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[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. Today is Sunday and OUR PLACE is closed but a small note thru the slot. Been doing a little catchup and learned quite a bit. There has been lots written about the big eastern roads but the recent posts have been informative and instructional. When I was driving long distance back in the mid 80s I was able to see some of the places I'd read about years earlier. We had a regular run to Worcester, Mass, every other week with Santa Fe Springs, CA, the off week. Explored the Boston, Hartford, and NYC areas to some extent. Came away with a feeling of what used to be. Never made it to New England, but have always wanted to. Upstate NY is quite pretty and steeped in history so always enjoyed there.
Tom, you mentioned the 1953 Scout outing. Are you aware that a few years ago, Classic Trains mag had a article about 1 Scout's experience on the journey to and from? Neat photos of bygone trains and especially Eunits.
Theodorebear, I for one have never overnighted on a train. Barely remember revenue service pass trains on the Frisco. Have good memories of the now gone Frisco Springfield station and some of the facilities, though. At the Midland, an ex UP pass car is setup for outoftowners to sleep in and have spent many a night in it, however. It is not in active service as it is connected to utilities to provide life's necessities. Always appreciate info on the cars that provided such a great form of travel for years. Sometimes I think I was born to late to experience things that captivate my interests.

[siberianmo]

G'day earlydiesels Dan

A welcomed Post indeed! But - no mention of the Pix that have been Posted today! [?] As you know, it IS Sunday Photo Posting Day! <geesh>

No, I didn't catch that article you referred to in that I'm a relative newcomer to Classic Trains magazine. Been a subscriber to Model Railroader since the mid-60s though. Anyway, I'll have to do a bit of research to see if I can find that article you mentioned. Would love to read it.

Traveling across the nation from NYC to Santa Ana (NYC-WashDC-St. Louis-KCity-Colorado Springs-Grand Canyon-Santa Fe-Santa Ana) then the Jamboree. Return trip, Santa Ana-San Francisco-Salt Lake City-Yellowstone-Chicago-NYC. We spent at least a half day in each of the places mentioned - sometimes a full day. Slept aboard the B&O coaches (seats folded flat to accommodate our sleeping bags. Was an absolute "blast" for a 15 year old on a 3 week dream trip. I earned the money for the Jamboree by working in my Scoutmaster's department store. The cost [?] $300 for the whole thing! He matched the amount for spending money - can you imagine that [?]

I think every generation feels a bit "left out" when stories of things in the past surface. But, the times we live in are the times we can make the best of. Someone once told me, "play the hand you are dealt." Makes sense.

Enjoy the day and continue with your recovery! Appreciate your taking the time to stop by ... [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[BudKarr]

Hello Captain Tom,

I noticed that things have been rather quiet around here as I have tried to catch up since may last visit.

Your Via Rail of Canada F40PH's look terrific. Judging by the dates of your photos, it appears you are taking them from journeys in Canada, rather than from "other" sources. Correct? Nicely done.

Mr. Rob, also enjoyed your photo and those from Mr. Ted in Florida.

I have been preparing a submission and will get it out either tomorrow or the next, providing my business does not send me away on short notice, as was the case last week. Captain Tom, your advice regarding preparing submissions on the word processor is a good one, for I have experienced a loss or two trying to accomplish it here on the forums. Far better to be safe than sorry.

BK

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Even though ”Our” Place is CLOSED on SUNDAY’s we do observe Sunday Photo Posting Day!! “These are a few <more> of my favorite things!” (all from personal rail trips)

Click to enlarge!

F40PH #6410 eastbound at Moncton, NB, Canada


F40PH #6401 eastbound at Moncton


F40PH #6402 westbound at Moncton


F40PH #6433 westbound at Moncton


F40PH #6419 inbound at Halifax, NS


F40PH #6418 inbound at Halifax


F40PH #6441 westbound at Moncton (previously pix’d at Jasper, AB)


F40PH #6405 westbound at Moncton


P42 #900 northbound at Ottawa, ON


That’s it – Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

REMINDER! Read the SUMMARY!

[siberianmo]

Just a word before checkin' out for the night ....... Perplexing! [tdn]

Thanx to BK at least someone responded to the Pix ........

Yes, the Pix of the F40PH's are from my VIA Rail trips.

Catch y'all tomorrow .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening again everybody. Slim pickin's for pictures this week but I have to say Tom nice shots. I'm not sure that i like the fact that VIA has had to resort to the body wraps. Though I know that teh advertising money is and will continue to be important for them going forward. Similar wraps appear from time to time on city buses all around Ontario and I'm sure the United States. I've noticed that the TTC has used similar wraps on their CLRV's and some of their subway caars as well. At least it helps aleviate fare raises. Though I can do with out the extra <barf> advertising. Nice shiots of the trains nontheless Tom some good memories for you I'm sure as well. [tup][:)]


Ted You owe me nothing. I'm just doing the good friend / neighbour thing for you. Your being happy about the ability to share the shots is thanks enough. [:)] BTW I'm waiting with baited breath your new pictures as well [tup]

Dan Glad to have you back again as well. A nice thoughtfull post as well [tup] Hope that you are feeling a bit better.

BK Nice to see you back. Thanks for enjoying the photo's.

Tom To answer your question. The Prairie car shot is an old old postcard of what was most likley a manufacturers shot. This is of second # 20 which was a replacement for the first 20 also a Preston Prairie that was lost in a carbarn fire. Old coal heaters in wooden cars made for bad combinations on more than one trolley or radial line. Electric heaters weren't very cheap to install or power efficient at the time. 10 years later and they had banned the coal or wood stoves to home use only .


I thought that since it is still Sunday officially that I'd add another shot or two. Not that tom or anyone else will mind the shots. I saw Pete poking around in hear a few minutes agio so hopefully his vacation was restfull and he will help heat up the conversation next week once he has caught up.











The first shot is one of the first Via F40's with advertising for our local Home hardware storechain. This is the Niagara falls bound train 94 comming through Bayview junction just outside of Hamilton. the second shot is the Toronto bound Via also at bayview, this time it's train 95 the return train from Niagara Falls . The last shot os train 79 comming into Brantford. enjoy. Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hi agian just poping back in with another "thot". I am still not a big liker or lover of the P42's. I much prefer the F40's or better yet, the FPA4's or FP7's and 9's in the old blue and yellow.


I should have paid more attention to the Via trains when I was growing up. I would have had some nice pictures of the blue and yellow F's and FPA's. but alas I just liked to watch them at the St Catharines station [sigh] my loss I suppose. I also missed photographing HH CN GP7's and 9's switching GM in St catharines on former NS&T street trackage as well oh well at least I have my memories of that street running and several train books with other peoples shots [tup] so alls not lost. [tup][:)]

As a humerous side note P42 911 is likely the most apptly numbered locomotive on VIA's roster. It's been involved in two accidents both requiring extensive rebuilding. It "hit" a piece of rail placed on the track by a couple of teenagers tearing open it's fuel tank and derailing the front truck only weeks after it's entery into service. Just after that rebuilding it hit a car at a grade crossing and required a major nose job. The crews and station agent in Brantford are always joking about it. There was even talk of renumbering it. Hasen't happened yet though. Have a good rest of your evening folks. Rob

[trolleyboy]

.Oh what the heck. since it's still the Sunday passenger train posting day[;)][:D]. I'm going to drop a couple more shots off on you kind patient people.[^]








The first shot is Go transits Hamilton train comming through bayview jct. On route to aldershot Burlington, Oakville and ultimatley toronto union. This train runs morning and evening rush hour only from TO all stops to the old TH&B station on Hunter street in Hamilton. The rest of the day only go buses operate btween Oakville and Hamilton, also using Hunter street. the second shot is the Go Milton line trainsets laid over at their homebase at Guelph JCT. The Milton line is the only Go line that operates exclusivly on CP rail with CP rail crews. the rest of Go transits trainsets operate on CN with CN crews. Enjoy Rob

[siberianmo]

MONDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning! A fresh start to a new week, so let’s get going …. Some freshly brewed “Joe,” a couple of pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery and perhaps a <light> breakfast! [yeah] [tup]

A special bit of positive thoughts to those in Florida in the path of Hurricane Wilma! [tup]

Info for the Day:

(1) Wednesday’s are for Pike Perspectives – aptly named by our Manager, Ted – and provide an opportunity for those engaged in the hobby of model railroading to provide some detail or discussion regarding their efforts. The idea began with Nick a few weeks ago and continued with my submission last week of the Can-Am vehicle inventory. Watch for it, but more importantly - CONTRIBUTE! [tup]

(2) repeat Halloween is purportedly the Birthday for our cloven footed friend, Boris. Who will step forward to coordinate the festivities [?]

INDEX Monday’s only!

Generic URL: Just insert the index page in place of “106,” copy ‘n paste ‘n “go,”

http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=106&TOPIC_ID=35270

-or- insert the index page in the address portion of this page (at the top).

Fallen Flags (passenger ops)

106 SP ..………. 106 MoPac ……. 108 WP ………… 109 Frisco
112 CNR ………. 112 Heralds …… 114 ACL ………… 115 SCL
116 D&RGW ….. 118 RI .………… 119 D&H ………… 120/144 PRR
122/144 NYC …. 124 UP.………… 125 AT&SF …….. 127 B&O
128 CM&StP.…. 129 CB&Q .……. 130 Soo Line ....... 133 C&NW
134 SP&S …….. 136 GN ………… 139 B&M ..……… 140 NYNH&H; NH
141 MEC ……… 142 BAR

Passenger Train Nostalgia

112 ………. CNR Ad - Super Continental Time Table
113/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #1 ”Start ups” 1800s & early 1900s
117/144 …. Passenger Train Nostalgia #2 Ad - Vista-Dome sleeper obs-lounge
121 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #3 Ad - CP Hotels & Lodges
124 ………. A tale of Classic Trains BC Rail RDC trip
127 ………. B&O Ad - Strata-Dome
127 ………. B&O Ad – Encor!
129 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #4 Ad - CN Hotels, Ltd.
130 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #1 Poster - East Coast Route
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #5 Poster - CP 1886
133 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #6 Poster - CP 1950s
134 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #7 Poster - Washington & Old Dominion Railway
134 ………. Personal RR journey CPR’s “The Canadian”
135 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #2 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Great Britain Nostalgia #3 London & Northwestern & Caledonian Railways
137 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #8 Ad – Great Northern
139 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #9 Ads – Great Northern
140 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #10 Ad – Union Pacific
141 ………. Nostalgia 1956 Hotel Ads
142 ………. Nostalgia Fairbanks-Morse motive power Ad
143 ………. Passenger Train Nostalgia #11 Ad - PRR – The Jeffersonian

Classic Juice by trolleyboy ROB

116 Classic Juice #1 (The London & Port Stanley L&PS)
123 Classic Juice #2 (The Niagara St. Chatharines Toronto Railway NS&T)
131 Classic Juice #3 (The Montreal & Southern Counties Railway –MS&C)
134 Classic Juice #4 (The Brantford and Hamilton B&H)
142 Classic Juice #5 (The Berlin & Water Street Railway - B&WSR)

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 06:01:58 (144)

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 08:09:33 (144) Sunday’s Info & Summary

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 09:25:59 (144) F40PH Pix

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 11:46:26 (144) reply to trolleyboy & Theodorebear, etc.

(5) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 12:46:54 (144) A Welcomed Post!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 13:13:15 (145) reply to earlydiesels

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 14:55:09 (145) He’s baaaaaack!

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 15:39:52 (145) F40PH Pix, Part II

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 21:40:54 (145) reply to BK, etc.

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 22:43:57 (145) Inclusive Post! Pix

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 23:06:56 (145) Pix

(12) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 23:22:04 (145) Pix

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Northern Pacific (NP) [

Headquarters: St. Paul, MN

Mileage in 1950: 6,682

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesels: 662

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 34,200
Passenger cars: 359

Principal routes in 1950:

Minneapolis/St. Paul-Fargo, ND-Butte, MT-Tacoma, WA
Logan-Helena-Garrison, MT
Portland, OR-Sumas, WA
Minneapolis/St. Paul-Duluth, MN
Staples, MN-Ashland, WI
Little Falls-International Falls, MN
Manitoba Junction-Crookston, MN-Winnipeg, MB
Wadena, MN-Leeds, ND

Passenger trains of note:

Alaskan (Minneapolis/St. Paul-Portland via Helena)
Mainstreeter (Chicago-Helena-Seattle & Portland)
North Coast Limited (Chicago-Butte-Seattle & Portland)

Of note: CB&Q handled passenger trains between Chicago and St. Paul. SP&S handled trains between Pasco and Portland.


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

"Well blow me down!" [Popeye cartoon character, late 1930's to present] Poseidon has been kind to the Tampa Bay area with only gusting winds (45 m.p.h.) and copius rain fall (2" @ hour). Tom and Rob, thanks for "saving the day" with your wonderful shots of VIA, GO, C.P., C.N. and neat vintage traction.[^] Dan, so glad you are winning your bout with the respitory gremlins.[tup] Hi BK, good of you to drop in again. I think just a hot, strong, black Java and a toasted Bagle should "take the edge off," thanks. Love the talk of those incredible pass./utility cars of yore, can't get enough![^] Oh Al, I'm another inquisitor on the term "annex?" Duh![:I]

Okay[tup], looks like we have a "firm date" for [C=:-)] Nick's excellent suggestion for Wednesday being Pike Perspectives day. For heaven's sake, don't be bashful about posting pix of your efforts. By now, we should all realize that the "Our" Place Crew are free from the malicious, smug, elitist Fops found on too many other Threads.[tdn] "Let it all hang out." As Nick so aptly put it: "warts and all!" Rob, in that regard, you should've received the discs long ago. I paid the extra postage "PVI" and it went out 10/13/05. It is now 11 days since posted, what gives? I'll check this "end" for delivery status. The serial #LV4433119662US is on the receipt, in case you need it. Also, I'll use e-mail for further information.

The other "firm date" is "a date that will live in infamy" (F.D. Roosevelt Dec. 1941). No, not war with Japan but Boris' Birthday.[alien] Since everyone else took one step backward except your's truly; looks like I'm "IT."[:O] Halloween falls on Monday (a week), so let us all "steel ourselves" to this social obligation.[bow] I haven't been apprized of whether Boris' immediate Family will be in attendance.[:-^] That "ball is in Nick's court." Let's "kill 2 birds with 1 stone." Members will come dressed "in costume" appropriate to the Occasion and Boris as himself.[8] See you between Noon and 7 p.m. on the 31st, your time zones respectively, more details pending. Gotta "hit it," a cold front is moving through now, thank the Eternal. Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Acknowledgement for Rob:

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 22:43:57

The first time I saw that F40PH with the Spiderman advertising I wanted to grab a can of paint …… Previously, on our first cross-Canada trips, one of the three F40PH’s was pained up in a Kool Aid ad! I looked into “why” once we returned home, and the obvious was the answer – a way to make some money AND attract the attention of the public for interest in traveling by train. I can understand the former, but seriously doubt that very many would give up their preferred modes of travel for VIA Rail simply based on a locomotive decorated up in some Gawd-Awful advertising. Just one man’s opinion. [swg]

Thanx for the elaboration on the Prairie car. “Controlled” fires aboard wooden vehicles somehow don’t always work out! [swg]

Those VIA Rail shots always look good. Thanx! [tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 23:06:56

I concur with you about the P40’s, et al. These “new” loco’s (AMD 103’s) all look to me as if they just came out of a cereal box, fold along dotted lines, cut here, push in tabs, etc. Really no “charm” in design. Nothing like the E-8’s, F3/7/9’s and of course the PA’s, etc. [yeah] [tup]

Interesting tid-bit on that #911 loco! [wow] Gotta watch out for that one ……. <grin>

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 23 Oct 2005, 23:22:04

Again, nice shots.

I could spend hours just looking at those locomotives sitting on those sidings! Five of ‘em – great pix!

Catch ya later – hopefully in the DAY LIGHT! [swg]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good Morning All: Coffee, please, round for the house, and $ for the jukebox. Well, we have our first snow of the season coming down this a.m. We will probably be getting some more tomorrow and then it's supposed to warm up.

Interesting posts and pictures in what I have been reading. I havea question; how did they move the cars from Kitchener to Regina? Load them on flatcars? earlydiesels - hope you will continue to improve. Interesting comments re "tunnel cars." The P Company had some of these cars that were used to handle theatrical sets for touring companies. IIRC, they were named for famous actors and, I think, some were named for opera singers.

The Jeffersonian cars were heavily promoted by the PRR as some have suggested. I wonder how folks were able to play pinball on a moving train. I have hard enough time on a nonmoving surface. This brought to mind something that the C&O did on the Chessie train back in the day. The cars had fi***anks with goldfish in them.. Fish didn't last long and the idea, like most of the train went into oblivion.

Yesterday I manged to get out on the C&O for awhile. It was an interesting afternoon's outing with a mix of classic and modern equipment. The New River trains were running. They're not the same as it when they were behind steam, but a 23 car tarin is nothing to ignore, either.

The consist was a pair of ATK engines and abt 12 ATK cars (mostly Horizon coaches). The good stuff was at the end including cars lettered for SP, NYC, ACL (in purple), an NP dome car in process of restoration, an N&W car lettered for the Powhatan Arrow, and New York Central 3, a finely restored HW open platform obs bringing up the rear. The "Cardinal" ran right after that meeting a WB MT coal train behind a pair of monstrous GE wide cabs.

Then we had a break followed by a couple of WB MT grain trains. First one had CSX/leased CFEX SD45/CN units for power; while the second had a pair of road weary SD40-2s in CSX. This also had a B&O grain car on it which had not been relettered (truly the catch of the day in the freight car dept.)

I also went over to Quinnimont and found a C&O snowplow and C&O caboose sitting there along with an ancient GE locomotive. I was able to get pictures of the engine, but the caboose and plow will have to wait until the vegetation gets knocked down some. I don't believe either of these items will be going anywahere in a hurry. Closed out the afternoon with the WB New River train.

Now, after many promptings form management, let us turn our attention to the Washington and Old Dominion. The January, 1930 Official Guide had two pages devoted to the W&OD including a full page map which made it look like THE major player in the east (I do enjoy looking advertising maps as they systematically exclude the comeptition).

The W&OD roughly paralleled the Potomac west from Alexandria to Bluemont. The B&O was to their north, and the Southern to their south. A branch line ran from Washington DC (actually Rosslyn, VA) to Bluemont Jct. and another branch from Thrifton to Great Falls.

There were 26 weekday trains between Rosslyn and Great Falls (13 each way) Distance was abt 14 miles and the travel time was about 42-45 minutes including 6 stops along the way. Ten trips operated between Alexandra and Rosslyn via Bluemont Jct. This was a 12 mile trip taking abt. 30 minutes (try and beat that time today!) Rosslyn to Bluemont was 52 miles taking roughly 2 1/4 hrs. including 19 stops.

Reading some of the fine print, the W&OD provided "passenger connections with railroads diverging." They also provided connections at Alexandria for passenger and freight service with the Southern Ry. Last they had connections at Pot Yard for freight service with the B&O, PRR, RF&P, and C&O.

Now for Tom: I found two advertising slogans for them which tied in with the boarding houses, etc. you posted awhile back. They touted Bluemont, VA as "The National Capital's Nearest Mountain Resort," and Great Falls, VA as the "Niagara of the South."

work safe

[siberianmo]

G’day!

Acknowledgements for Theodorebear & coalminer3:

Theodorebear Ted Posted: Today, 08:29:43

Hate to start the day off with a RULES VIOLATION! TWEEEEET, TWEEEEEET – Failure to greet the barkeep! Rule #1! [tdn] Boris Ring the bell – drinks on Ted [swg]

Glad to learn that you’ve been spared the wrath of Wilma. Can’t imagine what those in the paths of these storms over the last couple of years must be thinking – well, then – yes I can!

Sunday Photo Posting Day! wasn't any fun during the daylight hours ...... didn't appear we had anyone interested, aside from BK.

I’m going to put together my thoughts for the “Inner Circle” by Email in the next couple of days. Watch for it.

The responsibility of overseeing the Boris Birthday-Halloween Bash should rightfully go to the person who concocted the idea! If that indeed was our Manager, then so be it! [tup][tup][swg]

Mixed signals on Pix posting [?]

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 08:38:02

Two in succession! RULES VIOLATION! TWEEEEEET, TWEEEEEET – Failure to greet the barkeep! Rule #1! [tdn] Boris Ring the bell – drinks on CM3 What [?] Oh [yeah], he already bought a round, eh [?] Okay – just keep an “eye” on him. <grin>

Appreciate the expanded info on the W&OD. A friend of mine gave me a soft cover book of that railroad and it is indeed a captivating read. Never heard of it, but then again, there are scores of others out there to be explored ……. The book [?] Rails To The Blue Ridge – The Washington and Old Dominion Railroad 1847-1968 by Herbert H. Harwood, Jr.

Didn’t know about the gold fish aboard the trains. Now that’s okay if the tank had a top and the unit was otherwise protected from the vibrations and movement. I recall one time in my 8th floor office in Long Beach, CA during an earth quake (1987), three of my fish sloshed out and that was pretty much the “signal” that “things” were happenin’ Then a couple of sets of windows “popped out” crashing to the pavement below. That was the “Whittier Quake.” Nothing to do with trains – but thinking about the fish, being sloshed ‘round, brought it to memory. More about this at the Rendezvous in Toronto! Best told over a tankard or two ……. [swg]

We get to “know” the guys ‘round here through the information Posted. You, Sir, apparently have quite a “connection” with railroads and railroading. Perhaps one day you’ll enlighten us a bit with what it is. You can always send off an Email if you rather not “let it out” in the Ether. I’d surely like to know and my word is my bond – I respect privacy at all levels.

Appreciate the round and quarters! [tup]

Time for me to get about my day. As has been my practice, unless something unusual takes place – I’ll check back in about every 4 hours or so. Sure would be nice to be able to depend on whoever is “left” ‘round here to maintain a semblance of regularity with the Posts ………

Catch ya later1

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #12

Here’s something to ponder with regard to our appreciation and fascination with
Classic Trains. Check out this ad (from The Official Guide of the Railways – 1956)



Look what they’re saying about the Vista-Dome North Coast Limited!

”FOUR VISTA-DOMES . . . the view really is terrific on the Northern Pacific!”

“Pride of the Northwest . . . a train second to none!”

“One of the top trains in the country”

“A LOVELY STEWARDESS-NURSE . . . so kind to me and my children”

“Most friendly and courteous employees”

“Comfortable trip – delicious meals. Our compliments to the chef”

“THE TRAVELLER’S REST buffet-lounge . . . most unique car we’ve ever seen . . . captures the flavor and romance of the West”

”WON’T YOU BE MY GUEST?”
Now a friendly Stewardess-Nurse welcomes you aboard the Vista-Dome North Coast Limited. You’ll enjoy extra traveling pleasure at no extra cost – in fact, even low Family Fares apply! Heading East or West through the scenic Northwest, you’ll see for yourself why passengers call it . . .

. . . . . One of the world’s Extra Fine trains . . . . .

. . . . . For complete information, write
. . . . . G. W. RODINE, Passenger Traffic Manager . . . . .
. . . . . Northern Pacific Railway, St. Paul 1, Minn. . . . . .

CHICAGO – TWIN CITIES – SPOKANE – PORTLAND – TACOMA – SEATTLE


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

CHECK THE MONDAY SUMMARY and INDEX PAGES FOR MORE GREAT NOSTALGIA POSTS!

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Guess I'll start with a CR and a round for the house.
First will try to clear iup the continuing question about annex.
Im postwar Budd Company literature the postwar bathrooms that were in tiny little rooms attached to the Double Bedrooms, Compartments, and Drawing Rooms were referred to as annexes. It actually first apperared with the introduction of the CZ.

You hit a favorite fallen flag today with the Northern Pacific write up. From about age seven to ten we lived on a small hobby farm just east of Auburn and the NP mainline skirted the property in a cut at the rear of the pasture. Certainly stopped anything I was doing to watch the trains go by.

The NORTH COAST LIMITED beginning in 1954 became one of the premier passenger trains in the land. First in July Aygust came the new Vista Dome Coaches and the new Raymond Loewy two tone green paint scheme Two dome coaches were operated in every consist of the NCL. one a Chicago - Seattle car the other a Chicago - Portland car. Unlike other trains that carried more than one dome coach in their consists the NP put a flat top coach between theirs so passengers could better enjoy the passing scenery.
Between September and November 1954 new Vista Dome sleeping cars were added to the NCL again two per consist and a new flat top sleeping car was added between them to separate for better viewing from the domes.

Between July and October 1954 the NP introduced the Lewis & Clark travellers rest cars rebuilt from the older NCL Buffet Coaches.

In December 1957 - January 1948 new Budd built dining cars were added to the NCL the last new dining cars built before Amtrak.

And finally in December 1959 the NCL received Slumbercoaches one per consist. This was the only car in the consist not painted to match the other NCL cars two-Tone Green with white separation stripe. The Slumbercoaches remained in there stainless steel finish.
To the end the NCL was a fime streamliner indeed and the great Big Baked Idaho Potato was famous even if they were grown in Washington State in a NP owned farn outside Pasco Washington.

Will check in later needed an excuse to get away from the books.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 15:12:00

As with Saturday, if you hadn't shown up, I'd close up the place. Appreciate your "company," but save your money - no one's here to enjoy the round!

Those Fallen Flags and NOSTALGIA pieces take time to compile - I'd say about an hour for both. Taking a look at the INDEX of 'em, there's quite a few hours logged .... If this were being done in a business sense, I'd be out of it - business that is! [swg]

Glad that today's submission "did it" for ya. I always liked the herald of the NP, but that's about the extent of it for me. Never traveled that route as an adult. Funny, back in 1959 I was heading out to Seattle from NYC en route Kodiak, Alaska. I never thought for a moment about taking the train. Flew out non-stop on a DC8B prop job with Northwest Orient Airlilnes. What a flight .... story best reserved for the Rendezvous in Toronto!

Given your explanation of the term "annexes," it clarifies the situation - some. Surely couldn't use that term with the VIA Rail configuration in the Park Cars, double or triple (drawing room) configurations. Annex just doesn't "fit" the way they are layed out. Oh well ...... Thanx for trying to EDGE-U-MAH-KATE us! [swg]

Back to the NP, they did it right with the use of four domes in the consist! Now that's something to experience. On one of our cross-Canada trips there were three Skyline domes forward of the Park Car in a 22 car consist. Never experienced that many again on the other trips. Come to think of it, with all of the trips aboard the "Ocean," I can only recall having two Skyline cars on two occasions - those being during the summer months and quite a few years ago. As much as we like to extol the virtues of the domes - more times than not, they are rarely filled to seating capacity on the "Ocean." Even the "Canadian" - before the Rockies - has plenty of seats in 'em. For us, it's the only place to be!

Catch ya later and thanx again for being so supportive of this place! Means a lot. [tup] Have one on me!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon once again Tom . I sure hope business picks up soon as I have to get back to the books.

Just a little more about the Slumbercoaches on the NCL and later on the Mainstreeter. These cars were very heavy due to the number of sleeping car spaces provided. Travelled once from Billings back to Seattle on the NCL and the first class sleeping car space was full. So was told by the ticket agent that their was Slumbercoach space available and it was much cheaper. Although the room was smaller than a duplex roomette it still had a bed and toilet facilities as well as sink and water. Real compact but the car rode well, and it certainly was reasonable as I recall about 7 or 8 dollars over coach fare. The NP trainlined the Slumbercoach direct;ly beghind the two head end cars on the NCL the first a Water Baggage and the other an RPO Crew Dormitory car. The Slumbercoaches had 24 private single rooms and 8 double rooms for couples traveling together. My one trip on the Mainstreeter was after the first class sleeping cars had been removed and the lone sleeping accomodation was a single Slumbercoach and that served as crew dormitory space as well as for any passengers who wished sleeping space. As I recall the car was never more than half full. I never had a room over the trucks so guess they would have been noisy. This was generally true of any sleeping car the rooms over the trucks were noisier and rode rougher. The secret was to book early as the best rooms were booked first from the center of the car out. I think this was generally true of all roads. The real bargain in sleeping car space was on the GN Western Star as they sold space in their GLACIER series 16-Duplex Roomette 4-Double Bedroom cars in the final years at Slumbercoach rates.
The Budd built dining cars I mentioned earlier that were the last built prior to Amtrak still operate today on Amtrak about the last of the heritage cars still in service on Amtrak.
The water baggage cars were unique to the NP. These cars were equipped with water tanks at the forward end of the car to supply extra water to the diesels steam generators. The reason being just like in steam days the NP had a lot of bad water districts in eastern Montana and western North Dakota so they found this a suitable way of carrying the necessary boiler water to traverse these districts. It saved the railroad the trouble of hauling tank cars of water into these bad areas to supply boiler water for the steam generators.

[siberianmo]

G'day!

For: passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 18:03:22

You're not alone with hopes of increased activity 'round here. Let's see:

West Coast S Dave has simply disappeared ....
pwolfe Pete is on vacation ...
Trainnut484 Russell is tied up with school ...
earlydiesels Dan is recuperating ...
BudKarr BK has been irregular due to work ..
wrwatkins *** remains somewhat the enigma ...
CFournier Chris [?]
barndad Doug [?]
Gunns Kevin [?]

and Theodorebear Ted has had "Wilma" on his mind; trolleyboy Rob has been relegated to midnight and later Posts due to work schedule; and nickinwestwales Nick [?] So that pretty much is the run down.

Fortunately, between you and coalminer3 CM3 we've had some Monday thru Friday dialogue. The weekends have been difficult lately ........ Okay, 'nuf of that.

I'd like to know where the Heritage dining cars are still being operated and are any domes at all in use [?] Last Amtrak dome I rode in was between St. Louis and Chicago back in the mid-80's. The condition was rather poor insofar as the "glass" was concerned. Would have better luck trying to look through the solid sides of the car than through the "glass." [tdn] But, it was still a treat to sit up there.

Another request is for an explanation of the term "HEP," which I know means head end power, but I'm not sure why anyone needs to know that! A few years ago, VIA Rail stopped referring to their cars as Budd and began using the term "HEP." It was right around the time of their purchase of the "Renaissance" (Euro) cars. Anyway, several of us who travel with VIA Rail rather regularly, began to complain about the change of reference. While I can't claim "victory," VIA Rail dropped the "HEP" reference and now uses "Stainless steel cars." Almost as if they absolutely refuse to recognize the manufacturer of those wonderful cars. Shame on 'em. So the question remains, what's the "big deal" about referring to any car in that manner - "HEP" [?] I'd really like to know.

Appreciate your second visit of the day - and also your offer of a round - again, save your money!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Hello Tom Guess I have time for a quick CR and whatever you're having.

I agree with you about the HEP reference you mentioned and its a shame they don't give Budd their just due considering the cars are 50 years old and still going strong. Those stainless steel cars using the spot welding method just seem to last forever. I don't think yje Superliners will last anywhere near as long.

I don't know of any regularly scheduled trains in the US with dome cars any longer. Unless one counts the Alaska Railroad summer Denali.

I believe that Amtrak still operates the former NP Heritage diners in the NY - Florida trains.
Really have to get back to the books or else.

[siberianmo]

For:passengerfan Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 19:56:33

Looks like we're havin' a two-way conversation - and that's fine!

I read about the "innovativeness" involved with the welding technique in a couple of my books - very interesting and "leading edge" for the times. Now that all of these decades have passed on by - the "proof is in the pudding," so to speak. As you say, those cars are still going strong up in Canada. And I concur with you that the Superliners will not make it near as long ....... What are you aware of these days built to the standards of "back then" [?]

Thanx for all of the info and again, for the support to the bar! [tup]

See ya in the 'morrow!

THE BAR IS CLOSED!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all

A pint of John Harvard Harvest Spiced Ale as a tribute to the fine ales of New England please.[tup].

First TED I,m glad that you escaped the worst from Wilma and DAN is on the mend.

The bar has been busy while I,ve been away with Quite a New England flavor. It has taken a fair while to catch up but well worth the effort with some great photos,Fallen Flags and Nostalgia.It is marvellous how after a flag or nostalgia that one or two regulars can add addition info on consists and sometimes personal expriences [tup]

TED and NICK you have answered B.K. on the A.P.T. Really it was ahead of its time and the regulation at the time was, I believe, that it was not allowed to have a H.T. connecting busbar on top of the train( as in the French T.G,V.). This meant that the power car(s) were in the center of the train meaning that the catering etc had to be duplicated. The three trains were really six half sets.It didnt help that the date for the Press trip was the coldest day of the year and the brakes froze on after a stop, they had a field day.( some conventional trains had this problem on that day). For the media then,even more than now, it was ROADS GOOD RAILWAYS BAD. [V].

We were very lucky with the weather in the North East on our visit as they had heavy rain before and the forecast was for more this week they certainly dont need it as the rivers are at capacity. I wi***he best for them up there. We were based in Provedence R.I. and managed a trip to Boston on Amtrak(all the Amtrak trains I saw were running on time). Was this line the old NH line ?.In Boston we rode some Classic subway cars on the GREEN LINE also there was some fine looking electric? locos working for MBTA has anyone more info on these. I suspect CM3 or WEST COAST S may be able to help me.

ROB nice photos and classic juice. That bit on loco #911 was interesting. It is strange how some locos seem to be jinxed, there is a weird but true story about this in theU.K in the 80's. Perhaps it ought to be saved for OCT 31st or your wonderfully titled Story By The Fireplace.

TOM I,m a bit confused, is BORIS,S nuptials on or off will we get the licence will AWK be best man.

Good idea to have Wednesday as Model Railroad day although I havent got a layout myself I appriciate the effort that goes into them and many thanks for sharing through photos and descriptions. A round for all please. PETE.

[trolleyboy]

Good evening , I managed to pop back in a bit earlier tonight. I guess since Leon has the night off I'll do a quick inventory and clean up around the place.[sigh] Even Boris is slumbering blissfullyentwined with dolly for the evening.

CM3 Another fine bit of railroadianna [tup] thank you for your continued solid posts of information. Your guess is correct, the Witt cars were transported via flatcar to Regina from Waterloo. CP rail did the shipping though the first hour of the trip would have been under the wires of the Grand River Railway one of CP's two electric lines in southern Ontario.

Actually most new built streetcars and radials would have been shipped via flatcar from their manufacture point to their new homes. CP rail handled all of the Ottawa car Companies deliveries and all of Preston car and Coaches. Cn handled the Cancar deliveries from Montreal.two reasons for shipping this way #1 most of the rail lines in canada were not electrified. #2 alot of thee streetcar systems in the country were odd guage. some narrow or as in the TTC's case it was wider 4'107/8ths"

Our Museum has recieved several of our cars the same way via railway flatbed.Some where in the house I have a shot of MS&C 107 on the way to the museum in 1956.Lost in Mac yard in Toronto. CN was very late getting the car to us it had been routed to the wrong place initially. we did get the car safe and sound ... eventually. [swg]

Ted Nice to hear that you survived the big blow good news indeed,I am of coarse thinking happy thoughts for those who were not so lucky. as to the pictures they arrived today so I'll endeavour to get the first batch post ready for Sunday [tup]
Count me in to at least show up for Boris's ba***hough i don't think that Nick will have enough time to get the proper papers and vacinations to allow us to have Boris's real family along ( I hope ) [xx(]. I'm glad to see the wed layout bit is going to take route, i will add my [2c] to it if not this Wed next. [tup]

Tom Glad you liked the shots of the passenger trains[tup] That line up of Go in Milton was shot on a Sunday ( no Sat sun service on the Milton line ) Nice thing about Guelf jct is that off to the one side is the Go storage on the other side of the mainline is the Ontario Southlands shops and deisel storage as well as their freight yard.One can see tthe transfer trains from CP drop of cars to the OSR and do their pickuops as well. The OSR line in this area is all ex CP serving Guelph and a couple of the smaller surrounding towns.


Controlled fires in wood cars were a thing of fear and loathing.To top it all off the conductor had to keep the fire stocked,sell tickets,collect fares,and give out transfers. While shivering as the coal stoves generally only warmed the front hailf ( if you were luckey of the car ) It got to the point that to keep the back half customers warm the rail companies would spread straw over the wood slate flooring to at least keep feet dry therfore warm. Hows that for a recipe for disater ! Yet the only fires tended to happen in the barns thus destroying valuble cars and equipment.

My take on your HEP question is that the name changed about the same time the cars were rebuilt from their steam heat format to HEP heat and power. Via dumped all the boiler equiped equiopment and locomotives in the early 80's near as I can figure.


A question for you Tom though re the NP nostalgia bit. Hostess/Nurse? Must be a story there. Inquiring trolleyboy's want to know?[swg]

Al what can I say simply awesome is your font of passenger information [bow] . To add my [2c] to the NP disscussion. Would be that Lowey's paint scheme certainly pput the NP passenger trains on the map. Likewise his wounderfull treatment of Clevelands street railway as well. He used his magic to create a to die for Creame and pale green paint job for the Witts and other older nearside type cars in Cleveland.[tup] Perhaps some of you remeber the CSR paint job I refer to [?]

Well folks I think I'm now caught up and up to speed. I'll talk at you all tomorrow.

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Hey Pete's back!!!!!! Horrayyyy!!! It suddenly seems a bit more normal around here then of coarse one see's Boris [alien]

pete Unfortunatly the nuptuals are off. however on the 31st you can regail us with your scary train storuies of jinxed crews and trains while helping boris cut his birthday goulash! [:O][xx(] I have ordered some carpathian delicasies for the event. Mind you you may not wi***o acctually partake in them. I've left Nick the directions that came with them and his Mom's ( Boris's ) goulash recipe. I'm thinking a recipe for disaster [xx(]

Hope you had a wonderfull time on your trip sound like alot of train trips were had that's wonderfull. Pictures to follow next Sunday maybe [?] See you tomorrow.


Rob

[siberianmo]

TUESDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning! Coffee’s hot – pastries fresh - <light> breakfasts ready! So, whatillyahave [?]

Info for the Day:

(1) Wednesday is Pike Perspectives Day! Narratives and track diagrams welcome!

(2) Thursday is Fish ‘n Chips Nite along with Nick’s Picks!

(3) Friday is Pizza Nite as well as Steak ‘n Fries Nite!

SUMMARY

INDEX Monday’s only!

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 07:11:27 (145) Monday’s Info & Summary

(2) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 07:15:29 (145) Fallen Flag NP

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 08:29:43 (145) Inclusive Post!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 08:34:55 (145) reply to trolleyboy

(5) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 08:38:02 (145) Informative Post!

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 09:24:40 (145) reply to Theodorebear & coalminer3

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 12:59:19 (145) NOSTALGIA #12 Ad NP

(8) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 15:12:00 (145) NP

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 16:59:31 (145) reply to passengerfan, etc.

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 18:03:22 (145) NP, etc.

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 18:48:23 (145) reply to passengerfan, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 21:16:15 (145)

(13) pwolfe Pete Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 22:14:42 (146) He’s baaaaaaack!

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 22:41:18 (146) Inclusive Post!

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 22:50:51 (146)

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That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Louisville & Nashville (L&N)

Headquarters: Louisville, KY

Mileage in 1950: 4,779

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 732

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 59,077
Passenger cars: 483

Principal lines in 1950:

Cincinnati-New Orleans via Louisville, Nashville, Lewisborg, TN & Birmingham
Nashville-St. Louis via Evansville, IN
Louisville-Evansville
Memphis Junction, KY (Bowling Green)-Memphis
Cincinnati-Atlanta via Knoxville, TN & Cartersville, GA
Flomaton, AL-Chattahoochie, FL
Anchorage-Hazard, KY via Lexington
Corbin-Baxter, KY
Lebanon Junction-Sinks, KY

Passenger trains of note:

Azalean (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and Atlanta & West Point.
Crescent (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP.
Dixie Flagler (Chicago-Miami via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixie Flyer (Chicago-Florida via Evansville, Nashville & Atlanta)
Dixieland (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)
Flamingo (Cincinnati-Jacksonville via Corbin, KY)
Georgian (Chicago & St. Louis-Atlanta)
Gulf Wind (New Orleans-Jacksonville; joint with ACL)
Humming Bird (Chicago & St. Louis & Cincinnati-New Orleans & Memphis; joi8nt with Chicago & Eastern Illinois)
Pan-American (Cincinnati-Memphis & New Orleans)
Piedmont Limited (New York-New Orleans via Montgomery; joint with PRR, SR and A&WP)
Southland (Detroit-Florida via Louisville & Corbin)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami via Louisville, Nashville & Montgomery)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!

Yesterday's Posts contained info on the Northern Pacific, certainly hope that everyone has taken the opportunity to view them. These Fallen Flags and NOSTALGIA Posts are for YOUR enjoyment ........

Acknowledgements for pwolfe Pete & trolleyboy Rob:

pwolfe Pete Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 22:14:42

[#welcome] Back! [tup] Always good to see you ‘round here and perhaps now we can get back to a semblance of regularity with the Posts.

Glad to learn that you and your bride enjoyed your get away to New England. I used to live up thataway – 8 years total; 3 in Connecticut (Norwich) and 5 in Massachusetts (Boston area). Very expensive on the salary I was drawing at the time, but some wonderful things to do ‘n see. Family enjoyed it, especially the winters! [yeah] And yes – that rail right-of-way you traveled on aboard Amtrak in all likelihood was the former New Haven’s.

It always gratifies me to read that someone who has been away takes the time to catch up, rather than simply “jump in” as if everything Posted in between doesn’t “count.” You, Sir, are a valued customer! [tup] Have one on me! [swg] Oh [yeah], don’t know how you got in, for the bar was closed early last night! Leon had the night off and Boris should know better, but then again …. [swg]

Speaking of our cloven-footed friend, the wedding is OFF. This idea really never got off the ground, as the Can-Am County Attorney General got into the legality; Manager Ted found the idea reprehensible; I was similarly inclined and it just spiraled downward. The Oooooompah Gals[?] Well, my guess is they are arm wrestling their way across the “Euro Continent,” pickin’ up conquests as they go …… [swg]

Hope you are able to find a “slot” for Posting and then settle back in to the routine. [tup]

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 24 Oct 2005, 22:41:18

I was going to Tweeeeeet you for a Rule #1 violation, but the bar was closed! You escaped – this time! We’ve just got to figure out a way to spring you loose during daylight. Pretty soon you’ll be wearing a black cape, growing rather long canine teeth, and speaking with a Transylvanian accent. “I vant to haf a beeeeeeeeeer!” [swg]

Regarding the “HEP” reference by VIA Rail: Nope, VIA pretty much began with that right ‘round the time of the entry of the “Renaissance (Euro)” cars. Prior to that they simply referred to them as “stainless steel cars.” Then the “HEP” usage came in for a couple of years, and now they are back to “stainless steel cars.” The reference always appeared to me to be absolutely out of line for the purposes of the traveling public. Who gives a Rat’s Patoot regarding that terminology when it comes to DESCRIBING the cars in the consist [?] They blew it – they knew it – they change it. I’d like to think that some of us who wrote letters helped the process along. Idiots!

If one is observant, there are so many “issues” out there regarding incorrect or inappropriate terminology as applied to various modes of travel. I recall one time that an airline employee kept referring to a Lockheed L1011 as a “prop jet.” Man, that was so far from the truth, but she simply was “scripting,” and apparently hers was way off. Idiots!

Then there was a news reporter interviewing me regarding a significant operation we had just concluded. “Coast Guard boats and their officers ……..” My blood boiled and I corrected her on the spot. Boats are carried aboard ships that we refer to as Cutters, and all of our crews are not officers! When the news came on that night, it began with, “Coast Guard boats and their officers ……” Idiots!

The idea of a “Hostess/Nurse” is really no different than having someone designated as a “Tour Director” or whatever other title would be appropriate for the type of journey undertaken. There was a time when long distance trains carried medical personnel – it was a “given.” Somewhere in the archives of “rules ‘n regulations,” I’m sure someone can find the “edict” to base the practice on. Using the term “Nurse” provided a bit of comfort to those who wondered about things like that – you know, “what happens if …..”

Although I never encountered one – especially when I came down with the “Cruise Ship Virus” (Norwalk Virus) in 2003 en route Toronto aboard the “Canadian,” – supposedly VIA Rail had a similar practice – but didn’t advertise it. In my experience, no one of competency visited me during the time I was down ‘n out. But that was previously chronicled on this thread – no need to rehash it again. So, you surely can see the merit behind the idea, especially for the long distance runs. Far too expensive these days (daze) would be my guess.

Appreciated your Inclusive Post as always! [tup][tup]

Time for me to get about my day. As has been my recent practice, unless something unusual takes place – I’ll check back in about every 4 hours or so.

Catch ya later!

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]

[Anonymous]

Hi Tom and all those present in the "breakfast bunch." Just a Kaiser Roll, butter and a Juan Valdez for the moment please. Welcome back Pete, it sounds as though your New England sojourn was a rousing success. Thanks for the added comments on the A.P.T., very enlightening.[tup] Sorry, no help for info on the Providence-Boston equipment now in use but I'm sure your questions will be answered anon. I know you will have more to say on the rail movements, dining, etc. from your vacation. We all certainly appreciate your sage comments and narrative style. Again, welcome home.

Rob, please ignore my last e-mail, in re, tracer for snail mail. Great gobbules of Gander's Goose glop! What mode of transport is the Royal Canadian Mail employing these days? I could've hand carried the parcel faster in 12 days time. I hope you find something of interest on the discs. The B & O Diesel A unit is a Hobbytown EMD E-7 and the 4-6-2 Pacific steam loco is a vintage Varney deluxe kit. They weigh a ton but can pull the ties from the roadbed with those old open frame Pittman DC-90 motors. Again, these efforts are my earliest and many improvements were and are being made. Thanks again Rob.

Tom, the L & N and N.P. are surely welcome "keepers" among the Fallen Flags series you have generously made available to us. Never imagine that your extra efforts are under appreciated, never happen! The N.P. green-on-green has long been my favorite of the Western roads. Sorry to say that my knowledge of the L & N is some where between limited to ZIP. I only recall very long mainline freight consists running "smack" through Main streets in small hamlets and towns throughout the "Old South." Once, I found myself "on the wrong side of the tracks" after indulging in a B.B.Q. feast of glutinous proportions, only to be blocked (by a 50 car freight) from my hotel on the opposite side of "Main St." It was an event with nearly catastrophic results.[V] 'Nuff said![xx(] The N.P. is a different story and in a later Post I will "do my bit" to contribute some background on this fine R.R.

So, I need to take advantage of this great Fall weather we now enjoy.[tup] More of my time will be spent outside and in the garage for improving on the layouts (in progress). Somehow, I can't get a lot accomplished in front of the old C.R.T. and P.C. board. Hopefully, everyone will attend our Speciman's Custodian's day of nativity, Oct. 31st.[alien] Costumes are encouraged for all but not mandatory. I'm coming as a "door post" so as to keep consistant with the interest created by my ramblings herein. So long for now and happy rails to all.

[Trainnut484]

Good morning Tom and everyone. I'll have a strong cup of java and a danish from the Mentor bakery.

Sorry if I haven't posted in a while. I've been busy with finals and a couple of modeling projects, and those I'm not quite finished. New semester begins for me on Nov 1st, so my spare time is limited. The 18th annual Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society's mini meet here in Kansas City this past weekend was a huge success. Harry Briscoe, a retired Santa Fe official, spoke about his time on the railroad, and autographed copies of his new book "Watching the Trains Go By". We had other great presentations as well.

Okay, I've caught up with some past posts, but may have to reply in more posts.

Ted, thank goodness you survived Wilma. My thoughts were with you yesterday when it hit. Hopefully your house and other property escaped the wrath without too much damage. I'm still appalled at the people in Cancun who thought they could wait through the storm. They complained of poor sanitary conditions after the fact. What did they expect?[:(!] They had the chance to get out of there before Wilma came.

Tom, thanks for the info on the L&N, GN, and BAR. I thought about posting a pic of an ex-BAR locomotive (still in BAR paint) I took a few weekends ago, but some certain people think copying pics is the way to go. It hasn't bothered me until now. I frown [:(!] on that sort of thing, especially if the object is still around and readily available for pictures. That's why I didn't participate in this Sunday's Photo Posting Day. If those in interest would like to see the BAR pic, I can post it, but it will be modified to discourage copying. Future Sunday Photo pics will be modified too.

Pete, nice to have you back. I hope you and the Mrs. had a great time on your New England trip. I look forward to hearing the tales of your trip.

Dan, it's great to hear that you're on the healing track. I know the folks at the Midland miss having you around. It wasn't quite normal without you here too.

Rob, thanks for the insightful posts on VIA. Great pics Sunday too [:)]

Coalminer3, were the C&O snowplow and caboose in their own colors? I've always had a liking for C&O's colorful scheme with the kitten logo.

Gee, Boris's[alien] wedding is off?? That's about as close to a Hollywood wedding you can get without the nuptials.

Gotta catch my breath for now, another cup of coffee please

Russell

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Well the unusual has occurred - the return of Trainnut484 Russell and the daily "blurb" from Manager Ted. No point in waiting 'til noon-i***o respond ....... [swg]

Theodorebear Ted Posted: Today, 08:43:48

Had wondered whether you were in a power failure situation - but then I checked out your local newspapers (via Yahoo) and didn't see anything to indicate that had happened. Anyway .... relieved to kow that all's well.

It's always gratifying to know that one's efforts are in fact being read - just takes a bit of time - sometimes - for the feedback. Then there's the continuing "mystery" of Posting without having the access to the most recent info. For example, for whatever the reason, one may call up the Forum screen, get to our Thread, but not see the Posts for perhaps the past hour or more. That is strange, indeed. Happened yesterday - twice - as no one picked up on the Fallen Flag NP until much later in the day. 'Tis a puzzlement! (Yule Brenner, The King & I).

Costume for the Boris Bash-Halloween Party [?] I think I'll dress out as an aging sailor, with a parrot on my shoulder, an eye patch, a growth of beard and a hook for a "port" hand. [yeah] Matey, that'll do 'er ........ Arggggggh! [oX)]

I can relate to being on the wrong side of long passing freights! Never encounted them as often as when I first arrived out in these parts back in 1977 - especially over on the "east side" in Illinois (Granite City in particular). Unbelievable numbers of 'em. Was following a person "home" and .......... well, better told at the Rendezvous in Toronto! [swg]

Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 25 Oct 2005, 09:12:18

He lives! [#welcome] Back! [tup] What IS it with this school that you are attending [?] We're kinda readin' between the lines with this. [swg] Hey, I began my freshman year at the University of Missouri-St. Louis at the "tender" age of 50, so why not![?] [yeah] I finished in 4 years and it was a blast. Far easier than going to work every day - but the "kids" didn't think so. [swg] A story best told at the Rendezvous in Toronto!

Nice inclusive catch-up Post, Russell! [tup]

I understand your feelings about pix on the net - but that's just a part of the unintended consequences of this technology. We'd all like to believe that the particpants will do the "right thing." HA - take a stroll through life, m'boy, that ain't reality. How many people "blow off" Stop Signs [?] How many speed [?] How many simply take advantage of virtually anyone and anything they can [?] Sad commentary, I know, but that's what I see on a daily basis and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. [tdn]

Regarding our Sunday Photo Posting Day! activities, I suppose one should not Post anything that one feels is "proprietary" in any way. Once in the Ether, it's out there for one and all .......

I will be putting together an Email for you and the boyz who live in the mid-west. Thinking of organizing a Rendezvous for us. Details as they develop, but by Email. Watch for it in a week or so .........

Appreciate the comments regarding the Fallen Flags. Those and the NOSTALGIA pieces are listed in the Summary for Monday should you wi***o look up some you've missed out on.

Catch y'all later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]