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Posted by siberianmo on Friday, April 21, 2006 5:23 AM

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We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Friday, time to begin the end of the week with pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, perhaps an order from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast, and of course a least one mug of our freshly brewed coffee![tup]


Daily Wisdom

You cain’t never tell which way a pickle will squirt.


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Western Pacific (WP) arrives next Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Pizza Nite & Steak Nite!
Saturday: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
ENCORE! Saturday


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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] Busload of politicians was driving down a country road, when suddenly the bus ran off the road and crashed into an old farmer's barn.
The old farmer got off his tractor and went to investigate. Soon he dug a hole and buried the politicians. A few days later, the local sheriff came out, saw the crashed bus and apsked the old farmer where all the politicians had gone.
The old farmer told him he had buried them.
The sheriff asked the old farmer, "Lordy, they were ALL dead?"
The old farmer said, "Well, some of them said they weren't, but you know how them crooked politicians lie." [:I]


[:I] The LAPD, The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and has each of them try to catch it. The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist. Then the FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and they make no apologies. The rabbit had it coming. Finally, the LAPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten raccoon. The raccoon is yelling: "Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!" [:I]


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 16th thru 22nd: The Molly Macquires (1970) starring: Sean Connery, Richard Harris & Samantha Eggers – and – It Happened to Jane (1959) starring: Doris Day, Jack Lemmon & Ernie Kovacs. SHORT: Punch Drunks (1934).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:[/teal

. . . Sunday, April 23rd thru Apr 29th: Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) starring: Paul Newman, Robert Redford & Kathy Ross –and- The Sting (1973) starring: Paul Newman, Robert Redford & Robert Shaw. [teal]SHORT: Men In Black (1934).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 05:17:43 (309) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 05:32:53 (310) Barnyard talk, RR History in Photos & joke

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 06:49:41 (310) Streamlined parlor cars of the NYNH&H, etc.

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 08:30:14 (310) Inclusive Post & On-Point Commentary

(5) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 08:35:55 (310) Inclusive Post in Bear Style

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 09:44:10 (310) Acknowledgments & Comments

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 12:43:22 (310) [navy]Nostalgia #85 – PRR Ad (1952)[/navy[

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 14:44:52 (310) Lars Report!

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 16:07:05 (310) Wolfman Howls – pix, etc.

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 18:28:22 (310) Acknowledgments, etc.

(11) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 19:08:27 (310) Nick at Nite!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 19:55:06 (310) reply to Nick

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 23:09:20 (310) Inclusive Post, etc.

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 23:42:40 (310) Classic Steam #23 – AER




That’s it! [tup][;)]


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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:42 PM
Well folks here's another small and "esoteric" line for you all to ponder.

CLASSIC STEAM #23 THE ALGOMA EASTERN RAILWAY

This line was a mining line built to Sudbury, the nickles and copper minning capitol of Ontario. sudbury today is a bustling city on the Canadian Sheild,it owes it's prosperity to the mines and the railways built to them. A century ago, a prospector discovered copper ( at hot hot commodity at the time )and another unknown mineral in the woods near the small railway jct named Sudbury.He could never have realized that his discovery would turn this small whistle stop into a bustling mining town.

This unknown mineral was of coarse nickel,though not a chic jewlery material it was soon to become a vital industrial mineral. The copper viens drew in the mining companies to the area , but the nickel kept them there ( and still does ). Discoveries of nickel were found all around Sudbury in the woods an mine headframes soon popped up everywhere.

Francis Clergue,the dicoverer of the deposits at Wawa and the evntual builder of the Algoma Central Railway, knew a promissingrailway route when he saw one. To tap the new mines in Sudbury he started to build the Algoma Eastern RY ( AER ). In 1900 he took over the defunct charter of the Manitoulan and North Shore Railway ( MNSR ) a route originally proposed to link Manitoulan Island and Sudbury and then establish ferry service to Tobermory on the Bruce penninsula. It joined the CPR in downtown Sudbury which was a line finished twenty years earlier as the CPR's first mainline to Sault Ste Marie. The AER shared it's station with the Canadian Northern. Its yards were in Little Britain a small residential community northwest of Sudbury ( now part of )

West of town the line ran through the woods to the minning frontier sites of Clarabelle, Creighton,Gertrude,O'Donnell,Crean,Victoria, and Worthington.All were small mining centres along the AER each was a community of tough miners and their families. Beyond the mines the line served and area of samll bush farms and some pockets of lumber mills and pulp plants.Espanola was a main logging area served by the AER. From Espanola the line then veered south through the tough shield mountains to the flat limestone plain of Manitoulan island were the lines terminus was located at little Current.

With all the mines and mills in full production the AER was one of Ontario's most promissing railroads. It was one of the few to escape the formation of the CNR when it was created in 1918 to run all the defunct systems found in the country at the end of the First World War.In 1924 Clergues charter for the MNSR / AER had lapsed and the CPR looked longinly at his money making railroad. Atv the time the CPR usually got what it wanted, so in 1930 the AER belonged to them having been leased for a period of 999 years. Less than six years later however the CPR got the axe out and started pruning this new aquisition. By 1960 the portion between Espinola and Creighton was abanndoned, this wasn't a suprise as the CPR's original mainline ran parallel to the AER from Sudbury all the way to McKerrow. The rest of the lines still intacked some still the CPR mainline west, the rest is now part of the Huron Central regional railroad,still making money today.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 20, 2006 11:09 PM
A Hearty good evening Leon, I think a Keith's and though I've never tried it a platter of the plaice please ( just don't tell me it tastes like chicken )[;)][:o)]

Tom I'm glad to see that you are putting the "throne" to use[;)] it's gratifing to know that you can pop round to the recreational side of the bar now in then.Nice little pennsy ad perfect for a quiet day at our favourite watering hole[^]

Al Ah the Newhaven seems like iot has stirred up some fond memories from the folks here at the bar,glad to see you getting back into the swing of things here as it were,good timing with Doug's treasure troves of info packed away at the moment.

Doug Glad you liked the OA&PS it is an esoteric line ( because it doesn't ruin through the centre of the universe Toronto ![}:)][:D][;)] ) Interesting shot from that magazine,amazing how even back then human kind is drawn to destruction.

Pete I liked those pictures sir, I've only been to Boston twice but it's amazing how the pictures bring back the remeberances of the trips.The little that's left railroad buildingwise of that line is still impressive. When you are in the Park you still see evidence of the foundations and the odd bit of machinery from some of the mills etc. Mostly grown over with new growth trees.The roadbed where it still exists is still in good sahpe as they maintain it as a hikeing and snowmobiling trail. In the town of Mattawa you can see the foundations of tthe roundhouse. It came down only 3 or 4 yeasr ago (****n ) being that it was outside of the Park the building was not raised. It's a parking lot at the moment.

CM3 Hockey can be a trifle infuriating my team had 90 pouints an didn't make the playoffs, I noticed that the coaches got the ole axe today as well.Guess I'll root for the senators now till they dissapear from tthe playoffs.Glad you enjoyed the OA&PS piece as well.

Lars Thanks for the email, a return message is somewhere between here and there !

Ted Yes those Boston PCC's look almost new,in fact I think they look better than the originals when they were first delivered. It's just amazing the skill level of some of the modellers out there. can you smell the carbon and ozone from the TTC's CLRV's yet[?]

Nick I can't think of any suitably seedy bars around here for you to play at. However if you don;'t mind hard floors to sleep on your welcome at our place anytime. You'll even have a live furry pillow that will likley purr you to sleep as well[:D][swg]


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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:55 PM
Yo Nick![C=:-)]

Four transmissions received - all Pix look to be ready for downloading - uploading ' downloading again![swg] Many THANX for getting them to me with some slack time - helps alot![tup]

Unsure what it is that you are doing mixing cement, but I'll take "Honey Do" any day, if given a choice!<groan>

Go easy in the kitchen, Chief Chef [C=:-)] as we've really "turned a page" 'round the bar given that hardly anyone seems to follow the food service days Posted in the Daily Summaries! Not reading, you see, is becoming an "issue" with some of the guys and it has shown to be quite embarassing form time to time . . .

Ogen, Utah[?] Now that's a fer piece from West Wales and I'm unaware of any steel rails linking the two![swg] I suppose we could "pool our resources" amongst those going to the Rendezvous in Toronto and perhaps come up with some cold, hard cash for you and the Hoochie Coochie band - but I seriously doubt that it would be sufficient to pay the bar bill![swg]

Getting back to the Pix, if you have a preference regarding which should be Posted first, please let me know. Otherwise I'll put them into "sets" and spread 'em out over three Sundays. Really appreciate your coming through for our Sunday Photo Posting Day!

Things are quiet enough that I'll drag my "spiffy" stool (that Count Robulla ordered for me) around the other side of the bar and enjoy a LaBatt's Blue with ya![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]





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Posted by nickinwestwales on Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:08 PM
What Ho chaps,just back from band practice (another constant ) so a touch hyper still-Good to start touching base with normal grounded people again.
Right,[4:-)][oX)]TOM,Is it to be beers all round with fish & chips or shall we run out the vintage French vino and cook up some sauces ?
Still in a mild state of limbo as I havn`t had time to flick back through the last few days contributions ( today was `Honey Do` in the garden day-it`s less tiring mixing concrete all day ) so......
Have had an offer to take the Hoochie Coochie band to play at Mojo`s Blues Bar in Ogden,Utah-totally implausible on the face of it,but then I had a thought--If any of you guys know of a venue (no matter how sleazy) near you that puts on bands (cash in hand,no questions asked ) please let me know -perhaps we could put together a tour-It would be a delightful way to get to meet all you good people and would allow me to justify the trip to Missisnick by coming home with more money than I went out with.

O.K, enough from fantasy island already,I`m away to the galley to knock up some of that extra-crispy beer batter for the fish,looks like we have Cod,Plaice & Halibut tonight-also burgers,pies,chicken quarters and real Scampi--break out the malt vinegar,lets have a traditional fish supper night.

Getting close to moonlight mile time so better dive into a different bit of the machine and get pix sent,see you all soon,nick [C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:28 PM
G'day!

As many of you already realize, I maintain a running tally of the Daily Summary, thereby making it easier to get it Posted first thing in the AM. In reviewing it thus far, I see that over 6 hours elapsed between customer Posts. That's rather grim for a Thread that prides itself on interaction and the like. Sure seems like the guys have abandoned ship for late morning and afternoon visits.

Having said that, it IS gratifying to acknowledge two of our "mainstays," Lars 'n Pete! As with the "brick 'n mortar" variety of bars 'n grills, this one cannot survive without steady customers - and you two are steady. Much appreciated![tup][tup][tup]

Pete Yoiu made reference to the term, "Cooties" the other day in response to the B'day Bash Quiz question. When I was an adolescent, that term applied to girls and the fictitious "bugs" they had. It was said that "Cooties" inhabited the female, especially if one wanted to get a "rise" out of one![swg] Perhaps there are other definitions, but thta's the one I can relate to. Sorry it took so long to respond. By the by, I believe you are the ONLY one to have actually looked up the answers on "my other thread!" Congrats! Just goes to show who reads . . .

Lars Don't feel bad, sailor man. Even the best of us have days where we'd rather just sit and listen rather than engage. This place has all kinds of things to do - and browsing through the pages 'n pages of great information sometimes is much more gratifying than trying to play catch up with responses.

Pete The Pennsy Broadway Limited ran from NYC to PHiladelphia to Chicago and I believe Amtrak's version of it ended in Chicago as well. Amtrask terminated the run in 1995. No stops in North Dakota - perhaps you are thinking of the Empire Builder.

Interesting PIx from your New England trip, Pete - thanx! [tup]

REMINDER! Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central!)

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Posted by pwolfe on Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:07 PM



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Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams and some Fish 'n' Chips for later now Nick is back.

I know today is not photo day but these are just in from the developers and they tie in with Tuesday's B&M day. They show the bridge just outside Boston North station as described by CM3 taken last October late in the day but before I went to the Boston Beer Works pub nearby[:-^].

A busy evening and morning at the bar[tup].

Thanks for part two of the Hudson model and at there is light at the end of the tunnel in regard to the neighbors. I take it loco Whittemore was built in Manchester USA not Manchester England.?
Its a shame some are saying that the musical joke fell a liitle flat
Toms repeat[C):-)] joke made me[:)] again.

Those were the days ROB when one man was mainly the force behind building a railway, loved the part where the locals wanted too much money for land so he built the harbour in another place. At least some of the lines structures remain as part of a trail not like many old trackbeds in the UK where it is impossible to Know they once existed.

Good to see you back AL on good form with the NY NH&H streamlined cars. Doesn,t Parlour Drawing Room description of a car give a sense of style.

TED l will look out for the book great to see you in again. My mate is back and is going to give me some details of the photos there are some of the smaller railways locos to come.

NICK Look forward to the V of R photos. Glad the weather brightened for your trip , the last time I was on the line it was owned by BR. The scenery is grand as you say from one side of the train. Do they still have the carriages that have the seat running lengthwise facing the valley. [?].
I do hope that they can get one of the other steam engines running or #9 can keep going
there is a great deal of disappointment specially with youngsters when they are expecting a steamer and they get a diesel when perhaps they have travelled many miles to the railway( its different if they know it will be a diesel before hand), also there are other steam NG railways nearby.

LARS Your so right about how rapidly things seem to change on the railroads although it was in the 60s for us [:(].

TOM Thanks for the Pennsy ad. On a link to Rugby ND I though it said that Amtraks Broadway Limited was stopping or was that just the call at RugbyND[?].

[oops] Got to do a errand for the bride hope to be back later. PETE.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:44 PM
Hello Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


I don’t know why, but I keep thinking today is Friday! Strange how the mind works when one is retired . . . [%-)] Well, at least I don’t have to be concerned about my “bookend” beating me through the door – they should be en route to wherever it is they plan to spend the weekend.

I think a cold beer should do me fine today – make it a Piels – thanks! Here’s a ten spot for the “Lars Box.”

Like that Pennsy Broadway Limited advertisement! You and I were just kids when that train was in it’s prime. Then along came the 50s, and times began to change so rapidly that before we knew it – gone, gone, gone in a decade to come. Sad, huh[?]

Enjoyed the posts from the quartet of Rob - Doug – CMShane3 & Ted. Always of interest and always inclusive![tup]

Sounds like Nick had himself quite the long holiday weekend, huh[?] From riding trains to sleeping on stone floors – I mean, what more can a guy ask for[?][swg]

Don’t know what it is – but I’m just about talked out![swg] Enjoy it while you can!<grin.>

Got your email, Rob and sent off a response.[tup]


Barkeep – one more, please!


Until the next time!

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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:43 PM
G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #85


Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) in a 1952 advertisement from my private collection:




BROADWAY LIMITED

NOW CELEBRATING ITS GOLDEN ANNIVERSARY

On June 15, 1902, Pennsylvania Railroad introduced a train between New York-Philadelphia and Chicago – the finest of its day! Now on its golden anniversary, the magnificent all-private room Broadway Limited still sets the standard for dependable travel – a train unmatched in splendor, comfort and convenience. Within the streamlined Broadway Limited you’ll find an exceptional range of accommodations with six types of rooms varying in size from cozy Roomettes to luxurious Master Rooms with private bath and shower. The color and charm of its handsome lounge cars fitted with buffets, easy chairs and divans . . . marvelous food served in a beautifully designed Master Dining Car and traditional Broadway Limited service and courtesy all add to the pleasure of your overnight trip. For the finest in travel between New York and Chicago – ride the Broadway Limited. You’ll enjoy every restful mile!


PENNSYLVANIA RAILROAD

Go by Train . . . Safety – with Speed and Comfort


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:44 AM
G’day Gents!


What a difference a week makes – we were sweltering in high 80s (F) lower 90s this time last week, now things are more “normal” and much more tolerable! Ahhhhhhhhhh![swg]

An interesting start to the AM with visits from our “dependables” returning to the “scene!”<grin>

Very much appreciative of barndad Doug taking the time to share some thoughts and info with us in light of all the events taking place in his life! Many THANX! You exemplify what being a loyal customer is all about and no wonder why you are a member of our Order of the Stools – Permanent status! [tup][tup][tup] Now, if we can only get rid of those jokes . . . <groan>

I'd say that train wreck would ruin one's day, eh[?] Too bad about the fatality . . . .

Ahhhhh, yes the New Haven – any time, any where, any place – just love that stuff . . . thanx, Al.

Ted the Bear has returned AGAIN and it’s good to see you in your familiar spot each morning. Helps us get the juices flowing, so to speak. There is no rush nor an urgency to digest the pages that have slipped on by since your days of being a “regular.” Take your time, they WILL remain for you![swg]

I’m curious regading your RR BOOK RELAY! comments, but surely can wait ‘til the book returns to me. The idea of those pages I inserted for comments was precisely that. So, no point in gilding the Lilly. I’m not the author and my feelings surely won’t be hurt![swg] Appreciate your participation and still am rather perplexed over the reluctance of our “regulars” to even take a look at this PICTURE BOOK . . . . go figger! [%-)][%-)]

CM3 Always a pleasure to pick up on your mid-morning submissions and there’s much to glean from your thoughts. I like the way we are able to use the hobby information and intertwine it so well with our Classic Trains theme of the bar. Works well, donchathink[?] Round and quarters noted and appreciated![tup][tup]

Blues and the playoffs[?] Just wasn't meant to be. No excuses from the ownership and coaches, but I think that year away from the game really put the hurt on this franchise. But you are so correct, it does seem that "everyone" gets in to the playoffs - but it's a bit more difficult than back in the days when 16 out of 21 made it! Now that WAS ridiculous.[yeah]

Hey Count Robulla! Thanx for the “late shift” submissions! Always on point and always something to get us going – to bed that is![swg] Not that your Posts put us to sleep or anything . . . [zzz]

Nice writeup on the OAPS and while I'm not sure about the "esoteric" reference Doug gave it, I'd say - Good job![swg]

Thanx for the E-mails Rob – Lars ‘n BK! Responses en route . . .


As with yesterday, I expect to be behind the bar for the remainder of the day . . . but will most probably slack off on my Posts. Still require some “recharging” after Tuesday’s Marathon. But actually, I too have a life and there have been ‘things’ happening, requiring much of my time and effort – Juneau being only one![swg]

Speaking of my "watch dog" - he watches pretty much everything I do![swg] Thanx to CM3 (aka: Shane I'm not) 'n Doug for the comments . . . dog's are truly the best friends I've ever had. Sorry 'bout that all you gals in those ports-a-call from many decades past![swg]

Have a safe, productive and enjoyable day one and all!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:35 AM
[banghead] I'm sure all of you have heard the expression "the hurrier I go, the behinder I get." That is my current status with pouring over more than 30 days of "out of action." Tom, I'll defintely need a schooner sized Columbian Gold this a.m. as I was slaving over a hot puter much of the night, thanks. One glaring omission was the fact that I let a couple of birthdays get passed me.[v] However, I suppose the injured parties have taken that as an r.s.v.p. as I did with many absentees at my bash last August.[swg]

Since it really isn't Kosher to just "jump in blind," I hope everyone will understand that the scarcity of my present posts are predicated on back stroking through a Tome of prior submissions. I can't let a couple of things go by today without a mention however. CM3, the URL on scratch built 3" guage locos is absoultely astonishing. How a man could possess such a grasp for proportion, detail and accuracy given the "bare bones" machine shop and improvised building materials, is one of the "seven wonders" of M.R.R.ing to me.[:O] Rob yes, those Boston P.C.C.'s certainly looked better than those I recall riding in the late 1950's.[^]

The hours are still on a tight rationed basis here but at my own glacier like pace, I hope to be "up and running" by the time our Rendesvous date arrives. PETE, the "Relay Book" should reach you by the end of this week. Hope you don't think my comments are too severe when you are handed the baton. Something just seemed "out of phase" with the organization of the work.[2c] NICK, the mental imagery conjured forth put your rail trek clearly in my "mind's eye." To all who posted on the "tin plate" (Lionel, et al.) aspect of Pikes Prospective, congratulations for that "trip down memory lane." Okay, it is past rush hour and me little Crayola beckons forth for the onslaught across Tampa Bay, UGH! So long for now and happy rails to all.
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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:30 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present. Coffee, please; round for the house and $for the jukebox.

Acknowledgements today interspersed with other material.

Lionel catalog covers were certainly memory joggers.

1949 catalog showed the Sunoco tank car (had several of these in the fleet) and the milk car, 1954-55 books showed the Trainmasters which we mentioned awhile back, and the 1955 cover showed the 6464 series State of Maine boxcar.

BKs pictures of the Fleischmann trains were memory joggers again as some of the larger hobby stores in the Boston area had extensive inventories of Fleischmann products. I always liked the electric locomotives they produced.

Lars – Time zones? Meridian? I always thought that was a division point on the Illinois Central. Learn something new every day.

The Lionel Hudson posts have been combined and copied. BTW, the picture on Barndad’s post enlarges nicely.

Nick – Sound like you had an “interesting” time. The weather there sounds like West Virginia springtime stuff.

Your comments remind me of a time where I spent most of a night sleeping beside the PRR tracks at Aberdeen, MD, as I was on a trip up the NEC from the Puzzle Palace on the Potomac to Boston.

The railroad decided to create a pile of boxcars on the NEC just outside DC which resulted in a multitrack “dewirement.” We were put on a make up train and taken on a roundabout route to Aberdeen via the B&O (talk about some interesting sights en route). We were dropped off there to await our train which would “be along soon.” Well the maxim “late trains always get later” applied. Anyway, being the good camper that I am, I settled in for the night beside the tracks and slept quite well. Believe me it was far better out there than spending the night in some coaches which I think Stonewall Jackson boosted from the B&O in 1861. The train arrived early in the a.m. and I repaired to my sleeper. We arrived in Boston abt. 11 hours behind schedule.

Rob – Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound material was appreciated. We did take advantage of the best thing ever exported from Parry Sound for a few years. Aside to Tom those silly !@#$% never even made the playoffs – how do you do that in the NHL when everybody goes? See you in the rat room!

To Barndad – Athol material hit close to home. My mom was born in Athol as her dad was working for Starrett at the time. They later moved to Providence when he went to work for Brown and Sharpe.

Al - New Haven material is always nice to see. I think over the years I rode in just about every one of them. They did change in configuration and number as you pointed out so well. Most NYNH&H material was junk by the time Amtrak came along because of the way the cars were built. The "County" cars did survive, however, probably the longest of any of their stuff. Peter Lynch's book, New Haven Passenger Tarins has some good interior shots if you want to see what the parlor cars looked like.

I noticed some folks mentioned interest in machining. I looked through the machinery section in the east wing and found the following which might be of interest. Cope, Kenneth L. Makers of American Machinist’s Tools: A Historical Directory of Makers and Their Tools. Mendham, NJ: Astragal Press, 1994. It’s probably long out of print, but try to find it as it has some good material about the different companies and some of their products.

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Posted by passengerfan on Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:49 AM
Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a cup of coffee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.
Apoligize for my absense yesterday but wasted an entire day at the VA left the house at 0530 and returned at 1950. If ever their was a group that needed additional facilities and twice the help I visited it yesterday. In spite of being overworked not one of them was less than professional. But I don't understand haw they can handle the pressure. From what I could see they need at least double the staff they have and ten times the space. This is only supposed to be temporary but it will last at least three more years.

I know off subject so I owe a round to the house.

Tom Have to go to the office today and from the looks of things it is going to be a full day so will leave something on one of your favorite railroads.

NEW YORK
NEW HAVEN
&
HARTFORD
Streamlined Parlor Cars
by Al

The New York New Haven & Hartford owned the largest number of postwar streamlined Parlor cars built for any railroad. Not only did they own the greatest number but they also owned the greatest variety of lightweight streamlined parlor car types. The New Haven operated the only lightweight streamlined all parlor car trains in America the MERCHANTS LIMITED but alas coaches were added within thirty days of its entry into service as a streamlined train.
The fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven externally were all to the postwar so called American Flyer design from Pullman Standards Worcester, Mass. plant. This was originally the old Osgood Bradley plant. The postwar American Flyer design cars featured fluted stainless steel panels both above and below the windows of the car sides.
The New Haven promoted parlor car service more than any other railroad in the United States and at one time nearly every through train between Boston and New York carried one or more parlor cars. The New Haven remained one of the largest users of heavyweight Parlor cars in the late 1930's and throughout the 1940"s. And this was in addition to the fifty lightweight streamlined parlor cars delivered to the New Haven in the late 1940's. The lightweight streamlined parlor cars of the New Haven were numbered in the 200s, 300s and 400s. The 200 series parlor cars were named for COUNTIES, the 300 series parlor cars were named for on line CITIES and TOWNS, and the 400 series were named for on line RIVERS.

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 31 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood-Bradley) July - August 1948 Plan: 4503 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

200 MIDDLESEX COUNTY

201 SUFFOLF COUNTY

202 BRISTOL COUNTY

203 DUKES COUNTY

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 32 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503D Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4503B Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

BAGGAGE ROOM BUFFET 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES 1 REVENUE PARLOR DRAWING ROOM 14 REVENUE PARLOR SEATS 11 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4501 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

210 KENT COUNTY

211 WASHINGTON COUNTY

212 ULSTER COUNTY

213 TOLLAND COUNTY

214 FAIRFIELD COUNTY

215 QUEENS COUNTY

216 LITCHFIELD COUNTY

217 WINDHAM COUNTY

218 HAMPSHIRE COUNTY

219 BRONX COUNTY

36 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

300 PITTSFIELD

301 BRIDGEPORT

302 MANSFIELD

303 BROCKTON

304 HARTFORD

305 ROWAYTON

306 CRANSTON

307 WORCESTER

308 STAMFORD

309 STONINGTON

310 TORRINGTON

311 PROVIDENCE

52 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CARS WITH 2-1 SEATING Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) August 1948 Plan: 4500 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous name trains)

312 ATTLEBORO

313 PAWTUCKET

314 GUILFORD

315 WESTERLY

316 MYSTIC

317 DANBURY

318 GROTON

319 HOLYOKE

320 MERIDEN

321 MILFORD

322 NEWPORT

323 TAUNTON

324 LYME

26 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 14 SEAT SMOKING LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard (Osgood - Bradley) October 1948 Plan: 4502 Lot: 6788 (Built for and assigned to numerous named trains)

400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 THAMES RIVER

402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 HUDSON RIVER

The New Haven trains assigned Parlor cars with Drawing Rooms and Day Roomettes THE YANKEE CLIPPER; MERCHANTS LIMITED between Boston & New York in both directions. They also operated in unnamed train # 58, THE AMBASSADOR and the BANKERS between Springfield and New York. The SENATOR and THE PATRIOT between Boston and Washington operated with Parlor cars that featured Drawing Rooms. The following trains operated with New Haven parlor cars.

6-9 THE MAYFLOWER between Boston and New York both directions

10 THE MURRAY HILL between New York & Boston

12 THE BAY STATE between New York & Boston

13 THE 42nd STREET between Boston and New York

15-20 THE PURITAN between New York and Boston both directions

28-29 THE GILT EDGE between New York and Boston both directions

33 THE SUNDOWN Boston & New York

Almost immediately after entering service Parlor cars 312 - 324 were a source of complaints, passengers did not like the two and one seating in these cars and voiced their opposition to the New Haven management. For once a railroads management listened and in early 1949 all thirteen cars 312 - 324 were reconfigured with 1-1 seating reducing capacity to 36 the same as Parlor cars 300 - 311.
In June 1949 the New Haven renamed 36-seat Parlor car 305 ROWAYTON to 305 WOONSOCKET.
The five 400 series 26 seat Parlor 14 seat Smoking Lounge cars named for RIVERS were renamed between January and April from RIVER series names to NEW prefix names in order to avoid conflict with NYC cars that shared the same Mott-Haven Coach yard in New York. The following lists the new name and the original name of these cars.

400 NEW BRITAIN originally 400 CONNECTICUT RIVER

401 NEW ROCHELLE originally 401 THAMES RIVER

402 NEW MILFORD originally 402 HOUSATONIC RIVER

403 NEW BEDFORD originally 403 BLACKSTONE RIVER

404 NEW HAVEN originally 404 HUDSON RIVER

In late 1952 the New Haven Passenger Department made the decision to rebuild several parlor cars with Baggage rooms and Drawing Rooms with additional revenue space by eliminating the Baggage Rooms in these cars. All work was performed at Pullman Standards old Osgood –Bradley plant in Worcester where the cars were cycled through. The cars after rebuilding retained their original numbers and names.

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 LOUNGE SEAT CARS Rebuilt February 1953 to new Plan: 4503D

206 PUTNAM COUNTY

207 NEW LONDON COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 REVENUE PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 28 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503C

208 BERKSHIRE COUNTY

209 KINGS COUNTY

3 REVENUE 5 SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOMS 2 PARLOR ROOMETTES BUFFET 29 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Rebuilt October 1953 to new Plan: 4503E

204 ESSEX COUNTY

205 PLYMOUTH COUNTY

Two of the 300 series 36 seat Parlor cars were remodeled to 72 revenue seat Coaches by the New Haven in April 1964 losing there names and being renumbered into the 7200 series at that time.

7200 originally 300 PITTSFIELD

7201 originally 308 STAMFORD

Eight additional 300 series Parlor cars were remodeled to 7200 series 72 revenue seat coaches in May 1964.

7202 originally 309 STONINGTON

7203 originally 310 TORRINGTON

7204 originally 311 PROVIDENCE

7205 originally 312 ATTLEBORO

7206 originally 315 WESTERLY

7207 originally 317 DANBURY

7208 originally 322 NEWPORT

7209 originally 323 TAUNTON

All remaining New Haven lightweight streamlined Parlor cars were transferred to PC ownership in the 1968 merger.

TTFN AL
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:32 AM
Good morning Tom and all! I'll have the usual 2 lite breakfasts, and thanks Rob for the morning read on your esoteric railroad. Hey, if it didn't stop in Chicago, it's an esoteric railroad to me! I know what you mean about the cost of model trains these days Tom. Seems like the "good" stuff is already expensive, and still it lacks the classic build of older models. Well, I don't have room for any of it yet, and certainly not the $.

Now that we are officially in "move mode" at the homestead, I get to load our little Escape with things to take to the temporary homestead on the evenings. I've had to move my boxes of old train magazines into the garage downstairs too ... and that's not going to make life easier at all! Here's a little something before I run off to work, and have a good day!

From Railroad History in Photographs R&LHS



This wreck near Athol. Mass., on the Vermont & Massachusetts Railroad on June 16, 1870, was caused by the locomotive hitting a hand car standing in the covered bridge (the handcar was loaded with rail). Locomotive “Whittemore,” built at Manchester in 1864, was destroyed. The only fatality was a newsboy on the train. “Peanuts” Johnson, though several were injured. The V&M later became part of the Fitchburg Divisions of the Boston & Maine.

[:I] Late one Friday in Dublin, a policeman spotted a man driving very erratically. He pulled the man over and asked him if he had been drinking that evening.
''Aye, so I have. 'Tis Friday, you know, so me and the lads stopped by the pub where I had six or seven pints. And then there was something called 'Happy Hour' and they served these mar-gar-itos which are quite good. I had four or five o' those. Then I had to drive me friend Mike home and o' course I had to go in for a couple of Guinness -- couldn't be rude, ye know. Then I stopped on the way home to get another bottle for later...'' And the man fumbled around in his coat until he located his bottle of whiskey, which he held up for inspection. The officer sighed, and said, ''Sir, I'm afraid I'll need you to step out of the car and take a breathalyzer test.''
''Why? Don't ye believe me?'' [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Thursday, April 20, 2006 5:17 AM

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THURSDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


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[:I] A successful rancher died and left everything to his devoted wife. She was a very good-looking woman, and determined to keep the ranch, but knew very little about ranching, so she decided to place an ad in the newspaper for a ranch hand. Two men applied for the job. One was gay and the other a drunk. She thought long and hard about it, and when no one else applied, she decided to hire the gay guy, figuring it would be safer to have him around the house than the drunk. He proved to be a hard worker who put in long hours every day and knew a lot about ranching. For weeks, the two of them worked, and the ranch was doing very well. Then one day, the rancher's widow said to the hired hand, "You have done a really good job and the ranch looks great. You should go into town and kick up your heels." The hired hand readily agreed and went into town one Saturday night. One o'clock came, however, and he didn't return. Two o'clock and no hired hand. He returned around two-thirty, and upon entering the room, he found the rancher's widow sitting by the fireplace with a glass of wine, waiting for him. She quietly called him over to her. "Unbutton my blouse and take it off," she said. Trembling, he did as she directed. "Now take off my boots." He did as she asked, ever so slowly. "Now take off my socks." He removed each gently and placed them neatly by her boots. "Now take off my skirt." He slowly unbuttoned it, constantly watching her eyes in the fire light. "Now take off my bra." Again, with trembling hands, he did as he was told and dropped it to the floor. " Now," she said, "take off my panties." By the light of the fire, he slowly pulled them down and off. Then she looked at him and said, "If you ever wear my clothes into town again, you're fired." [:I]


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Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 05:23:51 (309) Wednesday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 05:59:48 (309) History of the Lionel Scale Hudson, joke, etc.

(3) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 07:58:03 (309) Inclusive Post & Comments

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 08:09:24 (309) Comments & Hobby URL

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 09:20:16 (309) Acknowledgments & Comments

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 12:13:41 (309) 8 Lionel Catalog Pix

(7) BudKarr BK Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 13:33:09 (309) BK Report & 6 Pix!

(8) LoveDomes Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 14:24:51 (309) Lars Report & Lionel Steam Locos

(9) pwolfe Pete Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 15:19:31 (309) Inclusive Post & URLs

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 16:50:19 (309) Acknowledgments & Comments

(11) barndad Doug Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 18:01:15 (309) Inclusive Post & Lionel Scale Hudson, Pt II & joke!

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 20:17:26 (309) Acknowledgment & Comments

(13) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 20:25:47 (309) The return of Nick at Nite!

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 20:50:46 (309) reply to Nick

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Apr 2006, 23:19:53 (309) Inclusive Post & Comments

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 00:04:58 (309) Classic Steam #22 – OA&PS




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Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:04 AM
All right since it's almost thursday I will attempt to repost the OAPSRR post that was swallowed whole and spit out god knows where by the forum on Monday. Leon another Sleemans to fotify my thoughts if you will,thank you.

CLASSIC STEAM # 22 THE OTTAWA ARNPRIOR AND PARRY SOUND RY


The Ottawa Arnprior and Parry Sound railway was the shortest grain route to the Atlantic at the time it was completed. It's line took it through the wilds of Central Ontario, with trains arriving and departing every twenty minutes. it was also the longest railway ever built and operated by one man in the history of Canadian railway building. The line that John R Booth built.

Despit humble beginings on a Waterloo Quebec farm,John R Booth was destined to become one of the richest men in Canada. Shortly after establishing a saw mill of his own in Hull Quebec,the new commer to the lumber business stunned the Ottawa Lumber Barons by contesting and bidding on the prized contract to build the new Dominions parliament buildings, and winning ! He simply underbid his established rivals and got the job done using unemployed longshoremen from Montreal to build the house's of parliament. The first of his uncanny business doings.

With the money in his pocket from this coup, and the realization that at the time the only way to ship lumber to the vast markets of the US and Europe Booth purchased two floundering railways in 1872 that allowed him to cross the St lawrence river and enter the markets VIA the Vermont Central Railway. In 1879 his Canada Atlantic railway was born, a line that extended from Ottawa to the Atlantic.

His next step was to expand his timber holdings. The rich limits in Algonquin Park came up for auction in 1879-80 so Booth sent his cousin to investigate them. He was amazed to learn of the vastness ( thousands of Hectares of land-all still today a provincial park ). He again outmanovered his rivals, by purcahsing the rights for the unheard of for the time sum of $40,000.Five yeasr later he would be offered a million for the rights ( which he refused ).

His eyes turned to Georgian Bay.As a rail route to that body of water would provide acess to these new tiomber stands, and would also enable him to capture some or all of the burgeoning prarie grain traffic from the CPR and GT. He first purchased the rights to the charter for the Parry Sound Colinization Railroad- this was an effort by Parry Sounders to link their town with the Northern and Pacific Western Railway ( later purcahsed by the CnoR )at Burk's falls. So he began building westward from Ottawa to meet this newly aquired line. The route took him north-westward into the mountains of Renfrew County ( CDN Shield ) and along the coarse of the Madawaska River through Algonquin Park ( The line runs roughly parallel to the HWY 60 Corridor throuhg the Park ) then over the divide and into the struggling settlements in the Parry Sound District.

The biggest problem occured for him in Parry Sound itself. The charter he bought stipulated that Parry Sound be the port terminus of the line,however the local landowners knowing this tried to hold out for gigantic land prices. Booth simply refused to pay and found an Island six miles north that had a better harbour so he built the line there and established the Town of Depot Harbour, now Ontario's largest ghost town. For several decades depot Harbour rivalled Ports like Collingwood and Midland, Booth gained a huge share of the grain ru***raffic as well.

The Ottawa fires that destroyed the orginal Parliament buildings and much of downtown and Booths biggest mill devestated his companies. he did rebuild but new CPR lines to Collingwood and GTR lines through Midland and Owen Sound sucked away his piece of the grain business. Eventually laws were passed banning all but managed logging in Algonquin Park as well. Timbeer is still cut there but it's completly manged. there are even several thousand acres of old first growth forest in the Park that are not logged as they are protected.

Grand trunk Purchased the raillines from booth in the late teens, CNR continued to use the line through Algonquin Park till the late 50's when it was finally abandoned and turned over to Parks. MNR ( ministery of natural resources ) pulled up all the trackage and removed the stations,policy in Algonquin Park is to keep things natural, the only buildings are along the HWY 60 corridor campgrouns which straddle both side of HWY 60 for 80km's.The MNR maintains the roadbed of the line thrugh the Park as a hikeing and winter snowmobile trail so many of the plate girder bridges are still in place, just lacking their trackage.

There is a great book on Booth and his empire available primarily from the gift shop of te logging museum in Algonquin Park. It's aworthwhile read.





Two shots of one of the OAPS RR's bridge over the Madawaska river in Madawa On. This is just outside the west eneterance to Algonquin park.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:19 PM
Well good evening Leon,your are looking as interested as ever this evening[:D][8]I think a bottle or two of Sleeman's honey brown for something different this evening.

Doug Quite a bot of interesting info on the Lionel hudson's from you today [tup] good show. I have to admit that though I've never enjopyed the look of Lionel products it's facinating to see the information and the sheer volume of product they have put out over the years.hudson's are my most favourite of steam locomotives anyway and seeing the picture of the NYC prototype ones,makes me remember the TH&B's two of the rack J1E's that ruled their passenger trains. The music joke however[tdn][:0][:(!] All I have to say is thre groanameter says get the "fugue" out[;)][:p][swg] Likely too suttle a joke but those who are Bach and Mozart fans should enjoy it.

Tom nice to see you regalling us with more lionel catalogues of old. They always had such wonderfull artwork for their books, it's no wonder that they have been around and in the business for so long.Bye the Bye I do indeed apreciate your putting up with us here in the bar[tup] as well.

Lars i'll take you up on the email note offer. i ahve to gather my thoughts which lately takes some time[:0] Once I collect something coherent i'll send it in your general direction,hopefully not by smoke signal either. actuallu all my bits and bytes were in place it was the forum software that left me in the pixilated dust as it were Wierd and annoying all at the same time[alien]

BK Me thinks with those phot'os today that you were beemmng me a subliminal message[;)][swg] The odd thing about my conectivity issues is that they were only with the Kalmbach forums, I could go everywhere and anywhere else send and read emails etc, but as soon as I would log in here poof iw as bumped away somewhere in the either. Perhaps I've been abusing too many pixles lately[swg]

Shane (CM3) All I can say is wow. If I could only be a millionth as good a modeler as that guy I would truly be one happy camper. truly an awsome talent. thank-you for sharing that url. The PCC's section wasn't bad either.[;)] Ted make sure you take a peak at it

Nick Glad you made it back in. Sounds like quite the operation that they have there. Now is this one of the little narrow guage outfits like the Dimechurch or is was this a regular line[?]

Ted Ah yes it is indeed good to hear you come through the door in the AM feels just like last May and June etc. howeevr it's not proper ediquitte to discuss Boris's [alien]love triangles in polite company[:0][:I]Beside Hilda might still be holding a grudge over the almost wedding last october[:0][8][B)]many thanks for enjoying the fruits of my labours[tup]Glad that they had another enjoyer out there.

Well gents BFN ( Bye for Now )

Rob[^]


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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:50 PM
Hello Nick [C=:-)] and [#welcome] back!

By all means ship those Pix to me - but please, please do not do so on Saturday!! Otherwise, they will wait 'til the following week.[swg]

I recall reading that you were going to be having a "family" Easter - but for some reason must have missed the "pertinents!" Sounds like you had a great RR experience and for that, I'm envious. Sleeping on stone floors on the other hand . . . . not sober anyway![swg]

Yes, we've had a "flurry" of activity 'round the joint lately and not without some consternation. (Info availalbe via Email . . . ) Otherwisse, pretty same-ol, same-ol insofar as the bar has been concerned. Always miss having you 'round the joint, though![tup]

A bit surprised that an excursion train of the "fame" of that you've mentioned only had about 1/4 of the passengers it could hold. 'Tis a pity, for one day they too will disappear from the landscape . . . Ain't that the way of the world[?]

We're gearing up for our Rendezvous as expected - and the RR Book Relay! is en route Wolfman Pete in mid- Missouri for it's next to last leg. Been quite a journey![tup]

Okay, Mate - time for me to check out as well . . . catch ya next time![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:25 PM
Well good evening one and all,I`m finally out from under but well behind the curve ( something of a constant in my life sadly ) looks like this time I`ve excelled myself by missing both a birthday and an elevation to stoolhood (?).
So,without further ado-[4:-)][oX)]TOM-a fresh bottle of the crown royal,a bucket of ice,a little imported Welsh spring water by the side and a belated toast to our man 20 fingers AL [bday]-may your smallest dreams come true,many happy returns (possibly a poor choice of words given your occupation [swg] and our man DOUG-welcome to a select company [^]
Had hoped to have the first operating session of the year on the S.O.B lines this weekend,however the fates decreed otherwise so I am without Pikestuff to contribute.
Instead we had a family outing to the V.o.R,as mentioned last week.
Before I launch into a description I should perhaps point out (before I am accused of Grandstanding ) that there are at least 7 pages of new stuff for me to catch up on-this I will endeavour to do as time permits...........
So,[4:-)][oX)]TOM-set em up again,whilst the Gazette`s cub reporter takes you on a journey through the beautiful mid-Wales countryside-pix to follow...
Despite the usual dire weather predictions which are a traditional part of a Welsh Easter weekend ( thick cloud,rain varying from interrmitant showers to full blown downpours,horizontal sleet,rains of frogs,volcanic eruptions in Cardigan Bay and the like )we arrived in Aberystwyth to find one of those rare spring days when the blood sings and all things are possible.
Our train was hauled by loco #9 `Prince of Wales`,the only original engine on the line(although re-built twice since leaving Davis & Metcalfe`s works in 1903 ).
The consist was :-two open-sided `tourist` coaches,three all-thirds and a brake-compo at the tail.
The first third of the twelve mile run is along the flood-plain of the lower Rheidol valley,the track is surrounded by scruffy light industrial units,cheap looking red brick `rabbit hutch` houses and general dereliction to the south and an S.S.S.I (site of special scientific interest -Missisnick`s domain)around the river to the north.
After Capel Bangor,the first passing place on the line,the work starts in earnest-from here we climb just under 800 ft in 8 miles.
As the valley steepens and narrows the track tucks itself into the south slope and begins a steady 1-50 climb through some exceedingly tight tight curves and narrow cuttings,the view from one side is of moss,lichen and rock,up close and personal and from the other of the rapidly diminishing farms and smallholdings below us.
By now,the `Prince` is working hard,even with a train less than a quarter full-One can only imagine the `bark` of a full load
As we get further up the valley we seem to slip back in time,the age of the automobile is something that happened elsewhere,past the new reservoir we start to see the scars of the lead mines that,together with the tall timber provided the original raison d`etre for the line.
A last big push and we slide through a deep cutting and into Devil`s Bridge,the outer terminus of the line.
A short walk takes us to the gorge ,an impressive geological feature where the river passes below the road at a startling depth.
After this,afternoon refreshments are taken at the Three Bridges Hotel,an authentic looking Edwardian building with a delightfully light and airy tea room redolent with the ghosts of crinoline clad ladies and their sharp-suited beaus-an illusion fostered by the presence of an Alvis saloon and a Norton Commando,both in concours condition,in the parking lot-sadly the photo chip was full by now.
Back to the train and with just one good pull to get us rolling the `Prince` can take it easy back down the valley.
Had a (very) brief chat with the loco crew,apparently both the other engines are currently in bits awaiting major overhaul and they are not looking forward to the high season timetable-it might be that the diesel loco ends up being used-not happy bunnies,difficult descision-balance of opinion" Well,we`ll have to give this bu**er a thrashing again-she`ll take it.
Train-trip over we enjoyed a marvelous fish supper in the popular Victorian sea-side resort of Aberaeron,followed by a pleasant stroll around the harbour and home in time to put small monster daughter Hannah to bed.
Pix to follow sunday (assuming our hosts good graces) plus a more technical run-down of the railway.
Right then chaps,I`m away for now( still recovering from spending 4 nights sleeping on a stone floor,take care,be good,have fun,regards to all,nick,[C=:-)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:17 PM
G'day!

Doug - Nice continuation of the Lionel Hudson and changes in company ownership. [tup][tup]

I will gleefully provide Vito the Hit 'n the Boyz to accompany Lars' Goon Squad in paying a "final call" on the JO who has caused you so much grief.[:O]

Hmmmmm, so writing a letter to Coors telling them how much I enjoy their product by the BARREL will result in . . . . [swg] Just a thought!<grin>

Getting back to your articles on Lionel brings to mind some thoughts many have expressed on other Threads and Forums regarding the future of the hobby. Progress costs, it's as simple as that. Technology costs. Innovativeness costs.

The entry of HO (and other scales) into DCC should serve as both an example and warning. These trains are NOT your father's trains! It will be anyone's guess whether the newer stuff will indeed stand the test of time, but insofar as the "bells 'n whistles" are concerned (no pun intended!!) they sure are "nifty" to operate. But oh so expensive and oh so out of reach for the entry level kid. The disparity between "low level" and "state of the art" is hardly what we used to see when comparing O-27 with O gauge.

Just some thoughts . . . .

Thanx to all who bought rounds & provided quarters for our Coal Scuttle!

Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central!)

Later (maybe!)

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:01 PM
Good evening Tom and friends! I'll break tradition, and ask for a Samuel Adams today, and buy two rounds for the house! Many moons ago, a friend of mine told me that he wrote the brewers of Samuel Adams, and told them he liked their beer. They sent hime free stuff! So I did the same ...wrote to them and told them how much I enjoyed their beer. They sent me a Samuel Adams hat, coasters, and other stuff (I can't remember). Just thought I'd mention it. I wonder if other companies do the same thing? Some of you might want to invest the cost of a stamp to find out if your favorite beer brewery does this too?

Looks like Dave's birthday needs some updating if he was scratch-building anything 100 years ago! Do you have any pictures of your "S" gauge creations? C(m)3PO, I'll have to get back to your link when I can devote my full attention ...looks like a winner! Tom, too late for a birthday gift for our mascot? Would he like to eat have a cat? Terrific Lionel catalog pix sir! BK, extra impressive model pix today. Mucho compliments to your roomie! Lars, I'll take you up on your offer to provide burly dock workers to help "teach" my idiot neighbors that they continue to be clueless, loud and contemptable. We can't wait to escape them, and are looking forward to our move. Really terrific Lionel submission today sir! [tup] Now here's the 2nd part of mine:

History of the Lionel Scale Hudson by Richard E. Walters; Vintage Rails #20 1999

Lionel proudly boasts about its new offering, “America’s first authentic scale model” Hudson in its 1937 catalog.


Following World War II, the American economy was besieging industry to provide its citizens things that were denied them the previous four years: consumer goods! Lionel had done very well during the war, and was now prepared to utilize many of the advances in mechanical devices it had developed to dive back into the production of toy trains.

A number 703 Hudson was originally planned to be offered in 1946, but there were problems obtaining proper materials. The wait was finally over in 1950, though, when the 773 hit the shelves. This scale-size J-1E Hudson was made available in time for Lionel’s 50th Anniversary.

This unit was actually different from the 763E. Some of the non-cast boiler piping detail was actually added to the 1950 casting. Also changed were the grab iron supports for the boiler, steam chest, front and rear trailing truck, and frame. (This frame change was necessary to better fit a new motor design.)

The tender drawbar had been changed, and there was a smoke unit added to the 773. The driver wheels went from spoked to solid, for use with tube-type track. Changes were also made to the valve gear design, and the tender was updated to a 8 ½” long unit with 12-wheel trucks and was stamped “Lionel Lines.” Since the production run of the 1950 scale-size Hudson lasted only one year and the production was not really large, no specific design changes came forth.

The next time that the semi-scale Hudson was issued were the years 1964-1966. The locomotive was brought back possibly as one attempt to renew interest in Lionel’s toy train line, and to recapture a market share lost to TV watching as the “toys of choice.” This version still utilized the same cast mold. The cab number was now white and was larger and of a different style than had been used in 1950. There were also less subtle changes. In 1964 the tender was a 2046W “water scoop” variety, with eight-wheel trucks and Pennsylvania lettering (a road name that would never have been coupled with the J-1E, a distinct New York Central number). By 1965 the name on the tender was changed to New York Central.

When the Lionel Corporation unloaded its declining train business to MPC in 1970, little thought was given to anything more than producing a few trains to fill out General Mills’ toy line. In 1974 MPC was spun off into what became Lionel Fundimensions, and sales actually began to increase. One of the reasons for the increase was that “baby boomers” had incomes and could now purchase what they had not been able to afford as children. The 1970s progressed, and these people began asking for more detailed offerings, including a scale-size Hudson. The company was not in a position to offer such an item, primarily because the skills to produce such an engine were not available. (Also, it was uncertain what the profit could be made on the collector market!)

Many of the parts needed to produce this first of the “Modern Era” scale proportioned 783 Hudson in 1984 had to be outsourced. Certainly a lot of in-house capability had been lost during the previous 15 years, and some re-engineering also needed to be done on tired tools and dies. Along the way some new ideas were added as well. The 783 boasted semi-scale detail and the addition of two plastic tubes running from the smoke unit to the vicinity of the steam chest. This unique arrangement allowed the appearance of “steam” exiting from just behind the front trucks. Also changed was the whistle in the tender, from the prewar/postwar air horn to a solid-state device employing printed circuitry. The “Mighty Sound of Steam,” as it was advertised, utilized integrated circuits to store and discharge electrical energy to mimic the burst of steam discharge from the pistons. Though antiquated by current standards, for its time it was state-of-the-art. The 784 and 785 Hudsons followed in relatively rapid succession, each bearing a distinctive color and markings.

In 1990 Lionel Trains Inc. announced what collectors had wanted for years: The remanufacture of a truly scale Hudson! This beautiful masterpiece was produced using new engine tooling and is numbered 5340. It was the first Hudson to use RailSounds, which is an array of three different digitized sounds, including whistle, chuff, and bell, all controlled from the transformer. He package came together on spoked drivers and was truly mesmerizing!

The future does not appear to hold the “same old stuff.” The Lionel Corporation LLC promises new scale highly detailed Hudsons, complete with RailSounds and Trainmaster Command Control. This electronics package permits control of all train-related sound and movements anywhere on a layout. These pieces will undoubtedly be the finest Hudsons built to date. Beyond this, it is anyone’s guess, but judging from the evolving state of miniature electronics and the current (and probable future) demand for high-quality scale type pieces, we may not seen nuthin’ yet!

[:I] Jean Claude Van Dam, Steven Segal, and Arnold Schwarzenagger all decide to go out trick-or-treating as musical composers for Halloween. They go into a costume store and look for masks. Jean Claude sees a costume that he likes and says, "I think I'll go as Beethoven." Steven Segal sees a costume that grabs his attention and says, "I'll be Mozart." Arnold had a tough time finding a costume that he liked, but he eventually found one that appeased his interest. He picks up a costume and said, "I'll be Bach." [:I]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:50 PM
G'day Gents!

I want to preface this comment with another - for every one out there who has tried to maintain a "set time" for Posting - I appreciate your efforts. It really takes a bit of the "load" off of me.[tup][tup][tup] And, Lars you have been simply exemplary in your willingness to help out and I have come to 'depend' upon your mid/late afternoon Posts. It's NOT a good thing to 'depend' on anyone or anything when dealing in the world of Cyber Comms - but so be it. Thanx very much for helping out. [tup][tup][tup]

Another THANX goes to CM3 (aka: CMShane3, et al) for making the mid-morning time slot his own![tup][tup][tup] Of course we all do NOT have to be creatures of habit, however, it does relieve an awful lot of the time I spend in the Ether just to know that others are helping out with this Thread.

I have created all kinds of recognition through the past year - Regulars - Order of the Stools - "Reserved 'n Permanent Stool status" and so forth. It was all designed to acknowledge and reward the efforts put forth. I am now considering yet another category of recognition - which is not quite ready for "prime time release."[swg]

In reviewing our past year and the number of Posts, I must temper the tendency to "reward" simply by numbers of Posts. That doesn't "get it" with me - and for anyone who has followed this Thread, you should know that. It's ALWAYS quality over quantity, each 'n every time. There are a few guys who really should be recognized not only for their Posts, but also for maintaining a degree of continuity to go along with it. And guess what[?] That changes with the times.

Once it was West Coast S Dave who was sooooooooo dependable for his afternoon submissions. Things change. Now it's Lars who occupies that slot. Then there was Trainnut484 Russell who entertained us with his afternoon 'deliights,' but that too has gone by the boards. Now it seems that BK 'n Pete pick up the slack. Just the "dynamics" of this thing we call the Ether.

So, where is all this leading[?] Simply to this conclusion - it takes a strong nucleus of guys who give a Rat's Patoot about this bar - my creation. I'll leave it up to YOU to determine who the real supporters are.


Thanx to BK - Lars 'n Pete for the afternoon Posts. Enjoyed 'em all. Especially liked the participation in the Pike Perspectives and the Pix from Bk and narrative from Lars. Enjoyed your submission, Wolfman but it appears you didn't use the "Refresh/Reload" feature, for there was no mention of the Post from Lars![swg]

I received several Emails of encouragement today - and thank one and all for them, not really necessary, but of course appreciated. You know, in my career, we didn't use the "peer evaluation system!"[swg] Anyway . . . . the major "thing" that bugs me are the guys who absolutely refuse to read the Posts and then "pretend" to know what's going on. That is very, very insulting and quite frankly, I wi***hey would take it elsewhere.[sigh]

Nice URLs Pete - almost neglected to recognize your efforts![tup]

Okay boyz, how about a drink on me[?] Boris ring the ding![swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]
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Posted by pwolfe on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:19 PM
Hi Tom and all.

A pint of Bathams please.

Meant to mention yesterday how much I enjoyed DOUG's post on the locomotive bells. they were not used in common practise in the UK( only where street running and in docks etc)
The Great Western KING class loco King George V was sent over in 1927 to appear at the B&O exhibition of that year and was re-assembled in their Mount Clare workshops. the loco was presented with an inscribed working bell which it carried through its working life and is still able to be seen on the loco has she as been preserved. here is a link showing the bell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GWR_King_George_V_16_db.jpg

To keep with Pikes day a link to a model of the King
http://www.southernsteamtrains.com/misc/King%20George%20Review.htm

Good to see you back ROB and I hope the puter problems are solved soon.Thanks again for the advice on posting the pics [tup].

What great detail on the Hudson DOUG[wow].

Thanks for the link CM3. A talented person Wilbur Frey was for sure and you could not ask for a nicer testemonial as was given at the top of the page.

BK Yes it is frustrating when the post is all written and adding the last smillie and the thing gets a mind of its own and it refuses all commands I left it for awhile hoping it would sort itself out but the only way out was to turn it off and let it and me cool off and start again.
Loved the Fleischmann photos especially of the Crocodile Ae3/6 electric loco.

Great Lionel catalog covers TOM, I noticed that they reflect the change from steam to diesel power of the time. It must have been a concern of the model manufacturers as to how popular the models of the diesels would be.

TED Very sad to hear of the personel loss. I know you are amongst friends here at OUR Place.
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Posted by LoveDomes on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:24 PM
G’day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


Argggggggghhhhhhh! My “bookend” beat me in again . . . . [tdn][swg]


Bad night for the Mets and worse for the Cards I see. Just heard that your guys beat the Pirates this afternoon, as my guys dropped a “squeeker” to the Braves. Well, it IS a long season! [swg]


What’s to say that hasn’t been said[?] Many, many posts yesterday and some fine contributions to the Theme for the Day – B&M and of course the somewhat disjointed B’day Bash! Cheers to one and all who participated in either event or both![tup][tup][tup]

What’s to say that hasn’t been said about our Proprietor[?] There simply is no rival when it comes to the unselfish manner in which he goes about ensuring that one and all get their “fair shake” at recognition.[tup][tup][tup]


Actually, I think my “bookend” summed it up quite well with his commentary on the day being a success all around. That IS a much better perspective – well put, BK! By the way, nice Euro toy train pix!!


Time for one of my “standard” sandwiches and a pitcher of R&H! [yeah] You remember, 2 foot hero, ham, Swiss, buttAH & mustAHd with 2 large pickles from the barrel. Oh, and a round for the boys too! Ka-ching, ka-ching goes “Tilla!”[swg]


Glad to see you have returned, Rob and perhaps we need to run a long extension cord up your way to ensure that your bits ‘n bytes get through to the server!<grin> What’s the matter, didn’t pay the bill[?] Only kidding – very glad you are with us again and it seems strange without you, and of course the man from West Wales – Nick. What’s up with him these days[?]

Rob as indicated in my post regarding “help” for Tom – send me YOUR thoughts by email and we can discuss it. I said pretty much what was on my mind, yesterday.[tup]


Doug That Lionel Hudson loco is what boys in my time and before, dreamed of. It was really something better suited for the serious hobbyist than anything else. It was marketed way before I understood electric trains, but when I first saw one up at the Lionel exhibit hall in Manhattan, I couldn’t believe my eyes. What a great looking loco. As Tom indicated, this was no toy train and would have looked totally out of place amongst the Lionel “stuff” most of us had back then. Nice input![tup] And by the way, hope all is going well on the homefront![tup] I still think we should have rounded up a few of my burly dock worker friends and taken care of that “problem” you encountered![swg]


CMShane3 Check out this URL: http://www.circ.uab.edu/nypldr/1time/standard.htm [swg]

BTW, I really liked that URL you provided. I’m a half-assed machinist and understand what it takes to produce a product of such detail and precision. Not that I could, or would, engage in such activity for hobby purposes. It’s one thing to fashion a part necessary to keep the ship’s engineering requirements functioning, it’s quite another to do it for “sport.” Anyway, a labor of love and a URL well worth visting.[tup]


Tom Those Lionel catalogs really bring home the memories, huh[?] Remember seeing those catalogs in all the “toy stores” – that is what they were called long before the LHS moniker. Then of course the department store window displays, mentioned by BK pretty much replicated the catalog layouts. Oh how I would “dream” of having those trains – all of ‘em!![swg] Nothing “greedy” about me – just a kid dreaming and wishing!


Pike Perspective’s Day again, huh[?] Well, we sorta passed it by last week due to our 1st Year Anniversary party – so here’s something I had prepared for your hobby related reading enjoyment:


The following submission is from:



QUOTE: LIONEL STEAM LOCOMOTIVES

Ask anyone on the street, “What do you remember about a Lionel train?” and most of them will smile as fond memories return and say “its black, heavy, and you put little pills in the smoke stack.” This is a fitting description for the bulk of Lionel’s postwar steamers.

Lionel had introduced zinc-alloy die-casting in its manufacturing process prior to World War II, though it took a few years to perfect. Impurities in the metal can cause it to “rot” over years, swelling and disintegrating – a common problem in prewar trains, but unusual in postwar production. This new process allowed the company to create handsome, detailed, yet rugged locomotives. the mechanisms housed in these heavy metal boiler shells were works of art themselves, especially during the late 1940s when they were as precisely made as a fine watch. Ultimately, some of the less-expensive locomotives came to be made of plastic, but die-casting remained the basis for the better engines until the end.

Continued innovation kept Lionel ahead of its competition, and the steam locomotives were at the forefront. Prior to WWII, Lionel had introduced its famed air whistle. Usually housed inside the tender, a small electric motor turned an impeller, forcing air through two acoustic changers and producing a realistic whistle sound. The motor was controlled by a relay, which was closed by imposing a slight DC current on top of the normal AC track power that ran the train. A similar relay was used to ring the bell on the switch engines.

In 1946, Lionel wooed consumers by producing the first locomotives with a puffing smoke. These were replicas of a handsome 2-8-4 Berkshire and Pennsylvania’s revolutionary, albeit unsuccessful S-2 turbine. The first year’s smoke unit used a special oversized light bulb to heat the smoke material, but beginning in 1947, a nichrome wire-wound heater element was used instead on most of the larger locomotives. It was these units that seemed to have an insatiable appetite for the memorable “SP” smoke pellets. In the late 1950s, a third type of smoke generator appeared that used a liquid rather than pills.

Lionel’s golden anniversary year of 1950 saw the final major innovation in steam locomotive production – the introduction of Magnetraction. This feature was intended to better keep the locomotive on the track and increase its pulling power by using powerful Alnico magnets to magnetize the wheel, “sticking” the train to Lionel’s tin-plated steel track.

The fortunes of Lionel seemed to parallel that of full-size steam locomotives. Both reached their zenith in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and both seemed to be fading memories by the late 1960s.



Hey Tom The pitcher needs refilling![swg]


Until the next time!

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Posted by BudKarr on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 1:33 PM
Good Afternoon Captain Tom and all assembled!


Once again, we are preparing for our weekend away from the mountain retreat. However, before engaging in the now familiar routine of packing the automobile, I will make my appearance before the “court!”[swg]

A round for one and all, Sir Barman and Cheers to those who made yesterday a success! And let us not forget, it was a success. The Boston & Maine material was outstanding – led of course by our Proprietor with those in depth background postings. Then the party was a success IF measured by the numbers of us who came forth. I think it a shame to label all those efforts in any way other than positive. For what it is worth, my bride-to-be feels the same way![tup]


Some fine postings today, and I particularly got a kick out of those Lionel catalog covers. While never “qualified” as a toy train enthusiast in my childhood, I do recall the catalogs and displays in the department store windows. Then of course the Lionel around the Christmas tree – yes, I do recall those wonderful times!


Good to see your return to the bar, Sir Rob and there simply is no explanation for the arrival of the “Gremlins” who inhabit the forums. We recently recovered from our malaise regarding interconnectivity issues, and still do not know the cause!


Sir Doug that Lionel information is quite interesting. I do not recall seeing that locomotive, but it surely is impressive. Of course I have seen photos of the real one and have many in my growing RR library![swg]


Sir Coalminer, et al Your URL is quite informative, but far too much for me to digest. I admire those who put their talents to good use, and this fellow apparently has lots of it – talent that is![tup]


Pete from yesterday – good to see you, although I was off line during your postings. I did see you in the “phantom browse mode” – as Sir Tom phrases it – and now we know that you too fell victim to those “Gremlins!”


Lars my fellow “bookend” let me offer this not-so-sage-advice – it simply is not worth the powder it would take to blow ‘em to Kingdom Come to get yourself wrapped around the axle over anything said or unsaid on these pages. We come – we go and life goes on. Take that from me. I too get very upset and uptight over ignorance, inconsideration and all the rest. But what is there we can do to change any of it? Let us “play to the guys” who care and to blazes with the others.



A bit of European hobby photos for the bar on this Pike Perspectives afternoon:


Fleischmann 4117 - Tender Loco Class 17



Fleischmann 4318 - Electric Loco Class E19.1



Fleischmann 4324 - Electric Loco Class 146



Fleischmann 4337 - Electric Loco Class Ae 3/6



Fleischmann 4903 - Passenger Train of the K.P. u. G.H. St. E.



4913 Passenger Train "90 Years of MITROPA" of the P. St. E. V.



I do not take credit for retrieving these photos. My computer literate “roomie” does so well at this![swg]


I will now enjoy a Southern Comfort on the rocks and a glass of white wine for my lady![tup]


Enjoy the weekend, Gentlemen!


BK in beautiful Alberta, Canada’s high mountain country!
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:13 PM
G'day!

Pike Perspectives and Lionel Trains - a good mix! Check these out . . . .


1948 Lionel Catalog



1949 Lionel Catalog



1950 Lionel Catalog



1951 Lionel Catalog



1952 Lionel Catalog


1954 Lionel Catalog



1955 Lionel Catalog




1956 Lionel Catalog



(could not locate a "decent" 1953 cover)

Enjoy![tup]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:20 AM
G’day Gents!


A new day, a new start and some thoughts:

Many thanx to all who took the time and made the effort to log in during the “prescribed time” for Al’s B’day Bash! – equal thanx to those of you who dropped off a [bday] greeting before or after the “event.”[tup]

Our RR from Yesteryear – Boston & Maine may have gotten side-tracked by the Bash! and if so, please feel free to continue on with the “theme” today![tup] For example, Al if you are reading this – why not provide that B&M material you Posted on “my other thread” over here[?] After all – this is 1st priority for new stuff and it would fit in quite well . . . .

Thanx for the Emails from those of you who “care” about this Thread. Not to worry – I’m not bailing out, in spite of our somewhat perplexing events lately.

Okay – on with the acknowledgments for the day:

Count Robulla has returned! You had us wonderin’ what in blazes was going on! I had offered my “guesstimates” but fell short by failing to include Forum issues. Appreciate the E-mail elaboration . . .

We’ll be looking forward to your Rendezvous update by Email[tup]


Doug - Nice touch with that Lionel Scale Hudson write up![tup] When I first saw one of those – and they were probably 8 years old by then – I wanted one b-a-d-l-y!! Just couldn’t afford it – just a poor city kid. But they were the greatest looking scale loco’s I had ever seen up to that point. Just terrific. Made the rest of the Lionel line of steam loco’s pale in comparison. I mean, this was a SCALE model and so detailed, whereas my Pennsy S-2 steam turbine 6-8-6 was well, not quite so scale.[swg]


Ted - A morning visit and rather “normal” in the sense that it feels like old times (olde tymes!).[swg] No need for the accolades, although being your “basic human,” it always does wonders for the ego when someone makes mention of these things. Thanx![tup]

Sorry that apparently “the day” has arrived when another level of care had to enter into the picture regarding your friend. Life has all kinds of twists and turns and none of us are prepared for them. I guess it’s the guy who plays the hand that is dealt who get’s my admiration the most. Looking around, there ALWAYS someone who has it worse and that’s kinda the way I try to remain “grounded.” I haven’t a clue regarding where all this leads to – but while we’re here, touching others in a positive manner beats the dickens out of the alternative. You, Sir, apparently are one of those “positive strokers!”[tup]


CM3 - Now THAT’s what I call a hobbyist! This guy is quite the talent and I cannot imagine doing what he has done in making those great looking steam locomotives!

I hope the guys check out the URL – there’s quite a bit of reading, far too much for a “once over lightly,” so when you have the time – be sure to check out: http://www.walkertrans.org/ and go to “Wilbur Frey.” It’s worth the “trip!”[tup]

Thanx for the round AND quarters! We surely depleted the “kitty” yesterday, but not quite as expensive as some other parties.<grin>


Proprietor’s Comments:

There has been “evidence” of some guys not reading the Posts, which is nothing new or surprising.

However, the point I want to make with this is that one cannot “wing it” on this Thread. It simply will not and does not work. Believe me, it SHOWS when a Post is made with too many “generalizations” to be taken seriously. Or, when a Post is made that is clearly off the track in terms of point of reference and the like.

What to do[?] You already know the answer. But above all, let’s not insult one another with the apparent indifference or inconsideration that sometimes distracts mightily from what we’re trying to achieve.

For the MAJORITY of you – many, many THANX for your participation and interest in keeping the bar alive and well![tup][tup][tup]


I expect to be behind the bar for the remainder of the day . . . but will most probably slack off on my Posts. Yesterday “sapped’ my resources, personal and otherwise . . .


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


BE SMARTER, use the “Reload/Refresh” as soon as you get to ”Our” Place It’s the only way to get the most current Posts!
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Posted by coalminer3 on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:09 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

Well, we survived the birthday (any excuse for a party as somebody suggested - maybe someday I'll learn how to tell time, but work intervened so I had to jump the gun). I did not realize it was our mascot's birthday - Milk Bones and Iams, Pedigree, Ol' Roy (pick your brand) all around; I really enjoyed the picture - it always amazes me how dogs expand to fit the space available. Each member of the K9 Korps at our house can fill up an entire sofa, or they can coexist on the same piece of furniture.

I see that today is Pike Perspectives. Rather than write a piece for today, I am going to post a website. When you get on the site go the section on Wilbur Frey and his locomotives. Frey worked for the Grand Trunk at Island Pond. I never met him, but I heard a lot aboput him over the years, especioally from some of my live steam friends. If you like to build things or tinker, you will enjoy reading about his methods and seeing what he did.

Also on the site are several other subsections under the Core Collection. PCCs, steam, trucks, heavy equipment, and for our 'steamed proprietor, some shots of stick freighters in and around Boston. Note that at least one is equipped with an ASW gun.

Hope you enjoy this site.

http://www.walkertrans.org/

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:58 AM
Let's see this is Wednesday so it must be Pikes Prospective day, right? Tom, I'll snare a couple of "gotta go" prune danish and maybe a cuppa green tea today, thanks. Great to be able to post more regularly now, although the reprieve came at a considerable personal loss.[v] I'm about as caught up on the back log as I will ever be. To try to be thouroughly inculsive at one sitting would require 2 solid pages on the forum.[:O] It will be better to take this task on a piecemeal basis. Starting from the most recent entries, I hope all who attended Al's Birthday "high tea" enjoyed themselves as much as me. Crumpets aren't my thing but surely enjoyed the generous rounds of Narragansett.

Westcoast S Dave, about 100 years ago I did a little scratch building in S (Am Flyer). One model was of a 70' heavy weight standard day coach. For rivet detail I used 2 options: first I embossed perforations on thin strips of sheet bass with a seamstress' cog wheel and the second was the same method but on a brass template of the entire vestibule end. I saved the actual cutting of the brass until I was sure of a good fit on the wooden (basss wood) frame. Finally, I laminated the brass (strips or template) to the frame with Elmers Glue All. Any old mechanical (wind-up) clock gear can be used for tapping the rivets of different sizes. Antiquated? Yes, but if it was good enough for Richard Wagner it is "good enough" for me. By now, there are surely easier methods and I would appreciate your input later.[tup]

Barndad Doug, the Lionel info. was appreciated as I wasn't aware of the origianl N.Y Central J-1 Hudson castings in O guage. Lionel made a decent aluminum casting of the J-3A in HO in the early 50's. By then however, Varney, Mantua and Bowser were turning out comparable castings and better power.

Pete, congratulations on your sucess with the Photobucket site. I shall be browsing same very soon. Your pix are outstanding and "footers" most informative on British rail prototypes. I love that steam in the U.K. [^] The Connecticut car appears to be right out-of-the-shops. Rob, no way can I totally cover all of your past posts. Suffice to say they all come up to your very high standards for accuracy and detail. In my book, many [tup], ***** and 5 diamonds to you Sir.

Tom what can I say? I don't know where your patients and dedication comes from but I do know that without it, this forum would never "fly." Our gratitude can't be measured in X number of postings or "pats on the back." I only hope that these labors (like any hard work) are their own best reward. I have a meeting on the other side of the Bay later, so I'll "nip this post in the bud." Boris, you look awful! Been out in the woods late at night have you? Hmmm, maybe there is more to your social life than any of us know? Happy rails to all.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:59 AM
Good morning Tom and all! I'll have the usual two lite breakfasts please. Guess I'll be eating outside on the porch, as all the tables have pyramids of beer cans and bottles covering their tops, and the chairs are all on top of the roof! I'm amazed that some folks actually provided info on the B&M yesterday in spite of the revalry! I didn't know anyone was sober enough to know their name, let alone do that! Sure was nice to see a "streamliner" post from the B'day boy himself! Really enjoyed all the California dumb jokes and the geezer quiz from Tom, as well as B&M material. CMShane3 ... fantastic first-hand stuff from you, and the interview with Al was hilarious! BK, aboslutely outstanding RDC pix! Great URLs as usual from Mike
And now ....
Here's the first part of my PIke post today:

History of the Lionel Scale Hudson by Richard E. Walters; Vintage Rails #20 1999

The 1940 Lionel catalog offers the highly detailed, ready-to-run 700EW Hudson, as well as the 700K, which comes as a six-piece kit.


In 937 the Lionel 700E made its debut. It was created, some believe, by pressure to offer the scale community a mass-produced, low cost alternative to a precision hand-built brass locomotive and tender, and it immediately captivated both tinplate and NMRA hobbyists. Little did anyone realize that the 700E would become a benchmark by which all model electric trains would be measured for the decades to come.

A small section of other “scale”-size locomotives had been built by Lionel a few years earlier, notably the 725E UP M-10000 in 1934 and the 250E Hiawatha Atlantic in 1935. To be sure, these were constructed to NMRA 45:1 proportions, but they lacked much of the “added-on” detail enjoyed by scale enthusiasts, and their appearance was also somewhat more toy-like. The 48:1 scale 700E satisfied a great deal of the demand at that time, especially for what the pinnacle of Central System’s 20th Century Limited J-1 Hudson.

Measuring over 24 ½” in length and weighing over 15 pounds, the 700E and its tender were indeed a formidable combination. High-definition die cast metal, open-spoked driver wheels, and loads of added-on super detailing represented quite a departure from earlier endeavors. It carried beautiful complex linkage and Baker valve gear, accentuated by intricate detail. The tender had a whistle, scale trucks with Timken bearings, and 1,600 rivets. If you powered your train on an outside third rail, am add-on pickup shoe was included with each 700E. To wrap up each unit, a nice 072 T-rail display board with a brass nameplate was included. Quite a piece!

Considering the “enormous” investment of $75 in the fully assembled scale 700E (remember, this was the late 1930s, with many in our nation still out of work), Lionel began offering the various components of the J-1E kit form as the 700K. This was offered in six separate kits, all of which totaled $64.50. You could assemble the complete package, and do so as your budget allowed.

There are only a few variations of both the 700E and 700K. The original models were a true scale endeavor, and carrying this to the logical conclusion, the drive wheels on the engine were all flanged for use with the T-rail track. Some of the original engines were found to have “blind” center drivers and wheel flanges adaptable to tubular track (the latter fairly prevalent on the later 763E).

To better market this magnificent locomotive to the masses, Lionel offered a less costly, but no less formidable version of the 700E during the 1937-1942 production run, namely the 763E. The castings were basically unchanged, but the boiler and frame lacked much of the added detail, and shorter “tinplate” coal or oil tenders were offered. This Hudson did have many variations: Tender type, paint color, coupler variety, and markings varied. The engine did not have an operative coupler on the pilot. The boiler front had no 5344 number board and no grab iron railing. The Baker valve gear, lubricator, and over 90 percent of the 700E frame, boiler, and boiler front details were gone. The added-on piping on the boiler was missing, and the drive wheels were not only spoked, but also flanged for tubular track, and the center drivers were blind.

When Lionel introduced the automatic box coupler in 1938, tender designations and markings were changed. By the end of 1942, production ceased, and the pre-war Hudson era was over.

[:I] A man, whose level of drunkenness was bordering on the absurd, stood up to leave a bar and fell flat on his face. "Maybe all I need is some fresh air," thought the man as he crawled outside. He tried to stand up again, but fell face first into the mud. "Screw it," he thought. "I'll just crawl home." The next morning, his wife found him on the doorstep asleep. "You went out drinking last night, didn't you?" she said. "Uh, yes," he said sheepishly. "How did you know?" "You left your wheelchair at the bar again." [:I]

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