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[Anonymous]

Hi ho again all you Saturday Encore fans. Tom, maybe a Crown and soda before I savor that broiled, medium rare, bacon wrapped Filet Mignon, baked potato w/sour cream and chives if you please.[^] You found my Achilles heel again with the Southern Rwy. Encore. That with LV, UP and British Rwys. just about covered everyone in attendance.[:D] Ach Zo, our host in Toronto retires to a casket at dawn, Yah? I must remeber to pack some garlic cloves.[:D] Rob, you bet I'm ready for that bouquet of carbon, ozone, electrolytics and the sound of air hissing, folding doors and friendly moaning of taction motors.[^] Hey Pete, glad you now have the "Book Relay" and thanks again for the "Steam in the Sixties" URL. I must've spent an hour drooling over those vintage steam photos. Nick, nearly every gig I ever played here in FL has been on a cash basis. My first thought would be for your booking agent to get "in touch" with a U.S. counterpart here to work out an intenerary. Ogden is a "fur piece" out West from here in the East. Hey, "if you don't ask, you'll never know."[swg] Still, it is always nice to get offers, right? Doug, I know you're busier than a "cows tail in fly season" but those classic steamers and vintage parlour cars are "the berries" for yours truly.[tup] I really think the democratization of U.S. passenger service left a huge void after the "guilded age." Mind you, I wouldn't care to swap then for now under any circumstances. It is always refreshing to hear from Westcoast S, I already had lunch but enjoyed your comments on the "scratch" building techniques.

I just checked out the "Animusic" site Doug and still can't believe it. To think so much music could be pulled out of old G.I. bed springs, etc. goes beyond anything Rube Goldberg ever came up with. Okay, I'm outta here and no, I don't wi***o discuss the Senators and the Lightning game, thank you very much. Looks like Stanley's Cup may be taking a summer vacation points north of here, doesn't it? Happy rails and have a great Sunday Photo meet.

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Bossman!

I'm back - is my steak ready[?] Looks like my pitcher needs a refil . . . .

So, if it isn't the doorbell, it's the phone - if not them, then the Mrs. wants this or that . . . I wanna go back to sea![swg]

Had a chance to check out the posts and see that Ted has 'asked for me.' Nice to be wanted! Nothing more to it than what I posted. I believe the request was for anyone who had some thoughts on the topic to send me an email . . . Not to worry, some guys have responded and when I get a chance, I'll put together a paragraph or two and make sure you get included in the distribution! Thanks for asking.

Well, it took 14 innings last night, but the Mets fell 2-1 in 14 innings to San Diego on the left coast. I see your Red Birds are doing well and taking care of business in their new digs. I used to want to see a game in every stadium - once upon a time - now I'm lucky to get to see a handful of games in a season. Ain't geting old just grand[?][swg]

We're going to have to put together a "primer" for Wolfman on baseball terminolgoy. However, I'm sure HE knows what HE's talking about![swg] Way to go, Pete - going to a major league baseball game is all part of our "plot" to Americanize you!<grin>

No camera for you! A pity, my bet is that train you described would've been just right for a Sunday pix post! Happens.


Ok Tom, I'm about as full as one can get, so it's time for me to walk it off!

Enjoy what's left of this weekend - I'll give it a try too. BTW - what's the "surprise" for Monday[?][?][?]


Until the next time!

Lars

[West Coast S]

Ok Tom, time to wake up the joint


Southern serves the south indeed and no better example exist then Bladwin 2-8-2 #4501, the first of 170 delivered begaining in 1911, 4501 toiled her career working the branch lines out of Princeton IN. She was rebuilt with a super heater, steel pilot and two stage air pumps sometime in the twenties. 4501 was retired at Princeton IN in 1949 but her final fate was not the scrapper, the Kentucky & Tennessee Railway headquartered out of Stearns, KY purchased the well maintained Mikado for the paultry sum of six thousand dollars, including spare parts.

Southern moved the 4501 to Stearns KY were K&T shop forces renumbered her #12 and added footboard pilots. She was in good company, two 2-8-0's of Southern orgin were also rostered. She assumed the mudane chore of hauling coal out of the hills. As steam faded, she and her sisters gained fame as some of the last steam in regular operation anywhere in the US, it was too good to last. In 1964 the K&T purchased three ex-D&RGW Alco switchers to replace the steam fleet. K&T offered all three to whoever would perserve them, scrapping was not an option. That same year the Tennesee Valley RR museum was founded, a group was sent to inspect and ascertain purchasing the #12, a price of five thousand dollars was agreed upon and prior to moving the engine to its new home, members reinstalled the steel pilot, removed the doghouse from tender and the crowing touch, restoration on its orginal number and Southern Lettering. Now owning the engine, how would it be transported to Chattanooga? Under steam of course, Southern agreed to permit operation as long as it cold pass inspection.

Upon arrival at the TVRM she waited until 1966 for her public debut after undergoing extensive rebuilding , She was restored to Southern standards in all respects except, at the suggestion of TRAINS magazine editor David P Morgan a coat of Virgin Green passenger colors were applied and was only done after much turmoil among the restoration crew. She powered a round trip Richmond VA excursion on the N&W over July 4th 1966 with a twelve car heavyweight consist. Southern and N&W were impressed by the attention displayed by the public and railroad employess. Southern Railway quickly reaquired the 2-8-0's that still resided at stearns and established a excursion program with all three locomotives alternating trips.

Hands down 4501 was the favorite, she traveled offline often in the late sixties and early seventies, venturing to WI. for the annual circus train and as diverse as a powering Rock Island excursion from Chicago to Blue Island and return, normally she stayed closer to home on the Southern rural branch from Manassas to richmond with timetable regularity, ever the favorite. With the merger and the rebuilding of the big engines #611 and #1218 4501 retreated to a semi-retired existence, too small for the large excursion trains now operated, she stayed on museum property pulling sort hauls to Lookout Mountain. She was out out service 1983 to 1991 due to a flue sheet failure incurred during her final excursion on the NS. 1994 was the 25th anniversary of the steam program and NS gave advance notice that 4501 was requested to help with the celebrations. The TVRM quickly pulled her from the dead line and with NS help restored her once again to operation. During the event she pulled several charter specials and pitched in on some mainline duty when 611 was tardy with a connecting train from Alanta, she required the addition of two GP38's to help move this 32 car consists, over Racoon Mountain grade. During the assult on the grade one of the GP38's shut down, providing a unforgettable sight as she tackled the grade at seven miles per hour, all the while trying to avoid a stall with the johnson bar forward and sand flying. The events highlight was the tripple header with 1218 & 611 to Kings Tenneesse where she cut off, wyed and proceeded back to Chatanooga with the museums heavyweight equiptment.

NS shut down the steam program in October 1994, the 1218 and 611 were to be returned to Roanoke to be stuffed and mounted. 4501 returned to Chatanooga facing an uncertain future, she pulled several local excursions on private rails until 1999 when her flue sheet failed yet again. The decision was made to semi-retire the 4501 to concertrate all resources to the 710 a Southern 2-8-0 that was also sold and recovered from the K&T. 710 is expected to be completed this year. 4501 still sleeps but I have a notion that she will one day once again grace the rails in a flash a steam and Virgina green, proclaiming to all her proud Southern heritage.

Dave

[LoveDomes]

Hiya Kapitan Tom!!

What's that they say about the "best layed plans"[?] Mine have gone straight to the dickens today . . . what a baaaaaaaad day for the LoveDomes man![tdn]

So, on that happy note - broil one of those 2" Angus sirloins for me, willya[?] And a pitcher of Schaefer and a round for the house! Ohhhhhhhh, there ain't anyone here. Ok - put the cash in the "Lars Box!" I'd take a "free lunch" on Dave, but I'm not sure what "dimension" this guy is operating in![swg]

Some nice SP stuff over on your "other thread," but no takers as I can tell. Not even the West Coast guy. Reading will get ya every time!<grin>

So, where was i[?] I really had hoped to "take the bar" for ya today. No kdding. Really was ready to "do it," then the bottom dropped out for me in personal matters. Nothing catastrophic, just a bunch of "nits" that would drive a sane man crazy, and a crazy man, crazier. Get the point[?]

Nice spate of ENCORES! from you, Tom - as usual. I see that Rob & Doug "chipped in" with theirs. Every little bit helps to keep this idea going.

Well, I gotta skeedaddle - sorry! But life must go on (and on!)

Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

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first Posted on page 200

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #50

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Southern Railway (SOU) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . THE SOUTH

Suits to a “T”

WHY has an average of one new factory a day located
along the lines of the Southern Railway System during the past three years?

Because industries are discovering that the South served by the Southern is a “gold mine of opportunity”! With a wealth of natural resources and advantages, expanding consumer markets, skilled and willing workers . . . and a bright future . . . the South suits all industries – to a “T”.

Look Ahead – Look South!” Earnest E. Norris, President.

SOUTHERN RAILWAY SYSTEM

The Southern Serves the South


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


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[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!


I see a few Posts requiring acknowledgment on this ENCORE! Saturday at the “Feast or Famine” bar ‘n grill![swg]


barndad Doug
Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 21:07:50

Enjoyed the Pix and writeup on that Pullman car, Isabella![tup]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 23:58:50, 22 Apr 2006 00:04:47 & 00:12:28

Appreciate the late nite visit, Count Robulla! and those Ads look just fine![tup] Couldn’t enlarge ‘em, though, but there was sufficient graphics detail to do justice to your efforts![tup]


barndad Doug
Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 06:06:52

Appreciate the ENCORE! of the Milwaukee Super Domes![tup]


Theodorebear Ted
Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 10:10:59

Ah, the return of the Bear! Sorry that the ‘puter Gremlins are at work (again!) Seems to be somewhat equally spread across our customer base – all kinds of “reports” of difficulties. So far, so good for me – but every now ‘n then things seem to slow down to a crawl . . . I just log out and try again.

Your reference to Count Robulla was intended for Rob, I believe. But here’s the first appearance of the term on the Thread, back on page 284:

QUOTE: siberianmo
Posted: 24 Mar 2006, 11:46:15

Rob "Count Robulla" has gone back to his nocturnal ways and looks as if we'll be without him during daylight for awhile. Received your Email and responded ... Thanx![tup][ Appreciate the Posts and your Index is g-r-o-w-i-n-g!! What that means is you are "loaded" for many ENCORE! Saturdays to come.[swg]

Hope this helps . . .

Speaking of Bah-ston, those B&M RDCs coming into North Station from 3 of four points were great fun! Mine was a rather fast commute from Melrose, but still loved the experience and still remember those days very fondly.[tup]


pwolfe Pete
Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 12:44:53

Glad you enjoyed your night at the “old ballpark!” It’s always fun, especially when the Cubs are in town.

While you were at Union Station, I’ll bet you had no idea how close you were to one of our best “Irish Pubs” in the region. Yup – Maggie O’Briens is located on the same side of Market Street as Union Station, just on the opposite corner (north). I’ve spent a wee bit of time and a whole bunch of money in that place many, many decades ago. They opened up just about the time I arrived in the area (1977ish) and it was “instant love!”[swg]

Very happy to know that the RR BOOK RELAY! made it to Jefferson City, MO![tup] Take your time with it – there is no ru***o return it. Please ship me an Email once you put it in the mail. Thanx![TUP]


West Coast S Dave
Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 13:26:40

Back, but only for a short time, eh[?] Gathered you are “off again!” Sure glad those daze are long gone and over for Moi.[tdn] Got old rather fast . . . me and the job![swg]

Wondering about your comments – not criticizing – just wondering. Seems that you are somewhat “behind the times” in making reference to some of the guys “stuff.” Are you getting the MOST CURRENT INFO on the Thread’s pages[?] I ask you this because several guys have mentioned experiencing some difficulty lately.

For example: CM3 hasn’t been anywhere – so no need for a “welcome back.” Lars hasn’t Posted anything on the Alaska RR in quite awhile, etc.

Also appears the comments for Rob ‘n Doug were equally “dated.” Only thing that came up “positive” was the WP for Tuesday![swg] So, WHAT is it that you are drinking[?][?]

Check out "my other Thread" on this Forum - you may be interested!!

Hey boyz, - the man is buying lunch! Any takers on this ENCORE! Saturday[?]



Okay, Gents – I’m not planning on returning, unless the Posts justify it. Don’t worry – the place is OPEN and ready for your order![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


BE SMARTER, use the “Reload/Refresh” as soon as you get to ”Our” Place It’s the only way to get the most current Posts!

[pwolfe]

Hey Doug,

Pete just had me watch and listen to the link to the Animusic clip. Way Cool! Thanks! Laura (Peter's Bride....)

[West Coast S]

Encore Saturday Tom, I have returned from the legion of the lost, looks like i'm going to spring camp with local and federal law enforcement. Two weeks on the edge of nowhere doing who know's what should prove exciting. Hopefully i'll get the chance to do some abandoned railroad studies, as several narrow guage lines once flurished in the Mt. Montgomery Area of the Sierra range. You know what they say about all work no play!!

Coffee please, then i'll get to the responses::

TrolleyBoy:: The RG PAB is not the only survivor in a sense, several years ago a PB3 B unit was discovered in Brazil, deep at the bottom of a gorge as a result of a derailment. True, beyond salvage most likely.
UP still finds a use for the converted unit and has pledged to perserve it when no longer needed.

Barndad:: Appreciate the modeling input, I have the idea of a wood core, with indvidually applied sections of sheathing to replacate the roof sheets, has to be thin and mallable, copper sheet comes to mind.


Lovedomes:: Gotta love em' The Alaska RR had a virtual plethora of domes of ACF, Budd, Pullamn orgin aquired second hand from such roads as the NP,UP and CB&Q, Amtrak has nothing on diversity!!

CM3: Welcome back!! Good to see an old aquaintance once again in our midst. Looking forward to your postings.


Tom.. WP Tuesday it is, Poor WP, the unwanted stepchild among western carriers but what style and grace while it was with us. Now, only the memories remain for us who where there.

Well, don't have anything new to add, so i'll check in from time to time to see how the day is going.

Lunch on me for all who attend until 16:30PST, enjoy!!

Dave

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 200


PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #49

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific (UP) from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.



”Wonder World”

OF SOUTHERN UTAH * ARIZONA

BRYCE CANYON

NATIONAL PARK

To visit Bryce is like entering a strange, new world. The rainbow-hued, fantastic stone shapes are mysterious, enchanting.

See Bryce, together with Utah’s Zion and Arizona’s Grand Canyon National Parks, on one memorable motor bus tour. Make this area your vacation destination or stop over en route to or from Los Angeles.

Union Pacific will take you to Cedar City, Utah – gateway to the Parks – in air conditioned comfort.

UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD
Road of the Streamliners


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


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[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.

A mug of the fine coffee this sunny morn please.

We left earlier than I thought we were yesterday to go to St Louis. As the ladies wanted to look around Union station. Some times the coincidences at Our Place are strange [alien]. We had a bit to eat at a restaurant at Union station and on coming out The Union Pacific Classic train had arrived including a Dome car in the consist, which was a theme at Our Place yesterday with TOM"s list of the different names and LARS photos and details [tup].
The locos hauling the train were UP's E of F[?] diesels their numbers were 949, 951 and 963. The only down side was that in going to see them I made us miss the Bat- Off( I was in a bit of bother over that one), and of course no camera[sigh].
It was a good game if a bit one sided but in Albert Pujoles there is a player who even oppostion fans want to see bat, a great player indeed[bow] and it was good to see Jim Edmonds get a home run. I have a [?] about some other locos that I saw from the Ball-park I will save it for Monday.

As I say a good day at the Bar yesterday with some great posts as well as Tom and Lars domes. AL's post on the PENNSY Parlour cars. ROBS Classic Steam on the Algoma mining line. I do enjoy those frieght line histories and at least it seems most of this one is still operational and making a profit[tup].
The Classic Diesel touches on a subject that is sometimes overlooked that of train heating( I cannot ever recall seeing an article in the UK mags on the origin and the early daysof steam heating there. There are a couple of unique diesel locos that were saved in the UK owing to them being kept, after other members of the class had been scrapped, to pre- heat cars.
I am willing to bet a few years down the line they will regret demolishing the roundhouse, it is a real shame especially as it managed to survive until fairly recently [:(].
Thanks for the Classic Ads Encores too[tup].

DOUG. I'm not too sure about the look of the stramlined class G she seems a bit too tall for her length, but there can be no doubt about the style and luxury of the Pullman Isabella[wow].
Many thanks for the link to that musical videoplay it really is wonderful and I do hope the regulars give it a play it is well worth it.[tup][tup][tup].

CM3 Thanks for clearing up the Whittemore loco [?] for me .Impressive list of rr models on the link[wow]. Glad you liked the pics I will try to put in a couple of NE shots tomorrow[tup].

TED. Glad to see you in this Saturday[tup]. Another Our Place Coincidence as I write this The Book as arrived in the post.( the dog always lets me know when the mail arrives). Many thanks Ted.[tup] Look forward to reading your comments on it.

TOM. Yes I was confusing the Broadway Limited with the Empire Builder[D)] it was still a great Pennsy Ad.
Thanks for the LV and the British Railways Encores[tup]. The BR flag on the ad must have been used for only a short while as I cannot recall seeing it before.

I had better have another cup of coffee( I was drinking Sam Adams Summer Ale yesterday) .[^]and get the pics transferred for tomorrow before I look at the book PETE.

[Anonymous]

Good mornin' everyone, I really need to barge in at page 310 as there are so many posts on the May 21, 22 pages that they require at least 2 responses. Tom, I'm about "coffeed out" for this a.m., so I'll opt for a tumbler of O.J. and a plain Danish please. "So many posts, so little time:" thus begins my etrernal quest for seeking "current status" with contemporary news and data input. It didn't help that yesterday, I was unable to sign into "Our" Place, no matter how often I tried.[V] All I could retrieve was your other thread "passenger trains." That has never happened before; it's kinda scary.[:O]

In no particular order, let me make mention and forward thanks to Mike, for his timely, "on topic" URL links; Lars for his passion for Domes shared in common with Tom; Pete for sharing great pix and prose on U.K. steam; Doug's "hard core" delivery on all "train tech."; BK with his keen insight on many diverse matters; Al, who never disappoints for needed data; CM3, who's superb timing always "saves the day;" Dave and the concise data on S.P., P.E., W.P, and " all points West;" Nick who runs a tight galley and loose levity; Rob imparts expertise on the widest fields of trains and traction. To these and so many previously who have made browsing this thread a privalege [bow], [bow], [bow]![^]

BK, best wishes for a very happy life together and congratulations on making such a wise decision. Hey Doug, it's a "dead heat" between your train wreck articles and great jokes. Seriously, the detailed articles e.g. manual, vacuum, and pneumatic, locomotive bells, are "what I always wanted to know but was afraid to ask." Lars, I'm not ignoring your suggestions on relieving the load on the proprietor, send an e-mail, okay? CM3, your reminder of the B & M North Station fell in-line with Tom's Encore and brought a "lump to my throat" also. My commute from Beverly to Boston (summer 1959) was sheer pleasure. Doug, I gotta say the "shots" of the Milwaukke Road streamlined steam reminded me of my least favorite railroad era, "transition."[V] The shrouds were appropriate enough but only for the mourning of dying steam. I was delighted to see the new diesels in preference to steamer clones. Rob, in my scanning efforts in the "lost and found" (previous posts), I wasn't able to find reference to "Count Robulla." Perhaps you could guide me to the page? I'm pretty much at "the end of my tether" for further review, gasp! Already it's 11:00 a.m. and I've been at this since 6:30. As most of you know the old adage "all things in moderation..." is gospel with me, so let this entry stand for now. I'll return later and hopefully at least reach the latest wake of this vessel. Happy rails for now....see ya's anon.

[siberianmo]

ENCORE! Saturday - ENCORE! Saturday
first Posted on page 199


PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #48

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the British Railways from a 1949 advertisement in my personal collection.

For your BRITISH ISLES Holiday



USE THE COMPLETE SERVICES OF BRITISH RAILWAYS

. . . . . Our trains mean pleasant, easy day or night service to every corner of Britain.

Railway-operated channel steamer services to Ireland and the Continent assure you
comfortable accommodations and convenient connections.

. . . . . 45 hotels throughout Britain associated with British Railways invite you to pause
. . . . . on your tour or business trip, for relaxation, sports and enjoyment of their
. . . . . traditional hospitality.

STAY LONGER * SEE MORE! 25% REDUCTION IN TOUR FARES

By planning ahead the many places throughout Britain you wi***o visit, you can effect a considerable saving by the individual tour fares granted by British Railways to visitors from overseas.

. . . . . Write for YOUR free copies . . . . .

”WHAT, NO ICE?” – written especially for Americans planning to visit us; as well as the full-color map folder, ”THE BRITISH ISLES” both free upon request to Dept. 25 at any of the offices shown below.

For tickets, reservations and authoritative travel information on the British Isles

CONSULT YOUR LOCAL TRAVEL AGENT or any British Railways office:

NEW YORK 20, N. Y., 9 ROCKEFELLER Pl.
CHICAGO 3, ILL, 39 So. Lasalle St.
LOS ANGELES 14, CAL., 510 W. 6th St.
TORONTO, ONT., 69 Yonge Street

BRITISH RAILWAYS


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)][oX)]


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[siberianmo]

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first Posted on page 162

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:

Lehigh Valley Railroad (LV)

Headquarters: New York

Mileage in 1950: 1,254

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 210

Rolling stock in 1950:

Freight cars: 10,835
Passenger cars: 0

Principal routes in 1950:

Jersey City & New York City-Wilkes Barre, PA-Buffalo & Niagra Falls, NY (PRR tracks between Newark & Penn Station, NY)
Mountain Top-Pittston Jct., PA, via Avoca
Sayre, PA-Fair Haven, NY
Van Etten-Ithaca-Geneva, NY
Geneva-Auburn, NY
Ithaca-Canastota, NY
Rochester-Hemlock, NY
Sayre-Elmira & Horseheads, NY
Penn Haven Jct.-Hazleton-Mt. Carmel, PA
Towanda-Bernice, PA
South Plainfield-Perth Amboy, NJ

Passenger trains of note:

Black Diamond (New York City & Philadelphia-Detroit)
Maple Leaf (New York City-Toronto, ON)
The Star (New York City-Buffalo)
Asa Packer (New York City-Pittston & Hazleton)
The John Wilkes (New York City-Pittston & Hazleton)


Enjoy! [tup]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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[siberianmo]

from: www.viarail.ca

We open at 6 AM. (All time zones - Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS


Weekend time, once again! Begin it with pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery, perhaps an order from our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast, and of course a least one mug of our freshly brewed coffee![tup]


Daily Wisdom

Poor is having to sell the horse to buy a saddle.


Info for the Day:

Railroads from Yesteryear – Western Pacific (WP) arrives Tuesday!


* Weekly Calendar:

TODAY: Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite! – and –
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Comedy Corner

Yarns from the Barn
(from barndad Doug’s Posts)


[:I] A duck walks into a bar one day at lunch time. He orders a beer and a ham sandwich. After several days of the same lunch order the bartender says "Never saw a duck eat lunch in here before." The duck replies, "Well get used to it. I'm working on the construction job across the street."
A few days later the circus comes to town and the ringmaster comes into the bar for lunch. The bartender tells him about the talking duck that drinks beer and eats sandwiches. The ringmaster asks the bartender to send the duck down to the circus for a job.
The next day the duck comes in and the bartender tells him about the job offer. The duck looks surprised and asks "The circus is where animals do tricks inside a big tent right?" The bartender agrees. The duck asks, "What the hell would they need with a drywaller?" [:I]


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The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre

NOW SHOWING:

Double Features and Three Stooges Short Subject!

. . . Sunday, April 16th thru 22nd: The Molly Macquires (1970) starring: Sean Connery, Richard Harris & Samantha Eggers – and – It Happened to Jane (1959) starring: Doris Day, Jack Lemmon & Ernie Kovacs. SHORT: Punch Drunks (1934).

COMING ATTRACTIONS:

. . . Sunday, April 23rd thru Apr 29th: Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969) starring: Paul Newman, Robert Redford & Kathy Ross –and- The Sting (1973) starring: Paul Newman, Robert Redford & Robert Shaw. SHORT: Men In Black (1934).



SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks


(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 05:23:53 (310) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 05:42:35 (310) Barnyard Yarn: RR History – R&LHS, etc. & joke!

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 07:39:12 (310) PRR Streamliner parlor cars

(4) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 08:20:37 (310) Inclusive Post

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 08:36:26 (310) Acknowledgments, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 12:05:32 (310) Dome Names

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 12:23:20 (310) Something Special Ad

(8) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 14:17:22 (311) Lars Report & DOMES!

(9) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 15:21:28 (311) Inclusive Post, etc.

(10) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 15:48:06 (311) Classic Diesels #18 – Diesels Conversions, Pt I

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 16:40:43 (311) Acknowledgments, etc.

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 19:51:00 (311) Dome Pix!

(13) barndad Doug Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 21:07:50 (311) Pullman Pix, joke, etc.

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 21 Apr 2006, 23:58:50 (311) Count Robulla sez!

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 00:04:47 (311) Classic Ads #7 – CP

(16) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 22 Apr 2006, 00:12:28 (311) ENCORE! Saturday – CN




That’s it! [tup][;)]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! Nice to see the Rob has been here to clean up a bit, and hang some classic ads on the walls. Nice Touch! Looks like it rained here last night, which is just the way I like it. Rain during the night, and not during the day. That's how I'd do it if I were in charge!

Sure wish I could join the Rendevous this year Tom, but we just have too much going on here. More than we even imagined really. Hey ...we actually got a call from the people who are building our new home, and have a meeting set-up for this Tuesday to make all the optional structural selections, like glass in the windows, and such.

Here's my ENCORE for today ...and y'all have a good one!

Milwaukee Super Domes from the Feb. 1953 BLF&EM magazine



America’s first all-dome railroad cars, built for the Milwaukee Road by Pullman-Standard Car Manufacturing Company, were placed into service on the Olympian Hiawatha January 1. They are the first dome cars of any kind to operate through the Northwest. Six of the ten Super Dome cars are assigned to the Olympian Hiawatha, the Milwaukee, St. Paul, Minneapolis, Seattle and Tacoma, while four more will go into service on the Morning Hiawatha and the Afternoon Hiawatha, daytime streamliners between Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Minneapolis.

The Super Domes are operated in conjunction with the Milwaukee Road’s famed Sky Top lounge-observation cars and permit more passengers to view the scenic wonders of the Pacific Northwest. The full-length observation-dome section provides foam rubber cushioned seats for 68 passengers and were built to provide unobstructed view through curved glass window sections measuring more than three feet wide and five feet high. Glass in the dome section covers 625 square feet, more then 3 ½ times the glass found in the conventional dome car.

In the lower level, there is a dining and lounge section seating 28 persons where beverages and light snacks may be ordered from the all-electric stainless steel kitchen. To provide adequate headroom the dining and lounge section had been sunk below the usual floor level of standard type passenger cars. Passageways have been installed on the lower level to permit passengers to walk the entire length of the car without having to go through the dining-lounge section to reach other cars in the train. Stairways have been provided at both ends of the car which also enable passengers to walk the full length of the car through the dome section.

Engineering-wise the new Super Dome cars are unique in many respects, for with the dining and lounge section sunk below the usual floor level of standard passenger cars, ad the top of the dome 15 ½ feet above the rails, it was necessary to make an important departure in the location of all air conditioning and power equipment. This equipment is located in two compact compartments, above the trucks, at each end of the car. Equipment compartments are accessible from the outside, for maintenance at regular division stops, or from the inside for inspection en route. Compartment doors outside the car are large enough so that power plants can be rolled out for servicing and maintenance.

Fuel tanks, water tanks, steam traps, air line equipment and other fittings are carried on the underside of the depressed center portion of the car in the compact arrangement. Revolutionary air conditioning systems, with double the cooling capacity of present day passenger cars, also were designed for the Super Domes. Each of the double-decked, glass-roofed cars has refrigeration equipment that could produce twenty tons of ice a day. This compares with seven to eight tons of cooling capacity for standard sleepers and coaches.

One of the most interesting new features of the heating and cooling system is two Solar Discs, located outside the dome section on the car’s roof. These small gadgets supplement the regular thermostatic controls to offset the greater susceptibility of the car’s interior to changes in outside temperatures due to the large expanse of glass in the dome section. These interesting devices lower the temperature setting of the thermostats automatically to offset the heat from the sun, and when a cloud blacks out the sun the Solar Discs immediately call for more heat to keep the car comfortable. Steam from the locomotive is used to heat the cars.

Overhead air ducts provide heat in the dome and lounge sections on cool days and, when the temperatures drop, heat is supplied by floor unit-fin radiators. In the dome section this heat radiates upward through wall panels and through wall panels and through openings in the window ledge to provide protection against the cold wall effect of car sides and windows. With the upper level of the car floored eight feet, eight inches above the rail combined with a lower level nestled in between the front and rear trucks only 23 inches above the rail, an entirely new approach to underframe construction was necessary, and rugged one-piece cast steel underframe ends over 24 feet in length were used.



A new six-wheel truck also was developed, the largest ever built for a railroad passenger car. A unique feature of this truck is its outside spring suspension whereby the large combination truck center bolster is supported on outside bolster coil springs. The trucks were designed for high speed passenger train service. Each car contains radio loud speakers, both in the dome and lounge sections, and a public address system to be used for making train announcements.

The color scheme of the interior, lighting, carpeting, upholstery, and all conveniences of the Super Dome cars were designed by Milwaukee Road officials working in collaboration with Pullman-Standard’s color and design studios in keeping with the territory to be served by the equipment. The exteriors carry the familiar Milwaukee Road standard colors – harvest orange and royal maroon.

[:I] Feudalism: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.

Communism: You have two cows. You must take care of them, but the government takes most of the milk.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.

Enron Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt-equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred through an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The Enron annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. [:I]

You have to see this to believe it! Absolutely incredible !!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2942922314315974986

[trolleyboy]

Okay since it's now officially Saturday i will leave you with an early encore to get encore saturday started off on the right hoof.[;)][swg]

ENCORE ! ENCORE !

This is an encore of another classic ad in keeping with the last post I made.This is Classic ads #5 a super continental ad from the mid fifties, originally posted on pg 270 though technical difficulties with photobucket made that attempt not work all that well.

Pleas cross fingers and eyes ! [swg]

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Here's one new classic Ad to be added to the classic barn series ( hopefully the photo appears )

CLASSIC ADS # 7 SPANS THE WORLD

This of coarse is the promotional shots of one of Canada's more famous railway slogans from over the years. This would have heralded from the early 50's



Enjoy

Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon is that medium rare extra thick cut ready for me[?] Ah good that and a pitcher of Keith's please.

It has slowed down a tad today but the info is good and definatly on theme which is A okay with me[^]
Doug That's quite the parlour car I must say. I didn't figure that pink plush was an in colour at the time but I guess I'm wrong. Alot of our unterurban cars at the museum have the leaded glass in the upper sashes as well,L&PS * and the M&SC 107 also have stained glass in the upper sashes, Neat picture at any rate.

I do hope Petes had a good day at the game he and Nick were vrey much missed today. Hopefully everyone's in fine form for doing some serious encoring tomorrow[:D] I'l;l be in and out with work but I have a few things in mind.

Rob

[Anonymous]

Evenin' Tom and gents! I'll have several bottomless draughts, as I actually survived this dreaded work week! Drinks are on me fellas, and I have plenty of Michigan quarters to keep the tunes playing for hours! Great listing of PRR Parlor Cars Al. I guess the names are politically correct. Nice Diesel conversion article Rob. Very informative. Lars posted, of all things, pictures and information on dome cars ...imagine that! Tom did his domework [;)] too, and came up with that nifty list of dome car names, and domes are great .. but whatabout a car like this?



The Pullman observation car "Isabella" was built for exhibition at the 1893 Columbian Exposition in Chicago. As described in the Railraod Gazzette, June 8, 1894, the car had "8 sections, an observation room and ladies bath. Exterior was Pullman Umber (brown), red doors and window sash, gold leaf trim. Interior: Empire design with mahogany and vermillion wood, gilded trim, pink plush upholstery; upper windows, tinted leaded glass." In 1893, the car was renamed "Pacific" and in 1901 carried slain Pres. William McKinley from Buffalo to Washington, the to Canton, Ohio. Pullman neg. 3090

This will be a busy weekend for me, as the wife is taking an exam in the morning, and then I spend tomorrow buying a lawnmower and paint, and then spend the next two days using my new toys! I've got some Sunday pix all ready for ya'll, but may have to post them late in the day. Hope you understand!

[:I] A man walks into a bar, sits down on a bench and orders a cold one. He swigs down the beer, looks in his pocket, cringes and orders another. He gulps down that one, looks in his pocket again, cringes and orders yet another one. This goes on for at least an hour and a half.
Finally the bartender, bursting with curiosity, says, "I know it's none of my business buddy, but I have to ask. Why the whole "drink, look in pocket, cringe and order another one" routine?"
"Well," slurred the man, "There's a picture of my wife in my pocket. When she starts to look good, then it's time for me to go home." [:I]

Yes Tom, I certainly did notice that my "jokes" are being recycled. Are you trying to chase away all the customers, or trying to save money that should be spent on an exterminator?

[siberianmo]

G'day!

We've been featuring DOMES over on "my other Thread!" Here's a sample, B4 I check out for the nite . . .


VIA Rail #8708 Kootenay Park (courtesy: www.trainweb.org)



Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day!

Around the "Hit 'n Miss" or "Feast or Famine" bar 'n grill, one never knows what to expect OTHER than some truly interesting and educational material. Today has been one of "those days" where the flow, while a bit limited, has been "right on!" Congrats to all (including Moi) for keeping to the "theme" of "Our" Place - which of course is Classic Trains! [tup][tup][tup]

Lars That was a great idea to compliment my submission with the Dome article! Really makes for a good fit.[tup][tup][tup]

Rob I'll say this about you - for a guy who professes to NOT being "into" Classic Trains you surely cudda fooled me![swg] Nice work with the info regarding the heater cars, etc. You are so correct, I'd say the railroads did a great job at being ahead of the pack when it came to getting the most life out of their equipment. And why not[?] The costs would gag a healthy maggot (a "siberianmoism" . . . .) [swg]

This has been "communications day" at my Haus - whether it be phone, E-mail, this Thread or snail mail, I've been quite busy trying to stay abreast of it all. And here I thought no one cared! [swg]<grin>

A day without Wolfman Pete![?] Hmmmmmm - if memory serves me correctly, I think this is the night he and his bride are going to be here in St. Louis attending the Cards vs Cubs game. So, he'll be drinking from a different sort of container tonight and of course, sitting in a seat other than on his Reserved Stool! Enjoy the game - or as you Brits like to say, "Match!" It should be a good one as the rivalry goes back many, many years. Unlike some of the "Rowdies" we've read about from GB & the Continent, there shouldn't be fear of a rampage through the streets once the game ends . . . [swg] It's only 1 of 162 games!<groan>

Okay - so it's Friday nite - this is supposed to be a "biggie" 'round the joint. The BEST - by far - pizzas in the land - the BEST - by far - steaks grilled to near-perfection. So, where are the hordes of customers[?] Sure, we can depend on the track gangs, they are ALWAYS ready to devour everything and anything in sight that isn't "wiggling." [swg] But we used to have a clientele who enjoyed our bill o' fare . . . .

REMINDER: Leon the Night Man takes the bar at 9 PM (Central)!


Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Well I figure that I'll drop a bit of dinner hour reading into your laps this evening. Since I've hit everyone with alot of Classic steams lately, I figure that it's time to satrt a multipart series of Classic diesel stuff again.

CLASSIC DIESELS # 18 DIESEL CONVERSIONS PT 1

Ever wonder what happens to diesel locomotives when they become to old and therfore expensive to rebuild ? In many cases they are scrapped, however allot of times the railroads find other uses for them and squeeze a few more years and a few more dollars out of them. I feel that the railroads are the first recyclers of the world.

Heater Cars

In the early yeasr of passenger trains, passenger cars were most often heated with individual stoves, a ready sorce of ignition and fires in the early days of railway operations.In the 1880's the stove began to slowley give way to steam heat piped straight from the locomotive. In 1890 the Milwaukee Road built a pair of electric-light-and-heat tenders for their Pioneer Limited, as the small 4-4-0's they used for power on the train didn't have enough steam capacity to heat the cars that way, and underframe generators wern't small of efficient enough at the time to electrically heat the cars independantly. The heat tenders carried small coal fired boilers inside and a steam driven dynamo to produce light and heat for the passenger cars.

The next railway to pick up on this was the Great Northern they had four heater cars built by the St Louis car Co in 1928. they were 40 feet long and looked like a short baggage car. These cars were used in the electrified terrotories and therefore drew their power from the electric locomotives thus they had no boiler. GN built a few more boxcar type versions in the 1940's with boilers finally replacing them in the early 60's with less manpower intensive semi-automated cars built from retired diesel locomotives

The first such cars were rebuilt from retired surplus F3B's and F9B's cars 10-19 which were equiped with steam generators for passenger trains. The prime mover was replaced by two 4500 p per hour steam geberators a 220v GM diesel generator to run them and a 12,000 gallon water tank. the cars were mu controllable and saw systrem wide use on passenger trains equiped with steam heat cars.

When Amtrak was formed they bought cars 10-15 ( renumbered amtrak 1910-1915 ).BN kept the others for their business train and speacial passenger runs though Amtrak often rented them these were all retired once Amtrak went to HEP heat on all their passenger trains.

VIA Rail also used similar built cars of CNR parentage these were custom built by MLW into an express reefer body however. CPR did convert three Cliner B units to mobile heater cars for use on the Dominion as well.

The only other major locomotive conversion was by the D&RGW for use on the ski train. They took an old Alco PB1 placed it on emd blomberg trucks and set up a sinmillayly equiped heater car to teh GN ones. They also used a converted locomotive tender as an auxillery steam heat car. Both were retired in 1988 when they purchased the electrically heated tempo train cars for this train from VIA rail.


Rob

[trolleyboy]

Good afternoon Tom ( it's rainy so the suns not causing me grief )[8D][:o)] I think I'll just nab a blue in your honour this aft an pull up my chair beside your throne. Just wondering why you have Tex and Awk both chained to it[?] Oh and to answer the next question on your mind no I haven't made it up to the attic yet. After we chatted on the phone I found the honey-do list I had been ignoring for a while under my coffee cup.[8] I'm guessing it wasn't there as a coaster[:I]
Fine list o domecar names and owners that you put forth there, that's quite the compilation,I see that it already has been lars approved [tup][:D]
I had forgot that her majesty was turning the big 80 today. Goes to show that a shot of gin a day does wonders for the complexion[:I]


CM3 I'm glad that the AER post caught your eye and approval, I figured that you would "dig" it[;)][:o)][:I] That was quite the url site that you posted as well. It will take me a bit to dig through it as well. I've noticed that our gas prices here have steadied at $1.07 a litre [tdn][:(!]

Doug glad you got a good read out of the AER as well. Liked the streamlining article you've put forth today. I have to say though that I too thought the picture was a toy till I got a good look at it.Guess my glasses are worse than I thought. Coarse following along with your joke of the day, I had an uncle that always said of politicians that you can exactly tell when one's lying, his lips are moving[:p][:D][:I]

Sir lars Ah the lone bookend has bestowed upon us another fine piece of information on the rail cars of his dreams. I like the interior shot,I'm guessing that it's you in the photograph[:D] PS don't tell the Braves fans that you are in first place they may pout and fold thier tents earlier than usual this season.[swg]

Al What can I say, heeee's back two data dumps in two days. Good stuff as per always,I'm guessing the boss will get a charge out of them.[tup]

[LoveDomes]

G’day Kapitan Tom and fellow travelers at the bar!


It just occurred to me that my baseball team has the best record in the game – as of this post. Of course, it is all subject to change. But to realize that the New York Mets have jumped out to such a fine start is indeed, startling![tup][swg]


Barkeep, set ‘em up if you please and I’ll take a JD on the rocks. Here’s a ten spot for the “Lars Box.”[tup]


Hey Tom that’s quite a listing of my favorite information – DOMES! Man, that’s quite an impressive array. Whoever did that deserves at least a toast! Cheers![tup][tup][tup]


Another quiet day after a flurry of activity this morning, which is pretty much the pattern lately, huh[?] Actually, that’s not so bad – at least you don’t have to check the thread during these times. And so what if someone does post – it’s not an “instant messenger” type thing. Responses will come – ultimately.[tup]


Again, nice posts from Rob – Doug ‘n Coal-what’s-his-face-no-I’m-not-Shane! Now that’s a mouthful, huh[?][swg]


Looks like we’re going to have a rainy weekend – but it is a glorious spring day today. Have some outside activity to finish up, so I best get to it. Hope to join you over the weekend.



B4 checking out, here’s something for all who appreciate DOMES!


Dome car

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: www.wikipedia.com



A dome car owned by the Santa Fe Railroad in the 1950s. (from: www.trainweb.com)

A dome car is a type of railroad passenger car that can include features of a lounge car, dining car and an observation. Its primary feature is a glass dome on the top of the car where passengers can ride and see in all directions around the train.

Configuration

A portion of the car, usually in the center of the car, is split between two levels, with stairs leading both up and down from the train's regular passenger car floor level. The lower level of the dome usually consisted of a small lounge area, while the upper portion was usually coach or lounge seating within a "bubble" of glass on the car's roof. Passengers in the upper portion of the dome were able to see in all directions from a vantage point above the train's roofline.


The interior of a dome configured as a diner (Creative Commons)

On some dome cars, the lower portion was built as a galley, where car attendants used dumbwaiters to transfer items between the galley and a dining area in the dome portion of the car.

History

The popular story is that the first dome cars in North America were conceived by Western Pacific's President Harry Mitchell. Mr. Mitchell was riding in the cab of one of his railroad's diesel locomotives through the Rockies when he thought that every passenger should be able to see the scenery that is passing by on his railroad's passenger trains. His idea was to provide a full 360-degree view from above the train in newly built "vista-dome" cars. The idea really wasn't too radical as railroad cabooses were often built with a cupola above the car's roofline so the train crew could get a better view of the train, and the Canadian Pacific Railway had used 'tourist cars' with raised, glass-sided viewing cupolas on their trains through the Canadian Rocky Mountains in the 1920s. Modern Vista-dome cars were introduced on the California Zephyr inauguration in 1949.


Auto-Train Dome Car 510 began life on the Sante Fe Railroad. Photo credit www.TrainWeb.com

As dome cars became more common on North American passenger trains, some western railroads purchased or built "superdomes". These were dome cars where the upper level of the car extended for nearly the entire length of the car. Starting in the 1980s, the use of the dome car has become rarer as Amtrak has introduced new bi-level passenger cars that reach the maximum possible height over the length of the car. Dome cars are very popular on tourist railways and private charter rail services.

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Until the next time!

Lars

[siberianmo]

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SOMETHING very SPECIAL arrives on Track #1

MONDAY morning!

Watch for it!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


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[siberianmo]

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DOME NAMES

Ever wonder about the different names applied to passenger cars with domes[?] I have! Check out this list found on www.trainweb.org

These are “generic” names listed in two parts – 1st by name; 2nd by railroad:


BY NAME
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"Astra Domes" – General Motors
"Astra Domes" - UP

"Big Domes" - ATSF full domes
"Big Domes" - Auto Train ex ATSF cars

"Colorados" - Holland America Colorado Railcar "Ultra Domes"

"Dome Cars" - Amtrak
"Dome Cars" - N&W
"Dome Cars" - Southern
"Domeliners" - UP trains with dome cars(generic)
"Domes" - Holland America (generic to differentiate from 'Colorados')

"Goldleaf Domes" - Rocky Mountaineer (honorary)
"Great Domes" - GN

"Hi-Level" or "High-Level" - ATSF "El Cap" lounges(honorary)
"Hi-Level" or "High-Level" - Amtrak ex-ATSF lounges(honorary)

"Lounge in the Sky" - NP rebuilt sleepers
"Luxury Domes" - Transcisco

"Maxi Domes" - Ferrovias Mexicanas ex US baggage cars cars
"Maxi Domes" - Auto Train ex UP cars
"Mini Domes" - Auto Train ex WP cars

"Park" cars - CP Rail observation domes
"Park" cars - VIA Rail observation domes
"Planetarium" dome - IGN
"Planetarium" domes - MP
"Planetarium" dome - T&P
"Pleasure Domes" - ATSF short domes
"Princess Domes" - Amtrak ex Princess Tours cars
"Princess Domes" - Princess Tours ex-MILW cars

"Scenadomes" - Holland America Westours
"Sceneramic Domes" - CN
"Scenic Domes" - CP Rail (all)
"Sightseer Lounges" - Amtrak Superliner lounges(honorary)
"Skyline" cars - CP Rail 'midtrain' domes
"Skyline" cars – VIA Rail 'midtrain' domes
"Skytops" - Milwaukee Road observations(honorary)
"Stairway to the Stars" - SP
"Strata Domes" - B&O
"Sun Lounges" - SAL (honorary)
"Super Domes" - Milwaukee Road

"Turbo Domes" - Amtrak for their UA Turbos
"Turbo Domes" - PC/USDOT (honorary)
"Turquoise Domes" - ATSF short domes(not official)

"Ultra Domes" - Princess Tours ex SP bi-levels

"Vista Domes" - Alaska RR
"Vista Domes" - C&O
"Vista Domes" - CB&Q (orginator of the term)
"Vista Domes" - D&RGW
"Vista Domes" - GN short domes
"Vista Domes" - IC
"Vista Domes" - NP short domes
"Vista Domes" - SCL
"Vista Domes" - SP&S
"Vista Domes" - Wabash
"Vista Domes" - WP


BY RAILROAD
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Alaska RR "Vista Domes"
Amtrak "Dome Cars" for most Heritage cars
Amtrak "Sightseer Lounges" for Superliners(honorary)
Amtrak ex ATSF lounges "Hi-Level" or "High-Level"(honorary)
Amtrak ex Princess Tours cars "Princess Domes"
Amtrak UA Turbos "Turbo Domes"
ATSF full domes "Big Domes"
ATSF short domes "Pleasure Domes"
ATSF short domes(not official) "Turquoise Domes"
ATSF "El Cap" lounges "Hi-Level" or "High-Level"(honorary)
Auto Train ex ATSF cars "Big Domes"
Auto Train ex UP cars "Maxi Domes"
Auto Train ex WP cars "Mini Domes"

B&O "Strata Domes"

CN "Sceneramic Domes"
CP Rail observation domes "Park" cars
CP Rail (all) "Scenic Domes"
CP Rail 'midtrain' domes "Skyline" cars
C&O "Vista Domes"
CB&Q (orginator of the term) "Vista Domes"
CMSP&P "Super Domes"
CMSP&P "Skytops"(honorary)

D&RGW "Vista Domes"

Ferrovias Mexicanas "Maxi Domes"

General Motors "Astra Domes"
GN full domes "Great Dome Lounges"
GN short domes "Great Dome Coaches" & "Vista Domes"

Holland America Westours "Colorados" Colorado Railcar "Ultra Domes"
Holland America Westours "Domes" (generic to differentiate from the ‘Ultra Domes')
Holland America Westours "Scenadomes"

IC "Vista Domes"
IGN "Planetarium" dome

Milwaukee Road "Super Domes"
Milwaukee Road "Skytops"(honorary)
MP "Planetarium" domes

N&W "Dome Cars"
NP rebuilt sleepers "Lounge in the Sky"
NP short domes "Vista Domes"

PC/USDOT (honorary) "Turbo Domes"
Princess Tours ex-MILW cars "Princess Domes"
Princess Tours ex SP bi-levels "Ultra Domes"

Rio Grande "Vista Domes"
Rocky Mountaineer (honorary) "Goldleaf Domes"

Santa Fe full domes "Big Domes"
Santa Fe short domes "Pleasure Domes"
Santa Fe short domes (not official) "Turquoise Domes"
SAL "Sun Lounges"(honorary)
SCL "Vista Domes"
Southern "Dome Cars"
SP "Stairway to the Stars"
SP&S "Vista Domes"

T&P "Planetarium" dome
Transcisco "Luxury Domes"

UP "Astra Domes"
UP trains with dome cars "Domeliners"

Wabash "Vista Domes"
WP "Vista Domes"

VIA Rail observation domes "Park" cars
VIA Rail 'midtrain' domes "Skyline" cars


credit: www.trainweb.org


Enjoy![tup]


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


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[siberianmo]

G’day Gents!


Another end of the week has arrived and let’s all hope for fair weather, “lost Honey-Do lists,” and cold beer throughout – you pick the ordering![swg]


To the acknowledgments:

trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 23:09:20

A fine inclusive Post, m’boy, well done![tup] ‘Tis a pity that those who could use the example hardly ever read the Posts!

The “Throne” is it[?] Hmmmmm, I’ll have to think about that name for my “permanent stool”. . . Perhaps you have the Queen’s 80th Birthday on your mind, eh[?][swg]


trolleyboy Rob
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 23:42:40

And as CMShane3 could attest – mining and railroads, a partnership, fer sure, fer sure! Nice Classic Steam piece on the Algoma Eastern Railway!


barndad Doug
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 05:42:35

Man oh man, that Milwaukee Road 4-6-0 is sure a “funky” looking machine. Almost thought it was a toy when I first viewed the Pix! Interesting story and appreciate your providing it for us![tup][tup]

Jokes[?] Those are jokes[?] Where oh where did I go wrong!![?][?] Argggggggggggggggh. Actually, they say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery (or something like that) so if you’ve been following the daily SUMMARIES[ you’ll note that YOUR efforts are being ENCORED for one and all to gag laugh at![swg]

Are you certain that you cannot make the Toronto Rendezvous[?] You surely would fit right in with all that is expected to go on . . . [tup]


passengerfan Al
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 07:39:12

More streamlined parlor cars and for my favorite RR at that! Appreciate the info. . . . [tup]


coalminer3 CM3
Posted: 20 Apr 2006, 08:20:37

So, isn’t “Athol” an impolite way of referring to another[?]<drumroll>[swg]

Oh fine, ANOTHER web site to gobble up leisure time! <geesh> How’s a guy to goof off when he’s expected to browse the day away[?][swg] Good one![tup]

Thanx for the quarters & round – you can keep the gasoline prices! I have to fill up 2 cars today and expect to pump about 30 gallons. So at $2.80 (rounded) per gallon – go figger! Now that’s serious money where I come from.



Okay boyz, I’ve got some things to attend to, but I expect to be able to “handle” things for the remainder of the day!


Tom [4:-)] [oX)]


BE SMARTER, use the “Reload/Refresh” as soon as you get to ”Our” Place It’s the only way to get the most current Posts!

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox

Gas is at $2.95 this a.m. ‘Nuff said!

The Boradway ad was nice to see.

Pete – Thanks for sharing the pictures of North Station from afar. The new bridge in the foreground of the pictures is part of the Big Dig project – another never-ending source of frustration, although they did name one of the new harbor tunnels for Ted Williams.

You are correct re Manchester. This was the Manchester Locomotive Works located in Manchester, New Hampshire.

Rob. Algoma Eastern – always interested in anything mining.

Barndad – No Athol jokes, please. IIRC, I heard them all from my mom who always said Athol was a “great place to be from.”

Re the MILW; lots of folks think of the 4-4-2s and bigger power on the Hi, but forget about the 4-6-0s. Thanks for bringing them forward.

Al : Again I rode on most of the Senator/Congo cars you mentioned in your list. More than a few of them survived into Amtrak; Johan Printz comes to mind here. BTW, the area Native Americans nicknamed him “Great Tub” because of his girth.

The local news here last night had an interesting piece on a Marx Toy museum in Glen Dale, WV. I’ll get some material together on that for next week’s Pike Perspective.

I’ll close with another website which will keep you occupied for hours. There’s lots of railroad-related material in here. Enjoy!

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/index.htm

work safe

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a quick coffee and one of those crumpets from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Can't belive we are still so busy doing taxes and probably will be up until October.

Thought you might like this on the PRR.

PENNSYLVANIA
Streamlined Parlor Cars
by Al

The PRR received their first lightweight streamlined Parlor cars in 1951 - 1952 from Budd for assignment to the CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS. The new streamlined Budd built CONGRESSIONALS replaced heavyweight trains in this service. Each eighteen car CONGRESSIONAL operated a daily round trip schedule between New York and Washington, so passengers had a choice of two CONGRESSIONALS in each direction daily.
Each consist provided coach seating for 480 passengers and Parlor car seating for 223. Eight of each eighteen car CONGRESSIONALS consist were for the exclusive use of Parlor car passengers only. Five of these cars were 29 revenue seat parlor cars with a 5-seat parlor drawing room. One car in each consist of the CONGRESSIONALS was a seven conference room car with telephone room the seven Conference rooms could be opened up as a boardroom if needed. Bringing up the markers of each CONGRESSIONAL was an 18 seat Parlor Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observation. The CONGRESSIONAL carried a twin-unit dining car ahead of the parlors the first car was a 72-seat dining car trailed by a Kitchen 21 seat Lounge Car. The latter car of the twin unit set was open to Parlor car passengers only.
The SENATORS were Boston - Washington trains operating via PENN station New York and they provided daily service in each direction. The Coach seating capacity of the 14 car SENATORS was 480 passengers and the Parlor seats numbered 116. The SENATORS featured three 29-revenue seat parlor cars with a 5-seat parlor drawing room. The fourth SENATOR Parlor car was the 14-revenue seat Parlor Telephone room Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observation. Each of the Parlor cars was named for famous Americans from the revolutionary period and was assigned to specific trains. Those Parlor cars assigned to the CONGRESSIONALS are identified by © following the name and those built for the SENATORS are identified by (S) following the name.

29 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR 5 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR DRAWING ROOM CARS Budd Company October 1951 - January 1952 Plan: 9526 Lot: 9628 - 110 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS and SENATORS)

7130 CASIMAR PULASKI ©

7131 GENERAL LAYFAYETTE ©

7132 HENRY KNOX ©

7133 JOHAN PRINTZ ©

7134 JOHNS HOPKINS ©

7135 LEONARD CALVERT ©

7136 ROBERT MORRIS ©

7137 WILLIAM PENN ©

7138 BARON DeKALB (S)

7139 HENRY HUDSON (S)

7140-MILES STANDISH (S)

7141 PAUL REVERE (S)

7142 ROGER WILLIAMS (S)

7143 MOLLY PITCHER©

7144 NATHAN HALE (S)

7145 BETSY ROSS ©

SEVEN 5 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR CONFERENCE ROOM TELEPHONE ROM CARS Budd Company October 1951 - January 1952 Plan: 9527 lot: 9628 - 110 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS)

7146 MATHIAS W. BALDWIN

7147 THOMAS A. EDISON

Car 7146 MATHIAS W. BALDWIN was originally to have been named VICTOR EMANUEL but PRR felt that the founder of the Baldwin Locomotive works located in Philadelphia deserved some recognition so the car name MATHIAS W. BALDWIN was applied to this car before delivery from Budd.

14 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR TELEPHONE ROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1951 - January 1952 Plan: 9528 Lot: 9628-110 (Built for and assigned to SENATORS)

7126 BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

7127 MARTHA WASHINGTON

18 REVENUE SEAT PARLOR BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Budd Company October 1951 - January 1952 Plan: 9529 Lot: 9628 - 110 (Built for and assigned to CONGRESSIONALS)

7128 GEORGE WASHINGTON

7129 ALEXANDER HAMILTON

The PRR never purchased any additional new streamlined Parlor cars for any other service. When additional streamlined Parlor cars were required for trains between Washington and New York the PRR turned to some of their little used prewar sleeper lounge observations and later some of the postwar sleeper lounge Observations. There were no internal changes made to these cars they were simply designated as parlors and they were assigned 7100 series numbers for parlor car service. Two of these cars were designated Parlor cars in January 1957 and followed by two additional cars in April 1957. The five postwar cars were designated parlors in November 1957.

1 DOUBLE BEDROOM 2 MASTER ROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4080 Lot 6548 (Designated Parlor cars January 1957)

7150 SKYLINE VIEW originally 8116 SKYLINE VIEW

7151 WASHINGTON VIEW originally 8117 WASHINGTON VIEW

1 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOMS BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATIONS Pullman Standard May 1938 Plan: 4081 Lot: 6549 (designated Parlor cars April 1957)

7152 WILLIAM CHAMBERLIN PATTERSON ex PRR 8111 WILLIAM CHAMBERLIN PATTERSON originally PRR 8111 JUNIATA NARROWS

7153 SAMUEL VAUGHN MERRICK ex PRR 8113 SAMUEL VAUGN MERRICK ex PRR 8113 WAKE ISLAND originally PRR 8113 JACK'S NARROWS

1 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 COMPARTMENT 2 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 25 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION Pullman Standard February - March 1949 Plan: 4134 Lot: 6792 (Designated Parlor cars November 1957)

7154 ALEXANDER JOHNSTON CASSATT originally PRR 8424 ALEXANDER JOHNSTON CASSATT

7155 WILLIAM WALLACE ATTERBURY originally PRR 8427 WILLIAM WALLACE ATTERBURY

7156 FRANK THOMSON originally PRR 8423 FRANK THOMSON

7157 JAMES McCREA originally PRR 8425 JAMES McCREA

7158 GEORGE BROOKE ROBERTS originally PRR 8422 GEORGE BROOKE ROBERTS

These last five cars were returned to Sleeper Lounge Service in June 1958 and reverted to their 8400 series numbers. The four prewar Sleeper Lounge Observations remained in Parlor car service until retired by the PRR in 1961.
By the mid 1960's the PRR was once again in need of additional Parlor cars and so turned to the Sleeper Lounge fleet of cars they owned. There were two types of cars selected 3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet 27 seat lounge cars of the COLONIAL series and 6 Double Bedroom Buffet 20 seat Lounge cars from the FALLS series as follows:

3 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BUFFET 27 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard May - June 1949 Plan: 4132 Lot: 6792 (Designated Parlor cars at the following times)

MAY 1964

7148 COLONIAL CABINS originally 8411 COLONIAL CABINS

7149 COLONIAL CRAFTS originally 8412 COLONIAL CRAFTS

7150 COLONIAL FLAGS originally 8413 COLONIAL FLAGS

7151 COLONIAL ARMS originally 8414 COLONIAL ARMS

7152 COLONIAL HOUSES originally 8415 COLONIAL HOUSES

7153 NICHOLAS FIRESTONE ex 8416 NICHOLAS FIRESTONE originally 8416 COLONIAL DOORWAYS

7154 COLONIAL LANTERNS originally 8417 COLONIAL LANTERNS

June 1964

7155 COLONIAL SCOUTS originally 8418 COLONIAL SCOUTS

6 DOUBLE BEDROOM BUFFET 20 SEAT LOUNGE CARS Pullman Standard September 1940 Plan: 4086A Lot: 6565 Designated Parlors on the following dates)

MAY 1964

7156 ELM FALLS originally 8132 ELM FALLS

7157 HICKORY FALLS originally 8134 HICKORY FALLS

7158 SYCAMORE FALLS originally 8141 SYCAMORE FALLS

MAY 1965

7159 BIRCH FALLS originally 8129 BIRCH FALLS

7160 BUTTERNUT FALLS originally 8138 BUTTERNUT FALLS

7161 CYPRESS FALLS originally 8131 CYPRESS FALLS

7162 LOCUST FALLS originally 8136 LOCUST FALLS

This was the extent of lightweight streamlined Parlor cars on the PRR until the PC merger in 1968.


TTFN Al

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and all! I'll have the usual two lite breakfasts please. Good to see Al "back in the saddle" with his streamliner posts. Thanks for the NYNH&H parlor car list Al! Cm3PO, I knew your mom was born in Athol ....that's why I wrote the post! [;)]
Tom, you must know by now, that compaining about my jokes only makes them worse. That's just how it works! Thanks for the PRR Broadway Limited ad. Imagine, 50 years old in 1902! Nice riverside pix Peter, and thanks for the Algoma Eastern Railway article Rob. And now ..here's a little something from me to read with your coffee:

From Railroad History in Photographs R&LHS



The streamlined era on North American railroads arguably began in 1934, when Union Pacific’s M-10000 and Burlington Zephyr were delivered. When the Burlington announced that they would introduce Zephyr-type trains in Chicago-Minneapolis service, a competitive, high-speed route, both Milwaukee Road and Chicago & North Western responded in 1935 with streamlined steam locomotives and upgraded trains.

The Milwaukee trains were named Hiawatha, after the Longfellow poem, and stylist Otto Kuhler designed engine shrouds on the basis of American Locomotive’s wind-tunnel tests, giving rise to the early “bathtub” streamlining style. The first locomotives were large, modern Class A “Atlantic” 4-4-2s, followed in 1939 by Class F7 4-6-4s, all with broad orange and maroon stripes carried forward from the cars, and light gray bodies.

Shown here is No. 10 Class G, one of two antique, low-drivered 4-6-0s selected to be streamlined for the new North Woods Hiawatha. Unlike its big brothers, the “North Woods Hi” was not a creature of a 100-mph main line, but instead crept north from New Lisbon, Wis. On progressively lighter rail of the Wisconsin Valley line, ultimately ending in the woods and weeds at Star Lake, a lonely place then, and all but a ghost town now.

To meet the required low axle loadings of this line, and to save money (a Milwaukee specialty), this 1900-nuilt locomotive was selected in 1936 for application of Kuhler’s Hiawatha shrouding. In 1937, another 4-6-0, No. 11, was also shrouded. Both resembled the road’s famous streamlined Atlantics, but the styling of the 4-6-0s did have individual differences. They also burned coal instead of oil (note the rather small tender).

The train was very popular for North Woods vacationers, and the interesting loads with time overwhelmed the small locomotives. The were replaced by 4-6-2 Pacifics and then in 1947 by Alco RSC-2 road-switchers. Their Hiawatha name was dropped in 1956.

Although streamlined 4-6-0 steam locomotives were common in Europe, these obscure Milwaukee Road veterans were the only such locomotives to be treated in this country. No. 10 was scrapped in May, 1951, and No. 11 in September, 1951. Photo by Harvey Uecker for the Milwaukee Road in 1936, at Milwaukee Shops.

[:I] Bob and Tom walk into a fast food joint one afternoon to get lunch. Tom orders and the cashier gives him his meal. Bob goes up to order and the cashier greets him with "Hello Bob! How are you? Hey everybody! Bob's here!" Everybody in the restaurant comes up and says hello to Bob. After everyone has greeted him, Bob and Tom sit down and begin to eat.
"Bob, you're pretty popular!" says Tom.
"I 'm the most popular man in the world," says Bob.
"Now Bob," says Tom, "you're pretty popular but you're not the most popular man in the world."
"Oh yeah," Bob replies "I'll bet you a thousand dollars that I'm friends with anybody you can name!"
"That so?" answers Tom, "How about the president of the United States?"
"Let's go!" says Bob.
The two fly to Washington and knock on the front door of the White House. The president answers, "Bob! How are you doing? I haven't seen you in ages!" The three go play a round of golf and then leave.
"That was luck!" says Tom, "Two thousand says your not friends with the Queen of England!"
"Let's go!" says Bob.
The two fly to Buckingham Palace and, sure enough, are greeted by the Queen. ''Hello Bob my boy! What have you been up to these days?" They enter the palace and have some tea and leave.
Frustrated, Tom says, "Double or nothing, you don't know the Pope!"
"Bennie!" says Bob, "Let's go!"
When they get to the Vatican, Bob instructs Tom to wait outside and Bob will come out on the balcony with his arm around the Pope. After a while, a crowd gathers to hear the Pope speak. And as told by Bob, when the Pope came out, Bob's arm was wrapped around him. Bob looks down from the balcony and saw Tom passed out on the ground. He rushes down and wakes him up.
"Tom! Tom Wake up!"
Tom opens his eyes and says, "Bob. You're the most popular man in the world."
"I told you that, Tom," says Bob, "but you didn't faint when I knew the President! You didn't faint when I knew the Queen!"
"Well, I was shocked that you knew the Pope," says Tom. "But I just couldn't take it when the guy next to me tapped me on the shoulder and said "Who's that up there with Bob?" [:I]