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[Anonymous]

Mornin' all, Tom I'd like a double Balderdash (archaic, obsolete term for "senseless mixtures with liquors, as of milk and beer.") and a round all 'round, thanks Tom. While on the subject of "archaic," here is a potion that hangs "balderdash" out to dry. Mix 2 cups of Quaker Oats and 1 cup of water in a bowl and heat in the microwave for 1 minute, cool slightly, and apply the mixture to your hands for soothing relief from arthritis pain. Okay, class is in recess while we celebrate breaking the page ninety barrier at "Our" Place. The 100th page should scroll over some time around Sept. 16th barring any unforseen lapses due to holidays, etc.

Its great to see so many return "Regulars", Pete, Chris, Nick, ***, Dave, Al, Russell and, of course the Perennials- -you know who you are. When such volume of interaction is possible on the humble "Doodlebug," it begs the question: what passenger train subject shouldn't come under Member's scrutinity. Anymore, I believe all parameters related to "Classic Trains" should be open for discourse. From ballast to highest trestles and bridges and everything in between should be "fair game." Chit chat, of course, is quite a different matter and erodes quality input.[2c]

Right Boris, all of the above is [#offtopic], so ring the Parrot bell and put the [soapbox] back in the "Rat's Patoot Room" 'til further notice. The latest issue of Model Railroad News has a couple of addys for electronic needs: www.miniatronics.com; www.mouser.com for anyone looking for that "skyhook" you've been needing. Life Like (HO) has a new GP9 (MSRP $135.00) of UP #151, EMD's builder's # 19152. She looks magnificent and tests show smooth performance.

I guess its time to scoot outta here. There are some ominous sounds coming from the Den![:O] Minnie "the moocher" (cat) is unaccounted for so I'd best investigate. Incidentally Tom, if Insp. Clueless hasn't turned a clue yet, may I suggest the 3 toed footprint could be that of the infamous Fedaralis Bureaucratis Sloth known to scavange around R.R. environs.[xx(] The only known pesticide is a chemical compound: tax incentives and deregulation. Sorry, Congress banned the substance nearly a half century ago.[V] Stay safe everyone.

[siberianmo]

Good Morning Guys!

Been quit awhile, if ever, that we've opened up with *** at our doorstep. By the by - Boris doesn't work the bar .... he's strictly kitchen help 'round here along Odd Jobs Technician - OJT [swg] Surely you saw me behind the bar! Geesh!

Somewhere in the mass mailings of stuff coming to the house is a flyer or two regarding that transit gathering you mentioned. Once on the list - always on the list. Rather pricey, for sure - add on the round trip air fare, hotel and food - well, outta site for me. Sounds like it will be a good time ......

passengerfan Al Thought perhaps this is a bit early for you left Coast folks. I know all about insomnia - happens as you progress through these Golden years! [swg]

Used to be that we used to be a people big on contingencies and foresight. Doesn't appear that's the case any longer. Not just the ongoing tragedy in the Gulf states and in particular, New Orleans, but throughout the land. You hit it on the head regarding those passnger cars held in reserve. There's a sure connection between an infra structure that no longer exists along with the people who understand the utilization of such methods to move people and equipment during times like these.

Now, having spent a great deal of my adult life in an organization with a mission that kicks in during regional and national emergencies, I can't fault our government for not being able to come up with a fix or plan to meet each and every situation. That's just plain nonsense. However, when one projects levee breachings and mass flooding - given there was sufficient time - certain strategic measures surely needed to kick in.

Back in 1993 the Chesterfield Valley (about 1.5 miles from where I live) flooded up to 8 ft levels when a levee gave way to the flood waters of the Missouri River. That mid west flood was one hulluva mess for sure. Fortunately the fury factor of Hurricane Katrina was thankfully absent - but the devastation remained for years to come. Today, the valley has been nearly fully developed - just waiting for the next 500 year flood to occur. Planning [?] Geesh.

I detest shudda, wudda, cudda type thinkers and people - really do. Hindsight is always 20/20 as they say. However, when one has been there and can speak from a position of knowledge rather than anecdotal or less than plausible positions - well it's just so much hot air. We'll be listening to lots of that in the forthcoming weeks and months. Just something else to find a political bent to [?] Just watch 'n see.

Catch ya later .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

PLEASE READ THE SUMMARIES

[passengerfan]

P.S. Insomnia once again.

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom. Time for coffee and one of the diet pastries from the Mentor Bakery.
*** you asked about the railroads not evacuating people. First Amtrak does not have the equipment to spare and the military no longer has any passenger equipment held in reserve. Maybe the President should take note and give Amtrak five or six billion the airlines weren't much help. Used to be old Pullman cars were held in reserve at military bases such as Fort Polk Louisiana and others around the country for movement of the military in times of national emergency. In the present emergency releief workers and the Guard units would have not only had a place to stay but old rr cars could have been used to temporarily house the displaced. A temporary yard could act as a makeshift city until the city gets back on its feet. Flat cars with portable homes or mobile homes could be brought in until the housing is restored. Where are the tank cars with potable water that are so badly needed now. RRs could be bringing emergency food supplies as close as possible to the affected area and emergency personnel. Even FEMA was not prepared for a disaster of this magnitude and with I-10 in such bad shape it will take over a year to replace what about the rails in the area they may be the only hope. NO airport is under water and no flights will be using it for days.

[Anonymous]

A very arly good morning to Y'all.

Boris, being 5:10 AM I had better stick to black strong coffee for now. Even as the songs goes "It is five o'clock somewhere" is true but somehow i cannot think of a good one this early.

The pictures from N O get worse by the day. Kudos to the USCG for a super job of rescuing the people from roofs. That has made the 6:00 news for the last couple days. NO biggest industry is tourism and it will be atleast one year if not two until it is bak if ever. I too have questions as to its recovery. One question: Why did not the railroads offer passenger trains to evacuate the people to safe points north? They could have run several trains from NO, Biloxi, Gulfport, etc and possibly saved many lives that were lost.

Big times in Dallas the week of September 26. APTA (American Passenger Transit Association) will be having their annual convention/Expo here. We expect 15-18,000 attendees along with over 400 exhibitors showing all kinds of train wares. DART was kind enough to comp me a ticket as a "retired" board member so I can go. Somehow spening the $450 registration fee is a little steep. Should be a fun convention and I will be able to visit many of my transit friends. I remember the first one I attendd in 1997. My wife did not want to go as she thought it would be a bunch of guys in bib overalls who went around tooting whistles all day. This was not the case. Everyone were in suits and it was wonderful. She has enjoyed subsequent conventions and we have made some great friends there. I always thought the petoleum engineers conventions before the change in the oil business ('80s) were great. By comparison the APTA convention makes the petroleum engineers convention look like a cheap meal at Mcdonalds.

Well it is time to go catch my van pool to work. Boris please give me a roadie of coffee for the ride in.

Cheers,
***

[siberianmo]

WEDNESDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning!

Hope this day finds all of you doing well and ready to meet the challenges of the day. Start off with us by enjoying the offerings from The Mentor Village Bakery along with our freshly ground and brewed coffee and of course a llight breakfast selection from the morning menu.

News of the Day:

(1) Consider helping those who are suffering from the effects of Hurricane Katrina.

(2) Yesterday was one hulluva turnaround from the day before in terms of activity ‘round here. It appeared we were heading into another day of doldrums until Rob bailed us out and from that point on – busy, busy, busy. Just the way we like it. [yeah]
Thanx to all who helped make the day a success for ”Our” Place [tup][tup][tup]

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 00:27:46 (89) Tuesday’s News & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 06:20:36 (90)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 07:19:24 (90) response to Theodorebear

(4) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 13:33:22 (90)

(5) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 13:38:18 (90)

(7) pwolfe Pete Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 13:39:49 (90)

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 13:48:13 (90)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 13:51:29 (90) reply to trolleyboy

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 13:59:42 (90) reply to pwolfe

(11) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 14:03:55 (90)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 14:14:48 (90) reply to trolleyboy

(13) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 14:24:26 (90)

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 14:38:39 (90) reply to trolleyboy

(15) CFournier Chris Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 15:43:32 (90)

(16) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 15:44:44 (90)

(17) wrwatkins *** Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 16:32:46 (90)

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 16:42:05 (90) reply to CFournier

(19)siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 16:55:52 (90) reply to Theodorebear

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 17:10:20 (90) reply to wrwatkins

(21) West Coast S Dave Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 17:17:54 (90)

(22) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 17:24:54 (90) reply to West Coast S

(23) West Coast S Dave Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 17:46:59 (91)

(24) passengerfan Al Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 18:43:03 (91)

(25) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 18:44:33 (91) reply to West Coast S

(26) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 18:54:30 (91)

(27) siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 19:00:56 (91) reply to passengerfan

(28)siberianmo Tom Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 19:41:36 (91) reply to nickinwestwales

(29) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 30 Aug 2005, 21:38:02 (91)

(30) siberianmo Tom Posted: 31 Aug 2005, 00:28:04 (91) reply to: nickinwestwales

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Good early morning, Nick

A fine Post - one of your very best efforts! [tup][tup][tup]

Don't quite know how you are able to do it, given the hour on your side of the Pond, but keep up the good work! [yeah]

The situation in N'rlns is so devastating that one has to wonder whether that city is lost and not able to be rebuilt. The efforts of the USCG are being coordinated here in St. Louis as the District Office in New Orleans relocated about 50 of its command staff to a site downtown. The situation is really grim down there .........

Can't say that I'm much on Blues when it comes to music - never quite got into it. My tastes have quite a range however - and it's not at all uncommon for me to listen to a couple of hours of Swing (Big Band) music followed by Phil Collins (with or without Genesis) then onto Hank Williams, Jr., Alabama, Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash. It that's not enough, there's our collection of Broadway musicals and some of the best stuff in the form of Gilbert & Sullivan - love the Pirates of Penzance and The Mikado. [yeah] Really dig it all .......

The arthritis has been with me for about 12 years and can really mess with the mind. You are absolutely correct regarding the choices we have in order to deal with it. I choose to move along and really haven't been able to find anything in pill form that helps. The stuff I had been taken was removed from the market ........ Ain't that just the way it go [?] Beginning to see some ill effects to the knees - but as long as we've got our pal, Juneau the two one-mile walks per day help out in that respect.

One hundred twenty six point seven MPH [wow] now that's movin' on! Once again, the speeds attained by what we look upon as quaint or the old days can't be matched at all over here, even with our feeble attempts at hi-speed rail. Pity.

Hope the weekend is good for you and yours ........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

O.K. boys,I think I`m Just about up to speed ( as they say in the movies)-right first things first,[4:-)]TOM,a drink for all present in order to raise a toast to the U.S.C.G & all those other good people who have worked through the last few nights to bring people out of danger,we salute you,...............................................Right,before I get into answering post ,I`ve just found a site that some of you might find interesting-photos from the Hubble telescope @ skyimagelab.com -watch with drink in hand and room lights off !! West Coast Dave-nice one on the doodlebugs,over here,a doodlebug was a self-propelled,high-explosive, bloody nuisance during the middle part of the 1940`s-sounds like you guys had a fairly similar experience. Sounds like we listen to the same kind of blues-when I have a spare moment I`ll put down a backing track( I can do a fairly acceptable Muddy guitar line and a *** fine Willy Dixon bass part underneath it,my drummer loves to play chicago blues and my wife can sing anything from Patsy Cline to Janis Joplin,with all stops between-will try to send you the results.........TOM-I am also blessed with arthritis,natures way of saying"slow down & enjoy"-first diagnosed at age 21 as an offshoot of a completely different condition-2 ways to go here,curl up and howl,or,chin up,swallow enough pills to sedate a horse & get back out there and do the howling later,when no-one else is around---treat it as an incentive,not a handicap-although when it takes you forty minutes to get out of bed in the morning it can be difficult to present a smiley happy face to the world........ROB-Yer man Bob did a fine job on those double-deck cars,as you noted,these cars originated with Hawker-Siddely,the company that gave us both the Hurricane & the Harrier,-the closest thing we will see to Thunderbird 1 in our lifetimes ...........WOLFMAN-Grades-I suspect that like me you still think in terms of 1:30,1:100 etc-it will be no help but some possible comfort,but I cant figure out the conversion either,sorry !.........***-given recent events it`s possible that your skills could be of more use in the domestic arena,p.s.-nice to here from you,right,a couple of general observations -The Ba`alderdash`ii tribe-a relic of pre-history here,generally regarded by scholars as being the catalyst for the first gatherings of civilisation in the Tigris-Euphrates Delta, a tribe so contentious & arguementative that all the neighbouring tribes gave up their smaller vendetta`s and got together to give them a right pasting. This done,they realised the sense of strength in numbers and went on to conquer the known world-about 50 miles in any direction. and so , finally to train stuff------Chris mentioned the steam speed record earlier in connection with the Gresley A4`s-perhaps I could expand on that-record speed attained descending stoke bank southbound towards Peterborough,ostensibly as part of ongoing brake tests in conjunction with Westinghouse using a full "Coronation" 8-car set plus dynamometer car-about 350 Tons on the bar-on this particular sunday,Sir Nigel Gresley himself was on the foot plate encouraging the crew to "go for it",the road was cleared ahead of them.....No 4468 "Mallard" was in good order with a well built up fire-after achieving recorded max of 126.7 M.P.H. some very fierce application of the brakes was required to negotiate the s-bend at Peterborough stn-a 15 M.P.H limit which the "Mallard" flew through at 60 M.P.H with,according to the driver,"Only one side on the rails at any one time"-according to popular legend,he never drove another engine and finished his days as a lay preacher,as to the Mallard,she had to be taken off the train after the middle cylinder main bearing collapsed,but job done by then-We Brits have the speed record,you guys can have the rest....!!!!...........moonlight mile for me,speak soon,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Nick

Man oh man, you've had your share - and then some - of server problems. Hope you get some sort of a refund on whatever the costs are for the service!

Thanx for the round - Boris] Ring it for your Bossman! [swg]

Yesterday was the absolute worst we've had 'round here - today started out pretty much the same, then Rob came along - shook the trees, and the rest of 'em woke up! [tup]

Catch ya later or in the 'morrow .........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hello passengerfan Al

Nice to see you again - surely was wonderin' about ya - noticed your cyber name every now 'n then, but no Post. Appreciate the round - Boris ring 'er up! [yeah]

What's to add about N'rlns and the unfolding tragedy for Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama other than to say, let's hope relief is prompt, adequate and long term - for those poor folks surely need all the help we can provide.

Appreciate the info regarding those SF RDC's. I've seen pictures within one of my hardcover books and have read the accounts of the tragedy. Didn't know that SF had actually banished the cars ........

Football in August just doesn't seem right to me. While pre-season games are considered meaningless to the purist, tell that to the guys trying to win a roster spot. Somehow, even though the RAMS are in St. Louis, it's hard for me to think of 'em as anything other than the LA RAMS. When I was assigned to SoCal back in the 80's, they played down in Anaheim, while the Raiders were in LA. All for the mighty dollar, wouldn't you agree [?]

Catch ya later .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

I see a few have drifted in since I started reading[4:-)]TOM ,a round of drinks for these fine gents whilst I catch up and gather my thoughts,server down for 48 hrs so a little behind,back soon [C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Hi Ya Dave

Back again! Well, have one on me this time ...... [yeah]

Can't and won't comment regarding wives and what they do and don't! Been there, done that and ain't gonna do it again! [swg]

A rather interesting bit of prose of the customers at the bar this evneing. Thanx! All train lovers should be able to relate to the verse ....... mine would be more than a little train. How about a 15 car string of passenger cars behind a Pennsy GG-1 [?] Or, that 5 car RDC consist of BC Rail en route mid-Province, British Columbia [?] Anyone else want to join in [?]

Page 91 on the way to 100. A special treat is being put together for our 100th page. Let's start a contest of sorts.

WHAT DATE WILL WE REACH PAGE 100 at "Our Place"[?]

Catch ya later .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good evening Tom. Guess it is time for a CR and a round for the house.

Tom knowing you like RDC's look up the wreck at Redondo Junction of the only two RDC's owned by the Santa Fe. It occurred on their second trip of the day to San Diego. After the accident the worst involving RDC's as far as number killed and injured the Santa fe banished the cars from California. One was rebuilt from its original RDC 1 configuration to and RDC2 by Topeka shops. The cars operated in Kansas for awhile before being assigned to the EL PASOAN schedule between Albuquerque and El Paso round trip daily. The only other RDC 1 rebuilt to a RDC 2 I am aware of was SP's one and only one while leased to Northwestern Pacific it encountered a loaded logging truck. Sacramento shops rebuilt the SP RDC and created a 2 with a blind end as the Cab was not reinstalled at the end that ran into the truck.
Nice to see that the Rams have a pretty good football team this year watched last nights game against Detroit and they looked pretty good.
Lived in the Big Easy for a year right in the French Quarter sure feel sorry for the people. Tried to reach a couple of friends I still have their was unsuccessful with one the phone was dead. Did reach the other on his cell phone he evacuated to Orlando with the family and says he isn't going back for two weeks at least. Told him about the Lake Pontchartrain causeway being out so his return journey may be longer than he wants. Said he had just renewed his flood Insurance and had the plavce reappraised not very long ago. Says he isn't too worried.
Most of his neighbors and friends evacuated and he was in touch with most via cell phone. I tried to reach another friend but not having his cell number his land line is dead.
I know I know Boris ring the bell I'm buying another round.

[West Coast S]

Tom...Glad to be back....How come my wife doesn't ilicite the same feeling after a absence apart?

Tom..i'm composing some new material for the group to critique and the third chapter of the Pacific Electric Chronicles.

In the meantime, I present this sonet, credited to a published author who's name I cannot recall.

"When she passed, we stood amazed
We admired her, so we stood and gazed
Her loss we pine, we loved her so
To hear her lonesome whistle blow
Our memory of her is clear and plain
Please, bring us back our little train".

From the publication Mixed Train daily.

A special kudo for reaching the big 90, oops! Make that 91, the best is yet to come.

Dave [tup]

[siberianmo]

G'day West Coast S Dave

Good to see you again! Even a day's absence seems like a long time .........

Boris The bell, please! JD for the men at the bar! [yeah]

Nice of you to acknowledge the Posts from the guys - seems like forever since we've seen 'em all ........ A couple of our Regulars are on the verge of becoming members of The Legion of the Lost.

Appreciate the endorsement for the efforts of management 'round here ..... Thanx! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang...Round of JW black to make for my absence.

What have we been up to:

Passengerfan AL appreciate the additional insight into McKeen usage. You deserve a round for your research efforts. What will it be?

Barndad appreciate the Mckeen photo and update.. Now I know where two of the trailers are perserved. The CSRM has one that SP converted to a caboose and retired in 1969. Last I heard the intent was restore back into a McKeen trailer, depending on funding of course.
Barndad, did I have a flashback or does the Nevada group or someone have a Mckeen front power truck assembly? I seem to recall reading that one was located, but, can't remember the source now. Ditto, for the de-trucked unmodified trailer located in Utah being used as a chicken coop.

Nick, You cause me to think, hmm, Words set to the style of Muddy Waters or Howling Wolf..I see Grammy in our future. Sure beats the 9-5 routine and the groupies would be fantastic for my ego [:D]

Ted...Balderdash? Pardon my ignorance, but Balderdash[X-)] Is that not the new Olympic relay event for those with thinning hair? I fail to see how it pertains to classic trains. (All in good humor of course).

And last but not least, our esteemed host Tom, keep up the excellent job, I shall return when I have something pertient to report..


Boris, no kisses, just ring the bell and take care of the customers!

Dave [tup]

[siberianmo]

Hello ***

Sorry ......... but, tweeeeeeeeeeet, tweeeeeeeeeeeet, Rule violations - Rule violations! Failure to greet the barkeep (housekeep) - Rule #1 and failure to order a drink - Rule #2. Boris ring the bell - drinks on Permanent Stool Member, ***

Sorry to have to dump on you like that - but - we have a bit of decorum 'round here and as an exhalted member of our inner circle ... well - you figure it out! [swg]

While I'm at it - Boris doesn't tend bar - man - you're in trouble today, eh [?] He's kitchen help. Geesh!

Yes, we've had some very interesting Posts - especiallly during the latter part of last week. Hope you have had the time to review 'em .......... Especially West Coast S Dave's rather poingant offering .......... Check the Summaries if you need further reference ..........

We are happy to see ya again - thought you were on another work-related trip .........

Catch ya later.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hello Ted

Thanx for the 2nd Post of the day! [tup] That's what it is going to take in order to propel us forward as we find ourselves on page 90 of this thread. Ninety! Can you imagine thinking that we'd make it this far way back - when[?] Never in my wildest dreams ... but here we are. [yeah]

Americans all - let's do our part to ensure that our countrymen get the best from us all in order to rebuild and move on with their lives.

Is it just me, or has the international community ignored our disaster in the Gulf States [?] Recall the U.S. responses to the numerous disasters 'round the world in just the past 2 years[?] Is there anyone, other than me who is rather underwhelmed with the outpouring of support in our hour of need[?] [yeah] I know I'm [#offtopic] and I'll surely spring for the drinks - but as an American - isn't it just so typical of the so-called world community when it comes to consideration for and of the U.S.. [?] For whatever it's worth - we'll do fine without those nations who have enjoyed bashing us these past several years. I only hope that my fellow citizens will not forget this latest slap in the face ......... Okay, Boris Ring the ding dong - drinks on me!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hey Chris

Awwwwwwwwright! [#welcome] Back to the world of the productive! Glad you have fully recovered and are amongst your peers, functioning in your chosen profession of law. [yeah][tup][tup]

Appreciate your taking the time to stop by - we've been in a funk for a bit and need all the help we can muster up to rekindle the flame that is "Our" Place. Seriously - it's those of you who are truly the Regulars 'round here who will determine whether we thrive or wither on the vine ..........

Isn't it truly amazing to think of 126.5 mph occurring back then when in today's North American vernacular we call it high speed rail! [wow] Always amazes me to think that there are so many people who think we have it wired today and those in the past simply were archaic. Not so - not so, at all. Thanx for bringing us back to reality ........ [tup]

Hope to see more of you, now that you are back into cyber comms ........ and thanx for the round! [swg] I'll even partake in a Keith's Ale - thank you very much! [swg]

See ya again - soon I hope! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good afternoon Y'all

Boris, how about a round of drinks for everybody on me. Make mine a double double gin over ice. It has been one of those days when everything turns to a soft sea of fecal matter. Just got the word that I have to spend a week in Port Harcourt which is the end of the world. Part Harcourt is in Nigeria. What it does is make Lagos look like a garden spot by comparison. And Lagos is really where the sewer meets the sea. I have to go to the health office tomorrow to get a yellow fever shot. Fortunately the shots I received before I went to Libya in July will cover everything else I need. There is a railroad in Nigeria, however, I think I will pass on trying to ride on it. At my age I cannot outrun a speeding bullet any longer. Speaking of age there are only 7 monts and one day or 213 days or 5,112 hours, or 306,720 minutes or 18,403,200 seconds until I retire. Some days it seems that it cannot come too soon and this is one of them.

On to more pleasant thoughts (trains). I enjoyed Gunnis Kevin's story on the Georgetown Loop line and his great links. When I get some time I am going to read them ALL in detail. The original bridge was taken down in the 30's and the scrap steel from the bridge and rails were sold to Japan. One only can wonder if the Japanese gave some of it back to us at Pearl Harbor. We rode on the loop several years ago and really enjoyed the ride. One of the stories I heard while on the ride was that the bridge and track were paid for and installed by the Navy Seabees. They were having a summer camp and needed a practice project shuch as this for training. So, the story goes, the Seabees rebuilt the entire line.

Also enjoyed the posts aout the doodlebugs from years ago. On the web page for the McCloud River RR there are pictures of ther old doodlebug used to haul logging crews. Got the link from a post on the "TRAINS" forum. Well worth a lookie as they cover all of their equipment. Enjoyed Theodorebear's comments about how Walter Winchell opened his news casts. I remember them well from years ago. Also remember the Conalrad bands at 640 and 1240 that we were supposed to tune to in emergencies. At that time all the radios had little triangles at these frequencies so you could fing the Conalrad stations if needed. Fortunately we never needed to crawl in our bomb shelters and tune in Conalrad.

Time to go catch my train to the car pool. Better gulp down my dring and Boris could I have a roadie?

Cheers,
***

[Anonymous]

By Gadfrey, I guess N. Korea didn't "Nuke" the Internet after all.[;)] Good to hear from ya Rob. Tom, what'dya say to a C.R. for me, a Keiths for Rob and J.D. Black Label for yourself? Yes Rob, there are any number of coincidences regarding the dieselization of some electric roads. Even more striking is the total elimination of electrified street rail in major U.S. cities from 1945-1960.[:O] I realize the days of neighborhood routes were numbered even in the late 1930's. However, there were still inter city high speed runs and feeder lines that were solvent and needed on a daily basis. The idea that no conspiracy was involved in the almost "over night" dismemberment of a viable, fast, clean and profitable transportation system is a "no sale" for this observer.[2c] From what I've seen of the resurrection of "light rail," the same mentality of the conspirators that "killed" electrified interurban (radial) service are holding the reigns for today's renaissance, i.e. lines that go nowhere, diesel where ever possible, inefficient use of ROW, et al. We will see if the fuel demands put on the need for public mass transportation will moderate the "self destruct" agenda of city bureaucrats "on the take." There are exceptions such as Dallas, L.A., and San Diego. Most eastern cities, however, fall right in the X hairs![V]

As everyone's worst fears have now become a reality in N.O., La.; we may witness the worst metropolitan catastrophy since 9/11/01. Breaches in the levees (river and lake) and failure of pumping facilities are allowing the city to gradually fill like a tureen for soup. It now appears that City's recovery will be many months away, that is, if something far worse [fire, epidemics, rioting] doesn't render it a "no man's land." Other areas of devastation (Ga., Ms, Al.)are accessible over land, thus making assistance slow but possible. New Orelans is now accessible only by water craft. It has ceased to exist as a functioning city.

How does one follow that dire prognosis with something witty? Let's just count our good fortune and hope for the best on behalf of our neighbors under siege. I'll close for now with best regards for all.

[CFournier]

HI, everyone. I'm back at work and to a better internet connection!
A round of whatever you'll have guys, on me...
Here is what I have regarding the A4 that we have in the Delson museum (Montreal) and wich PWOLF asked about a few weeks ago.

BR 60010 4-6-2 Doncaster 1937
British Rail's 60010, "The Dominion of Canada", represents British railways and serves as an interesting contrast to CN 5702. The "A-4" class of locomotives holds the world speed record for steam at 126 1/2 miles per hour. The Dominion of Canada was in the speed trials. It is a streamlined locomotive, equipped with a speedometer and a corridor tender with a water scoop. These features permitted it to cover the 393 miles from London to Edinburgh without service stops, whereas most Canadian locomotives in the same service would stop every 125-150 miles for water.

[^]Chris

[siberianmo]

Yo Rob

How could I have forgotten the trolley pole and wires![?] [yeah] A shocking experience, from time to time. [swg]

Somehow the image of one beating the Dickens out of the weight or punching bag while someone is enjoying a massage doesn't quite gell. [swg] Also, there's a license problem here in Mentor Village regarding those sorts of things (massage parlours). Doubt that the Village Elders would approve of such a thing. It was difficult enough to get them to grant me a liquor, beer 'n wine license. Now, there is always that Park Car with the drawing room suite sitting on the siding ........ hmmmmmm. [yeah]

The critters of the forests seem to be very aware of the presence of Boris - things become very still - almost as if an impending storm front is about to hit when the Boys arrive. Again, single helix creatures are nothing to fool with ....... [alien]

Boris clang the clapper once again - Rob's buying! [yeah]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Tom Remember I live on old technology. Putting the pole on the wire at the museum isn't too far removed from good old Ben's experiments. We just control it better. I think though that the massage parlour needs to be moved adjacent too or inside off the rat's Patoot room It's where the action is din't you know! as too boris's DNA gone wrong you don't think that he has "kin" in the woods behind the bar do you ? Oh well very [#offtopic] today multiple round s for us on my tab.[oops] Some of the modem still lives back in for round two ( deux ) Rob

[siberianmo]

Hi Rob

DNA - are you kidding [?] Go back and refresh yourself regarding Boris' makeup - I doubt that there's a double helix in him! [swg]

Glad to know that The Rat's Patoot Room will be getting a work out. Dust off the punching bags, will ya [?]

I have a personal secretary - of sorts - Cindy from the all female university up the road, 'round the bend. She's not paid staff here - likes to volunteer her - ahem - services. Although, once Nick shows up, she's gone like a flash into the kitchen. Don't need to think about that too much ......... hmmmmm.

Watch that return to yesterday's technology - next thing you know you'll be trying to fly a kite with a metal tether in a thunder 'n lightning storm! [:O]

Sorry if the grumpiness shows - I'll admit to the frustration'round here. Can't handle ignorance and rudeness. Really bothers me, especially when I know it can be so easily avoided. [yeah] Perhaps a massage will do me good. Hey Cindy, let's talk![}:)][:-,]

Thanx Rob for perking up this place of ours ....... [tup][tup][tup]

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Tokm I hope that Boris isn't just playing a prank on you. Check the DNA eveidencs on those prints. I've noticed on the slower nights Boris and Leon tend to watch CSI. As too adding to your woes I though you were retired, that should mean that you have lots of time on yer paws[swg] Perhaps we need to bring in a personal secritary for you, one who is also a registerd massage therapist. We have lots of empty rooms upstairs.[oops] New rule violation giving the owner ideas as to the tech woes I'm heading to the rats patoot room with the broken modem to vent my ah creative need to destroy something inanimate. i'm all for re-enstating the poney express or the wireless. Oh ted and anyone who wants to see them, I've gotten three of your layout pics up on my rail graffica account page six. More to come but the shrinking the file size to fit is a bit time consumming. Bye again hey when did me get the parrot in here ? Rob

[siberianmo]

G'day Pete

Nice to have you stop by as well - I see Rob is back and also *** hiding in the shadows.

Yesterday surely was strange and today began in a similar fashion. Sure gets quiet 'round here in a hurry without the chatter and banter at the bar. [yeah]

Rob has given good explanation to RR grades - can't really amplify what he's said. Somewhere in my mind's eye the 2 percent standard comes to mind. Anyone want to elaborate on that [?]

Regarding Katrina - kinda like railroad crossing accidents, train 1 car 0. Nature also has a way of coming out on top, no matter how hard we try to alter her course - she wins, we lose. Rough times continue in the Gulf states.

Enjoy the brew and the finest sandwiches this side of the Can-Am mountain range! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day Rob

Funny how a single Post from a familiar cyber name can restore hope that "Our" Place will thrive for at least one more day. [tup]

These wonders of 'puter technology can wrap us up in knots and they do. Glad you're back. My wireless router is going back to the manufacturer once the replacement arrives. Never ends .... fortunately the warranty still covers a replacement - although it should - I purchased the blasted thing in April. Anyway, there just doesn't seem to be an end to the frustrations with cyber comms ........ Gotta keep thinking positive - this is a fantastic way of communicating - this is a fantastic way of communicating .... this is ..... [swg]

Don't you chime in with anymore suggestions for ME to carry out and oversee! Thank you very much - I've got enough on my plate 'round here just to keep all of you interested and active with the Stools - Birthday Watch List and Bashes - Posts from the Past - Cast of Characters from "Our" Place - The Menu from "Our" Place - Rat's Patoot Room - Silver Throttle Award, etc. That's all I can handle - arggggggggghhhh!

I'm not too sure those prints are from Boris - remove his boondockers, if you dare, and you just might find cloven soles 'n heels! [:O] Anyway, he was out back with me when we discovered the freshly made prints ........ perhaps a case for Inspector Clueless of the Local Constabulary and his trusty advisor and friend, Mr. Doyle, Private Investigator. (There's another to add to the aforementioned list ...... )

Thanx for the 'round - Boris dust off the bell and give 'er a ring!

Don't forget us - we seem to need all the support we can get to keep us up on the Forum. [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

pwolfe Grades as in school or as in hills? LOL[swg] seriously what was or is confusing you. In general the railways tried to avoid steep ones ( over 3%. Three feet up for every mile distance if I'm figurirng correctly ) In places mountains etc the railroads would beg borrow steal and blast to avoid straight up type grades. You see alot of mountain lines that are anything but arrow straight they tend to meander to lessen the grades. themn of coarse the twists in turns can pose hazzards of there own.Hope I haven't muddied the waters for you further. I'm sure tom n the boys will jump in as well. Rob

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.
First may I add my thoughts to the poor people who have been in the path of Katrina it shows how fragile us humans are against nature.
Sorry I have not called in but I have been away for a couple of days. So I had better have a pint and a sandwich please.
What a good idea the SILVER THROTTLE AWARD is and a very worthy winner in DAVE that was a wonderful post and oh so true.
[yeah][tup] Thanks to all who told me about U.S. locomotive testing I am learning all the time but I am still a bit confused about GRADES.
Tom I;ll have one for the road and be off hope tocall in again soon[tup]