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[siberianmo]

G'day Guys!

Russell I may have to take another look at that MRR eidtion you mentioned - didn't do much for me when I flipped thru the pages at my LHS. Pehaps I was in too much of a hurry .......

Ted You haven't put me out - that's kinda like saying, The check's in the mail! .... It was a good suggestion - but as I've learned over time, when I'm the one who is the do-er, well .......... [swg] Now I've gotta figure out some parameters for follow-up Silver Throttle Awards.

These pages are chock full of some very interesting and well thought out Posts. Praise is long and hard to come by, not only here, but on most of the Forums I've been active with. Just doesn't happen that often. Can mean - not read - or who gives a Rat's Patoot, or .......... take your pick. I know that in my experiences, I've Posted some information that got absolutely zero, zilch, zip in response and it was surprising indeed. Just the way some guys are ...... I'd rather think it was lack of reading than anything else.

Nope, regarding having my switch flicked over those Doodlebugs/Gas Electrics. There's quite a history on the march toward the development of the Rail Diesel Car (RDC) and they all occupy a place in time. Now, if I came across something to slam the RDC, well .......... [tdn]

Catch y'all later - Cindy still has the bar .........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Chrisitian

I recognize that this is your first Post and there is nothing in your profile to help us know you - BUT - here's some advice:

These Forums have many discussion groups (threads) and they are arranged by the titles of the magazines published by Kalmbach. My suggestion to you is to inquire in a Forum designed for your question - Model Railroading.

Also, while we all welcome newcomers and encourage participation, it is considered a bit on the rude side to simply jump in on a discussion (thread) to Post something that has absolutely nothing to do with what's going on ..... The way to find out is easy - just go to the first page - check out what the subject is - then decide if you are in the right place.

See ya!

[Anonymous]

Hi Russell, just dropped in to say I appreciate the affirmation of the ATSF train names on the Tulsa leg. The Frisco trains in and out of Tulsa were "good lookers" from the standard and smooth side (streamliners) era. Frisco steam was, however, a "standout" in my opinion, especially the sheet metal shrouded light Pacific 4-6-2 that looked like speed incarnate just sitting still. The Katy (M-K-T) also served Tulsa but withdrew passenger service early on. I believe their best train was the "Fire Fly" but could be mistaken. I don't know much about the "Katy" but for some reason, people in the S.W. seem to favor that Road. Any idea why?

Tom, didn't mean to put you out. BTW, has any of the talk about the Gas Electrics hit a "raw nerve" yet? The Doodlebugs" were not really "generic" as many roads had different configurations mush as the later R.D.C.'s. Unlike the later, Doddlebugs ran "mixed" consists and took on a life of their own in some cases. No one could accuse them of being "rail buses!"

Oh Gad, another interruption. I must bid everyone a farewell for the moment. Please Tom hit the Panty Hose and a libation for all, thanks. Cheerio for now.

[Anonymous]

I modelling a CN steam P-5-h in HO and searching for the water and coal store of the tender.Thank you!

[Trainnut484]

Good day Tom et all. I'll have a cup of coffee please. Just picked up my copy of MR's 1950s special edition at the LHS. A great wealth of informaton indeed [^]. Ted, glad you were spared from hurricance Katrina. Seeing the section of that highway bridge ripped away was eye popping and jaw dropping. One would've thought a tornado did that damage. Kevin, I'll try again to go to your d&rg URL you posted earlier. Before, it was a lttle slow downloading and I was in a bit of a hurry. Dan, The Tulsan and Oil Flyer were Santa Fe trains. Santa Fe's lone DL109/110 was regulated to flat land running since it was too high geared for the western grades. I would've liked to have seen Frisco's passenger trains that ran between KC and Springfield.

See y'all later,

Russell

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Ted

It appears that you've been spared the wrath of Katrina, which is a blessing for you and your neighbors. This old world is changing insofar as what we've become accustomed to with the weather patterns - and methinks we haven't seen the end of it. Humankind has only inhabited this planet for a mere speck in the time it's been rotating 'round the sun. Who knows what's in store that may have occurred somewhere else in time [?] I've read sicientific journal reports of a projected start of an Ice Age in Europe before the end of this century. Hope it starts in those places inhabited by our detractors first! [}:)][:-,]

Another great idea eminating from old Ted [swg] - something else for older Tom to keep track of! [censored][banghead] Nevertheless ......

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Let it be known from this day forth that: The First Silver Throttle Award for Excellence in Classic Trains Postings at "Our" Place goes to -----

<drumroll, please!> ------

West Coast S Dave [yeah][wow][tup][tup][tup]

To Dave: Your Post of 26 Aug 2005, 17:33:03 was an outstanding capstone to many informative and well thought out contributions to what "Our" Place strives to maintain. Congratulations from all of your friends at the bar! [yeah][wow]swg][tup][tup][tup]
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Anymore brilliant ideas, Ted[?] [;)]

Thanx for the round, by the by! Boris remove the panty hose from the clapper and ring the bell! I just don't wanna know ...........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

OUTSTANDING! "Our" Place just gets better and better. Dave, the "bitter sweet" legacy of the post steam and "golden age" passenger trains captures the essence of all the things we mourn today. What a fitting eulogy to an era we can only wish our survivors could experience today. Tom, after I catch a round for those present, let's think about some appropriate special award recognizing contributions that "rings everyone's bell," e.g. "The Silver Throtle Award" to be passed along as new Replys come our way? Just a thought.[:D]

Earlydiesels, yes the StLSF trains and Santa Fe trains (Tulsa to K.C.) departed at the same time. You could make your choice simply be choosing which side of the platform you wished to board. The Santa Fe ran 2 EMD FP7's (A-B) heading 4 or 5 Budd Stainless, if memory serves. StLSF maintained steam until (mid 1950's?) when EMD E- 7's or 8's did the chores. The Texas Cheif (ATSF) comes to mind as one which served Tulsa among others. StLSF ran east on the Missouri side, ATSF on the Kansas side as I recall. Both trains arrived (K.C.) within 10 to 15 minutes of eachother. The Santa Fe normally a bit faster. I need to look into these names for "old times sake." The only DL 109 that I saw in operation was along old U.S. RT. 66 (south of Chicago) on the Gulf Mobile and Ohio road. It was in such a pitiable state of maintenance as to appear comical, in a sad way (circa '58' or '59').

Gunns, that URL is a "keeper," thanks. Rob, enjoyed the mail. I'm afraid my retruns are delayed for reasons unknown to me. The Notice simply states "delayed, resending message is not necessary." Well Katrina has, so far, chosen a mid-Gulf track. Good for us, not so good for Biloxi. Maybe she will bring some needed rain for parts of the Ohio Valley? Okay, gotta do some domestics stuff, so long for now.

[siberianmo]

SATURDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Good Morning! The weekend is upon us and I hope that all of you have at least one day to do the things you want to do – even if it’s absolutely nothing at all! [yeah]

As always, there’s hot coffee, light breakfasts and a pastry case full of good stuff from The Mentor Village Bakery. Dig in ……. [tup]

News of the Day:

(1) Have you ever wondered what it must have been like for those working the jobs and careers suddenly lost when steam gave way to diesel – or when the passenger roads died [?] Take a look at this original Post from West Coast S Dave – something to appreciate:

QUOTE: I agree with the extinction of the attending aspects associated with diesel and the passenger train. I think the following puts it in perspective.

Dieselization permitted longer faster, heavier trains, run more frequently, thus requiring new means to keep apart. Farewell to the train order station, written orders the telegraph and the manual block control. farewell to the jobs they created and the communities they supported.


Farewell to the coal docks, water towers and roundhouses and turntables and all else associated with steam railroading , your day is done, replaced by the diesel that only requires a few tracks for servicing.

Farewell to the thousands of shop workers, hostlers and millions more behind the scene who gave their all to keep the railroads running in time of peace and war.

Farewell to shops with legendary names such as Altoona, Roanoke, Cheyenne and a thousand more, farewell to the communities that once depended on you.

Farewell to the American passenger train , even the vaunted diesel could not save you from the technology of improved air and highway alternatives and changes in public preferences.

Farewell to the Pullman Porter, your time is done, you have served with honor for over a hundred years by catering to millions of travelers, farewell to the Pullman Company, your daring, innovative approach to rail travel helped bind a restless nation. Now, your time has come as well. You too have served with honor in time of war and peace.

Farewell to way of life, never to return and yet not so distant as to be completely forgotten.

(2) Want to take a ride aboard perhaps one of only a few remaining secrets in U.S. passenger railroading [?] Take a look at this URL provided by Gunns Kevin – click on through it all - it’s well worth it:
http://www.drgw.net/trips/index.html?tr=SWS2

(3) We’ve had an interesting week – many of our familiar faces as of late haven’t been ‘round or if they have, been rather quiet. However, for those who have – we’ve enjoyed some of the absolute best exchanges in the 4 plus months of ”Our” Place. Very illustrative of what I’ve been saying – it’s not the quantity of Posts, it’s the quality! [tup][tup][tup]

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 08:19:23 (87) Friday’s News & Summary

(2) Gunns Kevin Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 08:59:14 (87)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 10:07:23 (87) reply to Gunns

(4) Gunns Kevin Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 12:23:22 (87)

(5) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 13:15:01 (87)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 13:45:37 (87) reply to Gunns

(7) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 13:53:33 (87) reply to West Coast S

(8) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 15:20:44 (87)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 15:52:25 (87) reply to West Coast S

(10) passengerfan Al Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 17:20:52 (87)

(11) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 17:33:03 (87)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 17:43:41 (87) reply to passengerfan

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 17:48:52 (87) reply to West Coast S

(14) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 19:12:40 (87)

(15) West Coast S Dave Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 19:13:21 (88)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 19:24:04 (88) reply to West Coast S

(17)siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 19:30:11l (88) reply to earlydiesels

(18) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 27 Aug 2005, 00:29:20 (88)

(19) barndad Doug Posted: 27 Aug 2005, 06:45:52 (88)

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 27 Aug 2005, 07:01:11 (88) reply to barndad & trolleyboy

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Good Morning!

barndad - long time, no see. Glad you've enojyed the Posts ....

trolleyboy Rob So that's why the pizza had a different taste! [swg]

Catch ya later - I'm off to a medical test ........

Cindy has the bar! [}:)][:-,] Be nice, fellas ........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good Morning Tom and friends! I'll have some tea and a sticky Mentor pastry please.
Reading over the posts of the last week has been truely impressive !!

Gunns, I really enjoyed your trip link. It's going to take a while to fully explore it. Activity in the steam shop has been curtailed while Thomas is in town, so nothing new to report there.

Have a great day everyone ..... I'm off to do some biking!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening fellers. Tom I think a semi alchoholic milkshake( kaluha and icecream blended ) is in order this evening, Oh and the deluxe meat lovers pizza too, though not the one Boris has been busy concocting[:0][xx(]Racoon and chipmunk are not proper pizza toppings[:p]. Perhaps the jonts to the forest are not necessarily a good thing for our missing link [alien]. Any how I concur with you Tom, Dave wonderfull bit of prose that. In keeping with the nautical +train theme. The two cross lake steamers run by the NS&T were the SS Northumberland ( which burned to the waterline in 1949 worst lake disaster on the canadian side in numbers of deaths ) and the SS Dalhousie City. Also in Ontario the L&PS met the cross lake ferry SS Asthtabula carrying people and railcars from Cleveland and conneaught to Port Stanley. Out on the right coast CN sent passengers and railcars to the Narrowguage Newfoundland lines as well. Ted I'm glad you take the trolley time in Tampa sounds like a neat run by your accounts and by their website[tup][;)] Touist or not as this type of " new classic " takes hold and becomes viable more should follow suit. I suppose it's not the how and where that's important it's that we try. Eventually the powers at be will see that they have no choice so Tom's [banghead] run in's with transit and gov authorities will eventually take root, and perhaps before we are all sod bound.Well gentlfolks I'd love to stay and caht longer but alas I have saturday duty as dave refers to it as. Bye for now. Rob[:)]

[siberianmo]

Hello earlydiesels Dan

Didn't see you behind Dave's Post - my apologies!

Well, there's two of us who really appreciated the moving piece Posted by Dave. Sez it all, for sure. [tup][tup][tup]

Diesels have always been my favorite and while i'm hardly an on the subject, they simply captivate my attention. Been that way since I was a kid. The only exception to the rule is the GG-1 of PRR fame - preferred the tuscan with 5 stripes. [yeah]

Now that surely doesn't mean that the 4-8-4's and their cousins weren't something to gawk at - for they surely were. But with advent of diesels came all of those great looking passenger consists, with the Budd's leading the way. [yeah] Diesel on! [swg]

One Jose comin' up .........

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Sir Dave

That originality of yours could keep you in spending money - if only to support your love of trains (real & model). Again, really enjoyed it - summed up my thoughts on the subject, for sure.

Boris The bell, please ........ Good choice regarding Cindy, I do know she's rather sweet on Nick [C=:-)] which is why she volunteers for kitchen duty.

Catch ya later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Tom and the gang.. Glad you enjoyed it. I don't know if it's worthy copyright material, just something I composed in the spirit of the moment.

Earlydiesel, there was a missed oppertunity to perserve a DL109, New Haven retained one in storage until the Penn Central merger, the last DL109 in existence anywhere. It's continued survivial was a well known fact, that PC would have no use for it was also well known. No attempts were made to ensure it avoided the scrap heap. Oppertunity once lost is oppertunity lost forever.


Boris, a round for the house, and no, Cindy is not part of tonight's menu!

Dave [tup]

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. I'll take a tequila, neat, please. Dave, I agree wholeheartledly with Tom about the last post. That was moving and captured the feeling that must have permeated the nation when steam was in its death throes.
Too bad the historical diesel movement wasn't around in 1963. We would have one more PA. Doyle McCormack notwithstanding, 1 PA with a few hulks is not enough of this graceful diesel. I happen to think Alco's earlier passenger diesel, the DL109, was attractive. Saw a b&w photo yesterday of a new ATSF unit and I realized then how under appreciated this model is by students of industrial design.
Ted, how about some memories of Frisco passenger trains. You mentioned the Tulsan and the Oil City Flyer-I believe these were SLSF trains.

[siberianmo]

G'day Dave

Sorry to learn about the nix of your transfer. I recall how happy you were when you thought it was a Go.

I have to ask - WHERE did all of that wonderful analogy come from [?] If it is original stuff - you need to copyright it. If it is from other sources, please share them with us. Really introspective and really covers all the bases. Well done!

Thanx! That's a Post worth saving - which I will do.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day passengerfan Al

Seems like awhile since you've been in - probably not - but it just seems so. Crown it is - Boris ring the bell! [yeah]

From the relative little that I know regarding the real transporation companies of old, Canadian Pacific had to be the world's largest and leader in that area. They surely had a well integrated system - trains, planes, ships and hotels. They did it right and often.

Change is inevitable and wil always be a dynamic we either accept or give in to. It's just that simple, I guess. Doesn't mean we have to like the changes, though .......

Enjoy the evening and thanx for the Post and informative stuff. [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Tom... Saturday duty can be pretty dull around here. Command reversed the decision to release me for a new assignment, so the next available oppertunity to apply will be mid next year. So for now, business as usual.

I agree with the extinction of the attending aspects associated with diesel and the passenger train. I think the following puts it in presepective.

Dieselization permited longer faster, heavier trains, run more frequently, thus requiring new means to keep apart. Farewell to the train order station, written orders the telegraph and the manual block control. farewell to the jobs they created and the communities they supported.


Farewell to the coal docks, water towers and roundhouses and turntables and all else associated with steam railroading , your day is done, replaced by the diesel that only requires a few tracks for servicing.

Farewell to the thousands of shopworkers, hostlers and millions more behind the scene who gave their all to keep the railroads running in time of peace and war.

Farewell to shops with legendary names such as Altoona, Roanoke, Cheyenne and a thousand more, farewell to the communities that once depended on you.

Farewell to the American passenger train , even the vaunted diesel could not save you from the technology of improved air and highway alternatives and changes in public preferances.

Farewell to the Pullman Porter, your time is done, you have served with honor for over a hundred years by catering to millions of travellers, farewell to the Pullman Company, your daring, innovative approach to rail travel helped bind a restless nation. Now, your time has come as well. You too have served with honor in time of war and peace.

Farewell to way of life, never to return and yet not so distant as to be completely forgotten.

Dave [tup]

[passengerfan]

Good evening Tom . Guess I'll have my usual CR and a round for the house.
Another West Coast Railroad owned steamship operation was the Great Northern Pacific operating two fast deluxe ships for their day the SS Great Northern and SS Northern Pacific between San Francisco and the mouth of the Columbia River where passengers boarded an SP&S train for Portland and connecting trains for Seattle and beyond. This was James J. Hills route to San Francisco since who could never get direct trackage to the city by the bay. The ships were able to compete with SP passenger trains of the day and fares were comparable.
The Canadian Pacific was even more into ships at one time operating the beautiful White Empress Liners to Japan, The Phillipines and Hong Kong prior to WW II from Vancouver. From Vancouver passengers could board the trains for Montreal or even beyond to Halifax by way of St. John, N. B. and then a ride on another CPR owned Coastal Steamship a Princess Liner where a connection was made with the CP owned Dominion Atlantic to Halifax or Yarmouth.
The CPR also operated Empress liners from Montreal and Quebec City Trans Atlantic so vast was the Canadian Pacific transportation system.
But in order to compete with close rival Great Northern CPR operated Coastal Steamships on several routes from Vancouver and Victoria. The Princess Liners provided service from Downtown Vancouver to Nanaimo on Vancouver Island numerous times daily. In direct competition with the GN they operated the Triangle route between Vancouver, Victoria and Seattle twice daily at one time. In the day runs following WW II they operated the SS Princess Marguerite and Princess Patricia licensed for 1,500 day passengers each. The overnights which I only had the opportunity to ride once were the SS Princess Joan and Princess Elizabeth. The Night boats disappeared in the late 1950's and other princesses lasted into the 1970's. The CPR also offered service to Alaska from Vancouver as well. Along with Hotels and later the Airline the CPR was indeed a complete transportation company.
Well must run for now.

[siberianmo]

G'day Dave

My son sometimes oversteps the bounds and gets a bit snarky when it comes to my travels on trains to hither and yon, rather than spending the time visiting where they reside. In response, I usually say something like we lived together long enough - it's now my time to do what I want! [swg] Translated: I could spend my remaining days aboard the passenger trains of yesteryear. The closest I can find to suit my needs are in Canada - that's fine with me. Wonder if my retirement check will sustain my high hopes [?] Nah. My bride will just have to get 'nother job! [swg]

I'm always put into somewhat of a funk when I think of the attendant industries that went by the wayside once our railroads turned that proverbial corner. With the advent of diesel - lots of things changed, but never as much as when the passenger roads left us. Lots and lots of ramifications there. Pity.

I've seen the FEC Key West extension remains once or twice in my travels down thataway. I knew about the hurricane's destruction of it, but never knew what the reason was for running a railroad of that magnitude into Key West. Now I know - thanx!

Regarding your duty Saturday - hope you have a challenger or two thrown your way, if for no other reason than to pass the time quickly! [tup] By the by, when are you off to your new assignment [?]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Hello again Tom and the gang... Great URL by Gunns, too many trains and not enough time!

On the subject of testing equiptment during the steam era, this is one example i'm familar with:

Pennsy maintained a test lab, complete with rollers, load testers, etc. and a chemical, fuel/water analysis lab within the Altoona Shops, N&W is known to have compiled the initial performance data for the A,J,Ys due to leasing test time from the Pennsy. N&W was never comfortable with the controlled enviorment concept favored by the Pennsy. N&W would return to Roanoke, which was also equipped with additional research assets specific to the N&W needs, and expand the test results by placing each locomotive in revenue service under monitored conditions for a specified period of time before releasing to general service.

Tom... The Florida East Coast constructed the Key West extension to capture the steamship trade to Cuba. The entire line was destroyed by a Hurricane in 1932, and was never rebuilt. Reconstruction of the ill concieved line was explored during WWII, but FEC wanted no part of responsibilty for post war operation and maintaince of the cursed route.

Dave[tup]

[siberianmo]

Hello Dave

You are fast becoming the 2nd Oracle at "Our" Place! [tup] Good stuff, once again. You're on a roll .........

Duty on Saturday [?] Well at least it's only one day - I recall many a duty weekend, and those made for loooooooooong nights. Ugh.

I'm learning more 'n more about left coast rail and feel somewhat remiss in that while I was assigned out thataway I didn't pursue any of it. Not that I really could - for the things I was pursuing were hardly on rails! [swg] Anyway, it would be interesting to know where in the U.S. or Canada that there are rail and ship connections. I recall seeing lots of that kind of stuff in New York Harbor - but it was all the movement of freight cars on barges. But to integrate passenger rail with shipboard travel, then back to rail - well, that's something else indeed.

Interesting. Thanx! [tup][tup][tup]

By the by, check out that URL on the SFS that Gunns Kevin Posted .... I think you'll find it of interest.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

G'day Gunns Kevin

Now, that's better! Thanx - makes more sense now. I read the Trip Report and man oh man, it was not only full of interesting stuff, I learned about yet another chance at a rail experience. Don't know when I'll ever return to that part of the world - but if and when, I'll surely check into the SFS! [tup]

Tom

[West Coast S]

Morning Tom and the gang...Hmm, what have we in the mentor's bakery? Happy Thursday for those of us with Saturday duty.

I'd like to contribute to a few recent post, specifficaly those from Trolleyboy regarding electric railway marine operations. The Pacific Electric maintained controlling interest in the White Comet Lines, who's two intercoastal steamers YALE and HARVARD provided overnite connections to San Franciso during the twenties to mid thirties. PE provided parlor car service from downtown to a special boarding dock, the only time PE offered parlor car service. The effects of the depression and the disapearance of the HARVARD during a severe storm, with no survivors forced White Comet into recievership. Ownership of the YALE was assumed by the Catalina Steamship Company and she continued the intercoastal runs until her transfer to the Navy in 1940.

Catalina Steamship Company assumed all debt incurred by White Comet with the help of PE resources. PE was heavily promoting Santa Catalina Island as a relaxing way to spend the summer. When the public took notice, PE instituited the famous Catalina Specials to handle the influx, that as late as 1950 was the chosen means by more then one hundered thousand passengers since the inception of the service. PE built a dedicated line to the Catalina Docks to expidite a smooth transfer from shore to ship, these Catalina Specials were the longest and heaviest trains operated on the system and the only ones that offered checked baggage, the existing infastructure and facalities on Anaheim Street where unable to cope with these trains.

The Catalina Specials were some of the last revenue runs on the PE, only ending upon abandoment of the Long Beach Line in 1960.

PE was also involved in the throughbred horse trade, during horse racing season PE handled hundreds of horse cars, interchanged from the three steam roads, these roads did not have a physical rail connection within the Santa Anita Race track, PE did. These were known as racetrack specials, during racing season every available box motor was put into service to cope with the demands. When a box motor was unvailable, Leased SP power was subsutuited, thus Moguls, Consolidations and diesel power graced the overhead wires. All steam and diesel power leased to PE service were outfitted with overhead trolley poles to activate signals and grade crossing protection.

In the final decade, PE became dependent on leased SP power for freight duty as the unreliable and no longer economical to repair ancient box motors were retired and scrapped. PE envisioned the future as a dieselized freight feeder and carrier with all passenger operations abandoned or sold off and the overhead wires and supporting electrical facalities retired and scrapped. PE had cause to embrace such a bold change, during these years they ranked seventh in the nation in freight revenue generated and fourth in California.

It was not to be, reality would imprint a far different ending for the PE.

Dave [tup]

[Gunns]

Hi again Tom,
I edited the post, I think I missed a link.... fixed now.
Warm milk with baleys Irish Cream in it <g>.
time for sleep
Gunns

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Gunns Kevin

Ya got me there .... didn't follow your Post very well. Huh [?]

Regarding Classics I'm sure that Kalmbach may have a different definition than what we use 'round here. I wouldn't begin to try and define it - no thanx! [swg]

To my way of thinking, the Classics for ME are those that remain uppermost in my memory, plus those of today that are heading that way.

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Gunns]

Morning all,
coffee please,
Just a quick link,
http://www.drgw.net/trips/index.html?tr=SWS2
this is a trip report about the SFS and the Grand Canyon RR. The GCRR is probably the closest to a classic RR, one of our club members is a machinist there, He commutes out to Albuqurque every month or so to help out.

Later
Gunns

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

We made it – FRIDAY is here! [yeah] Why not start the day off with us by drawing a hot cuppa Joe from the urn(s) – regular or unleaded – pull out a pastry or two from the case of The Mentor Village Bakery’s finest and perhaps order a [light] breakfast. Can’t think of a better place to be ……..

News of the Day:

COMMENTARY Once again I want to thank those of you who have taken the time to keep things interesting ‘round here. The talk has been terrific when it comes to our subject – Classic Trains.

For those who have been away from us and take the time to read these SUMMARIES, you’ve really missed out on some great stuff these past several days. Check ‘em out! [tup]

Tonight is Pizza Nite and Steak 'n fries as well. The gals will be workin' and the place should be hoppin' ....... [tup]

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) - Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 07:22:14 (86) Thursday’s News & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 08:25:26 (86)

(3) wrwatkins *** Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 08:55:03 (86)

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 09:21:24 (86) reply to Theodorebear

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 09:31:46 (86) reply to wrwatkins

(6) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 10:18:24 (86)

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 11:08:39 (86)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 11:20:08 (86) reply to Trainnut484

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 11:25:53 (86) reply to trolleyboy

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 14:22:27 (86) POST FROM THE PAST

(11) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 14:36:35 (86)

(12) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 15:35:59 (86) reply to earlydiesels

(13) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 16:27:06 (86)

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 17:09:08 (86) reply to Theodorebear

(15) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 18:43:07 (86)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 20:03:05 (86) reply to nickinwestwales

(17) West Coast S Dave Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 20:12:51 (86)

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 21:48:40 (86) reply to West Coast S

(19) pwolfe Pete Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 21:53:54 (86)

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 22:04:37 (86) reply to pwolfe

(21) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 22:49:50 (87)

(22) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 22:56:25 (87)

(23) Gunns Kevin Posted: 25 Aug 2005, 23:23:15 (87)

(24) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 06:12:14 (87)

(25) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 06:46:02 (87)

(26) siberianmo Tom Posted: 26 Aug 2005, 08:07:11 (87) reply to trolleyboy – Gunns – Theodorebear

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Mornin’ Guys!

I see we’ve had some activity since my departure …. So let’s get to the responses:

Hi Rob

Hmmmmmmmm, when is FISH ‘n Chips Nite NOT FISH Nite[?] When Nick offers up a menu fit for Kings (and Queens!) [swg] Lamb! That’s two of ya on a nite that YOU helped orchestrate way back when ……… HOWEVER , the lamb is a good choice! [tup]

Appreciate the comments. My presumption is you are referring to the Age of Steam Museum in Dallas web site at:

http://www.dallasrailwaymuseum.com/collection.html

The 1967 Confederation Train Purple People Eater (my name!) may be viewed at:

http://expo67.ncf.ca/confederation_train_1967.html
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Gunns Kevin

Glad someone ‘round here is eating the fish! A bit too late to throw ‘em back, wouldn’t you agree [?]

I’ve been at a crossing or two where you could feel the rumble and listen to the roar as a fast moving train moved through. Don’t know about 75 mph – bet that was an experience.

Good info on the Dynamometer cars. I’d like to know more ‘bout ‘em. Always wondered when I’ve seen ‘em on the right-of-way ‘round here. Seen a couple with U.S. Department of Transportation livery too. Now there’s a job! [swg]
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Ted

Keep your pecker up! Now there’s an expression that requires a bit of elaboration. A couple of the guys spewed forth their OJ on that one! [swg]

Nick certainly did it up Royal last night, eh [?] You obviously are appreciative of fine foods, something it appears our Chief Chef [C=:-)] is no stranger to and with. [tup][tup]

I follow your thinking regarding light rail. Reducing it to simplicity perhaps has merit – but there will never be a replacement for what we once had. When I ride the St. Louis MetroLink the joy factor just isn’t there. It’s a way to get somewhere for many. For me – I have to drive over 20 miles just to get to a station – then ride it for the sake of riding – then back to the parking lot for trip home. Anyway, I concur wholeheartedly regarding lines of gas guzzling machines sitting at idle or moving at crawl speed in comparison to our electric powered LRV’s ….. but methinks we’re mixing apples with walnuts here. Passenger trains – especially of the Classic kind just cannot be matched in conversation with LRV’s.

(Note the difference between ours and LA – MetroLink vs Metrolink – I got into a flap some years ago with an authority figure who didn’t know or care about the difference in the appearance of the acronym. My point was, if you’re going to come across as the end-all-of-knowledge regarding light rail, at least take the time to get the reference correct! He was beside himself, whereas I remained stoic – suppressing many urges.)

Glad you appreciate the SUMMARIES – from the limited feedback I’ve received, they appear to be more friendly than the redundant narratives ……

Stay safe 'n dry!
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Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Ah yes, Rob, my apologies! Yes, when I go to South Tampa (Ybor City), I make a point of riding TECO'S Birney Clones. The cars run very well and are too comfortable. The location and routing is strictly with tourist's dollars in mind. New Orleans carefully avoided the French Quarter. Tampa's Ybor City is their Latin Quarter and they fully exploited that as a tourist venue. The St Charles line in N.O. supports local needs while the Rivefront line is more commercial. Hey Tom, thanks again for the Summaries, I caught my ommision easily. See ya later.