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[Anonymous]

Happy Friday to all who must fight the concrete treadmill M-F. A few of us have been "down that road" and, believe me, the gold at the "end of the rainbow" is worth every swear word, grid-lock and toll booth along the way. As the old British expression has it: "Keep your pecker up!"[:D] However, you may wi***o take a closer look at your retirement plans if they happen to include Florida.[:-^] Tom, stay where you are, I'll help meself to the Bakery's fre***oasted Bagels and a Thermos of hot Joe. The "Thermos" is for a hasty departure just in case, don't ya know.[;)]

Nick [C=:-)], what a tour de force last night's "Picks" turned out to be.[^] How you manage delicate French cuisine with the artistry of a Maestro's baton, then turn to rolling pin, meat hammer and battle mace for provencial Welch fare confounds me.[tup] Sure beats Breakfast Burritos, eh Gunns? But Nick maybe the greatest mystery is how your goods budget at "Our" Place manages to stay "in the black?"[tup] [tup]

Rob, Tom and ***, although the varnish and hand burnished brass of yore may be forever history; vinyl, glass and epoxy on rails is still preferable to gas lines, CO exhaust and fender benders along life's journey![8D] Imagine the raise in your net income without insurance, fuel, maintenance, et al. at the end of the month.[:D] We could all afford our "dream layout" with a "classic roster" thrown in to boot.[^] We won't even mention eliminating the "stress" factor![:O]

I'm putting all personal travel plans "on hold" 'till this storm season is over (November).[V] I am far and away more fearful of looters, vultures, scam artists and FEMA bureaucrats than any damage nature could do. So, its back to the 1:87 and 1:29 variety for this C.E.O.! Okay, if I missed any "heavy" train talk this Post; its nothing personal. Just remind me and I'll "get to it."[:I] Happy rails to you's. I'll try to get back a.s.a.p.!

[Gunns]

Even Tom and all,
Nick yer manking me hungry,
I'll have what you said <especially the Trout> and some Coffee. at work here,

As for the AFT, when the 76 western version came through, I went about 30 miles West of Phoenix, and chased in in to town. The police had all the stop light blocked for us in the small towns and we were allowed to blast through town at 75 mph to keep up with the train.

Pwolf locomotive testing out here for the Santa Fe was to get a Dynamoniter car and then to pull a train over Raton Pass <3.5% grade>
Well Im Changing Batteries tonight <3000.00 ea 2.5 vdc 100000 amps> so ring the bell, at least some one can get a drink.
Gunns

[trolleyboy]

Oh forgot a couple of things. Tom Loved the dallas url good stuff [tup] hope everyone caught the url a page or so back and ckecked it out. Tom & Dave Though I wasn't around for it, looking at the 1967 confederation train for Canada's hundreth makes you wonder. The CN/CP sponsored train was a passionate purple and white concoction. First and only time I've ever seen maple leaves done up in purple. This train was loud compared to even the ACL's purple and silver[:O] Well folks this time I'm off to bed for sure. Leon send a round out to the remanders of the house for me, thanks [tup] Rob

[trolleyboy]

Evening Tom, I'll have a CR and the lamb as well. Haven't had a good piece of lamb since I don't know when[tup]Pwolf I don't know about the US but EMD has a test track in London Ontario at the locomotive plant,they had stationary load testers as well,not sure if they are still there or not,next time I'm in London i'll check. Ted definatly batten the hatches you don't want to end up in Kansas by antway other than by train[:p][;)][:0] I concur though the Whitt's had much more personality than the PCC but at least the PCC's were still streetcars. I think that you will see more cities opting for light rail of some description IMHO it makes eceonomic sence espeacially with oil prices as they are. I know of at least three Canadian cities ( mid size ) seriously looking at their options. Do you ride the TECO line when you get the chance?I'm wondering how do the phoney Birney's run? If they work out well maybe more cities will opt for the "new old " Whitt clones anyone?Anyway a late night yeaterday and an early day tomorrow means Rob's fading fast[|)] Nite all [zzz][zzz]

[siberianmo]

Hey Pete

Just caught your Post before checking out ..... Happy you made it in. By the by, that supply of Welsh brew that Nick sent, finally made it. We've got some in the back with the remainder sitting in our reefer car over at the CP siding, just 'round the bend.

You've hit it just right with the stuff going on here. Can't remember more meaningful and continuous discussions going on since we began on April 12th. Just browsing through the Posts of the past three days - rather few that they've been - for the most part, there''s some quality offerings in them. A shame that a few of our regulars are missing out on this ......

A locomotive on test - now that must have been something to witness. No protection for the ears in those days, eh [?] While I'm not at all familiar with such locations, my bet is that we've got a guy or two who will provide some amplifying info on U.S. sites ....

The gals are just about ready to serve your meal and your pint is right in front of you. Enjoy! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[pwolfe]

HI Tom and all
A pint of the regular and a round please for the wonderful conversations over the last couple of days I am slowly learning about American railroads[tup].
One of the things I wish I could recall better is a visit my Dad took me to at a early age to the Rugby Locomotive Test Plant where we met someone who allowed inside to see a loco on test. The loco was on rollers with the driving wheels a blur but the engine not moving an inch.Dad said the noise was tremendous but I just stood there fascinated.
Many years later an old driver worked in the same factory as I and he used to recall turns at the test plant ,he said it was a good job for a driver, although noisy, but for a stoker it was a hard shift with the rollers loaded to simulate the cars and the engine being flat out, there was often two stokers he said. Was there a plant like in the U.S.
Anyway Tom can I have the roast lamb and another pint please and I will try to call in again soon. [yeah]

[siberianmo]

Hi West Coast S Dave

Now that's quite a Post - once again. You've made my night 'round here, for sure. [tup][tup][tup] [yeah]

That 1947 Freedom Train pre-PA was a beautiful machine nonetheless. Alco and their PA's have always been right up there as my favorites of locos - love that look. Definitely appreciate the history provided ...... Thanx! [tup]

In toy trains, A.C. Gilbert's American Flyer had some beauties back when I was a kid. Perhaps not the detail one can find with today's products, but still fine looking in comparison with anything else marketed at the time. I suppose that's what began my fascination with S-gauge trains, although I never got into them until this year.

I concur with your assessment regarding the diversity found 'round here - really lends itself to some great conversations.

Sound the alarm, Boris Crown Royal for the house on Dave! [wow]

Leon the Night Man has sauntered in, wearing his spiffy Jump Boots of course. Time for me to check out ...... [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Afternoon Tom and the gang, I see the clapper fund is keeping pace with the national debt [?] Round of Crown Royal if you could.

Tom, expanding on Trainut484 4449AFT recollections. The pending tour of the AFT touched off several events such as the co-event sponsored by the SP that invited the Bicentenial diesels of WP,SF & BN for a display at the Embarcadero. Haven't seen it mentioned once among the railfan community, a forgotten note to history perhaps or we were too into Disco and Pet Rocks to notice!


A few historical notes regarding a certain PA Tom alluded to that was star attraction of the 1947 ATF. At the conclsion of the tour it was was placed in storage by Alco pending a buyer. GM&O agreed to purchase the unit if Alco would upgrade it to PA1 standards. It survived until falling victim to a massive Alco purge in 1963. GM&O and Alco were aware of it's historical status and offered the unit to the Smithsonian for preservation, the offer was declined, the PA was scrapped.

Technically, calling it a PA is a misnomer, pre-PA would be a better discription, one of the first constructed, Offering it to ATF duty, garnered Alco some well needed publicity and also gave the design staff the oppertunity to throughly study reliability in real world conditions. Of note, several railroads had expressed an interest in just such a passenger unit, so, Alco had to deliver hard data to assure success of the new PA line and promote the 251 diesel over rival manfactures.

Great recollections from all, it's amazing, for all the diversity among us, that certain first encounter ties us all with a common thread.
Dave [tup]

[siberianmo]

Nick the [C=:-)] Chief Chef has spoken, and [dinner] dinner is served! Man oh man, what a menu! And to think that this all began as a modest Fish 'n Chips Nite in our early days! I believe Rob was the impetus behind it back then ....... [tup]

Where does one come up with such a variety and also the expectation that one could possibly eat that much food [?]! [wow]

So it's Crown Sterling, eh [?] I don't think sooooooooo, Mate! The differential between U.S. and Canada in tems of currency - simply isn't a problem these days. So, paydays will continue to be in cold, hard cash - payble in the Rat's Patoot Room - where else [?] [swg] Nice try! [;)]

Appreciate the round for the boyz - Boris put down the doll and ring the bell! [:-,][}:)]

Thanx for stopping by .......

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening One and All and welcome to the weather-proof environs of cyber space,TED-good luck riding out the big blow,[4:-)]TOM,beer for all if you please,the weekend is close enough to taste and this side of the pond it`s also the last bank holiday of the summer season-a lively few days are in prospect [^][^] -So,to business-Fish night:- as the bountiful river Cleddau is currently throwing out fish faster than they can be caught,tonights selection will be largely local-produce based........kicking in at the lighter end of the scale,we have (for GUNNS) Penclawdd cockles & lava bread with Gower bacon, Abereiddy smokehouse mackerel pateed with Llangoffen fen cream & garden shallots,served with gooseberry & ginger sauce & wholemeal toast, a pint of Llangwm brine-cured whole shell prawns with salad bowls, Puddleduck Farm trout stuffed with field mushrooms & wild garlic and wrapped & baked served with Winterton farm baby new potatoes and a green salad, dressed Jack Sound crab with granary bread and braised leek au gratin, Bass poached in rum,lime and sweet chilli and pan-fried Sewin steaks with shallots & a mustard sauce both with baby news and James of St Davids organic carrots,brocoli,french beans & cauliflower. for the non fish lovers (like myself) we have noisettes of local-farm lamb,pan fried with reform sauce and game chips served with the vegetable platter or 12oz Welsh Black sirloin steak with grilled tomato,onion rings,mushrooms,double fried eggs and a side plate of fries tall enough to interfere with conversation..............................roll up ,roll up-get `em while they`re hot..! O.K-I`m off out to the kitchen to make sure Boris is properly tethered,gimp mask in place etc(........................sooo hungry............) and prepare tonights piscine feast,[4:-)]TOM-another for thee and me and same again for the stools if you would-It could be a long and difficult night given the recent resolution of the track gangs ongoing wages dispute-personally,I felt that deciding to pay everyone on the Can-Am staff in sterling so as to avoid U.S/Cdn $ imbalance was a stroke of genius-chat later chaps,regards to all,nick[C=:-)]

[siberianmo]

Hi Ya Sir Ted

They've reported that Tropical Storm Katrina is now a Category 1 Hurricane with sustained winds at 75 mph. Rode out of ferw of those storms in my day both in the radio shack - hanging on for dear life and later on up on the Bridge - wondering, how in blazes did I get this job [?] Not great fun nor are they anything to fool with. As you've indicated - make sure those hatches are battened down. More than one vessel lies on the bottom because of faulty hatch closings or just plain negligence. The Edmund Fitzgerald comes to mind ........ [tdn]

One of the drawbacks for me regarding being here so much is the tendency to think that everyone has nothing better to do than occupy their time in cyber space. That's just plain nonsense - I know it - you all know it - but somehow, the thought persists. I've got to rethink the time spent 'round here ........

Now to the subject at hand: The resurrection of passenger rail in the form of tranist (aka: light rail). Well, we know that yesterday's trolleys were really the light rail of the era - just didn't call it that. While I'm a proponent for light rail and virtually anything 'n everything that will restore passenger rail - it just ain't the same, nor will it be. The LRV's are just places to sit or stand while the vehicle moves between the urban stations. Whereas, those wonderufl passenger trains we all like to remember, were our homes on steel rails - kitchens (dining cars) - bedrooms (slumber coaches, bedroom cars, etc.) - patio rooms (observation domes) - storage rooms (baggage cars) - community centers (lounge areas) and of course the neighborhood bars (tavern cars). Tranist with their LRV's serve a purpose and provide just a wee bit of excitement to and for those of us who dearly love rail travel - but it surely ain't the same. Then again, what is [?]

Catch ya later and thanx for the Post and the round! Boris ring the bell ...... [tup]

Tonite is Fish 'n Chips Nite!!! and whatever Nick has in store for us with his Nick's Picks! [yeah]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Hey, its me again back from picking up a few things at the nearby Publix (market). Tom let's have a good luck round for "fair weather" on me.[tup] It looks as if Tropical Storm Katrina should "land" near Ft Lauderdale, Fl, then cross the State toward Ft. Meyer, Fl., thence to the Gulf. For us, the worst case scenario is She regains strength in the Gulf and plows up Tampa Bay. Its all academic to me because I'm ready to batten down post haste.[bow]

Russell, glad you enjoyed the "trip" and Yes, I've traveled both the "Tulsan" and the "Oil Flyer" to and from K.C., MO. [tup]Yep, just a little older than you, my first "Encounter of the Third Kind" was in the West Bottoms near Wilson's Packing Plant where a 0-6-0 was shifting cars behind my Dad's offices (before 1951 flood). The whistle scared the begemins out of me. I've was "hooked" on steam from then on until today. The "high line" (elvated open girder) ran just north of this site in full view from the front windows. Lot's of steam came by and at relatively high speed.[^] Sorry, didn't have Polaroids or 35 mm then, sure wish we did.[:(] As a kid, I thought these monsters would be around forever. Near "the end," I did get some black and white pix of steam which sufficed until the colorful epoch of the Diesels began.

Rob, about the same time K.C. went all P.C.C.'s, the major Roads went all Diesel (mid 1950's). For me, it was a double "Whammy" because the old Whitt's, Brills, Birney's and steam were the "cat's posterior" in my world.[V] Know what? They still are![:D] As West Coast Dave mentioned, most of the old "bricked in" girder rail was simply paved over with asphalt with ghosts from the past "arising from the dead" on well worn streets.[swg] I still say the "light" rail you see today is but a prophecy of the near future.[2c] Hope I'm here to see it too.

Okay, some great posts happening hereabouts. Let's all "keep 'em coming." Tom, I hope the "Environmentalists" don't get wind of Boris and Leon terrorizing the wild life 'round Can-Am Gorge. On second thought..."Bring 'em on!" Happy rails all.

[siberianmo]

G'day earlydiesels Dan

Was beginning to wonder if anyone would stop in this afternoon .... happy to see ya! [tup]
Man is it ever slow 'round here this week .......

Size comparisons can be intimidating. I remember seeing one of my ships out of the water in dry dock. The props seemed huge - then I took a walk over to an adjacent dock and looked at tanker - [wow] - dwarfed ours by a good amount. As someone coined it's all relative .......

Train travel, in my opinion, is not for getting there - it's for the experience of doing it. When we travel by train - our attitude is who cares if we keep to the schedule by the minute (what RR does in N. America anyway [?]) Enjoy the setting - the scenery and the company. That's the way it is for us ..... [tup]

Ole Juke has perked up a bit and unless those guys from the Track Gang decide to pick 'er up and bounce 'er once or twice, she should be oaky. [swg]

Appreciate the fiver for the clanger - although I can't imagine a new one is going to make all that much of a difference!

Catch ya later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. A Guiness, please. The Welsh beer was great but left a awful headache the next morning.
Russell, I remember the AFT. 2 guys my age rode with the next door neighbor to Jefferson City to see it. It was already parked so we did'nt get to see it arrive. I remember standing in line for the tour and some of the national treasures inside. What I remember most was 4449. The neighbor's name was Paul and he was a big fellow, about 6' 4" , and the drivers dwarfed him. I studied that loco intensely. Later, I bought a vinyl album(remember those?) of this engine and about wore it out. Beautiful locomotive.
I have few memories of train travel so I enjoy reading and hearing about others'. Have amassed a collection of pass. train books in the personal library to study about the way things were(and should be). I have realized, after 9 seasons of being around them, that train travel is addicting.
Hey Tom, I've noticed the jukebox is playing quite well and has some new additions. Here's another five for the jar Dave started. Some things just wear out.

[siberianmo]

Howdy Guys!

Well, we've got yet another slow day on our hands - so, it's time for 'nother

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This one is from Page 5, and is a Classic from Nick

QUOTE: nickinwestwales
Posted: 28 Apr 2005, 04:44:25
Joined: 16 Apr 2005

Hey,Tom-another of those cold Molsons please and as it`s payday a round for the house, as and when they straggle in!! Well it`s a day off for me(the best sort-everyone else is working) and blowing a gale out there so time to sit a while.

So,Ontario Northland,classic or not?...discuss....[takes me back to schooldays] Well ,first a disclaimer,I`ve never travelled on any of these lines,so all this is "received wisdom" picked up from the (un)official O.N. railfan site,but they caught my imagination. In part because of the manageable size of the outfit (in modelling terms) and partly the off the beaten track,frontier feel of the place.

So,the trains, The Northlander runs daily from Toronto up to Cochrane via North Bay ( C.N. trackage to N.Bay ) Normal formation seems to be G.P.38-2,A.P.U (converted "B" unit for car heating ) 2 coaches and a food service car ( coverted G.O.cars ) until fairly recently,power was any one of the last 3 F.P.7a`s dating back to `51 or 2 but retro-fitted with 2000 hp Caterpiller prime movers. Also seen on this service although not sucessful and long withdrawn ,were a number of Dutch built Werkspoor T.E.E units.

This service meets bus connections along the route serving the various `branches ` although It`s predecessor the Northland sleeper carried connecting portions and could include virtually anything. Heading north from Cochrane we have the Polar Bear Express,a summer-only tourist run up to Moosonee up in the arctic circle--this is usually a twin G.P38 lashup although Cochrane shed will happily use whats available,usually a dozen plus cars including domes,food service etc ( think these came from B.C.Rail and C.P.R . The Little Bear is the 3-times-weekly mixed to Moosonee--Beyond Cochrane you are in the tree line and the track is the only land route in or out so this is a community lifeline, The little bear runs about a dozen freight cars(lots of flats with big plant,containers etc,fuel tanks,general stores. According to season,a "canoe car" ( bulkhead flat with special racks fitted) and a "moose car" (50` box for dressed carcases) are available. so a thumbnail essay.

Thats left me thirsty so same again and i`ll just perch over here at the end of the counter, take care now, nick

POST FROM THE PAST

Enjoy!

Tom, Proprietor of "Our" Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Rob

Tweeeeeeeeeet Tweeeeeeeeeeet, Rules violation, rules violation! Failure to greet the barkeep - Rule #1. Sheesh! Boris Ring the bell - this guy is going to pay! [swg]

While I'd love to hear that music you rererred to, I seriously doubt that St. Louis will be a venue. We have a modest collection of CD's of the Maritimes - purchased from a friend's shop up in Sydney over the years - and we always enjoy the music. In fact we've introduced a few friends to it and they've ordered some discs as well .......Nothing like referrals, eh [?]

Be seein' ya - and remember, no words for the barkeep and it'll cost ya! [;)]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Hello Russell

This isn't a good time of year to be down[ with anything ...... except perhaps, well ... oh, never mind! [}:)][:-,] Hope your recovery is quick ..... Ain't the same 'round here without those Santa Fe Posts! [swg]

Nice story - and perhaps we're heading off to day #2 of some really good stuff. It's those memories we all have that when brought to life in this place, just makes for a feel good experience! One day that little boy you mentioned might share his experiences with others, as you have! [tup] Appreciate your sharing it with us.

The Freedom Train that I recall was way back in the 1940's (1947-49). This train was a streamlined beauty - all decked out in white with blue ' red stripes. It was powered by an Alco PA in the same livery with 1776 on the number boards and Spirit of 1776 painted on the sides. It carried some really important documents - all in protective cases and with armed guards - one was our Declaration of Independence and the other was the Constitution. The train was in a B&O siding nearby where I lived as a kid in Staten Island, NYC. Can't say that I have the vivid recollections that you have - but I do remember going through it with my father - and wishing that the train would go somewhere with us aboard! [yeah] Anyway, it was one of those things you never forget - perhaps not always in the front of the memory, but it's there nonetheless. Thanx for bringing it back! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Morning folks just a quick fly by for a coffee and hello. I've got to go pay the bills ie work. didn't pop in yesterday as I picked up a couple of concert tickets for my wife and I. An early aniversary presant (Oct 5) The concert was enjoyed and alls well in Rob's world.If any of you get a chance when and if they come to your town grab a ticket for the Great Big Sea. One of Newfoundlands finest musical ensembles. *** Your welcome on the heads up. Mechanically and electrically you should have no problems with those cars. If you do find rust remember that the metal work on the PCC's is unibody so you can't just pull of the panel in question,bondo and hard work I'm affraid. The doors can get a bit shabby, we keep alot of extras around because sometimess it isn't worth fixing them. west coast Thanks for the PE info. It is nice to hear that some efforts have saved some historical bits. case in point at teh museum we have Rockwood's GT station. We had it moved to the museum in 1971 because CN and the Town of rockwood wanted it gone. It looks quite nice now and another piece of history is safe! When I wander along the bits and pieces of the NS&T as well you see where much of it was just paved over as well. Unfortunatly the city of St Catharines in it's infanite wisdomtemnds to tear up and remove it as they find it now.So nohopes of restoring service there now with out alot of capitol. It's too bad too because the NS&T was a true interurban system they operated city cars , interurban cars buses, electric frieght operations and even two cross lake boat's from pt dalhousie to Toronto along with an amusemnet park. They were also the last interurban to pull uot of electric operations(1960 )Well gents I'm off catch you all later. Rob

[Trainnut484]

Good morning Tom and all [:)]. I'll have a hot cup of coffee and a danish. Sorry I haven't checked in much, been under the weather and now going through the final stages of it. Ted, your detailed trip made me feel like I was there [^]. Sounds like you were either on "The Tulsan" or "Oil Flyer" from KC to Tulsa.

I'll have a little tid bit myself although it's about the American Freedom Train led by SP 4449. It was touring on the Santa Fe back in 1975 and stopped in Emporia, Ks, while enroute to KC. Yes, I was only 4, but I remember like it was yesterday because it was the very first time I saw a steam engine. My mother and I went down to the Commercial St crossing (main street), which the police had it blocked off because the 4449 was going to stop there to take on water. The fire department was getting their hoses out and ready to hook up the water. A reporter from one of the Topeka, Ks TV stations was there, and I thought it was strange him being there because he was the Sports reporter.

The 4449 and train came in and she stopped where X marked the spot. Mom took a couple of pictures. I just stood there in amazment, taking it all in, staring at the big wheels and smelling and feeling the hot steam. This was sure different than the ones in my picture books. Then the biggest shock of 'em all, the engineer blew the whistle. I ducked like something was thrown at me. I've never heard a steam whistle before.

Fast forward to 1992 when ATSF 3751 and UP 3985 were on display together at the Topeka, RR days festival. I was taking a picture of the 3985 when out of the corner of my eye, I saw a young boy beside me, maybe 6 or 7, just staring in shock and awe at 3985. The whistle blew and the boy just dropped to the ground. His father came up from behind and picked him up. He told me that it was the first time his son heard a steam whistle.

My mind went back to the AFT.

More coffee please, thanks.

Russell

[siberianmo]

Mornin' ***

You must have posted right at the time I was preparing a response to Ted .... happens.

Glad to know that you're fit 'n ready to go for 'nother round. The alternative stinks .......[swg]

We have a friend in Sydney, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia and have spent a bit of time up there. As you may recall, my bride's family now resides in the Halifax area (Bedford - on the basin) and we've been visiting up that-a-way at least annually over the last 15 years or so. It is sad to see the state of affairs up in Cape Breton and especially the Sydney area. As the mines shut down, so has the economy. The whole of it is far too much, and rather inappropriate for this thread, so I'll leave it at that. There are some marvelous attractions and you mentioned one - the Fort. There's also the Cabot Trail - and to do it justice, one should plan at least 3-days of travel - staying the night at any number of Inn's along the route. Fantastic scenery, given that the ever-present fog banks don't set in. [tdn]

Although you've haven't made mention of it, I'm glad that you enjoyed your stay in Sackville, New Brunswick and the Marshlands Inn. At least one of my recommendations worked out, given that the Ocean and the Budd stainless steel cars didn't quite measure up to expectations .....

Take care 'n see ya soon! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Mornin' Sir Ted

Didn't expect to be hearing from you given the weather situation in your part of the world. I expect that the hurricane will provide you with the rain that WE need here in mid-continent! Go figure ...... stay safe 'n dry!

My morning schedule is now back to normal as reveille 'round here is about 5:10 AM (Central). My bride is back to the regular semester of courses, which means she has an 8 o'clock class. I'm able to devote a bit of time, usually right after returning home with Juneau -the Wonder Husky and Mascot of "Our" Place to check the Posts 'n get off some responses along with the SUMMARY. So, not to worry - your time zone isn't fooling with you nor is your internal clock. Just ole Siberianmo up 'n at 'em earlier .......... Phew!

Panty hose around the clapper [?] Must be West Coast S Dave He's started a fund to purchase a new clapper - that's his fiver in the jar over there between the pickled pig's feet and hard boiled eggs. [swg]

I'm one who never traveled that fabled Santa Fe route you described so well. As chronicled in previous Posts, I'm a relative new comer to the world of traveling passenger trains as a fully accredited paying passenger - adult & senior fares! [swg] Nevertheless, the description you provided does conjure up some memories of my own experiences with VIA Rail.

While I haven't had the need to dip into my private stash of miniatures (collected from a few zillion airline trips in business & first class along with some purchased back in the 50's 'n 60's [yeah] that's correct!) I've befriended a few Park Car attendants over the years and have had no difficulty with obtaining my favorite beverage(s) while sitting in the dome, awaiting departure.

I've taken a few solo-trips between Montreal, Quebec and a place called Sackville, New Brunswick where there is a nice turn-around in time - about 4 hours between trains. The overnight from Montreal gives me the fix I require while experiencing the observation dome (Park Car), bedroom and dining cars. Just love it. While in Sackville, there's just enough time to visit with a friend of mine, then it's back on the train - another great night - and arrival much too early the next morning in Montreal. I used to really enjoy a full breakfast in the diner about an hour and half east of Montreal's Central Station. VIA Rail decided to scrap that morning service and now sells Continental Breakfasts as the only bill of fare. Those Continentals used to be provided back in the Park Car bullet lounge at no cost to those in Easterly Class (bedrooms). Alas, no more. Seems the new blood at VIA Rail have decided that upscale is where it's at, along with higher fares and less service. Go figure ........

Anyway, I too have enjoyed many an hour meeting new people, sharing stories, exchanging addresses and of course imbibing a bit - maybe even a bit more than I should have. Train travel - you gotta luv it! [tup]

Leon's social life - bwaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa ha! You've got to be kidding! But, I guess you're not ........ "Our" Place is his social life, especially since he's found Boris and the inflatables! [}:)][:-,][swg] When I first encountered this hulk of a man, he was shoeless, friendless, penniless and otherwise doing just fine. ([?]) Anyway, it seems that he's a rather shy guy in spite of his imposing look and doesn't really go out of his way to either befriend or alienate ... just a keep-to-himself kinda guy. I know he's a military vet and I also know he's as strong as Boris, so between the two of 'em, one would have better luck with the offensive line of the Green Bay Packers, or some such similar NFL entity. Social life - bwaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa ha! [yeah] On Sunday's I take the both of 'em up the cabin by Can-Am Gorge and they run amuk in the forest chasing the bears 'n wolves. Poor critters will never be the same - bears 'n wolves that is! [swg] Thanx for asking! Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaa ha!

Appreciate the POST, as always.

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good morning Y'all. I will have a couple of the fresh pasteries (prune Danish at my age) and some black coffee. Tom, thanks to the baker. He does a bang up job with the Danishes. Sorry I did not pop in yesterday. It was quite a hectic day. Had my annual heart check up in the morning, a tooth cleaning over lunch, and to the airport to pick up my wife who was returning from our daughter's home in Austin. After picking her up at 3 PM we just went home rather than back to the office. Happy to report that my stress test was passed with flying colors and all the chemistries were in line. As I have told my daughter my ambition is to live long enough to be a burden to her. It is pay back time!

Thanks Trollyboy for the update on the 4600 series of PCCs. We will be checking them for rust in the areas that you indicate. We mainly have to do some cosmetic work such as repainting. The bifold doors have to be rebuilt as they are in bad shape. Having beult a few sets for our vintage trolleys we do have the experience and tools to build them. Now all we need is the turn table and loop installed so we can run the PCCs.

As you know we spent a couple of weeks in the Maritimes arriving in Halifax on the over night Ocean from Montrael. We rented a car and drove 2500 km. With Canadian gas prices I will need to take out a small loan to pay the gas credit card charges. One of the cities we visited was Sydney in the northern part of Bretan Island. We found this city a little depressing. It was once the steel center of Canada, but all of this is gone. The mill closed and has been completely torn down. The associated coal mines near Louisbourg are also closed. There are still lots of railroad tracks in Sydney leading to where the steel mill was, but they are overgrown with weeds. The housing is 1920 vintage as you would see in the Pittsburgh-upper OIhio valley area. Quite depressing as I was raised in a dirty steel making town of Follansbee WV and lived in such a house. This is one of the reasons i no longer live in the Ohio valley. Another more important reason is PAYCHECK. Would have a hard time earning one in the rust belt.

There is a bright spot to the Sydney area. There was an old fort at Louisbourg that was built by the French a couple hundred years ago. Over time it changed hands between the French and British a couple times after lobbing a few cannon balls back and forth. Until recently the fort was essentially a pile of rubble. With the closing of the coal mines the government trained the unemployed miners to be masons, carpenters, etc and they have rebuilt the fort to its origional splendor. Archiologists documented all of the ruins in great detail. They recommend that you spent 4 hours visiting the fort. We thought this was way excessive until we arrived there. You could easily spend six hours or more there. It is well worth the visit and we highly recommend it.

I remember my first train trip. This was during the winter of 1944-45. My uncle was on the end on one of Adolphs grenades and last an arm and leg. The military commandeered several of the hotels in Atlantic City NJ for hospitals. That winter we made five trips from Follansbee to Atlantic City. I was familiar with steam engines on the mighty Pennsylvania, whose St. Louis main line was near our home. I woke up east of Harrisburg and asked what happened to the whistle as we were then powered by the great GG1 locomotive.

All for now. Better get back to work. I still need the paycheck.

Cheers,
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[Anonymous]

It seems I'm usually the first to log-on in the mornings. Guess its the Eastern time thing and I'm a early riser too. Lately, there have been some heart warming Posts on various past experiences from our Membership. Basically, I believe at the "core" of the "Our" Place Crew, there must be an ever present yearning for recapturing and preserving those cherished events in which trains played a major role. I, for one, can tell you that I wouldn't trade the memories of my early Family's "quality time" for anything this world has to offer.[tup]

Okay, I think an Irish Coffee with Old Bushmill might clear the throat and open the eyes this A.M. Tom, thanks. I'd like to add a vignette to the "trip down memory lane" if I may. Most of you have experienced the Santa Fe trains southwest out of Dearborn St. Station. As you know, the first station stop in Ft. Madison, Iowa had "blue laws" where you couldn't buy a drink if you were the Governor. The Club Car prices were expensive and the prospect of "nursing" a drink for 30-40 minutes until the bar reopened, wasn't my idea of "first class."[V] SOOoo, I always bought 2 or 3 "miniature" bottles of my favorite "elixir of life" before boarding the train. Then, straight away to my compartment, water glass in one hand and libation in the other; I'd watch Chicago's lights fade away in the distance.[^] A hour or so later, I'd join other travelers in the Tavern (Club) Car for a (always) interesting conversation. After a sound snooze, it was the Conductor's call for "Ka[r]nsas City," all off for Ka[r]nsas City." Now, a "mad dash" for the Fred Harvey House and fresh squeezed O.J., a grilled K.C. breakfast Sirloin, 2 eggs, hash browns, Texas toast and Fred's finest Columbian Blend.[bow] A 5-1/2 hour (day coach) sojourn through flat golden wheat landscape and Kansas towns smaller than "Little Orphan Annie's eye" found me at Tulsa Union Depot. And, there would be Mom, Dad and Sis waiting on the platform.[:D] Oh yes, we all have tales to tell and timeless memories.[8D]

Okay Boris, "give it a go!" BOINK Gadfey Daniel, what are these panty hose doing draped 'round the clapper? BTW Tom, what do you know about Leon's social life? Happy rails all.[swg]

[siberianmo]

THURSDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

Morning All – Another day in the march to the weekend! [yeah] I see The Mentor Village Bakery pastry case is full of fresh goodies, the coffee urns are perkin’ and our light breakfasts are ready for fixin’ – so what are you waitin’ for [?] [swg]

Stay safe ‘n dry down in Florida, Ted! [tup]

News of the Day:

COMMENTARY Yesterday was rather quiet and a bit strange in that many of our regulars didn’t show up – haven’t seen a few for awhile. HOWEVER, a couple of guys took the time to drop in, left some pretty interesting and introspective Posts. Many thanx for helping to keep this idea of ours at the top of the heap. I never thought ”Our” Place would be heading toward month #5 of existence – but we’re still here.

Again – [tup][tup][tup] to West Coast S Dave and passengerfan Al along with some others who not only had something to say, but said it so well! As mentioned several times on these pages, it’s not the quantity of the Posts so much as the quality of them.

SUMMARY:
Name - Date/Time - (Page#) - Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 08:14:35 (85) Wednesday’s News & Summary

(2) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 08:18:07 (85)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 08:41:00 (85) reply to Theodorebear

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 12:23:53 (85) POST FROM THE PAST

(5) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 13:24:20 (85)

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 13:39:12 (85) reply to passengerfan

(7) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 15:24:47 (85)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 15:43:50 (85) reply to West Coast S

(9) West Coast S Dave Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 17:49:34 (85)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 18:45:50 (85) reply to West Coast S

(11) passengerfan Al Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 20:04:00 (85)

(12) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 20:06:51 (85)

(13) nickinwestwales Nicki Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 20:18:25 (85)

(14) siberianmo Tom Posted: 24 Aug 2005, 20:36:18 (85) reply to passengerfan – earlydiesels – nickinwestwales

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Guys!

Nice stuff being Posted - and I mean nice! [yeah] [tup] The stories just make me want to somehow go back in time - travel downtown to St. Louis' Union Station, and board a long distance train - streamliner preferred,of course! [yeah]

passengerfan Al How fortunate you are to have such vivid recollections of those trips, and more importantly, a loving family. Further, how extremely blessed to still have your father in the world with you! When you meet up with your Dad at the station, be sure to remind him of the refund he got because of the differential between the section sleeper and bedroom! [swg]

My hope for you is that there wil always be long distance passenger trains! Let's drink to that - my treat! [tup]

Thanx for the round, by the by ......... [swg]

Tom
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earlydiesels Dan Glad you enjoyed the lyrics to The Silverton - my pleasure! Every now 'n then there's a tune that just stays with you - and I've got a few back there in the recesses ....... [swg]

One of these days we're going to Colorodao to travel aboard that famous narrow gauge in Durango. Just gotta do it. However, I think we'll be aboard the White Pass & Yukon up in Alaska prior to that. Hoping to make that trip in May/June 2006 - the good Lord willing and the creek doesn't rise! [swg]

Catch ya later!

Tom
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Hey Nick Bet you didn't know that Sir Mick and the Boyz will be here in St. Louis this coming January. For some unexplained reason, they really make a point of coming here. Some years back they did a semi-private gig downtown for about 2,000 people - really small venue. My late son, who was a huge fan of theirs - somehow managed to get tickets. I don't think the smile ever left his face ........ By the by - the highest price tickets are $300 a pop! Good grief [tdn]

Okay - tomorrow IS our Fish 'n Chips Nite along with whatever else you put on the Nick's Picks menu board. We'll be here!

Leon the Night Man has arrived ....... so, that's it for me! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Hi guys,flying visit only tonight,somewhat the worse for drink,will speak soon,regards to all-fish night tomorrow-will check the market at lunchtime-see whats on offer,prepare menu for evening,due to time difference should be back from band practice in time to perform kitchen duties,later,nick

[Anonymous]

Hello everyone. I'll take 3 shots of tequila and a glass of water with lemon, please. Tom, I really appreciate the words to "Silverton". I've been a McCall fan for years and since being bitten with the narrow guage bug, liked the song even more. Sometimes on the 4 hour drive to the Midland, the wife and I sing this to help pass the time.
Nick, I may not have little ones but since being engineer for Thomas recently, I have found myself watching the show on PBS. I wondered how Rev. Awdry could develop such a system. Now I'll have to find a world map and look up the areas you mention.
Trolleyboy, I believe your museum had a listing on the www.rypn.org website. If you are not already familiar with it, check it out. Anyone interested in rwy preservation (and some nautical) should do the same.

[passengerfan]

Good Evening Tom and the regulars. How about a CR and a round for the house.
Remember my first long distance train trip and I was only four traveled from Everett to St. Paul on the brand new streamlined EMPIRE BUILDER in February 1947 the month it was inaugurated. My mother had her hands full with me and my two year old brother. We were on our way to Missouri to rejoin my Dad who was waiting discharge from the Army. Remember arriving in St. Joe in tears as my mother holding my brother had fallen as we went between cars as the train was slowing. It was the old CGW that we arrived on not much of a train.
For the few years we lived in Missouri we took yearly trips to Vancouver on the EMPIRE BUILDER using the CB&Q to KC first then the Rock Island TWIN STAR ROCKET to St. Paul and the GN EMPIRE BUILDER and INTERNATIONALS from their. Never again did our family ride the CGW. Later when my Dad went to work in Seattle for Boeing we took the trips the opposite way to St. Joe from Seattle where we moved each year to visit family. Guess that is why I fell in love with the streamliners. Remember some years travelling on the WESTERN STAR and others the EMPIRE BUILDER. We always had a pair of bedrooms opened up ensuite. My brother and I always fighting over the top bed. My dad used to settle the argument in no uncertain terms. Mother made my brother and I dress in identical outfits to prevent fights over clothes and always for dinner in the diner we wore a tie. My mother insisted that we wear a tie for dinner. Her two heathens were going to be properly dressed for dinner no matter what. Sure brings back a lot of nostalgia this evening. It was only when my brother and I made the trip alone that we forgot to pack the ties. That was about 1955 and we were able to try the NORTH COAST LIMITED and OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA each one way. Already I was wanting to try other trains and my dad who purchased the tickets didn't seem to mind I guess hoping that maybe with any luck we would get lost. Never happened and each year became more adventurous. Once even tried the CB&Q heavyweight all of the way from St. Joe to Billings where we boarded the NORTH COAST LIMITED for the rest of the trip to Seattle. That was my one and only experience in a section sleeper and the fare was less so my dad got a refund of the difference for the bedroom we were supposed to have been in. We always looked forward to these yearly trips and once a month we were regulars on the INTERNATIONALS to Vancouver for a weekend with grandparents. Dad always insisted when us boys traveled alone that we were in the parlor car where he felt the GN could keep a closer eye on us. We never missed a train or got a report of bad behavior from any of the trains crews. We loved trains. I lost my Brother and my mother both some fourteen years ago but i Still have Dad and when we talk on the phone we still talk about the trains. I am planning a trip in early fall by train to go and see Dad and I can picture him now waiting at the station in Pasco.

[siberianmo]

Hi Again Dave

Wonderful stuff that you've put forth this day ........ maybe that POST FROM THE PAST set the stage, eh [?] [tup]

Amazing how railroading and model trains seem to intertwine with many of "Our" Place's customers ..... nice fit, indeed! [tup]

I've never had the pleasure of traveling by rail in Japan and can just imagine those steam loco's you mentioned. Nothing wrong with clean - absolutely nothing!

What changes in geography and culture you experienced as a youngster. Certainly couldn't have hurt ........ trains, trains and more trains!

Thanx for the round! [tup] Crown Royal at that! [wow]

See ya! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[West Coast S]

Once again, top of the day Tom and the gang..

Any mention of fond memories between father and son recalls my first encounter with steam. Dad was stationed at the Yokuska Naval Air Station. The Japan National Railway still retained some steam in operation, good looking Mikes that would have been at home in Nickle Plate country, Baldwin or Alco built to USRA plans I believe .

Somehow, dad, through connections, I suppose, managed to get a job firing when off duty from his Navy assignment . Though a small tyke at the time, I remember being scared to death of the noisey machines, but fascinated as well. The host crews were the warmest, outgoing people i've ever encountered and many times i'd ride along with dad on his runs. What stays in my mind all these decades later is the fact that these engines burned coal and the crew wore white, never once did I see a crewman with a soild uniform! You could literally eat off the floor of the cab, they were that clean! Suffice to say, not having little Dave go home to mommy coated in the soot and grime normally associated with coal burning was a big plus in my favor!

Alas, dad was eventually transfered to DaNang and the good times ended. Mom and the rest the family moved to San Francisco. Dad returned from Vietnam and went to work for the N&W out of Roanoke VA, so we packed our meger belongings and relocated back east, a move back west was in the offing several years later when he hired out on the SP. Dad passed suddenly in 1982..

Round of Crown Royal for the house, please

Dave[tup]