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[siberianmo]

Morning (again) ***,

Appreciate your 2nd Post too .... [tup]

I remember one time after a rather routine rescue of a guy and his family aboard a cabin cruiser out in weather conditions for only the foolish - his comment to us was, "What took you so long?" And he was serious! A couple of the guys wanted to heave him over the side ......... wonder why [?] That's just the way it is with some people ... can't do enough, quickly enough or often enough.

More [2c] from me! Boris do it again!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Morning Guys!

Chris Tweeeeeeeeet, Tweeeeeeeeet! Rules Violation! Rules Violation! Rule #1, failure to greet the barkeep! [tdn] Boris Clang the clapper - Chris is buying the OJ this AM! [swg]

Why not simplify the process and send me a couple of those pix, I'll post 'em with the others [?]

See ya!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good morning again. Need another fix of coffee as the office pot is kaput!. Thanks Passengerfan for your comments re the railroads providing evacuation trains. I know they do not have fleets of passenger cars sitting around and Amtrak is really scraping the bottom to just meet daily train send out. The railroads do have some "executive" trains for visiting firemen and these could be pressed into emergency service. Perhaps they were not positoned in the proper parts of the country to get to N O in reasonable time period. I do not know. The railroads, as you point out, could be hauling in tank cars of drinking water, box cars of meals ready to eat, cots, FEMA emergency housing, etc. Our news last night showed a field full of FEMA housing in Fort Worth and there were no plans to utilize them. Why? Perhaps there is no dry ground to put them on.

Like Tom I get tired of those who are complaining on the news about the slow response. The emergency staff is trying to care for the sick and eldery first, which is correct. We have 50 children from NO hospitals who recently were admitted into Baylor and Presbyterian hospitals in Dallas. I am happy to report that all 50 children are doing well. Dallas already has 25,000 displaced people with an additional 25,000 on the way. Houston and San Antonio are also hosting similar volumes along with other cities outside of Texas. Schools and colleges in Dallas are accepting students from N O so they can continue their education. I assume that other school districts and colleges in towns where the refugees are will be doing the same. What really is bad is that some criminals are shooting at the helicoptors that are trying to rescue people. What is wrong with the sick minds of people who do this? Do we need martial law and 10,000 national guard troops with orders to shoot all looters? Heard about one neighborhood in N O that has posted signs "If you loot we shoot". I do not think anyone would complain about taking food and water to survive. After all without electricity the fresh food will spoil so let people have it so they do not starve. What I am mad about is the looters who are taking microwaves and televisions. There is no electricity so why? My only reason is that criminals always will be criminals.

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[CFournier]

Hi guys, OJ for me.
ROB and NICK, The Ontario Northland RS-10 # 1400 is sitting right here in the Delson museum! I have some pics I can send by Email, (if you provide your Email).
#1400 looks in good order too and in the blue-yellow lightning scheme.
Chris

[siberianmo]

Good Morning earlydiesels Dan

Good to see ya again - and we've got plenty of those plain do-nuts you prefer. You are correct, they are difficult to find - fre***hat is.

Couldn't agree more regarding the depressing nature of the news. But then again, how else can you look at it all - it is so sad. Reality is like that.

Sounds like you are deeply involved with your book review. Those kinds of projects really take time and of course, the review can't be a book in and of itself! [swg] Good luck! Thanx for the additional info on that Doodlebug wreck .... I haven't started looking into this yet, but will.......

See ya later and hope you'll check in with us over this long weekend. See ya at the picnic [?]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning ***

Appreciate that Post - really do! Quite a bit to reflect upon and informative as well. Thanx! [tup][tup]

That list of yours is quite poingant and makes me think about one of my own. Many of those items you listed, I have also experienced - and while some sadness exists, I also have to smile too - especially when thinking of those marvelous GG-1's pullling the cars I sat in. [yeah]

Over a span of about 8 years, my travels to New Orleans took place about 3 or 4 times a year. So, I'm rather familiar with the place - or what it once was. Even had the pleasure of watching a football game in the Superdome - Jets vs Saints - sat so high up I thought for sure I'd have a nose bleed. Wonder if ........

Always stayed downtown within walking distance of the places I liked to frequent in the Quarter and out of it. Just always enjoyed my business trips to the Big Easy - made them something to look forward to.

Gotta run - hope the weekend is relaxing and pleasant for you and yours! Hope you can check in with us and of course, attend Mondy's picnic! [swg]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Morning coalminer3

Thanx for righting the ship and getting us back on some sort of even keel! [tup][tup][tup] Just goes to show that we do have some guys 'round here who enjoy the banter at the bar ....... [yeah]

Beer and beer cans. Well, I once had a collection of cans that numbered over three thousand. Yes - that's correct. I've since trimmed it down - by getting rid of the extras - and it now numbers about 1/3rd of what I once had. They are on display in the basement and I'll have to Post a pix or two one of these days. I can relate to those labels you mentioned. Narragansett - Ballentine - Rheingold (remember the Miss Rheingold contests [?] - and yes, they were early sponsors of the Mets) and one you didn't mention, Schaefer from Brooklyn, NY - long time sponsor of the Brooklyn Dodgers. Man oh man, does that take me back. I remember Mel Allen of the Yankees broadcast fame, talking about Ballentine. The Narragansett in the red or green label - yeah - I remember. Thanx for the nostalgia. [yeah]

U.S. Merchant Marine - [yeah] family connection with me. My father was a Merchie before, during and after WWII. I've posted some info on previous pages regarding my trip with him back in the 40's from Baltimore to Long Beach, CA ..... [yeah] I remember when this nation had merchant ships.

Catch ya later and thanx again for the fine Post! Have an enjoyable long weekend ...

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Morning all. Tom, I'll have a bottomless cup of Joe and something from the Mentor Village bakery. Why is it so hard to get plain cake donuts? Surely, I am not alone in liking them.
Been up trying to write the book review. Started last night but lost my train of thought after the cell rang. For those interested, John Norwood, who was a long time D&RGW employee, wrote a series of books about his life on the railroad. I borrowed what is supposed to be the first in the series and it is called NARROW GUAGE RECOLLECTIONS. I'll will take it back and exchange it for the next one. That way I'll get my narrow guage fix and the Midland gets a book review.
Tom, about that doodlebug wreck. A book called the NORTH ARKANSAS LINE came out 69-70 that discussed this railroad. I have never seen a copy but would imagine it would have info about that wreck. What I know about it is references to the wreck in local histories and newspapers.
More coffee, please-and an OJ,too. Been trying not to watch any news on the web or tv because it is simply too depressing. How the US could get itself in such a predicament and why the international community is slow on helping. Coul not sleep much night before last worrying about things. Boris, don't even think about ringing the bell-it's too early and I'm not in the mood for my ears to ring.

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom. I see that you are logged on now. I will have a HOT coffee and Danish please. Our coffee pot in the office has a leak and had to be shut down. So, no coffee here. I think I will start a work protest.

New Orleans and the Gulf coast gets worse by the minute. I really do not want to watch the evening news as it is so depressing. I think it will be years before New Orleans returns to its former self, if ever. Although we have never gone to the Marti Gras (don't like the growds) we have visited N O several times and really enjoyed the town. Ate at Brennans, Commanders Palace, Cafe Du Monde and several other great places. We are thankful that we were able to visit these places as there is a possibility that we may never be able to do it again.

I am thankful that in our life we have done a few things that can never be repeated again due to the things not being there now. A short listing would include:

New Orleans
World Trade Center
B&O railroad between Clarksburg and St. Louis (Track lifted)
Pennsylvania railroad south of Wellsburg WV to Wheeling (track lifted)
Southern Pacific train between Bakersfield and Victorville (track still in use over Tahachapi sp?), but no passenger trains)
Pacific Electric Red cars
Tennessee Pass
B&O through Morgantown WV (track lifted)
Pulled by a GG1
Cooperative Transit orange trolleys in Wheeling WV

The list could go on, but it makes me sad to think of these.

We all do not like the high gasoline prices due to Katrina. Although I work in the energy industry I do not like some of the things that big oil is doing. Record profits are being recorded. Dividends increasing (personally, as an investor, I like this). Does big oil need to gouge us for a precieved shortage. I think not. We may see a reserrection of the winfall profits tax as we had under Nixon. Does big oil need to make the huge profits just to appease Wall Street or should they be content with lower profits and help out the consumer? This week I have noticed a significant drop in traffic in Dallas and crowded trains. Is this the result of high gasoline prices? Perhaps our government will finally realize that we need a significant rail passenger system and quit jerking around with Amtrak.

The good thing is that reports from the gulf is that minimal damage was sustained at the offshore platforms. They should be able to be returned to production shortly if not already. The concern is what happens to the oil and gas once it reaches the shore? Are the receiving facilites, tank farms, refineries, pipelines, etc operationable? I do not know. We are beginning to see fuel shortages. Perhaps dark days are coming.

I have been on my soap box long enough and better simmer dow, Boris, could you refill my coffee as I better get to work.

Cheers,
***

[siberianmo]

When will we reach 100 Pages [?]

Chris says September 5th
Russell says September 9th
Nick says September 11th
Al says September 5th (by Noon!)
Doug says September 5th (by 6 PM!)
Rob says September 8th
Dave says September 5th
Pete says Sepember 12th
Dan says September 3rd
Ted says September 15th, 16th or 17th***

***Sorry, but to be eligible for the PRIZE, only one date may be selected!

CONTEST CLOSED!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[coalminer3]

Good morning. Coffee please and fill up the thermos, too. Clear and sunny this a.m. with a little haze. Gas is $3.19 - not too many folks buying from what I saw en route.

Our primary topic this a.m. is beer. Budweiser and Wheaties - Breakfast of Champions!

"Mabel, Black Label," that rolls back the tape! I have always had an interest in "regional breweries," and (ahem) have done my best over the yrs. to support them. Here are a few slogans, etc. which may or may not bring back some memories.

In her later years, my maternal grandmother lived close to the Narragansett brewery in Cranston, RI. Lovely big brick buildings, rail sidings, etc. Just the sort of thing I like. Narragansett sponsored the Red Sox back before the Olde Towne Team morphed into what it is today. Curt Gowdy (one of the best) broadcast the games. The slogan was, "Hi, neighbor, have a 'Ganset." Horrible stuff, too. Carling was a player in New England. There was also a concoction called "12 Horse Ale," locals believed that the horses portrayed on the package were actually where the product came from.

Gennessee was (and is) big in Buffalo, but another one a little more to the east was Utica Club. Herewith a line from their jingle "Utica Club, U.C." Anyway, their spokespersons were a pair named Shultz and Dooley.

IIRC, did not Rheingold sponsor the NY Mets. Ballentine (obviously) sponsored the other NY team that shall not be named.

When I moved to WV, Strohs, Iron City (ee-hah!) and Falls City were the brews of choice. I do recall and photographed Miller Beer reefers on local trains here.

Sorry abt. mentioning the PC. Folks know I am a follower of the NYC, but I did spend a lot of time around the Great Tuscan Father.

Passengerfan - Amen abt the Merchant Marine. Donb't get me started. The other night I finished rereading for the fortyeleventh time a Naval Institute Press book titled Convoy. All abt merchant shipping in the Atlantic in WW2. Enough to make you weep. That book plus Morison's 2 vols. on the Battle of the Atlantic will give you a good sense of what went on. The other side is covered well by Clay Blair's two books on U-Boats.

Oh - almost forgot, the "big game" is West Virginia vs. Syracuse, right? (Move over Boris, so I can get under the pool tables).

Work safe

[siberianmo]

G'mornin' Gunns Kevin

That's a rather brief Post - but good to see ya anyway! [swg]

trolleyboy Rob will be gone for awhile on vacation, along with West Coast S Dave. So, I'm hoping some of you guys will pick up the slack 'round here ....... thanx!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Morning Guys!

barndad Doug I'm assuming you are referring to Metra (commuter trains) and the opening of a 2nd station in Crystal Lake [?] Are all of the cars bi-level [?] Anyway, you are so fortunate to have even one station close to where you live. How long of a ride is it into downtown Chicago [?]

By the by, I found the rest of the bar dice. Sorry 'bout that soup episode! For some reason, Boris thinks of those dice as Bouillon cubes! [swg]

Enjoy the day! [swg]

passengerfan Al Hey - I understand the frustration, but of course on a totally different scale than those poor souls in New Orleans. What a mess.

I'm simply not going to get into the shuddua, wudda, cuddas. I won't blame the President - I won't blame the administration - I won't blame Congress and I won't blame God. Nature's wrath has been flexing it's muscle since time began. Things happen and there are simply no measures that can prove effective to totally combat the effects. That's my view. I'm sorry that so many refused to leave the city when notice was given. I'm sad for those who couldn't get out, but perplexed over those who simply stayed put. I've seen some of that in my past career - of course, not at the magnitutde of the Gulf States. Just consider this: if even half of those who remained in the city had gotten out when they could have, perhaps the strain on relief efforts wouldn't be so terrible. No excuses here - just a dose of reality.

So, the blame game is on and in full gear. Figured. That seems to be the way it goes in America these days.

You are so right, of course, when it comes to the demise of the U.S. passenger trains, our virtually non-existent Merchant Marine and attendant ships, and the required infra structures to maintain 'em all. But that's all wudda, cudda, shudda talk .... this is now and we've got to play the hand we've been dealt.

I'm not reading anything about those people who are engaged in the rescue and relief operations and THEIR families. Many of those Coast Guard people who have been pulling folks out of the drink or off roof tops and elevated roadways have lost their homes too. We've got a contingent of 50 or more up here in St. Louis running their emergency ops center from downtown .... all of their families are elsewhere. This isn't just about the poor people - as in people without material wealth - this is about all the people - every single blessed one of 'em.

One thing remains constant, however - our right to complain - which we all do quite well - including me. [#offtopic] Boris ring the bell - OJ all 'round! [tup]

Time to get off of this and back to what we're trying to do 'round here. Have a bit of fun with Classic Train talk! [yeah]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Gunns]

Morning Tom
Coffee, n danish please.
Saw this on line and thought Trolleyboy might get a boost from it.
http://www.metronews.ca/column_in_transit.asp?id=10559&cid=634
Gunns

[passengerfan]

Good Morning Tom. Guess I'll have a cuppa coffee and maybe a diest pastry or two from the Mentor Bakery.
Was just watching the morning news (insomnia again) and apparently the governemnet was told that Amtrak could be little or no help in the Gulf evacuations. So short is Amtrak of equipment that they can barely operate the regular routes they have and during peak travel periods such as summer they could probably use an additional three to four hundred cars of all types. The reservation centers are turning away hundreds of potential passengers daily in some cases and on certain days the numbers top a thousand.
After seeing this on the early AM news and President Bush wants to get rid of Amtrak I hope his own Congress and Senate give him a wake up call. I'ts time to fire Mineta as transportation secretary and get someone who understands a balanced transportation plan. I see where the government is negotiating a deal with one of the large cruise ship lines to bring ships near the disaster area to house the homeless until such time as we can get mobile homes and other resources into the area to house the homeless. Since the US doesn't have any US Cruise lines we are going to be leasing the ships from a foreign government. Their is no American Merchant Marine today and the same is fast becoming true of the passenger trains in the US. To have held old cars in mothballs at military bases such as we did in the past would have gotten emergency evacuation equipment to the scene much faster than they are able to do now depending almost solely on buses and aircraft. The roads are flooded and all airfields in close proximity are badly damaged and only a limited number of flights can be handled. Apparently rail service is as close as a walk across the Huey P. Long bridge. When are we going to learn that passenger rail service in this country is not ready to go the way of the DoDo bird. Even two hundred extra Amtrak cars could have evacuated thousands of the poor before the storm even struck far more efficiently than the buses they are using now.
Watching and listening to the reports from the Big Easy no wonder many of those people are wondering where is FEMA when it is needed most. the head of FEMA should resign immediatly and a military man put in charge to get the badly needed help into the area now.
Well enough of my ranting and raving this AM Boris ring the bell I'll gladly buy the next round.

[Anonymous]

Good morning Tom and gents! I'll have some Joe and 3 lite breakfasts. (I love the slimming effect of lite breakfasts!)
I managed to fish (pun intended) 3 of the bar dice from my soup last night. I tossed them into the bathtub upstairs (figuring that Boris doesn't bathe[alien])
I don't know if we will ever have fewer cars around here, but the city of Crystal Lake is opening a 2nd train station this Sunday, and I plan to be on the first train that leaves from it ... just because.
For now, it's time to get my carcass to work, so off I go. Have a great day!

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s NEWS & SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS

[yeah] Friday has arrived with a long weekend awaiting! Awwwwwwwright! Let’s get to the happenings ‘round here ……. [tup]

News of the Day:

(1) Repeat Consider helping those who are suffering from the effects of Hurricane Katrina.

(2) repeatThe Selection Committee for The Order of the Stools will meet this month and release their results by mid-September. It is the objective of the Selection Committee to recognize the customers of ”Our” Place through either a Reserved or Permanent Stool award. As always, participation in the form of meaningful Posts on a regular basis is the cornerstone for an award.

(3) Friday ‘round here is Pizza nite along with steak ‘n fries on the menu. [dinner] Begins at 5 PM ……

(4) Labor Day picnic! Bring your family and friends to the First Annual ”Our” Place Labor Day Picnic. Festivities begin at noon Monday and will wind up with a fireworks display at 9 PM (all time zones – don’t ask how we do that! [swg]) Water slide and trampoline for the kids – horseshoe pits and good ole summertime fun for the adults. [tup]

SUMMARY

Name - Date/Time - (Page#) – Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 02:24:55 (92) Thursday’s News & Summary

(2) barndad Doug Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 05:53:16 (92)

(3) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 05:59:03 (92) reply to barndad

(4) passengerfan Al Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 07:07:36 (92)

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 07:18:49 (92) reply to passengerfan

(6) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 07:37:36 (92)

(7) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 07:47:36 (92)

(8) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 07:49:47 (92) reply to Theodorebear

(9) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 07:52:59 (92)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 08:15:04 (93) reply to nickinwestwales

(11) coalminer3 Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 08:54:30 (93)

(12) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 09:34:27 (93)

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 10:48:26 (93) reply to coalminer3 & Trainnut484

(14) CFournier Chris Posted: : 01 Sep 2005, 13:41:08 (93)

(15) CFournier Chris Posted: : 01 Sep 2005, 14:15:26 (93)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: : 01 Sep 2005, 14:57:45 (93) reply to CFournier

(17) barndad Doug Posted: : 01 Sep 2005, 19:08:27 (93)

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: : 01 Sep 2005, 19:26:41 (93) reply to barndad

(19) earlydiesels Dan Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 19:39:09 (93)

(20) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 19:47:43 (93) reply to: earlydiesels

(21) pwolfe Pete Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 20:07:45 (93)

(22) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 20:21:54 (93)

(23) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 20:46:14 (93)

(24) siberianmo Tom Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 21:28:20 (93) reply to pwolfe & nickinwestwales

(25) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 01 Sep 2005, 22:55:14 (93)

(26) siberianmo Tom Posted: 02 Sep 2005, 05:46:20 (93)

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That’s it! [tup][;)]
Tom (Siberianmo) [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[siberianmo]

Hi Rob

There once a commercial that kinda went like this, "Hey, Mabel - Black Label." Haven't heard it in decades 'n decades; reminds me of my youth. Carling was a big brewer here in the States - Baltimore, I believe was where they once were located.

Hope the get-away is relaxing and fun for you and your bride!

Enjoy and we'll be here for ya upon your return! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[trolleyboy]

Good evening everyone.I'll partake of the mullet and chips please washed down with a fine carling black label or two[dinner] Tom No I would never pick that day cause it was my natal day ( he say's while whistling to himseif ) I'm thinking that if the gas prices stay where they are a high speed rail ( electric or other network ) may not need to worry about the grade crossings you may see less and less cars and trucks et all ( I know dreaming again ) I unfortunatly wasn't dreaming the $1.25.6 a litre I paid this morning that's hovering near the $5 a gallon mark not good at all. Ted You seem more excited bout my birthday than me by the by it will be 34 and two days [swg] Oh package is in the mail [tup] Nick Fell free to pick my brain whenever just don't pick too hard i don;'t want to end up like Boris [alien][:O] I didn't catch the number on that CNR F7, they did have the F3's as well just not very many #9000 to 9005 all A units no 3B's on the CN. They did roam system wide and would certainly have mixed with their GTW F3 breathren. Info comes from Rail Canada Volume 1from LPD publishing the Rail Canada series vol 1 to 5 are a good reference for all CDN railway paint diagrams unit numbers and photo's colour and BLK/WHT. Vol 1 is CN Vol 2 TH&B, BCR/PGE/ONR and sveral PQ roads. Vol 3 CPR vol 4 VIA cars and engines and volume 5 Go and all the various sundry shortlines. Oh Nick saw the new Lifelike Canada ONR RS-10 models today sound equiped $250 CDN non sound $160 early yellow and blue lightening bolt paint job loco 1400 and 1401. Nice lookers thought you would want to know.I reme,mber reading the articles and seeing a PBS clip on the NYC jet RDC test. I'm actually suprised that that thing didn't suck in a whole lot of ballast and spontainiously combust, quite a chance they took. One wonders how much if any this test effected the development and eventual building and use of the Turbo trains on CN / Via / and Amtrak. Well gents I'm off and running, one day of work then away up northwards for some cruising and relaxing. I'll pop back in when I can. Rob

[siberianmo]

Evenin' All ........ Nice crowd in here for a change on Thursday nite. Fish 'n Chips movin' well along with Nick's Picks - that's some selection that our Chief Chef [C=:-)] has put together, eh [?] The man is truly amazin' ....... [tup]

Pete We have 3 large screen TV's in here, all hooked up to satellite - video equipped as well. The game will be on - count on it. [tup]

Received your Email reply - and yes, some pix would be appreciated. Advance thanx to your bride! [swg]

Nick Appreciate your taking the time to help with our Thursday bill of fare ... fantastic effort as always. Enjoyed the Post as well. [tup][tup] Very interesting time trial data ...... Thanx for the info on Google Earth.

Can't take credit or blame for a city constructed below sea level. New Orleans was begun way before Louisiana became a state. Now, I fully concur with your thoughts regarding what appears to be very poor planning on the part of those who administer to the needs of the city - translated: politicians in City Hall. Insofar as the response to the overwhelming conditions down there - I'm not about to be critical of those trying their level best to help. When one is dealing with the forces of nature - that's one thing. When dealing with those bent on making sure that the finger of blame gets pointed - that's quite another. Just upsets me beyond belief to listen to the wrist wringers finding fault when this is a time that my fellow citizens should be pullilng together for the betterment of those in distress.

I think I'll sign off on that note ....... Leon the Night Man has arrived ......

Nite! [zzz]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Wolfman -awright mate-yeah, the Stroudley Terriers,yes they do have a pulling power quite beyond what one might expect-I suspect yer man hit on the right formula for wheel size,cylinder volume,engine weight and length of crank axle,whether by accident or design and yes,they do have something of a "bark" about them when opened up-ferocious little beasts,love em...[^]...saw Stepney working up Freshfield bank with 4 on back in the day...glorious stuff------------------[C=:-)]prediction England 3 Wales 1-(Giggs bound to tap one in...),enjoy your weekend,nick

[nickinwestwales]

Well good evening [4:-)] TOM,fellow travellers,casual browsers,bar tending lovelies & of course,Boris-you horrid little creature,what did you do to that poor birdie-no treats for you tonight,away to the naughty corner with you and dont come back `til you here from me !!! awright,to beer, a quick Staropramen for me,you no doubt will be happy to shake the hand of Mr Alexander,Chris,if memory serves,prefers a good single malt (health permitting),Ted,as manager can obviously make his own choice. Should any other "stools" drift through then please place their first drink on my tab-I see barndad in the corner,take a drink my friend & make yourself comfortable,O.K,to post before we get the menu sorted-[4:-)]TOM-thanx for clarification-as intimated,no real data but seemed like a possible option-dont want to be contentious here but it seems bizarre to me that the #1 global superpower can be caught so flat-footed--surely,when your city is built below sea-level and is surrounded by water there is,somewhere in city hall,a plan for situations like this----------The mapping program is GOOGLE EARTH takes a few minutes to load,but well worth the effort. -Agree with your comments re Penn Central-the worst of all possible worlds,doomed from the outset,onwards and upwards !!!--COALMINER3-welcome my friend,you wanna labour day special-you got it. call `em out and I`ll cook `em if I can -if I`ve not cooked it before,tell us how you like it and we`ll see what we can do...!!!!! CHRIS-Bonjour mon ami,Quesque ce toi ?,nice bunch of pix-reason I suggested F-unit as F3 was arrangement of visible plates and framing behind grills-only evidence I have to work from is low-end ( Model Power & Bachman ) H0 models-engine # fits F7 according to C N Lines files,as does # printed on my Bachman F9 (9162).....go figure as they say....have some data to hand re speed trials All engines A4`s xcept papyrus (A3) August 1937, between Bytham & Werrington ( 12.7 miles,including Stoke Bank-The Racecourse ) 1:- Papyrus load,217 tons,max speed 108 mph,av speed96.0 2:-Silver Fox load,270 tons,max speed 113 mph,av speed 98.4 mph 3:-DOMINION OF CANADA ,load 320 tons,max speed 109.5 mph,av speed 92.4 mph 4:-Commonwealth of Australia,load 325 tons,max speed106 mph,av speed,103.5 mph right,more beer landlord-I`ve fi***o cook-tonight we have, seafood crepes-cockles,mussels,scallops & baby prawns in a provencal sauce,wrapped in thin pancakes,topped with grated cheddar and grilled, whole red mullet,grilled or pan-fried, lobster with chef`s shallot and red coral sauce (serves two).. For non-fishies we also have traditional liver and bacon-floured & pan-fried lambs liver with streaky bacon,topped with onion gravy and black pudding slices or for the real purists brocolli & cauliflower 3-cheese bake. all the above served with whatever veg are ready to go in the garden and a choice of French fried,Jacket or Pommes Mentor-(prepare as dauphinoise but substitute red onions for white,replace one third of pots. with thin sliced parsnip and top with breadcrumbs and bake without cover)----O.K,that looks like a menu,I`ll be in the kitchen if anyone needs me,bon appetite,nick[C=:-)]

[pwolfe]

Hi Tom and all.
A pint of Bathams or Brains whichevers on and Fish and Chips please. [^]

TED I have found an old Steam railway mag. left over from an earlier visit with an article on high speed steam and yes in1936 a German 05 class 4-6-4 loco achieved 124.5 M.P.H. in 1936 it also says that in 1936 a Milwaukee F7 4-6-4 was tested with a 550 ton train and averaged 120 M.P.H. over 4.5 miles with a top speed of 125 M.P.H. if you would like to have the magazine drop an e-mail you be most welcome to it.

NICK Thanks for the shipment of FELINFOEL beer I wonder if TOM will have the match on 9.00am Saturday.I will have a pint every time England score or if the worst happens one at half-time and one at full-time. Thanks for the info on WADDON and town of the same name. In the picture it looks a slight reddish colour which as you say is different to STEPNEY on the Bluebell Railway .I was able to have a ride behind her she seems a strong engine despite the small size, but the exhaust sounded odd with a coughing like sound.

CHRIS Thanks for the info on the fine photos and ring the bell BORIS a round for all please[tup]

Well TOM one for the road and compliments to the[C=:-)][yeah][wow] PETE>

[siberianmo]

Evenin' earlydiesels Dan

Adjustment made - you're in for the 3rd!

Always learn something from the guys at the bar - never knew about the 1914 Doodlebug wreck. I'll have to recheck a couple of my books to see if I can find a reference. Speaking of wrecks, I participated in rescue ops for a commuter train that went into the drink in New Jersey. That was back in the early 1960's ..... really grim. I think the Engineer failed to recognize a stop signal and ran right off the opened bridge into the Raritan Bay. Many dead - water was red in places. Grim memories from long ago.

Enjoy your T ....... [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Good evening, everyone. I'll take a tequila, neat, please. Tom, I will quit straddling the fence and pick Sept 3th for our 100th post.
Chris and Tom, thanks for the pix. I have a special place in the heart for museums and anything preserved is a link from the past showing where we've been for the people of the future. I also am very fond of Alcos so really liked the CP S2. That older paint scheme is snazzy!
Borrowed some more old mags from the museum. A 1973 Trains has a article about the beginnings of the gas electric "doodlebugs". Great old pix but it's a 2 parter so now gotta find the 2nd part. Frisco had several numbered in the 2100s. A mention was made of a wreck that occurred at Tipton Ford, Mo. that I have heard of but found very little info about. Seems a doodlebug belonging to the original M&NA met a KCS train headon in August 1914, killing 47. Today, there is diddly squat at Tipton Ford other than the KCS and I've no idea where the M&NA track was. I've always been interested in wrecks on railroads. Sometimes the official report is on the NTSB website. I found info on a PC wreck back in 73 or so where a train went thru a open drawbridge, taking everything above the frame off cleaner than a whistle. The remains of the 1st unit continued into the river.
Well, I write a book review column for the Midland newsletter and a review is due this weekend so I better get crackin!

[siberianmo]

G'day barndad Doug

Second visit! Have a Bud Lite on me ...... [tup]

Dice [?] [yeah] We've got some bar dice 'round here .... Last I saw 'em, Boris was trying to make soup with 'em ....... [swg]

I'll have a few more pix to Post from Chris in a day or two .... from Delson.

Take care of your bride and we'll catch ya later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[Anonymous]

Evening Tom and all. I'll just have alite beer. Do you roll dice around here?[;)] Loved your link. I need to look at it again when I can take more time.

Apologies to Chris, who took the Scotsman pic. My bad.

The wife is feeling a little under the weather, so I need to get back to her (and probably catch whatever she has) [:(!] Ya'll take care !

[siberianmo]

G'day Chris

Appreciate the elaborations regarding your pix ..... What - no RDC mention!! Geesh!. I received your Emails with additional pix .... may take a bit longer to post them as it is a time consuming transfer, but it'll happen. [swg]

Okay - you're in for September 5th ....

When will we reach 100 Pages [?]

Chris says September 5th
Russell says September 9th
Nick says September 11th
Al says September 5th (by Noon!)
Doug says September 5th (by 6 PM!)
Rob says September 8th
Dave says September 5th
Pete says Sepember 12th
Dan says September 1st, 2nd or 3rd***
Ted says September 15th, 16th or 17th***

***Sorry, but to be eligible for the PRIZE, only one date may be selected!

What do YOU say [?] CONTEST CLOSES TODAY!

Enjoy Mr. Adams' finest ....... See ya later! [tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[CFournier]

PS
BTW big # 100 on the 5th...
Chris

[CFournier]

Hi guys, A Samuel Adams please TOM.
Glad to see you guys liked the Delson pictures I sent to TOM. I just can't post them myself ![:o)] Here are some facts about the locos in the said pics:
1. CNR 6153 4-8-4 MLW 1929 ( with my son Thomas in front)
CN 6153 is one of 203 "Northern" type locomotives on Canadian National Railways that formed the mainstay of CN's steam power in the 1940's for both passenger and freight service. CN 6153 took part in the "End of an Era" ceremony at Turcot Yards on September 4, 1960. It is essentially unmodified and is in moderately good condition.

22. BR 60010 4-6-2 Doncaster 1937 ( as mentionned in preceding pages...)
British Rail's 60010, "The Dominion of Canada", represents British railways and serves as an interesting contrast to CN 5702. The "A-4" class of locomotives holds the world speed record for steam at 126 1/2 miles per hour. The Dominion of Canada was in the speed trials. It is a streamlined locomotive, equipped with a speedometer and a corridor tender with a water scoop. These features permitted it to cover the 393 miles from London to Edinburgh without service stops, whereas most Canadian locomotives in the same service would stop every 125-150 miles for water.
3. CP 7077 S-2 MLW 1948 (with my son again)
Canadian Pacific diesel switcher 7077 was exhibited at the Canadian International Trade Fair in Toronto, Ontario, and at Windsor Station in 1948 as MLW's first production diesel. It is part of MLW's first diesel production run in Canada. Its 539 turbocharged engine is representative of 1940's technology; the body is standard switcher configuration. All major Canadian railroads used them in the early diesel era.

16. LB&SC 54 0-6-0T Brighton 1875 ( the Waddon as mentionned by Nick and Rob)
London, Brighton and South Coast Railway #54 is the oldest locomotive in the collection and represents a 19th century British locomotive. This piece, with its inside cylinders, provides an interesting comparison with CP 144. The "Waddon" was modified in 1910 and 1937, and hence is known as a class A1x Terrier. It is equipped with the 1875 Westinghouse air brake.( I'll try to post a pic of this little tank engine).
NICK, now the CN's F unit is a F-7, if i am not mistaking by the looks of the grills and portholes, wich the museum acquired recently, and it is not in their on-line roster yet. Maybe someone with an old Diesel spotting guide could help us here...
[;)]CHRIS