QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: 17 June 2005, 12:58:37 Since we are talking abt. subways, herewith a few memories of the old MTA (Pre Charlie, yet!) Riding the subway was always an adventure. The Boston subway was old when I was growing up. There were not as many stations then (sit and read the stations marked on the glass map in the holder beside the car door; Harvard, Central, Kendall, Charles, Park St., Washington, South Station, Broadway, Andrew Columbia, Fields Corner, Shawmut, and Ashmont - that was it), and the trains only ran as far as Harvard Square, although the streetcars ran out to Arlington, but that’s another story for another time. The subway station was in the middle of Harvard Square. It was a low gray stone structure with a metal roof and some ornamental iron work. In red letters above the doors was a sign which said “Rapid Transit to All Points - Eight Minutes to Park Street.” People were always in a hurry there and it was hard to get a chance to take in all of the activity. You had a choice of walking down the stairs or riding a narrow wooden escalator to get to the station’s “lobby.” Here was a change booth and turnstiles. The process was quite simple - shove a dollar bill through the slot in the glass window and get some subway token and some change pushed back to you by the bored looking man sitting inside. Then take a token, put it in the slot in the turnstile and push your way through. Little kids rode for a nickel and had to reach up to drop their nickels into a change counter which was pretty similar to the one on the bus. That done, we went down the stairs to the platform and waited for the train. Harvard Square Station was on two levels. The upper level, which allowed passengers quick access to buses and trackless trolleys without going outside, was for trains coming from Boston. Inbound (to Boston) passengers boarded their trains on the lower level. There was a single track on each level. The upper level went to the car barn (actually an open area for car storage) which was occupied a space near the Charles River between the Harvard University campus and Memorial Drive. I always liked going by the yard when driving into Boston. Row on row of subway cars sat parked on the tracks waiting for their next trip. Sometimes, trains ran past the Harvard Square station to the yard to discharge passengers going to a football game at Harvard Stadium which was just across the Charles River. I remember walking by the yard a few times when going to the stadium with my father or uncle to see a football game. There was a cement and brick wall around the yard which had a few gaps in it and I wished I was taller so I could see more of the trains behind the wall. I could hear trains approaching the station from Boston as they pulled in above me and the entire station rumbled and shook with a deep, menacing, growl which was almost deafening because of the confined space in the station. Just about all of the old Harvard Square station was ripped out in the late 60s and early 70s when the subway was extended from Harvard Square to Alewife, so what I’m about to describe no longer exists. As I mentioned, the subway line was single track with a high level platform to let people board and leave the trains quickly. The track resembled that of a regular railroad, except that a third rail was mounted outside the right rail. The third rail carried the electricity which powered the subway car’s traction motors. Every so often on the third rail was some white lettering which said “DANGER - THIRD RAIL DO NOT TOUCH!” I was concerned most of the time that I might fall off the platform, touch the third rail and be instantly fried, so I never got too close to the edge of the platform. Everyone knew of somebody that had been fried because they weren’t paying attention - never mind that there was no hard evidence of anyone ever being fried, except for a drunk in South Boston or some despondent person who threw themselves onto the tracks ans the train pulled into the station, the thought of being electrocuted frying, swelling up and bursting into a million fragments was enough. The track was not really ballasted but sat in what appeared to be deep layers of grime, oily dirt, dust, candy wrappers and old newspapers; I suppose there were ties underneath that mess somewhere. The walls were dingy white porcelain tile and there were brightly colored advertising signs attached to them at intervals. Most of the signs I remember advertised Wrigley’s gum. Behind me was a brightly lighted news stand which sold Boston papers, candy bars cigarettes and cigars (in those more innocent days), and magazines. The station itself was not well lighted. Rather there were a few bulbs that tried ineffectually to pierce the darkness. I found that I could see pretty well once I got used to it. I tried to get close enough to the edge of the platform so I could see up the track to where the tunnel coming from the car barn curved away, but not close enough so that I might fall off, wind up against the dreaded third rail and be fried - INSTANTLY!!! After awhile I could hear a train coming. It sounded differently than did the ones on the upper level as the noise was not as deep. I could hear the wheels squealing around the curve from the yard and hear the hollow whistling sound of the brakes being applied as the motorman brought it closer to the station. Then, there it was - four red lights marking the corners of the lead car, the blue-uniformed motorman sitting in the cab with one hand on the controller. The train of dirty, green painted, steel cars clomped into the station and screeched to a stop. The wooden doors banged open and the passengers began boarding the train. These cars were not luxurious, they were utilitarian in the best sense of the word since they had been built to last through years and years of hard service. The windows would be open if the weather was warm and I could smell the pungent sweet scent of oil and warm traction motors. A compressor cut in under one of the cars with an urgent “lunga, lunga, lunga” sound, and then cut off with a harsh snap of air under pressure. It would be time to leave pretty soon and I made sure to try and get a seat near an open window so I could see everything. One feature of these cars I remember was a map of the MTA system in a glass panel by the door. I wonder now and then how much one of those would bring if offered at a memorabilia auction. Enough of that, though, it was time to go. The doors banged shut, “snuuffaaa,” went the air brakes, the traction motors groaned into action and the train began moving forward slowly at first, then much faster. I don’t think we were really went all that fast, but the fact that the windows were open and we were in a tunnel gave the illusion of really moving rapidly. Central was the next stop, just a short distance from Harvard Square. The section of the line from Central to Kendall was about the longest stretch between stops and the train really moved along here. The noise was thrilling, palpable, and altogether wonderful. You truly could not as my mother always said, “hear yourself think.” The racket was redoubled whenever we met a train. The other train roared past us in a blur of lights. This was what it was all about - going some place fast. Years later I read a passage in a novel by Thomas Wolfe in which the hero, tormented by a desire to be everywhere, see everything, and absorb all of life’s experience in the process, would ride the subway from Cambridge to Boston and see if he could hold his breath between stops - I did this when I was five years old and enthralled by Little Golden Books rather than the Sage of Asheville. The run from Central to Kendall was a long one, whether I held my breath or not. I mentioned that I tried to sit by the window. Deciding which side to sit on was a tough decision. Inbound the left side was the track side which would allow me a closeup view of the trains we met. The right hand side of the train would give me a good view of the Boston skyline when the train exited the tunnel and climbed over the bridge from Cambridge to Boston. Most of the time I chose the left side because from there I could see a lot of industrial buildings and in the distance the smokestack of the Boston and Maine’s roundhouse at Mystic. Peering ahead I could see it was getting lighter as we got closer to the tunnel portal. A rush and a clank and we were out of the tunnel for a little while and back into the daylight. Up we went across the bridge to the Charles Street station. A brief stop there and then back into the tunnel underneath the storied streets of Beacon Hill. The train swung around a right hand curve before plunging back into the darkness. On the left was the frowning hulk of the infamous Charles Street jail; an ancient facility even when I was young. A roast beef sandwich stand was on the street right beside the prison walls. Legend had it that their sandwiches were so bad that the inmates would throw them back over the wall when kind hearted folks tossed a bag of them into the prison yard. A quick glance out the window allowed me to sort of see into the jail before the train plunged back into the tunnel. Park Street Under was the next station and we often got off there to transfer to another train, but sometimes we rode to Washington Street which is where the big department stores were. Still other times, we rode to South Station when we were going to ride the New Haven Railroad; always a great adventure. Beyond South Station lay unknown territory. I explored that later when I was older and started riding the subway by myself. Park Street was about the biggest station on the MTA system. It had two levels. The subway was on the lower level and streetcars ran on the upper level. Historically, the oldest section of the entire MTA system was the one that ran into the upper level at Park Street. Some of the old Type 5 cars were still around when I was small, but mostly I remember riding on PCC’s. The PCCs were painted traction orange with a stripe separating the orange-colored lower half of the car from the cream-colored upper part of the car. The PCC’s ran from overhead wire so there was no danger of getting fried on the third rail. The PCC cars also did not run from a high level platform as did the subway cars. Park Street was a little better lighted than some of the other subway stops. The PCCs ran underground and on the surface and would take you virtually anywhere you wanted to go in the city. Have a good weekend. work safe
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: Today, 14:24:05 Good show, coalminer 3 [tup] While I'm no expert regarding the Boston subway system, I was stationed there from 1968-1973 and am familiar with it. Poor Charlie indeed! Where would the old MTA be today without the Kingston Trio [?] {swg] [yeah] I lived in Melrose, just a bit north of downtown and commuted in on the B&M's RDC's – [wow] loved that for sure. Then moved to Dedham/Hyde Park area and took the MTA in from the Hyde Park station. When I wasn't on ships, I worked at Government Center (JFK Building) right next to City Hall. By the way - nothing ordered today [?]- Whazzup [?] Regulars 'round here at least order a cuppa ...... Enjoy the weekend! [tup] [swg] Tom
QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 17 June 2005, 15:06:27 Hello folks. My possible date of sortie from the hospital is now pushed to next Tuesday...Kind of a set back to me... [:(] doctors says take no chance with that condition...I'm going to tell you guys a secret: I'm bored to death and my morale couldn't be lower... [%-)] Anyone here knows something about secondary trains runned around SF Bay area, on WP or SP? anything of interest to model? Like heavyweights pulled by steam like a Consolidation? Chris, ( don't fool around with the puck!)
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 17 June 2005, 16:07:32 Chris Ain't no way the Docs are keeping you in for reasons other than to be sure all's well with and for you prior to release. You already know that. Yes, it disappoints, but so would a relapse. Err on the side of caution, my friend - you know that too. So, what to do, what to do Send Boris over to liven up the joint [?][:-,] Send the gals over to ........, well on second thought [yeah] [:-,][}:)] A few decades ago I was hospitalized in the ICU with an unknown malady - knocked me out cold. Kept me in there for 4 days and nights. Didn't know whether there'd be a tomorrow .... long story, happy ending for me. However, the total of 8 days of hospitalization didn't do very much for the morale of my family or yours truly. Had to spend lots of time forcing myself to think of better times and places. Hard to do - but it CAN be done. Try it! [swg], you CAN do it. [:D] Be thinking of you and hope you stay connected with us .... [tup] Tom
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 17 June 2005, 16:36:42 Good afternoon everyone. Chris Thumbs up, hospitals are no fun but hey like Ted said were all here in the corner with you. Maybe request that the hospital allows you to have Bowser and Blue entertain you. I don't think that they'll bore you, at least you’re in the right city I think that they are still based out of Montreal. BTW I've got your seats booked at the museum for the meet next year. I'd hate to substitute Boris for you, I'd be afraid that he would try to climb the overhead and then we would be months getting that burnt hair smell out of the museum. A last thought happy father's day weekend(yes you should have a whole weekend) to all those who find themselves in that situation. May only the trains you desire come up unto you ( the church of the holy streetcars signature prayer) A long story I may tell it later. Coalminer I always forget that there was(is) a subway in Boston. Perhaps all the gunk on top of the rails is the ballast, an awful thought but it seems that that type of maintenance seems to be the last done on subway systems. I actually miss the red dreadnaughts of the TTC subways. Those old 50 ton a piece all steel Gloster cars were the cats meow. They rode well but couldn't be used with the newer aluminum equipment due to the weight difference. Ours is the last surviving set all be it changed to run off of overhead instead of third rail. PassengerAl [tup] on your book project, I'm looking forward to reading it, sign me up for a copy (I'm sure most of the guys here will gladly take one as well) Well I'm shuffling off for now. I'll talk to you all later. Rob
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 17 June 2005, 17:16:46 QUOTE: Originally posted by CFournier Hello folks. My possible date of sortie from the hospital is now pushed to next Tuesday...Kind of a set back to me... [:(] doctors says take no chance with that condition...I'm going to tell you guys a secret: I'm bored to death and my morale couldn't be lower... [%-)] Anyone here knows something about secondary trains runned around SF Bay area, on WP or SP? anything of interest to model? Like heavyweights pulled by steam like a Consolidation? Chris, ( don't fool around with the puck!) =================================== Good to hear you’re coming along Chris...Afternoon Tom and the gang. So you want to know about the more unusual? With SP, the Del Monte and the Sun Tan were two heavyweight equipped runs out of 3rd & Towns and during the golden age of American railroading . Never heard of the Sun Tan? Few have, It was operated during the twenties and thirties during the summer, using mostly commuter equipment with a Pullman Lounge to provide service to the Boardwalk at Santa Cruz. Power was typically provided by 4-6-0s The Del Monte was the longest lived train on the SP when discontinued in 1968. Considered a first class means to Monterey, during the steam era it offered Pullman service, 4-6-2s were typical power. A unnamed local also called SF home, not part of the regular commute fleet, that interchanged with the North Western Pacific at Redwood City. Train makeup and power could be anything SP had available in the yard, on the other hand, occasionally NWP steam would take this train into San Jose if SP couldn't supply a locomotive whereupon arrival at San Jose it would be combined with a commute run to SF. Mail Trains 71&72 which, during the steam era carried lounges as well as coaches between San Francisco and Los Angeles via the coast route and was by far the slowest passenger train on the system, requiring 18 hrs running time . Power, typically anything in the roundhouse when a 4300 or Northern were unavailable. Well Chris, there's my top picks for the unusual All featured heavyweight equipment and. Steam power of numerous types. Alas, WP operated no locals or unusual passenger trains on their side on the bay. [:(] . I became so involved replying to Chris's query that I didn't notice that my mug is as dry as my wallet after the national S convention. [:O] Whata ya have on tap today? Ok ,Tom we have some unfinished business between us. For the official record I'm 46 years young [:D]. Dave
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 17 June 2005, 17:26:54 We have anything you'd like on draught or in frosty cold bottles ... so just ask! [tup] and Cindy or I will round it up for you! [^] I'm having a not-so-great experience trying to get started with S-gauge. Between one of the leading manufacturers and an online S-gauge source, I'm beginning to think that my next step is to beg these people to take my money. Never had this experience before. I think I'll drink that draught ........ perhaps two! [;)] Thanx for the added Birthday data. Makes the revision complete ..... Enjoy Pizza night, steaks 'n fries and of course, the gals of "Our" Place. [tup] [;)] Tom
QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 17 Jun 2005, 17:53:20 Hi Tom,set `em up mate, I`m just typing something up
QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 17 Jun 2005, 19:01:22 Hello, everyone. I'll take something very cold, please. Chris, hang in there. As someone who has spent more than my fair share of time in hospitals, just think pleasant thoughts and plan things to do upon your release. Keep your mind active and busy. I kind of doubt if I can make Toronto but I hope at least someone takes some pix. Always wanted to see Canada. Tom, when I was in high school my votech diesel instructor was retired Coast Guard man . We called him Chief. Onry old cuss. Another cold one, please. That will be the last one. I could easily revert to my old self where it took a case of beer to get me started. Like the old country song (Waylon?) says, hangovers hurt more than they used to. Did I tell you all that the historical demonstration railroad we're involved with received 2 new to us coaches last fall? They were built 1936-7 by National Steel Car and finished in the Angus shops for the trains pulled by the Jubilee 4-4-4 engines. We got the cars painted for Ontario Northland but we will paint them Pullman green eventually. They are in great shape, ride well, but those 4 wheel trucks sure are funny looking!
QUOTE: West Coast S Posted: 17 Jun 2005, 19:04:32 Tom...Classic trains, great libations with epicurean delights, the spirit of friendship and yes, even Boris, does life get better then this? If you're seeking someone to take your money perhaps you should take one of the "Our Place " gals as a wife! That's a sure fire cure.
QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 17 Jun 2005, 19:10:06 Right, where am I,ah yes- CHRIS- Agree with Tom, hospital unlikely to discharge even slightly ill lawyer.................If you fancy a browse to lift the spirits, can do no better than recommend www.onrgallery.com, assuming I`m not preaching to the converted here. Feel for you not being able to explain things to your lad...my daughter is 4 and unsettled by any unexpected change in her routine. Still, One day, you`ll be able to laugh about all this-one day.......Get well soon mate, all the best !!! TOM-I sense `S` scale tensions-come sit awhile and share a brew whilst I play H.O. devils advocate [:-,] . You make occasional mention of lack of expansion space on the Can- Am, how about ( and I`m just kite flying here ) throwing a balloon loop around the end of the union stn. board to turn trains at that end and throwing off an opposing junction somewhere on the main line across a lift-out section to the nearest wall-track in both directions (pass one side ,freight the other ) with a turning Wye- How about a port theme (-make the lift out a bridge )-you could have waterlines of some old friends tied up at the quay. Also, whilst I know you`re not much of a freighter, the opportunity of a pair of `golden beaver` S.D.40-2`s with 2 or 3 5-car double-stack well car sets shouldn`t be overlooked...... [^].....with provision of duplicate control cab at harbour stn guest operators can be accommodated on user-friendly section.........just a few odd thoughts to distract you [swg] Well, same again please, finally finished the re-wiring exercise provoked by the new control unit and had an `experimental` running session-delirious with pleasure at results, can’t believe how I struggled on for so long with the old stuff, I know I`m the last person in the world to discover it but this brake/inertia function is really fun,in fact I`m going back to play some more....!!!!....night all, catch up tomorrow, nick
QUOTE: Bobfarkus Posted: 18 June 2005, 07:53:19 Best Pizza this side of the Rio Grande last night, Tom. [^] Sounds like Nick is enjoying the plus side of power control. Right Nick, I had the same revelation with my first venture into D.C.C. (G gauge). Not only the sheer size of the Beasties but "gliding" to a [pre-programmed] full stop added discipline to "Driver" train control...really neat! Chris, I don't know if light tail comes onto the S.F. pallet? If so, the venerable "Key System" had some interesting ops. in the area as well as diversity in powered units. I had a good book on this but lost it to a "borrower." [:(!]That City still has the greatest variety of equipment in the 48! B.A.R.T., P.C.C.'s, Cable Cars and the S.P. commuters should be enough to keep most folks entertained. If you want to "throw-in" the old Sacramento Northern," along with the Lines West Coast S has already mentioned; the area is a "treasure trove." I, for one, always counted S.F. as the "highlight" of any "Coast" tours I made. Naturally, the fine restaurants are the "piece de resistance" which puts "San Fran over-the-top" (only my opinion). [^] Hey Chris, "hang loose" for just a few more days. All will come to rights, you'll see (as many of us have). So, another birthday is in the offing? Granny's great stuffed Kreplach! I don't know if this "bag of bones" [not trombones, Nick], can withstand the trauma of another fete of reckless abandon such as Tom's last soiree! Fool that I am, I'll "give it a go" no matter the cyber devastation. Never let it be said that Trombone Players can't "let things slide!" [swg] Tom, I finally went through all the pix on your "model and real" site. Outstanding but for that strange U.F.O. around the parameter shelf. [alien] All kidding aside, it’s probably best to keep the "Polar Express" out of reach from the Wee Ones? [[;)] I would kill for that much room, Tom, I'm stuck with a 14'-6" X 10'-10" garage scenario (HO). A removable 9' section at the door allows for auto clearance. This is a "must" for wind, rain and chaos hereabouts. One day in the near future, I'll "get my act together" and post photos...just don't rush me, please. Oh gang, it turns out I must create a whole new account to "dump" the former "alias" (Bobfarkus) fiasco. My profile looks okay, so I'm not breaking an ankle to change it. Rob and Chris, I rode the Montreal Subway back during the Expo era. Fast, clean and "user friendly," it was new and quite impressive. I was a little turned off with the rubber wheels but a "train is a train, is a train," no? The Seattle Mono Rail didn't do that much for me, frankly. Again, polyester, plastics and vinyl are choices of a later generation, mine is of steel, varnish and plush; "old dog- -new tricks?" Okay, let's have 'nother on me and Boris, I apologize profusely. Didn't want to lose my composure! Its only that I'm a Deli Food Freak and a pickle in the sandwich is a lot like "hot bacon" salad dressing on Taboule...BLECHK! [:O] Oh, glad to hear of more interest in the "Rendezvous." So long for now [;)] Ted
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 18 Jun 2005, 11:07:04 Good Morning All Just a cup of coffee and will throw a quick update on book progress in just for the fun of it. When I started the project I wasn't sure how I was going to arrange a book on streamliners so finally decided to do it by dates they entered service. For each streamliner it lists the name of the train railroad that owned train or railroads that operated the train the date it entered service train numbers, mileage each way schedule. Next a paragraph or two about the train and the equipment and finally the consist or consists are listed where known and finally last day of service where known. The introduction describes what made a lightweight and history of the lightweights as well as different types of AC, trucks, diaphragms, etc. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know. The project stands at 250 pages this AM and I am only up to 1950. There is not a single photo but will look for them when I finish. I never thought it would grow to be such a massive undertaking.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 18 Jun 2005, 11:40:22 Speaking of books about passenger trains, streamliners and others, is The American Passenger Train by Mike Schafer w/Joe Welsh and Kevin Holland. The dust jacket alone is worth the price - a great photo of D&H's southbound Laurentian passing along the shores of Lake Champlain in New York state. The resplendent Alco PA and its five car consist in blue, yellow and silver livery just jumps out at you. Fantastic 1968 photo taken in the waning days of American passenger railroading. The 1930's photo on the inside front and back covers extend to the first and last pages, respectively is of the B&O's steam powered Capitol Limited crossing the Thomas Viaduct near Baltimore on its eastbound run from Chicago to Jersey City. This black & white photo shows 10 of the heavyweight consist - with perhaps more trailing behind. These photo's set the stage for an enjoyable ride through the seven chapters of U.S. and Canadian passenger railroading. Well worth the price for sure. Toward the end of the book, on page 143, there is a photo of the ONR's Northlander at Washago, Ontario in 1978. This former Trans Europe Express equipment stands out in the blue and yellow livery. The loco may very well be that Dutch motive power Nick mentioned some time ago. Great looking stuff for sure. The book is hardly a picture book as it is filled with pages of informative information. However, I must admit, it is so easy for me to get lost in those photo's - every time. [tup] Bar's open and the brew is frosty cold [yeah]Whatillyhave [?] Tom
QUOTE: Bobfarkus Posted: 18 Jun 2005, 13:59:32 Passengerfan, will your book be more a technical text or a narrative "walking" the reader through the "Streamline Era," or a little of both? It is difficult to hold interest for many readers on too much technical data. Likewise, holding a "rivet counter's" (no slight intended) attention span with aesthetical ideas might be brief also. At 250 pages of "raw data" and pictures yet to come; it occurs to me that two (at least) volumes [say from the "early thirties'" to "late forties"] and thence on to the stainless steel, "fluted sides" to the present might work well. Just a minimum of commentary, plus pix will grow into a substantial Tome in short order. Only a thought from the "peanut gallery." I can't stay, I was in for breakfast before and have "put off" errands far too long. The monthly "purgatory run" to the Super Wall-Mart looms ahead for staples that are undeniably big savings. Last time, a 300 pounder (plus) ran her golf cart "broadside" into my shopping buggy. It was just a matter of inches between the "Buggy;" and me becoming a "statistic" fallen to another ravenous "compulsive Consumer." Take care all and stay well away from those 300 pounders if possible. Later, Ted
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 18 Jun 2005, 14:44:04 Ted So, what's the status with this Farkus thing of yours [?] Hopefully you'll have that all taken care of BEFORE you try to enter Canada and clear Customs. I heard that Farkus has a totally different meaning to our cousins north of the 49th! (Technically speaking - we aren't going to be anywhere near the 49th in Toronto!) [swg] While at the military commissary the other day, I also encountered two of those 300 pounders you referred to. One was doing her best to navigate the crowded aisles in a motorized cart designed for the handicapped. Far as I could tell her handicap was the excess hanging over all sides of the seat! Anyway, this gal was emulating the Indy 500 - clipped a couple of those portable displays, knocked over a rack of summer sausage, and ran right into a guy bending over to check out the lower level of the cold storage unit for bacon. What a riot. [;)] One guy in uniform cracked that he felt safer in Iraq than in the aisles at the commissary ...... [;)] Sorry you can't stick around - Cindy has the bar for this fine day and she's in between stints over at the Victoria Secret 2006 new product line exhibition in that tent set up down the road ...... [}:)] Okay guys, whatillyahave [?]Beer is frosty, sandwiches are the best in these parts and you can't beat the scenery inside "Our" Place this fine day! [tup] [;)] Tom
QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 18 Jun 2005, 21:05:09 Hey-how about some beer for the kitchen, we`re grafting like wetbacks out here whilst you lot sit at your leisure, swapping notes about what went when and how- If I cant let Boris out soon I wont be responsible for the consequences......He`s been restless of late and frankly I`m anxious.......Large amount of last night spent taking digi-pix of layout, now uploaded into machine-watch this space..!!!!...
QUOTE: Bobfarkus Posted: 19 June 2005, 07:06:49 Anyone know how to change your "user name" on this cockamimie forum?" I sent a "Contact Us" (MR) e-mail for data. So far, nada! The present name is an ancient alias I used for Trains.com. It appeared when I did a re-boot recently (verizon/msn). Any input would be appreciated at your convenience. Until then, "get used to it!" [swg] Nick [C=:-)] , We got your S.O.S. and I heard Capt. Tom and a man from his "squad" are on the way to dispatch the "beer and Boris” crisis. [How did Boris extricate himself from his restraining apron?] Thankfully, you will have this day to recoup after Saturday night's debauchery. Always be mindful that Jemima has her "Green Belt" in Karate which a few "crewmen" have discovered to their shock horror! [:O] The local constabulary is really not an option as Saturday evening is Bingo Night in the Precinct bldg. basement. Yes, Inspector Clueless calling the "numbers." [V] This being Sunday, I shall keep this rapartee to a minimum. Normally, I would join the others at Rev. Jonathan Swifts' Chapel/Feed Store but the 9:41 a.m. (mixed R.D.C.-2 and freight) will be dropping-off my latest Walther's catalogue order. You can surely understand the conflict in priorities here. [:)] Having said that, I'll pull up a Patio bench here in the back, a Molson’s Ale (private cellar) and peruse the local "scandal sheet." [:] I never know when one of us may be in print. Oh Tom, what is the name of our Village anyway? And, will Boris' shed be in any forthcoming pix? Just checking. Ted
QUOTE: Did I tell you all that the historical demonstration railroad we're involved with received 2 new to us coaches last fall? They were built 1936-7 by National Steel Car and finished in the Angus shops for the the trains pulled by the Jubilee 4-4-4 engines. We got the cars painted for Ontario Northland but we will paint them Pullman green eventually. They are in great shape, ride well, but those 4 wheel trucks sure are funny looking!
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 13:13:34 Happy fathers day to all and a special fathers day wi***o Chris. Hope everything continues to do well and you get out on Tuesday. Hospitals are no fun any time. Well have plans for the day and they are not rail related unfortunately. Have a nice day all and will be back tomorrow.
QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 19:39:51 A toast to all parents and children,-Lets take a drink to celebrate the living, then take another to honour the dead. Happy fathers day everyone, CHRIS -I hope the day came together for you and progress continues. TOM-photo evidence of Boris` abode forthcoming, as will be pic of Saskia, the N. Inuit doggie I mentioned some time back-she might make a pin up for Juneau.............. Apologies for ranting last night, Boris` spare apron was hanging over staff refreshments and with the waxing moon our pet science project is becoming easily distracted and proportionately less useful. Have an idea for party on Friday-film night.....At a mutually agreed time, we sit down with a few beers and plenty of junk food, watch either our own choice or a customer poll favourite train-related film then check in afterwards to swap notes-given our varying tastes in music I`ll hook my P.A.system up to the juke, that way everybody gets to leap about to their favourites. If DAN would like to let me know his 3 favourite dishes, We`ll make them the specials for the night. Boris has asked for the evening off, apparently his extended clan traditionally gather at the summit of Mentor Mountain on Midsummer`s Night for the renewing of blood-oaths, feuds, interest free loans, hex`s on unbelievers, and what are we going to do about Great-Aunt Irena. Given the chaos and anarchy he caused last time we partied, I felt the opportunity to good to miss, so will require Cindy in the kitchen for the duration [}:)] apologies in advance if food service intermittent [swg] Just run off a few test prints from photo shoot-interesting seeing my model in the same medium as all the other layouts I see-far easier to identify areas for improvement, beyond those I`ve already got in mind, bedtime here, be good chaps, speak soon nick [C=:-)]
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 20:57:45 Bobfarkus You are absolutely right about rivet counting and I assure you this book will just list the streamliners dates they entered service and consists listed where known and a brief paragraph about the train and thats it. The forward like I said will be only ten pages and explains what constitutes a streamliner. I will do a count for you on the number of streamliners It is actually a staggering figure. I realize It will have to be split and you are probably about right where to split it.
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 21:28:04 Bobfarkus I have come up with 312 streamliners in my book and it will probably around 275 pages total without pictures. Passengerfan
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 19 Jun 2005, 23:23:07 Sorry Tom meant no offence the other day. It's been a busy weekend Friday at dad's today work then to Heather's folks for a father's day BBQ. I'll happily share a pint or two with you tonight while you sort the bath tub into more easy to use piles of money. -------------------- QUOTE: Did I tell you all that the historical demonstration railroad we're involved with received 2 new to us coaches last fall? They were built 1936-7 by National Steel Car and finished in the Angus shops for the trains pulled by the Jubilee 4-4-4 engines. We got the cars painted for Ontario Northland but we will paint them Pullman green eventually. They are in great shape, ride well, but those 4 wheel trucks sure are funny looking! ---------------------- If these are the cars I'm thinking of, they spent some time on the Go transit when they first started up. ONR received them third hand, somewhere or time they were rebuilt with those wonderful Dofasco trucks, which were supposed to make them ride better (faster in commuter service) ONR and Go both take pride in their equipment(both are gov funded) so repairs and general maintenance were always high on the priority list (read cheaper than building / buying new cars) Passenger Al I finally remembered to look up the car numbers for the Algoma centrals dome cars. The ex Western Pacific car was number 813 on the WP this is a Budd built car. The other one is ex UP 9001 an ACF built product. They have a third which was an ex CN but I can't find info on it. It's not run so I'm assuming it's spare parts for the other two. Sorry it took me so long to remember this info. Ted I have a great want to visit SF perhaps that can be our next Our Place tour de force. I know that next may several of our museum guy's are headed down there to ride the PCC's We may even sell one or two of our extra's to them. Well it's late and I've 4 more strait to work before a day of so, I will catch you guy's( n' gals ) later .BTW happy father's day again to all in that profession. Rob
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 13:43:53 Please note new "User name:" Theodorebear. A euphemism for "teddy bear" which I loathe and despise as a "nick name," small wonder, eh? Ignore the "real" time frame as I wrote this message earlier this a.m. but couldn't "Send" until now. Mornin' Cindy, please, a cup of "Joe," 2 poached over a toasted English and Prosciutto on the "side." I guess its too soon for those delicious Texas Musk Melons? Instead, I'll have a "split" of that Wal-Mart wine Rob told me about..."*** du Pays." Hi folks, hope all had a good, family style Father's Day and maybe a "token" rememberance along a R.R. motif? Chris, I know its tough now but think of the fun you guys will have making up for lost time. Oh, and if any of the "Candy Stripers" give you a hard time, tell 'em Tom will bring Juneau and I (my Cat) Minnie the Moocher to hospital. The Place will never be the same. I just hope 'Neau doesn't catch-up with Minnie! She’s a pretty agile feline since her Karate lessons. [;)] Passengerfan Al, 312 Streaminers? I hope "Word Perfect" is ready for that. I don't want to impede your progress but when you find time could you pass along the names of the Frisco (St Louis & San Fransisco R.R.) Trains between Tulsa and K.C., Mo and St. Louis, Mo? "C.R.S." has "shorted out" my memory for those trains which I rode in the 40's and 50's. I haven't found much on the "Net." [V] Please know that I am awaiting your published version with bated breath. Maybe, I could buy from you with your signature? Nothing beats a first edition with the Author's autograph. "Keep on Chuffin'" [^] Oh, here's Tom. Hope the appointment went well? Please don't tell me they "waved the wand!" That's s.o.p. at V.A. hospitals for "the over 50 lot," hereabouts. "Death by a thousand cuts" is less demeaning. While I have your ear Tom, I was referring to a photo of the Boris accommodations behind "Our" Place. However, Nick's [C=:-)] multi talents, I'm sure, will not disappoint. Blimey, this guy does everything up to and including veterinary care for his Assistant. San Fransisco would make a fantastic venue for some future "Rendezvous." [^] Let's make reservations for Giardelli's (Sp.?) and a rail "run-out" to San Louis Obispo (should be spelled Obesepo, or Obistros}[;)] The only thing better would be Heathrow and a "crack" at British Rail and "Pub Grub;" think I'll pass on the blood pudding though. [dinner] . Right, who stole the light bulb from the men's loo? [:(!] Last night, I noticed Boris' shed was dark. Maybe, he was out celebrating with the "coven," or....you get the idea!! Oh well, he may be a [alien] but he's our [alien]. I want to catch the "Circus Train" docu. on P.B.S., so I must shuffle off for now. Be well and happy, so long for now. Ted
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 14:56:06 Ted [?]Teddy Bear [?] Good grief, it gets worse [tdn] What in the world have you gotten into [?] Been nipping some of Boris' private stock Geesh. Why would anyone select a name they don't like And what in the world was wrong with Ted [?] Perhaps the answer(s) should be saved for our Rendezvous in Toronto 2006 [swg] Look, Cindy is having a difficult enough time trying to manage things in my absence without sweating over poaching eggs and finding out whether we even have Porsciutto or not. We have a light breakfast 'round here. That means, nothing fancy - a couple of eggs, bacon, ham slice perhaps, and taters, maybe. Toast of course and lotsa hot Joe. Oh yeah - can't forget the bakery goods from the Mentor Village Bakery. Poor gal, she called me on the cell and wanted to know "Just who is this [censored]....... [?]" Insofar as melons are concerned - that's personal between you and Cindy [}:)] Why am I not surprised that you have a cat named Minnie the Moocher [?] Fits .... and yes, I know the origin. Have it on a couple of CD's ...... I've NEVER been to a VA Hospital and don't plan on doing so. On active duty the USCG wound up being treated by the USPHS or any Armed Forces facility. In retirement, I go civilian - since the military facilities are virtually closed to retirees. As mentioned in the reply to your Email Nick is dealing with the matter of the shed for Boris. We used to have a name for guys like you who constantly stir the pot ..... [swg] No, no, no - not yet - San Francisco in 2007 better not get steamrolled 'round here. Let's concentrate on Toronto in 2006! Grrrrrrrrrrr - [|(] Actually, I think Wales in 2007 would be terrific! But then again ........ [;)] Light bulb in the loo [?] We have light bulbs in those places [?][X-)] Enjoy your program and see ya later! [tup] [;)] Tom
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 16:09:16 Good afternoon ya'll. I think I will have a long neck Shiner Bock today. The closest thing to Guiness Stout I can find without paying an arm and a leg. Tom-We do NOT like the foo foo drinks. That is why I take my martinis very dry. Just having the vermuth in the same cabinet and well stoppered is enough in my marti. I always order an extra dry one with only a drop of vermuth as straight gin most bars charge and extra dollar for it. The one drop does not ruin it providing you have enough gin in the glass. Chris-Glad to hear that you are getting better by the day. You slipped a French word, "sortie", in on us. It reminded me of the first time I took my wife to Paris while I was on business there. We were staying at the Sofitel at La Defense. I was going to offices at the La Defense complex and my wife was doing the touristy things. It was a straight shot down the Metro (rubber tired ugh!) to the Arc De Triomphe and the Louvre under the Champs Elysees. I told her where to change Metro lines to get to the Tour Eiffel, but she never got there. At the Gare Arc De Triomphe all she saw were directions to the post office as all the signs said "Correspondence". I told her that meant connection, not a mail box. The next day she did got to the Tour Eiffel. Over the weekend we went to Versailles. This presented a problem as all of the RER trains instead of destinations on their signs had names. They were named after ladies and had names such as Mona, Rena, Lisa, etc. You had to know the name codes to get to your destination. Coalminer 3-Where are you in wild wonderful West Virginia. Both my wife and I graduated from West Virginia University back in the dark ages. We lived in Bridgeport for two years after graduation as I worked for Hope Natural Gas in Clarksburg. The experiences there could fill a book. I am actually putting together a monograph of my life for the benefit of my grandchildren (7) so they will know what Grand Papa did. Spent a couple of summers while in school surveying the Arkright mine that Pittsburgh Consol had outside Morgantown. Again many good stories from those summers. After a couple of small explosions and slate falls I decided that I do not want to be a coal mole and went to oil and gas engineering. Like you I have ridden on the MTA a couple of times. I think the name has changed to something else now. I read in one of the trade journals that they have a new pass that they call the "Charlie Pass" named after the Charley of Kingston Trio fame. Hope this helps him get off the train. I am sure that by now his wife is plenty tired of handing him a sandwich through the window as the train comes rumbling through. (I love folk songs and the Kingston Trio and Peter Paul and Mary are my favorites). All for now. Better get back to work. Cheers, ***
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 17:24:58 Hi *** One Shiner Bock comin' right up - long neck of course! [tup] According to the Birthday schedule, I see a July 15th (Friday) celebration is in order for YOU. Any conflicts on the horizon that would keep us from providing you with the best that "Our" Place can offer [?]You are on deck as earlydiesels Dan is at bat for THIS Friday. [swg] Tom
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 17:28:06 In for a quick "fortifyer." Just a Royal and soda please. Nick, anything with the Count Basie or Les Brown names: "be fine with mine." Failing that: Ella, Sarah, Anita O'Day, Chris Conner, June Christy, Mel torme, "Big" Joe Williams, Frank Sinatra, any of the above would be for this "Cowboy." Oh yes, any time frame for the Toronto stint is okay. As to the rest of the Summary; what can I tell ya? The "Cricus Train" docu. involved lots of vintage footage of that era. I'm not much on animal exploitation and thankfully, the focus was on railroading and logistics. I would recommend it if you have a free hour for T.V. Okay, I gotta went. Take care, and see everybody soon. TED!
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 18:51:46 Ted I recall seeing a model railroad display where a Circus train and a Circus, with tents and side shows along with an amusement area were included. It was absolutely fantastic - operating "rides" - chase lights - animations, et al. After that, anything I've seen just pales in comparison. The train livery was done up in Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey style - so my guess it was all custom stuff. I believe it was an O-gauge display. Just one of those things I've never forgotten. Ah, the joys of model railroading - can always bring back that which isn't any longer. Thanx for the PBS tip .... [tup] [;)] Tom
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 20 Jun 2005, 23:15:05 Good evening everyone. Ted, "n" Tom [Don't talk too loudly about the Barhnam and Baily you know our resident [alien] Boris was raised by them(hense the ceiling mounted bars in his shed)We wouldn't want to get Boris' preassure up,lord knows what that would do to Nicks [:O] Tom Your message was recieved and something should now be in you "in box" Once everyone who's "rendesvousing" next May decide upon a date. I would like to know what type of activities you would like either mail myself or Tom and he'll certainly get them to me. Happy training tonight everyone. Rob
QUOTE: VIA Rail marks route's anniversary HALIFAX, July 3, 2004 -- This year, VIA Rail Canada marks the 100th Anniversary of the Ocean, the longest-running regularly scheduled and named passenger train in North American history, according to this release issued by the Canadian passenger carrier. To commemorate the occasion, VIA Rail hosted celebrations throughout Nova Scotia and New Brunswick on Saturday, July 3, 2004. The celebrations commenced in Halifax where several special guests including Her Honor, The Honorable Myra A. Freeman Lieutenant Governor of Nova Scotia and His Honor Lawrence A. Freeman, Halifax Mayor Peter Kelly, Barbara Kane, member of VIA's Board and Keith Moulton, VIA's Regional Director , Eastern Services attended the event. One hundred years ago, on July 3rd 1904, the Ocean made its inaugural run between Montreal and Halifax. The train, which was christened through a public contest, began as a summer supplement to the Intercolonial Railway's Maritime Express. The rail link it traveled on had been completed in 1876 as a condition of Confederation. Today, the Ocean still travels the same 1346 kilometers of tracks along the St. Lawrence, through the Matapedia valley, linking the cities of Campbellton, Moncton, Truro and Halifax, with central and western Canada. First operated by the Intercolonial Railway, the Ocean became part of Canadian National's network in 1919 and changed hands again in 1978 when VIA was formed. During its 100 years of service, it has not only remained a vital link but a source of pride and progress for communities along its route. And it has played a crucial role during the two World Wars, transporting troops to the Port of Halifax and bringing them home victorious. The Ocean has also often served as a flagship for new railway equipment and technology throughout its history. Through the years, renovations and new equipment transformed the train from one with Victorian-style wooden cars pulled by a 10-wheeler steam locomotive, to a bed and breakfast on wheels. "As the Ocean celebrates one hundred years of Maritime travel this summer, the train seems destined to continue on as an important link between the eastern provinces and central Canada well into the new century", said Keith Moulton, VIA's Regional Director, Eastern Services. On July 15, 2004, as part of a five-year capital investment program, the sprightly hundred-year-old Ocean will make its inaugural run as Canada's newest train. The modern Renaissance equipment includes spacious coach cars, sleeping cars featuring bedrooms with individual showers, service cars with a lounge area and a brand new dining car designed specifically for the Ocean. VIA Rail Canada is the national passenger rail service. VIA transports some four million passengers per year, connecting over 450 communities from coast to coast. Its operations contribute significantly to the tourism sector, generating significant tourism spending throughout Canada. (The preceding release was issued by VIA Rail Canada on Saturday, July 3, 2004.)
QUOTE: Enclosed you will find copies of VIA Rail ticket receipts for two complete round trips along the entire route of the Ocean from May 5th through the 12th. These are provided only to assure you of the authenticity of our travel. All trips were aboard the Budd stainless steel equipment - our preference. My thoughts regarding VIA Rail and the use of Renaissance equipment on the Ocean between Montreal and Halifax have been documented in past correspondence. However, there are now some issues that I feel should be brought to your attention. (1) Replacing the Budd stainless steel cars with Renaissance equipment will eliminate people such as my wife and I from future travel with you. We did not hear ONE favorable comment from any of the people with whom we spoke regarding your "Euro" train during our recent trips aboard the Ocean. Some were in possession of only anecdotal information, whereas others (such as myself) have travelled aboard them. If what we heard is any indication of the acceptance level of your Renaissance cars, my guess is that it is low. (2) VIA Rail's revision of Easterly Class (June 1st - October 31st) equipment and services will not change our minds insofar as future travel aboard the Ocean is concerned. We most certainly are not interested in having a "Learning Coordinator" intrude on what we have always felt is a personal and private enjoyment of the passing world around us while sitting in the Park Car's dome. Perhaps others may require such "learning," but to turn the Ocean's Park Car into something like a tourist train is a travesty of the 100 plus years of Ocean history and service. Additionally, with just one dome car for the entire train, I can well imagine how crowded that area will be, thereby perhaps eliminating some from the enjoyment of it all. (3) Without a full service Dining Car (with traditional meal preparation), Dome Cars, and bedroom accommodations that provide for reasonable stowage of suitcases for two travellers, Renaissance falls far short of what we have grown to expect during our trips to Halifax. Those "Chunnel chuggers" were not designed for long distance travel nor have they been made to accommodate the full needs of the traveling public. In my opinion, the best Renaissance cars are the Coaches, with comfortable seating and large windows. The Dining Car is well appointed, but the food preparation (previously documented) was very disappointing. The so called Service Cars are hardly the equal of the community and lounge areas of the Park and Skyline cars. (4) The elimination of the Continental Breakfast for Easterly Class passengers during the trips of May 5th - 8th - 9th and 11th was a disappointment and one that we were unprepared for. As early risers, a light pre-breakfast in the Park Car has ALWAYS been something we have enjoyed over the 15 years of travelling that route. It appears that there is nothing special regarding off season Easterly Class anymore - even though the fares keep rising. (5) The elimination of a full breakfast in the Budd Dining Car on the westbound journeys of May 9th and 12th to Montreal was also disappointing and not at all understood. Those breakfasts have been served for decades and apparently with little or no difficulty on the part of your dining car staffs. This "getaway" breakfast aboard the train was something we always enjoyed - but apparently never to be again. (6) The reduction to two entrees in the Budd Dining Car's evening menu along with no chowder (or any soup) was really surprising. Again, over the years, we have always looked forward to the splendid and varied menu selections aboard the Ocean. How disappointing. It is with a sense of profound sadness that we bid adieu to VIA Rail's Ocean in favor of airline travel to Halifax for visits with family and friends. We will miss "you" very much and are heartened only in the knowledge that we have our memories and many, many photographs to keep them alive.
QUOTE: Thank you for your letter of May 30, 2005 and for sharing your views on our Renaissance equipment as well as on the new Easterly Class. We do appreciate feedback from an experienced travler such as you. I understand your desire for VIA to retain its vintage stainless steel equipment on the Montreal - Halifax route, as it is part of Canada's rich passenger rail history. It is unfortunately not an option as the acquisition of our new Renaissance equipment represents for VIA the opportunity to modernize its services and address, amongst many things, the need of a growing tourism market. Your comments concerning your recent May trips and our new Easterly Service introduced in early June are noted. I would like to mention tht the redesigning of our Eastern Canada service became essential for VIA in light of the increasing compettion from other modes of transportation such as airline discount carriers. After extensive research and consultation it became obvious that success for VIA in maintaining its current level of service would happen by developing products which would cater to the tourism market and by the same token contribute to Eastern Canada's economy. We are in fact duplicating to some extent the service levels which, I understand, you have personally experienced on the Canadian between Vancouver and Toronto. [Note: two complete round trips] Many of the service elements mentioned in your letter have actually been addressed within the scope of our new Easterly project. For example, those travelling in Easterly class will be porvided an all inclusive enhanced meal service, which has been redesigned by our Executive Chef. The addition of a Park Car combined with the introduction of a Learning Coordinator with a focus on the Maritime learning experience has proven to be a success since its introduction on June 1st. I understand your concerns about providing sufficient access to the Dome car and of the potential intrusion by the Learning Coordinator for those passengers who prefer a more private enjoyment. I would like to assure you that we will endeavor to exceed the expectations of our passengers and to that end will monitor very closely the service delivery of our new Easterly class service. Thank you again for writing and your genuine interests in VIA's services.
QUOTE: Now boarding, the Firefly bound for - - - - - - on track 43. All aboard.
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