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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:05 PM
Hello everyone.[#welcome] Jeri and Denis glad to have you here,hope you stay on[tup]Just a quick run through thought I'd stop off at the take out window(if we have one or did Boris find the tool chest?[:O])Anyway the wife and I just got back from a day at Port Dover Ontario,needed the nice beach day,wonderfull weather and scenery on the beach, I only got two bruises from Heather [B)][:-^][:-,] I actually went exploring and found where the Lake Erie and Northern interurban cars pulled in to drop off beach revellers. the station is gone but the ROW has become a rail trail.Nice to see that not all the rail history has been oblitereated by progress and new housing developments.It's interesting to see how most (ontario) interurbans usually had a provincial park or private beach or amusement park to use as a sorce of summer traffic,too bad some of this type of railroading doesn't exist anymore.Ted I hope you made it through storm number one unscathed,I don't know if I could live in either Florida or California with their inherant natural disaster type problems.[tup] for those who live there.Well everybody time to take off I'll stop in tomorrow. happy rails everyone Rob
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 13, 2005 5:56 AM
Great news all 'round. Chris will be "out and about" soon, Nick is now "wired" for multi train ops., Dennis and Jeri found Columbine data, Rob unearthed archeological evidence, Al came to the rescue, Tom welcomes new Customers and Ted misses Arlene by a "skinny." Not a bad way to start the week, eh? [swg]

Dennis and Jeri, I hope you can hang-in-there. "Our" Place is a little like an "old boot" with with new soles and heels: comfortable but with a different "feel." The "Regulars" here have the North, East, West, Mid-West and South West covered like a tent but the Rockies (U.S.) area is a tad aenemic. Anything you choose to bring to the "pot luck" will be a delicacy hereabouts. [^]

Rob, just wanted to mention a short interurban (radial) commuter run (13 miles, one-way) from Sand Springs, Ok to Tulsa. I rode this Line as a kid, before getting involved with the technical side of the field. I'm trying to retrieve more data via the Net but so far unsuccessfully. The cars were 2 truck (bogies) low profile, about 55 ft. length, metal over wood frame, 4 point (?) controller and looked suspiciously like an American Car Co. & Foundry species. They were double ended [dbl. poles] with a low arch roof and were "light weights." I'll keep the quest going and report back if I get lucky.

Great Granny's outer foundation garments! I've been "jawing" all this time without so much as a dram to swallow. Tom, if you please, a "harf & harf" for me and whatever the Gents call their favorite "poison." Then, I need to scoot down to Cox Grinding Works where that "shade tree mechanic," Mylow Claude Ball, is duct taping my Toyota Crayolla's clutch back together. Happy rails everyone.[;)] Ted

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 13, 2005 6:59 AM
To Cocolumbine
You are right their is very little information on the COLUMBINE. One of the sources I used was the book Steam Steel & Limiteds it gave me the names of the cars. I have a Pullman reference book that then told me what type of cars they were. I am going to check a couple of other refeernce books I have and will get back to you if their is any other information on the Columbine. The UP historical society should have even more information on the train. As to order of the train I would suggest a source of Official guides for the period the train operated. Since it was a depression era train the consists likely changed quite often as to make up.
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 13, 2005 8:38 AM
Cocolumbine Passengerfan Al once again just did some further research and found their were three sets of equipment for the Columbine not two so what i said earlier about the sleepers would not be true the trains would only have carried one of each type. Which when I think about it makes more sense as it was the depression. The one thing I need to know for sure now is were there three or four trains for the schedules 28 hour 30 minute runs. It would be possible with three but four is more likely. I am going to do some more digging now you have got my curiosity up where this train is concewrned and I am relentless when it comes to digging up train histories. It is a hobby of mine. So you can expect to hear from me again. I did learn that the Columbine was discontinued when the CITY OF DENVER trains entered service and the Colorado Club cars were repainted Pullman Green and reassigned to the Denver Limiteds.
I lean toward four sets of equipment but will have to cantact some UP people to find out for sure. Information on exact consists from that period is difficult to find. The streamline era is easier to find information on then the old heavyweight era and those that knew the answers have passed on and unfortunately the information they had written was thrown out instead of being donated to a museum or historical society. I have probably 8-10, 000 pages of information on the streamliners and have already made arrangements for it to go to the California State Railroad Museum upon my demise. I know its not a subject to talk about but that information can help others in the future and families just throw it away not knowing what a valuable source of information it is. Please everyone who has information accumulated over the years make sure you leave it to a museum or Railroad society.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, June 13, 2005 9:29 AM
MONDAY SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)
Happy Monday To All! Once again, five more days to excel at the workplace …….. ahhhhhhhh, go for it! [tup]

One thing nice about most Mondays for me is that the SUMMARY doesn’t take hours to compile [yeah]! Please note that I’m dong a bit more editing these days in order to cut back on the time aspect for me …. Your photo’s and smilies may not all make it; those are labor intensive for sure.

So here it is ….

QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 12 Jun 2005, 13:44:33
Hi Y'all!

From time to time I've posted some pictures on this thread pertaining to my model railroads ........

This time, I'll refer anyone who is interested to the following photo album site:
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber

Go to the last page and you'll find my latest project involving construction of an S-Gauge layout ........

See ya! [tup]
Tom (Siberianmo)


QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 12 Jun 2005, 19:34:22
Well I know we`re closed tonight, but couldn`t contain my excitement ( no, not the rugby results ) -chance visit to our local Sunday flea market found me at the toys and models stall ( mostly over priced die-cast autos,4th hand Hornby-Dublo and Thomas push-alongs) where buried under the piles of tat I found a new Gaugemaster ( Brit equivalent of M.R.C) twin track with inertia unit at £75-R.R.P about £125. ( about a third of my annual modeling budget) Protracted negotiations with loved one (R.E. Woody Allen on Jewish Foreplay-20 minutes of begging & whining) and it`s all mine -up until now I`ve used 2 30+ year old H+M safety minors which require the layout to be broken down into 20 ft `power districts` and will only run a single loco at best & won`t even look at my Atlas F.P 7`s- this new baby will run both of them at once, or up to 4 Model Power Geeps and F-units in consist, likewise Bachman & Walthers units-def. one of the good days --

DENNIS
[#welcome] --You`ll find equal measures of trains & strangeness here (largely my fault I suspect) plus generous measures of your tipple of choice, stick around, behind the weirdness we have a bunch of seriously well informed regulars who are always happy to share.

CHRIS--take care my friend, Annie is on her way to mop your fevered brow ( complete with candy-stripe outfit ) Boris is also pining visibly . Catch up with the rest of you tomorrow, be good now,nick
[C=:-)]

QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 12 Jun 2005, 20:03:22
Good Evening Nick - you know where the tap is - help yourself!

Received your Email and replied ....... Thanx! [swg]

It's amazing what we'll do in order to justify the acquisition of THAT special THING for our model railroads. Been there and done that .... several times over. [swg]Always reminds me of the best of friends in a bar at closing time. Before you know it, they're duking it out over the affection of some skank who can barely walk and talk. Been there and done that too! [oops]TMI - too much info! [}:)]At any rate, enjoy your new find and hope you have many enjoyable hours of operation with it. [tup]

That Woody Allen reference IS funny [swg]- much better than those earlier attempts at humor .... [;)]

Have another before you go[?]
Tom


QUOTE: CFournier Posted: 12 Jun 2005, 21:06:42
Hi there,
a cup of that Blue Mountain, Tom. Do you know that stuff cost $60.00 for 200 grams here?[censored] It is more expensive than the `'weed' they also export out of Jamaica![swg]
I' m touched by all the get well wishes you guys sent or posted. This is my second encounter with a Pneumothorax, the first one in 1996 was a minor one compared to this time! I was struck by a devastating and totally unpredictable, complete collapse of my right lung. And then it compressed my left lung to a point where I couldn't breathe anymore...The doctors tried a chest tube (ouch) [xx(] but after 6 days in the hospital they decided that only surgery could put the lung in it's place. Anyway, I'll be out by the end of the week and will be in convalescence for a while.
Now this is for Nick: I hold a copy of the November 1993 Railroad Model Craftsman and there is an article about modeling the Northlander which was an European design turbo train for passenger service in northern Ontario in the 70's. The blue, yellow and black 4 unit train was used until 1992 in regular service from Toronto to Timmins Ont.
Chris, going to sleep now said the nurse..

Hi Chris [tup] Happy to have you with us! Bet you didn’t know that I have some of that Blue Mountain in our freezer (for real, not cyber stuff)! Just for special occasions …….. so drink up [tup] [swg]. I’ve never really enjoyed my port calls in Jamaica – but then again looking back over the decades, I’ve seen lots of changes. First time was in 1957, then the early 60’s, md 60’s and early 70’s. I was one of the first to frequent the “new” Playboy Club at Montego Bay ….. just a poor sailor with a “free pass.” Understand all of those places closed up in 1988, worldwide. I think the gals here at “Our” Place are much, much nicer ….. [;)] [swg]

Can’t even imagine the pain you’ve undergone – and with two episodes, I’d say you’ve “paid your dues” for sure. Let’s hope the worst part is way behind you …..

Check out this URL regarding Turbo Trains: http://www.sikorskyarchives.com/train.html

Hang in there, Chris and remember, we’re all pulling for you and wish you the best in terms of a full and speedy recovery.[tup]

Tom

QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 12 Jun 2005, 21:25:41
Chris I to had multiple Pneumothrax problems over period of about three years first left lung about a year later right lung. First time panicked thought it was heart attack, second time knew what was happening so did not panic. That helped. Third incident was out west in Calgary when left lung collapsed again. Was a truck driver at time drove myself to hospital called police and was assured they would not tow truck from where I was parked and checked myself into hospital. Always made it a habit to phone wife every third day so when I failed to phone she got on phone to police friend of family and an all points was issued for truck. Calgary police informed Toronto police what the situation was and they in turn notified wife who phoned me in hospital. I said I did not want to worry her she said she would have understood. Was in dog house for about a month. Strange thing was the lung collapses never occurred again and no explanation has ever been forthcoming.
Chris don't be in a ru***o go back to work. Relax and take it easy. All three incidences of mine were termed Spontaneous Pneumothorax and just as mysteriously as they began they stopped. Good Luck and keep a stiff upper lip.

As always, good, sound input from passengerfan Al. While the both of you have experienced a side of life that we all hope will never happen to us, it just illustrates how susceptible we all are.

I’ve always wondered, how does one go about drinking a beeer with a “stiff upper lip” [?] [swg]
Tom

QUOTE: cocolumbine Posted: 12 Jun 2005, 21:48:48
Hi! I read that your closed today, but wanted to drop by and introduce my self. I am Cocolumbine-Jeri, wife of Comechtech-Dennis, and say a quick hello.

I also want to say a big thank you to passengerfan-Al, for the quick response about the COLUMBINE passenger train. I had most of the information, but not how they where placed on the train, and the cars floor plan description. We appreciate every piece of information we can get, as we want to model every car correctly, and it's been several years in gathering.

Passengerfan could you tell me where you found this information. I'd like to read and or copy the information. We are close to the Colorado Railroad Museum and have nice library access to many books about trains of the area. Information on the COLUMBINE is hard to come by, but we haven't been to Cheyenne, WY to the UP Historcial Musem and Society.

[#welcome] Jeri [swg] Appreciate your visit to “Our” Place and hope you and Dennis find the time to stop by again – first drinks are on the house. [tup]

We now have two wives who have provided some information to us – mine did it back in May on the occasion of my 67th Birthday. If you scroll back through these pages, you’ll find lots of crazy stuff along with some very interesting information regarding Classic and not-so-classic trains.

Enjoy your visit and hope to see you soon! [tup] [swg]
Tom, Proprietor of “Our” Place

QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 12 Jun 2005, 23:05:57
Hello everyone.[#welcome] Jeri and Dennis glad to have you here, hope you stay on [tup]

Just a quick run through thought I'd stop off at the take out window (if we have one or did Boris find the tool chest?)

Anyway the wife and I just got back from a day at Port Dover Ontario, needed the nice beach day, wonderful weather and scenery on the beach, I only got two bruises from Heather I actually went exploring and found where the Lake Erie and Northern interurban cars pulled in to drop off beach revelers. The station is gone but the ROW has become a rail trail. Nice to see that not all the rail history has been obliterated by progress and new housing developments. It's interesting to see how most (Ontario) interurbans usually had a provincial park or private beach or amusement park to use as a source of summer traffic, too bad some of this type of railroading doesn't exist anymore.

Ted I hope you made it through storm number one unscathed, I don't know if I could live in either Florida or California with their inherent natural disaster type problems.[tup] for those who live there.

Well everybody time to take off I'll stop in tomorrow. happy rails everyone Rob

Hello Rob - Got your Email and responded ....... Thanx! [swg]

Glad to hear that you and Heather enjoyed the weekend. That's what they are for - a chance to unwind and do what you want to do instead of what someone else has laid out for you. At least on paper it looks convincing ..... [swg]

It's been years since Carol and I spent any time at the beach. Last time was in San Diego, California and we both turned as red as cooked lobsters after only a couple of hours in the sun. No fun. Since the Mississippi "Ocean" and other rivers around here are not what we consider fit for basking in the sand, we're all for cooler temps with mountains and lakes. [yeah]
Tom

QUOTE: Ted D. Kramer Posted: 13 June 2005, 05:56:12
Great news all 'round. Chris will be "out and about" soon, Nick is now "wired" for multi train ops., Dennis and Jeri found Columbine data, Rob unearthed archeological evidence, Al came to the rescue, Tom welcomes new Customers and Ted misses Arlene by a "skinny." Not a bad way to start the week, eh? [swg]

Dennis and Jeri, I hope you can hang-in-there. "Our" Place is a little like an "old boot" with with new soles and heels: comfortable but with a different "feel." The "Regulars" here have the North, East, West, Mid-West and South West covered like a tent but the Rockies (U.S.) area is a tad anemic. Anything you choose to bring to the "pot luck" will be a delicacy hereabouts.

Rob, just wanted to mention a short interurban (radial) commuter run (13 miles, one-way) from Sand Springs, Ok to Tulsa. I rode this Line as a kid, before getting involved with the technical side of the field. I'm trying to retrieve more data via the Net but so far unsuccessfully. The cars were 2 truck (bogies) low profile, about 55 ft. length, metal over wood frame, 4 point (?) controller and looked suspiciously like an American Car Co. & Foundry species. They were double ended [dbl. poles] with a low arch roof and were "light weights." I'll keep the quest going and report back if I get lucky.

Great Granny's outer foundation garments! I've been "jawing" all this time without so much as a dram to swallow. Tom, if you please, a "harf & harf" for me and whatever the Gents call their favorite "poison." Then, I need to scoot down to Cox Grinding Works where that "shade tree mechanic," Mylow Claude Ball, is duct taping my Toyota Crayolla's clutch back together. Happy rails everyone. [;)] Ted

As always, a POSITIVE submission from Ted [tup], way to go! [swg]

We're always encouraging new customers 'round here - however, there is a caveat - they must pass the Boris Test If Boris turns [tdn], as he did most recently, they are NOT welcome. These kinds of people are SO transparent and easy to identify. So, while it is the policy of "Our" Place to be warm, friendly, courteous, kind, thrify, brave, clean and ...... wait a minute! Got carried away ........ [swg] Again, we just don't encourage those who want to run up their "numbers count," or those who will not take the time to research a particular thread before "jumping" in with perhaps an off the wall comment or question - and ..... well, I'm sure all any of us have to do is check out some of the stuff going on all around us. Not here, at least as long as I'm Proprietor [swg]

Buy a Honda! Why fool with this thing[?] Either that, or have your military retirement check sent to the Can-Am Railroad, Passenger Division and we'll set you up in a private car, with hot and cold running attendants water and all of the amenities of a full service, first class passenger train. [swg]
Tom

QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 13 June 2005, 06:59:18
To Cocolumbine
You are right there is very little information on the COLUMBINE. One of the sources I used was the book Steam Steel & Limiteds it gave me the names of the cars. I have a Pullman reference book that then told me what type of cars they were. I am going to check a couple of other refererence books I have and will get back to you if their is any other information on the Columbine. The UP historical society should have even more information on the train. As to order of the train I would suggest a source of Official guides for the period the train operated. Since it was a depression era train the consists likely changed quite often as to make up.

Oh fine! Just c’mon in – speak your piece – and leave. [tdn] No good morning – howdy – hi y’all [?] [sigh] No coffee, light breakfast fare, a nip of the Crown Royal [?] Is it really you, passengerfan Al [swg]
Tom

Well folks, enjoy this fine day and stop in for lunch. Tonight is our Pool Table Special. If you can lift one end of either of the tables, with absolutely no help from anyone or anything – you qualify for the Special Drawing to be held at the end of the month. Prize[?] One round trip aboard the Can-Am Limited with drawing room accommodations and reserved dome seating.

See ya! [tup] [;)]
Tom (Siberianmo)
Proprietor of “Our” Place

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Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, June 13, 2005 9:59 AM
Good Morning All: Coffee as usual, please.

I enjoyed reading passengerfan's comments re power assignments. Here's some more to consider. Power assignments on the C&O varied according to length of train, terrain, etc. as other posters have suggested. For example. mixed trains on the Hot Springs Branch usually got a geep; interesting trains they were, too - where else could you get an 11 DB sleeper running behind a bunch of coal cars? The Louisville section of the George Washington usually got one E unit with a combine, coaches (2 generally), a sleeper, and a tavern lounge. More power and cars were added at Ashland and the train usually had three Es for the run to Charlottesville where it was broken up. The Newport News section got a geep and 3 cars (generally) while the Es and everything else ran on to Washington. Fascinating stuff to watch all the switching and shuffling that happened at both Ashand & Charlottesville. In the days when Amtrak ran F40s through here, the rule of thumb was one F40 for 10 cars; they really lugged on the Mountain Sub.

The N&W generally operated the "Pocahontas" with a pair of GP9s, although they did run Es back "in the day." IIRC, there was an article about N&W passenger service in MR not too long ago.

The Southern usually had four Es on the "Crescent" with 15-16 cars. The Southern, of course, snakes all over the place, and there are some tough grades between Atlanta and Birmingham which people usually don't think about.

The L&N ran two Es on the Pan American (back to back as God intended!) They had all sorts of power changes en route which made for some interesting activity, especially at Nashville. There was also lots of switching activity at Louisville on the days the South Wind ran.

The remains of the "Georgian" which at the end was a plug between St. Louis and Atlanta were usually handled by a single E. The train was short; baggage car and snack bar coach. One of my best memories of this train was the night when we left Nashillve at about 3 a.m. with a baggage car full of huskies (see, the mascot could ride back then). The guy who was travelling with them got virtually no sleep as he went forward to check on them at every station stop. Dogs and handler arrived in good shape at Atlanta.

Ted D Kramer's comments on the B&O were on target. I will add to his remarks that there's nothing like winter in WV. As they used to say up home, "Your BVDs and pipes all freeze."

Last for CFournier - glad you are feling better. We see and deal with many lung problems in this part of the country - no fun. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Have a good day.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 13, 2005 10:41 AM
Good morning Y'all. Boris, could I have a big cup of coffee. If you have any Blue Mountain I will take that.

Chris-Glad that you hare recovering well and by now you should be out of the hospital. Lung problems can be severe. I never had pneumonithorax (spelling??) and hope I never have it. Had garden variety viral pneumonia a couple of times, but have bounced back from it without any problems.

Jamacian Blue is great coffee. Once bought 1/4 pound of it for $12.50 at Central Market in Dallas. It was good, but we could not distingui***he extra cost for it over any other premium coffee costing about 1/4 of what Jamacian Blue costs. Our quarter pound was a double purchase-our first and last.

I too dabble in model trains. My first set was a post war 1946 Lionel freight set. Added several cars and stuff over the year and finally gave the set to my son as it would be durable for the grand children to try to destroy. Now have the fun of buying cars and locomotives on Ebay for presents. While in high school went into HO. Bought a little, but living in California then Texas where houses are built on slabs could not have a permanant layout. Several years ago got into LGB G gauge. As my eye sight deteriorates with age I had to go to a scale that I could see. Have about 35 cars and 5 locomotives that I put around the tree at Christmas (not all of it). The remaining 50 weeks of the year it resides in the garage cabinet. That is why I call it the GC Railway. During my stay on the DART board I got interested in a new scale - 1:1 as I was watching over DARTS rail operations including the commuter line. Atleast I could see this gauge. No, I have not bought any of this gauge, although I have a few artifacts around the yard.

My most recent acquisition was one of the old keystone shaped cast irow whistle signs from the Pennsylvania railroad. Told my wife it would look nice in the yard showing the "W" as that is our initial (George and me).

A quick story about another acquisition. DART was abandoning (converting from closed down Katy line to light rail) and I was given one of the single light target signals that was in Highland Park (suburb of Dallas that Dallas completely sourrounds). I verified that there was no future use for the signal and it had negative salvage value as I did not want to visit the iron hotel for misuning my position as a board member. When the signal was laid down on the ballast it must of had a chemical reaction with the ballast. The target, which on top of the pole looked about 18" is diameter. After the chemical reactyion it swelled til it was 4 1/2 feet in diameter. Thhk it to our lake house where I installed it along the road. Wired it up so it could be turned on in all three aspects. Needless to say I received all kinds of grief from my wife about having the signal. Now to the punch line. DART was purchasing 1000 new buses for about $250,000 each. The old buses that were being replaced would be sold at auction and fetch $1-2,000 on a good day. My wife was aware of this transaction and the auction. One day at lunch while at home two current DART buses pulled up along side of our house and parked. It turned out that the buses were on charter to the school and got lost getting to the school one block away. My wife saw them and asked what they were doing here. I simply replied: "Remember the signal!" For about 5 seconds she thought I had bought two old buses then she realized that even I would not be that stupid. We still have a good laugh over this on occasion.

All for now,

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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 13, 2005 10:51 AM
good morning everyone. I'll have a quick brunch before I go to work(no Boris , no beer for me this time thanks) Ted thank's for the tid bit, it's interesting how similar the smaller interurban's were like in both countries.I can think of two in ontario like the one you have discribbed. The Hamilton and Grimsby which ran Hamilton to grimsby a 20 mile up and back type operation,and the Hamilton and Brantford. Both were owned by Dominion Electric ( now ontario hydro) they ran from the early teens 1915-16 to the early forties.All wood over steel cars but they had railway or clerestory roofs.Both ran express motors for mail which from what I understand was a main sorce of income with the CNR handling the friut traffic which was (is) the main agricultural stapple in the area.An interesting side bar is that my subdivision in Brantford is built beside the old Brantford barge canal( Mohawk waterway) if I walk upto the embankment three hundred yards from my houde I can wander along the old Brantford and Hamilton ROW.Suprisingly i didn't know what this was when we moved in.Any way work beckons so I'm off for now everyone have a good day. Rob
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 13, 2005 1:35 PM
Good morning all First my apoligies for my lack of manners early this AM . Now its time for a Crown Royal with a water chaser and a round for the house. i was just on my way out the door when I was online earlier and my mind as usual was on passenger trains. My wife says if it came to a choice between her and a passenger trains she thinks she might be in second place. Not So I constantly assure her.
I mentioned in my earlier post about leaving anything regarding trains to the Museum and i can't emphasize how important that is. How many times have we known someone with large collection of train memorabilia who passes on and everything goes to the dump. My suggestion is let the museum or historical society sort it out and they will keep whatever they can use and sell the rest for the benefit of the museum. I don't know how many times I have heard of even model railroad collections just tossed after the owner passes. The museums always need support and the donations will benefit many. I honestly even know of a bras locomotive collection numbering over 200 pcs that went to the dump when the owner passed. The kids had no idea what their dad had spent on the hobby and none had an interest in the trains. I contacted one of the family members after about six weeks had passed and almost had a heart attack myself when I heard what had happened to the brass collection. I didn't have the nerve to tell hime what they had done. I have it all layed out in my will what will happen to my railroad memorabilia when my time comes and the wife understands as well. It is all going to the California State Railroad Museum. Have any other Our Place regulars thought about their collections when the time comes.
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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, June 13, 2005 2:22 PM
For: passengerfan Al Crown Royal for you - Crown Royal for me! [yeah] I need it today ....... boy, do I need it. One of those days .......... [banghead]

Yes, I've given considerable thought to what happens to my model railroad and railroad memorabilia once I'm gone. The roadmap is there and those close to me have been told .....

Nothing like planning ahead - it's not like the end of the line isn't there for all of us. Why leave these details to those left behind[?]

Good subject and even better advice! Thanx .... [tup] [tup] [;)]

Tom
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 13, 2005 5:34 PM
Hi everybody, its been a real "sponge" today with dew point in the mid 70 deg. range. Too warm and wet for anything brewed! Tom, how's about fresh soda draped over Resolute Vodka swimming in real ice cubes, a lime twist and two drops of Angostura? I'm not ignoring Boris but his rendition of this order came with shaved ice, (as in "snow cone") and a tiny parasol.[:O] Checked into the Honda hybrid (18 month waiting period), so, I may be looking into that Can-Am private car ["too good to be true?"]

While boning-up on "above 40" action, I ran into a "love at first sight" CP steam loco: Selkirk type, 2-10-4 [63 in. drivers). In the "snap," she is # 5927 hauling "The Dominion" along the Bow River in Alberta with 13 heavy stds. in tow. I understand this Montreal Locomotive Works genre to be the "largest and heaviest...in the Commonwealth." Any, condescending votes gentlemen? No date given but the Loco's 1938 birth and mointor roofs on cars suggests early 40's. Smashing landscape! In these days of parallel vertical and horizontal lines, the graceful slope of say: CN's #6218, Northern class 4-8-4 (last steam to run) is a sonata to the eyes. I'm told she still runs excursions but no details given. Nick [C=:-)], I meant to ask before about the narrow gauge operations around Skibbereen, Ireland. I was there a couple of years ago and "blew it" for follow-up. If it "rings a bell," maybe some enlightenment?

It is approaching the dinner hour and I had best perform this duty at home lest the thawed Cornish game hens (these 4 days) turn into the stuff of: "in aspic." I bid one and all a pleasant sleep with dreams of a rail journey somewhere, sometime. Ted

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Posted by siberianmo on Monday, June 13, 2005 7:15 PM
Hi Ted

One of my favorite summer drinks is plain and simple Gin & Tonic with a twist of lime, tall glass of course. Back in another time and different life, I used to enjoy those while sweltering in the summer's heat. Really acquired a taste for Gin during my trips to the Caribbean ....... [yeah]

Email received and replied to ........ Thanx [tup] The Rendezvous plans are progressing nicely and I'll have my update included in the 'morrow's SUMMARY.

Glad you checked out the Honda Civic Hybrid. Carol is really pleased with hers. We were fortunate that at the time we looked, there were two on the lot - that was in September 2004. Did you know that there are $2k write offs from your Federal adjusted gross income for purchases of hybrid cars? That made our decision even easier ..... Waiting list, now that gasoline prices are on most people's minds, was sure to follow. Isn't that the way?

The subject of higher gasoline prices in America is a story unto itself. Most people I know haven't the foggiest idea of what Europeans have been paying for years - much higher than in the states. Also, each year when we go "home" to Nova Scotia, it is evident that those prices at the pumps need to be multiplied by 3.8 in order to convert from litres to gallons (I think that's right .....) thereby making gas much higher than here.

I read somewhere that we pay more for a gallon of this or that, compared to what we pay for gasolline. For example: bottled water - soda pop - mouthwash - milk - beer - etc. Just think about it ....... Okay, I'm [#offtopic] - ring the bell, Boris DRINKS ON THE HOUSE! [yeah]

Enjoy your evening. [swg]
Tom

Happy Railroading! Siberianmo
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 13, 2005 8:03 PM
Just time for a quick hello and I'll have my usual and a round for the house.
Ted that picture ypu have of a Selkirk pulling an all heavyweight Dominion could just as easily have been taken in the late 1940's or even up to about 1953. The Selkirks were good power and i believe their are at least two preserved one in Calgary and the other in Ottawa. Their may even be one at Delson I'm not sure about that one.
Your mention of 6218 brings back many fond memories. Rode on several excursions behind the 6218 and chased the train one winter weekend after a fresh snowd\fall the night before. Got some great slides and a winter cold that was tough to shake but was well worth it. I will have to look for my slides on 6218 as my daughter was allowed in the cab and even blew the whistle. But not her Pop he had to stand on the platform and just watch. Did get into Spadina Roundhouse where she was kept and got slides there. Had a friend that gave me access to Spadina Roundhouse and the coach yard. The friend even arranged for me to get some CN china off a business car they were scrapping at Spadina Still have a full set.
Well must close for now if I want dinner i was just told.
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Monday, June 13, 2005 8:31 PM
Well good evening Tom,gentlemen all,and [#welcome]Jeri, A rare pleasure to have a Lady in our midst. A partner who shares our hobby ( as opposed to the more usual amused tolerance ) is truly a pearl beyond price. Tom-I`ll take a "cold one" from the back fridge,a large one for yourself ( you look as though you`ve earned it !) and a round for the stools,also I`ll try your choice of cold meat sub with a scoop from the pickle jar and a side of Chefs salad,assuming Boris hasn`t touched it-By the way,why is our pet genetic curio nailing the pool tables to the floor ? The only response I could get was "Master say do" . E-Mail received,will respond tomorrow when clarity of thought returns. So,to business, Chris-familiar with O.N. units mentioned,not a great success in the frozen north-designed to run in the somewhat balmier climes of south-west Europe on the Trans Europe Express services,and then wih an onboard engineer (tech. support,not driver)-also brakes operated at 225 lbs PSI (I think ) as opposed to std 180 and various other compatability problems-current Northlander works with G.P.38-2,converted "B" unit for train heat plus 3 cars-not a formation you see every day of the week. Hope you are progressing towards full recovery-as a blues fan I`m sure you are familiar with -"Been down so god-*** long,you know it feels like up to me".......Al,wise words-I shudder to think how much irreplaceable information has been consigned to landfill over the years,to say nothing of landmark layouts that have felt the bite of the Husquvana chain-saw......a sobering thought-Tom,same again all round plus a small shandy for Boris,.....thank you. Rob-No wonder you suffered bruising from the lovely Heather,those beach front tattoo parlours are notorious for poor quality work [:-,] Coalminer3,-recall the article on N&W pass ops,some good stuff on both train formations and switching of cars mid journey as I recall-love the sound of that "car on the back of a coal-haul" working-nice one! Ted-Why buy a Honda ?..-for the same money you can have the entire Rover production line including tools,plant & workforce...R.E. Mattah`s Hungarian banquet,would she prefer gnocci or dumplings with the main course........In your quest for large wheels,have you considered Sir Daniel Gooch`s 96" 4-2-2 broad gauge `Iron Duke` class from 1847-62 m.p.h,London to Bristol-with 100 tons of 6-wheel stock with tallow greased bearings on the hook-with two wooden blocks on the front tender wheels as the only brakes. as to the Schull & Skibereen,will need to do some homework,stay tuned ......Right,enough from the overseas desk,back to you guys,moonlight mile for me,take care,nick [ C=:-)]
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Monday, June 13, 2005 8:40 PM
Update on gas prices-we are currently paying approx £0.96 per litre,nick[C=:-)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 13, 2005 11:02 PM
Good evening everyone. I'll have a crown Boris thanks so much.Nick Yeah it was the tattoo parlour at least beleave that.[;)]Gas here is 0.87 CDN a litre.Ted The Selkirk's were the biggest steamers in the dominion.Unhappily the only large steamer still doing excursions(regularly at least) is CNR mountain 6060 she's out Calgary way.6218 is still with us but has been cold since 1977 I beleave. Her currant wherabouts is the Fort Erie Railway Museum. She's not in very good shape lets just remember her as she was it's better that way. Of coarse CPR's newly rebuilt Royal Hudson 2816 pulls the Royal Canadian Pacific Tour trains a few times a summer. There are several smaller steamers still plugging away up here but not as many as say 10-15 years ago Well I'm off for now we have more waether headed this way so good night all. Rob
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:46 AM
Hi Guy's!
Dennis and I are late risers, so morning is not something we do well. I realy like your drinks, no calories, no sugar,and they don't mix with my meds. So, I'll have a Margarita-frozen, if Boris is up to it. Pardon the late hour, but the kids stopped by earlier. Thanks again, passengerfan, I am totally devoted to the luxury passenger trains. I am starting with the COLUMBINE and the Portland Rose. All comments and info. accepted and appreciated. I am still learning about trains, engines, and gauges, so I am like a dry sponge, soaking up anything that comes my way. We are finishing up an inherited N-gauge coffee table layout, then we want to do a layout in our front bedroom in HO. We are still trying to figure out how to transition from the 1890's to 1930' and later, on the same layout.
What are your normal hours of operation, or times when the gang is most likely to be hanging around? We will be changing our hours soon , as it looks like we will be moving in a month or so. We need more daylight hours to deal with it which means getting up earlier, -sigh :( . We have a manufactured home that we'll be moving, to it's own lot, but they wouldn't allow a basement, which we badly wanted. We'll be out of house and home for at least a month so, must prepare for that. Daylight hours are a necessitiy.
We really apperciate the friendly greetings we've received and are willing to share what knowledge we have or can get. So far we like the the reception at "OUR" PLACE, you will see us often.
Hell-o *** nice to meet you, it truly is a small world, I am from Corpus Christ, Texas, but grew up near Mathis, TX in a little spot in road called Sweeney Switch( with entering and leaving on both sides of the sign), about 13 miles north of Mathis. Went to George West High School. That was many years ago, and have made Colorado my home since 1968. Dennis is a native of Denver, CO and we lovr it here.
Have a good one!
COcolumbine and Comechtech
Jeri and Dennis.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 5:53 AM
Wow, having a rough night of it. Woke up coughing as if each gasp was my last. No doubt, yet another allergen has been introduced into the mix of swamp gas, pesticides, spores, grass dust, molds, et al. Sudafed, Halls cough drops, raw Florida honey, Rx antibiotic tablets and nasal spray washed down with green tea have managed to add nausea, migraine, dry mouth and post nasal drip to the original malady. [:(!] The only thing for it was turning on the A.C. Voila, fait accompli! [tup]

Nick [C=:-)], thanks for remembering Matah's affinity for Slavonic cuisine. I think noodles as an accompaniment rather than gnocci. Matah says potatoes are too fattening...[ahem]. I am a little tepid on the whole matter as I once witnessed Boris in a melee with a gargantuan serving of goulash. First time I saw an entire table cloth employed as a serviette. Not a pretty sight! [:O] Count them- -96 " drivers on the "Iron Duke!" Stopping distance must have been nearly half the distance to Bristol, smooooth though. Rover as a choice sounds a lot like Oldsmobile. Think, I'll take a "rain check" in favour of Tom's suggestion on the Can-Am. Another attack like this morning and it will all be imaterial any road.

Yes Al, as the Selkirk wasn't scrapped until 1957 (according to text). I was guessing more by the heavy weight standard cars with the older monitor style roof. By the late 1940's, I would assume at least "smooth sides" would've prevailed. Also, the box car just behind the tender appears to be of the 40' ilk, another clue? While on the subject, from what I'm reading it would appear that British Columbia Rwy (a.k.a., P.G.E., BC Rail Ltd.) is Budd R.D.C. heaven? I seem to recall Tom touting that before. I'm really catching CN, CP fever. The only cure may be the "rendesvous" (sometime in the future) also previously mentioned by Tom. Gad, that sounds like fun! [^]

Dennis and Jeri, sure can't blame you guys for being "late risers." Say, there is an "angle" for mixing the 1890's with the 1930's. Use the older vintage trains as "Exhibition" or "Excursion" events amid a 30's environment; "two birds with one stone?" Again, it is really "a breath of fresh air" to welcome a member of the distaff to this, otherwise, "moss back, slat sided, Boars Nest."[swg] If at times, our rapport drifts a little to the seamy side; hope all will be forgiven? Some of us are accustomed to sitting in the "smoker's" section of the car and forget our "P's & Q's." Just tell Boris to give the offending party a rap on the knuckles...all will be well. Take care everybody, and "happy rails" to you all. Ted
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:33 AM
TUESDAY SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)

Hi Y’all, it’s Chewsday, as some would say, mid week is only a day away! [yeah] [tup] C’mon in and partake in our light breakfast, fresh hot coffee (leaded and unleaded) along with the friendliest service ‘round these parts. [swg] See, isn’t that really friendly[?]

For one and allBoris is NOT a bartender – that’s MY job! The ONLY time I permit him behind the bar is when we are in real bad case of extremis, which for you land lubbers means: between a rock and a hard spot – no matter what you do, you’re in big trouble! [tdn] So, don’t enourage Boris, okay? Geesh! [swg]

Now we DO have substitute bartenders, Cindy on weekends and of course, our four gals Thursday – Friday and Saturday nights. So, as long as we keep Boris in the kitchen or in his shed, all’s well at “Our” Place. [swg] [;)]

FIRST ANNUAL “OUR” PLACE CLASSIC TRAINS RENDEZVOUS

My thanx to those of you who responded to my requests for Email input regarding our Rendezvous. I thought that a brief update for all would be helpful at this stage.

(1) The Rendezvous will occur.
(2) It will be for the regular patrons of ”Our” Place, no spouses – this time (unless the spouse happens to be a regular patron).
(3) The location will be Toronto, Canada.
(4) The events planned for the group will focus on one full day and night, with anything else as optional for those desiring to stay a bit longer.
(5) Trolleyboy Rob has taken on the responsibility of Activities Coordinator or simply put, Host. He’s got a lot to do, but cannot begin until all loose ends are tied up.

Next is to determine when. From the input received thus far, it appears that the month of May, over a long weekend, is preferred.

Given that there are only a handful of us involved with this, let’s make a decision on whenbefore next week – Monday the 20th. Please communicate by Email to me. Once we get that finished, we can turn Rob loose looking into things that will need attending to.

None of what I mentioned is cast in stone and changes surely can and most probably will take place. One thing IS certain, there will be a Rendezvous! [swg]

As always, I stress the use of Email to allow for candidness that many of us would rather not get into in cyber space. Additionally, it restricts the conversation to those who have made the commitment, or would like some clarification on a point or two.
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On to the SUMMARY

QUOTE: coalminer3 Posted: 13 June 2005, 09:59:24
Good Morning All: Coffee as usual, please.

I enjoyed reading passengerfan's comments re power assignments. Here's some more to consider. Power assignments on the C&O varied according to length of train, terrain, etc. as other posters have suggested. For example. mixed trains on the Hot Springs Branch usually got a geep; interesting trains they were, too - where else could you get an 11 DB sleeper running behind a bunch of coal cars? The Louisville section of the George Washington usually got one E unit with a combine, coaches (2 generally), a sleeper, and a tavern lounge. More power and cars were added at Ashland and the train usually had three Es for the run to Charlottesville where it was broken up. The Newport News section got a geep and 3 cars (generally) while the Es and everything else ran on to Washington. Fascinating stuff to watch all the switching and shuffling that happened at both Ashland & Charlottesville. In the days when Amtrak ran F40s through here, the rule of thumb was one F40 for 10 cars; they really lugged on the Mountain Sub.

The N&W generally operated the "Pocahontas" with a pair of GP9s, although they did run Es back "in the day." IIRC, there was an article about N&W passenger service in MR not too long ago.

The Southern usually had four Es on the "Crescent" with 15-16 cars. The Southern, of course, snakes all over the place, and there are some tough grades between Atlanta and Birmingham which people usually don't think about.

The L&N ran two Es on the Pan American (back to back as God intended!) They had all sorts of power changes en route which made for some interesting activity, especially at Nashville. There was also lots of switching activity at Louisville on the days the South Wind ran.

The remains of the "Georgian" which at the end was a plug between St. Louis and Atlanta were usually handled by a single E. The train was short; baggage car and snack bar coach. One of my best memories of this train was the night when we left Nashville at about 3 a.m. with a baggage car full of huskies (see, the mascot could ride back then). The guy who was traveling with them got virtually no sleep as he went forward to check on them at every station stop. Dogs and handler arrived in good shape at Atlanta.

Ted D Kramer's comments on the B&O were on target. I will add to his remarks that there's nothing like winter in WV. As they used to say up home, "Your BVDs and pipes all freeze."

Last for CFournier - glad you are feeling better. We see and deal with many lung problems in this part of the country - no fun. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Have a good day.
work safe


QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 13 June 2005, 10:41:02
Good morning Y'all. Boris, could I have a big cup of coffee. If you have any Blue Mountain I will take that.

Chris-Glad that you are recovering well and by now you should be out of the hospital. Lung problems can be severe. I never had pneumothorax (spelling??) and hope I never have it. Had garden variety viral pneumonia a couple of times, but have bounced back from it without any problems.

Jamaican Blue is great coffee. Once bought 1/4 pound of it for $12.50 at Central Market in Dallas. It was good, but we could not distingui***he extra cost for it over any other premium coffee costing about 1/4 of what Jamaican Blue costs. Our quarter pound was a double purchase-our first and last.

I too dabble in model trains. My first set was a post war 1946 Lionel freight set. Added several cars and stuff over the year and finally gave the set to my son as it would be durable for the grand children to try to destroy. Now have the fun of buying cars and locomotives on eBay for presents. While in high school went into HO. Bought a little, but living in California then Texas where houses are built on slabs could not have a permanent layout. Several years ago got into LGB G gauge. As my eye sight deteriorates with age I had to go to a scale that I could see. Have about 35 cars and 5 locomotives that I put around the tree at Christmas (not all of it). The remaining 50 weeks of the year it resides in the garage cabinet. That is why I call it the GC Railway. During my stay on the DART board I got interested in a new scale - 1:1 as I was watching over DARTS rail operations including the commuter line. At least I could see this gauge. No, I have not bought any of this gauge, although I have a few artifacts around the yard.

My most recent acquisition was one of the old keystone shaped cast iron whistle signs from the Pennsylvania railroad. Told my wife it would look nice in the yard showing the "W" as that is our initial (George and me).

A quick story about another acquisition. DART was abandoning (converting from closed down Katy line to light rail) and I was given one of the single light target signals that was in Highland Park (suburb of Dallas that Dallas completely surrounds). I verified that there was no future use for the signal and it had negative salvage value as I did not want to visit the iron hotel for misusing my position as a board member. When the signal was laid down on the ballast it must of had a chemical reaction with the ballast. The target, which on top of the pole looked about 18" is diameter. After the chemical reaction it swelled til it was 4 1/2 feet in diameter. Took it to our lake house where I installed it along the road. Wired it up so it could be turned on in all three aspects. Needless to say I received all kinds of grief from my wife about having the signal. Now to the punch line. DART was purchasing 1000 new buses for about $250,000 each. The old buses that were being replaced would be sold at auction and fetch $1-2,000 on a good day. My wife was aware of this transaction and the auction. One day at lunch while at home two current DART buses pulled up along side of our house and parked. It turned out that the buses were on charter to the school and got lost getting to the school one block away. My wife saw them and asked what they were doing here. I simply replied: "Remember the signal!" For about 5 seconds she thought I had bought two old buses then she realized that even I would not be that stupid. We still have a good laugh over this on occasion.

All for now,

Cheers,
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QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 13 June 2005, 10:51:23
Good morning everyone. I'll have a quick brunch before I go to work (no Boris , no beer for me this time thanks)

Ted Thank's for the tid bit, it's interesting how similar the smaller interurban's were like in both countries. I can think of two in Ontario like the one you have described. The Hamilton and Grimsby which ran Hamilton to Grimsby a 20 mile up and back type operation, and the Hamilton and Brantford. Both were owned by Dominion Electric ( now Ontario hydro) they ran from the early teens 1915-16 to the early forties. All wood over steel cars but they had railway or clerestory roofs. Both ran express motors for mail which from what I understand was a main source of income with the CNR handling the fruit traffic which was (is) the main agricultural staple in the area. An interesting side bar is that my subdivision in Brantford is built beside the old Brantford barge canal (Mohawk waterway) if I walk up to the embankment three hundred yards from my house I can wander along the old Brantford and Hamilton ROW. Surprisingly i didn't know what this was when we moved in. Any way work beckons so I'm off for now everyone have a good day. Rob


QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 13 June 2005, 13:35:01
Good morning all First my apologies for my lack of manners early this AM . Now its time for a Crown Royal with a water chaser and a round for the house. I was just on my way out the door when I was online earlier and my mind as usual was on passenger trains. My wife says if it came to a choice between her and a passenger trains she thinks she might be in second place. Not So I constantly assure her.

I mentioned in my earlier post about leaving anything regarding trains to the Museum and I can't emphasize how important that is. How many times have we known someone with large collection of train memorabilia who passes on and everything goes to the dump. My suggestion is let the museum or historical society sort it out and they will keep whatever they can use and sell the rest for the benefit of the museum. I don't know how many times I have heard of even model railroad collections just tossed after the owner passes. The museums always need support and the donations will benefit many. I honestly even know of a bras locomotive collection numbering over 200 pcs that went to the dump when the owner passed. The kids had no idea what their dad had spent on the hobby and none had an interest in the trains. I contacted one of the family members after about six weeks had passed and almost had a heart attack myself when I heard what had happened to the brass collection. I didn't have the nerve to tell him what they had done. I have it all layed out in my will what will happen to my railroad memorabilia when my time comes and the wife understands as well. It is all going to the California State Railroad Museum. Have any other Our Place regulars thought about their collections when the time comes.


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 13 June 2005, 14:22:17
For: passengerfan Al Crown Royal for you - Crown Royal for me! [yeah]I need it today ....... boy, do I need it. One of those days .......... [banghead]

Yes, I've given considerable thought to what happens to my model railroad and railroad memorabilia once I'm gone. The roadmap is there and those close to me have been told .....

Nothing like planning ahead - it's not like the end of the line isn't there for all of us. Why leave these details to those left behind[?]

Good subject and even better advice! Thanx .... [tup] [tup] [;)]

Tom

QUOTE: Ted D. Kramer Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 17:34:28

Hi everybody, it’s been a real "sponge" today with dew point in the mid 70 deg. range. Too warm and wet for anything brewed! Tom, how's about fresh soda draped over Resolute Vodka swimming in real ice cubes, a lime twist and two drops of Angostura? I'm not ignoring Boris but his rendition of this order came with shaved ice, (as in "snow cone") and a tiny parasol. Checked into the Honda hybrid (18 month waiting period), so, I may be looking into that Can-Am private car ["too good to be true?"]

While boning-up on "above 40" action, I ran into a "love at first sight" CP steam loco: Selkirk type, 2-10-4 [63 in. drivers). In the "snap," she is # 5927 hauling "The Dominion" along the Bow River in Alberta with 13 heavy stds. in tow. I understand this Montreal Locomotive Works genre to be the "largest and heaviest...in the Commonwealth." Any, condescending votes gentlemen? No date given but the Loco's 1938 birth and monitor roofs on cars suggests early 40's. Smashing landscape! In these days of parallel vertical and horizontal lines, the graceful slope of say: CN's #6218, Northern class 4-8-4 (last steam to run) is a sonata to the eyes. I'm told she still runs excursions but no details given. Nick , I meant to ask before about the narrow gauge operations around Skibbereen, Ireland. I was there a couple of years ago and "blew it" for follow-up. If it "rings a bell," maybe some enlightenment?

It is approaching the dinner hour and I had best perform this duty at home lest the thawed Cornish game hens (these 4 days) turn into the stuff of: "in aspic." I bid one and all a pleasant sleep with dreams of a rail journey somewhere, sometime. Ted


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 19:15:59
Hi Ted
One of my favorite summer drinks is plain and simple Gin & Tonic with a twist of lime, tall glass of course. Back in another time and different life, I used to enjoy those while sweltering in the summer's heat. Really acquired a taste for Gin during my trips to the Caribbean ....... [yeah]

Email received and replied to ........ Thanx [tup]The Rendezvous plans are progressing nicely and I'll have my update included in the 'morrow's SUMMARY.
Glad you checked out the Honda Civic Hybrid. Carol is really pleased with hers. We were fortunate that at the time we looked, there were two on the lot - that was in September 2004. Did you know that there are $2k write offs from your Federal adjusted gross income for purchases of hybrid cars? That made our decision even easier ..... Waiting list, now that gasoline prices are on most people's minds, was sure to follow. Isn't that the way?

The subject of higher gasoline prices in America is a story unto itself. Most people I know haven't the foggiest idea of what Europeans have been paying for years - much higher than in the states. Also, each year when we go "home" to Nova Scotia, it is evident that those prices at the pumps need to be multiplied by 3.3 in order to convert from litres to gallons (I think that's right .....) thereby making gas much higher than here.

I read somewhere that we pay more for a gallon of this or that, compared to what we pay for gasoline. For example: bottled water - soda pop - mouthwash - milk - beer - etc. Just think about it ....... Okay, I'm [#offtopic] - ring the bell, Boris DRINKS ON THE HOUSE! [yeah]

Enjoy your evening. [swg]
Tom


QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 20:03:54
Just time for a quick hello and I'll have my usual and a round for the house.

Ted that picture you have of a Selkirk pulling an all heavyweight Dominion could just as easily have been taken in the late 1940's or even up to about 1953. The Selkirks were good power and I believe there are at least two preserved ones in Calgary and the other in Ottawa. Their may even be one at Delson I'm not sure about that one.

Your mention of 6218 brings back many fond memories. Rode on several excursions behind the 6218 and chased the train one winter weekend after a fresh snow fall the night before. Got some great slides and a winter cold that was tough to shake but was well worth it. I will have to look for my slides on 6218 as my daughter was allowed in the cab and even blew the whistle. But not her Pop he had to stand on the platform and just watch. Did get into Spadina Roundhouse where she was kept and got slides there. Had a friend that gave me access to Spadina Roundhouse and the coach yard. The friend even arranged for me to get some CN china off a business car they were scrapping at Spadina Still have a full set.

Well must close for now if I want dinner i was just told.


QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 20:31:52
Well good evening Tom,gentlemen all, and [#welcome] Jeri, A rare pleasure to have a Lady in our midst. A partner who shares our hobby (as opposed to the more usual amused tolerance ) is truly a pearl beyond price.

Tom-I`ll take a "cold one" from the back fridge, a large one for yourself (you look as though you`ve earned it !) and a round for the stools, also I`ll try your choice of cold meat sub with a scoop from the pickle jar and a side of Chefs salad,assuming Boris hasn`t touched it- By the way,why is our pet genetic curio nailing the pool tables to the floor ? The only response I could get was "Master say do" .

E-Mail received, will respond tomorrow when clarity of thought returns.

So, to business, Chris-familiar with O.N. units mentioned,not a great success in the frozen north-designed to run in the somewhat balmier climes of south-west Europe on the Trans Europe Express services, and then with an onboard engineer (tech. support, not driver)-also brakes operated at 225 lbs PSI (I think ) as opposed to std 180 and various other compatibility problems- current Northlander works with G.P.38-2, converted "B" unit for train heat plus 3 cars- not a formation you see every day of the week. Hope you are progressing towards full recovery-as a blues fan I`m sure you are familiar with -"Been down so god-*** long, you know it feels like up to me".......

Al, wise words- I shudder to think how much irreplaceable information has been consigned to landfill over the years, to say nothing of landmark layouts that have felt the bite of the Husquvana chain-saw......a sobering thought-

Tom ,same again all round plus a small shandy for Boris,.....thank you. Rob- No wonder you suffered bruising from the lovely Heather, those beach front tattoo parlours are notorious for poor quality work [:-,]

Coalminer3,-recall the article on N&W pass ops, some good stuff on both train formations and switching of cars mid journey as I recall-love the sound of that "car on the back of a coal-haul" working-nice one!

Ted- Why buy a Honda ?..-for the same money you can have the entire Rover production line including tools, plant & workforce...R.E. Mattah`s Hungarian banquet, would she prefer gnocci or dumplings with the main course........In your quest for large wheels, have you considered Sir Daniel Gooch`s 96" 4-2-2 broad gauge `Iron Duke` class from 1847-62 m.p.h,London to Bristol-with 100 tons of 6-wheel stock with tallow greased bearings on the hook-with two wooden blocks on the front tender wheels as the only brakes. as to the Schull & Skibereen, will need to do some homework,stay tuned

......Right,enough from the overseas desk, back to you guys, moonlight mile for me, take care, nick
[C=:-)]

QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 20:40:01
Update on gas prices-we are currently paying approx £0.96 per litre, nick
[C=:-)]

QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 13 Jun 2005, 23:02:24
Good evening everyone. I'll have a crown Boris thanks so much. Nick Yeah it was the tattoo parlour at least believe that. [;)] Gas here is 0.87 CDN a litre.

Ted The Selkirk's were the biggest steamers in the dominion. Unhappily the only large steamer still doing excursions(regularly at least) is CNR mountain 6060 she's out Calgary way.6218 is still with us but has been cold since 1977 I believe. Her currant whereabouts is the Fort Erie Railway Museum. She's not in very good shape let’s just remember her as she was it's better that way. Of coarse CPR's newly rebuilt Royal Hudson 2816 pulls the Royal Canadian Pacific Tour trains a few times a summer. There are several smaller steamers still plugging away up here but not as many as say 10-15 years ago Well I'm off for now we have more weather headed this way so good night all. Rob


Hey Rob

Well, what’s to say[?] BLUE JAYS 4, CARDINALS 1. Good pitching stops good hitting is how the saying goes, and Toronto’s mound man, Roy Halladay, did a great job. Tonight’s another night! [tup] [;)]
Tom

QUOTE: cocolumbine Posted: 14 June 2005, 02:46:49
Hi Guy's!
Dennis and I are late risers, so morning is not something we do well. I really like your drinks, no calories, no sugar, and they don't mix with my meds. So, I'll have a Margarita-frozen, if Boris is up to it. Pardon the late hour, but the kids stopped by earlier.

Thanks again, passengerfan, I am totally devoted to the luxury passenger trains. I am starting with the COLUMBINE and the Portland Rose. All comments and info. accepted and appreciated. I am still learning about trains, engines, and gauges, so I am like a dry sponge, soaking up anything that comes my way. We are finishing up an inherited N-gauge coffee table layout, then we want to do a layout in our front bedroom in HO. We are still trying to figure out how to transition from the 1890's to 1930' and later, on the same layout.

What are your normal hours of operation, or times when the gang is most likely to be hanging around? We will be changing our hours soon , as it looks like we will be moving in a month or so. We need more daylight hours to deal with it which means getting up earlier, -sigh :( . We have a manufactured home that we'll be moving, to its own lot, but they wouldn't allow a basement, which we badly wanted. We'll be out of house and home for at least a month so, must prepare for that. Daylight hours are a necessity.

We really appreciate the friendly greetings we've received and are willing to share what knowledge we have or can get. So far we like the reception at "OUR" PLACE, you will see us often.

Hell-o *** nice to meet you, it truly is a small world, I am from Corpus Christ, Texas, but grew up near Mathis, TX in a little spot in road called Sweeney Switch( with entering and leaving on both sides of the sign), about 13 miles north of Mathis. Went to George West High School. That was many years ago, and have made Colorado my home since 1968. Dennis is a native of Denver, CO and we love here.
Have a good one!
COcolumbine and Comechtech
Jeri and Dennis.

G’day Jeri and Dennis Happy to have you back at “Our” Place and pleased to know that you find what we say and do ‘round here to your likings. That’s us – a cyber bar ‘n grill where the talk is trains, Classic most times, and the good times keep rolling.

One thing you can count on ‘round here is that whenever you pop in, there will be someone to talk to. Just post your message, and undoubtedly a reply will be forthcoming. Insofar as having some of us logged in at the same time you are – just check the bottom of your screen – it will show who is reading the topic at that particular moment.

HOWEVER, there is a trick to all of this and it has to do with when you log on … go to Active Topics then active topics since – fill in whatever period of time you are interested in – last 2 days – yesterday – last 12 hours, etc. When you do this, you’ll get the posts for that timeframe. As you are scrolling through “Our” Place the situation in cyber space changes. Meaning – if someone posts a message – it will NOT show up on the screen you are looking at. The only way to ascertain the most CURRENT posts is to go back through the process again – Active Topics then active topics since and this time, indicate a different time period. If “Our” Place doesn’t show up, that simply means no one has posted during the period you requested – try it a few times and you’ll catch on in no time. [tup] [swg]

A question – which do you prefer for your cyber name: COcolumbine or Cocolumbine [?] I ask only because I try to get these things right for the SUMMARY – thanx! [swg]

You may be interested in my photo album at:
http://www.railimages.com/gallery/thomasweber
Some interesting real and model railroading pix ….. Enjoy! [;)]

Enjoy your experiences ‘round here and those first two drinks were on the house! [tup] [;)]
Tom

QUOTE: Ted D. Kramer Posted: 14 June 2005, 05:53:25
Wow, having a rough night of it. Woke up coughing as if each gasp was my last. No doubt, yet another allergen has been introduced into the mix of swamp gas, pesticides, spores, grass dust, molds, et al. Sudafed, Halls cough drops, raw Florida honey, Rx antibiotic tablets and nasal spray washed down with green tea have managed to add nausea, migraine, dry mouth and post nasal drip to the original malady. [:(!] The only thing for it was turning on the A.C. Voila, fait accompli! [tup]

Nick [C=:-)], thanks for remembering Matah's affinity for Slavonic cuisine. I think noodles as an accompaniment rather than gnocci. Matah says potatoes are too fattening...[ahem]. I am a little tepid on the whole matter as I once witnessed Boris in a melee with a gargantuan serving of goulash. First time I saw an entire table cloth employed as a serviette. Not a pretty sight! Count them- -96 " drivers on the "Iron Duke!" Stopping distance must have been nearly half the distance to Bristol, smooooth though. Rover as a choice sounds a lot like Oldsmobile.

Think, I'll take a "rain check" in favour of Tom's suggestion on the Can-Am. Another attack like this morning and it will all be immaterial any road.

Yes Al, as the Selkirk wasn't scrapped until 1957 (according to text). I was guessing more by the heavy weight standard cars with the older monitor style roof. By the late 1940's, I would assume at least "smooth sides" would've prevailed. Also, the box car just behind the tender appears to be of the 40' ilk, another clue? While on the subject, from what I'm reading it would appear that British Columbia Rwy (a.k.a., P.G.E., BC Rail Ltd.) is Budd R.D.C. heaven? I seem to recall Tom touting that before. I'm really catching CN, CP fever. The only cure may be the "rendezvous" (sometime in the future) also previously mentioned by Tom. Gad, that sounds like fun! [^]

Dennis and Jeri, sure can't blame you guys for being "late risers." Say, there is an "angle" for mixing the 1890's with the 1930's. Use the older vintage trains as "Exhibition" or "Excursion" events amid a 30's environment; "two birds with one stone?" Again, it is really "a breath of fresh air" to welcome a member of the distaff to this, otherwise, "moss back, slat sided, Boars Nest."[swg] If at times, our rapport drifts a little to the seamy side; hope all will be forgiven? Some of us are accustomed to sitting in the "smoker's" section of the car and forget our "P's & Q's." Just tell Boris to give the offending party a rap on the knuckles...all will be well.

Take care everybody, and "happy rails" to you all. Ted

Morning Ted Surely sorry to learn of your rough night. As one who has been popping allergy pills since I turned 50, I can relate. No joke – once the big five-o arrived, my ability to fend off the allergens went south. Of course, residing here in mid-continent where they ALL seems to thrive is no help at all. Ah, for the return to sea going days and the salt air …….. [^] [yeah]

The run from North Vancouver up to Prince George in British Columbia WAS RDC heaven …… ain’t no more since BC Rail sold out to CN. Those RDC’s have been sold off and it’s been a challenge trying to keep track (no pun intended) of ‘em. That was a terrific trip with some of the grandest scenery we’ve ever witnessed.

Just let me know when you want to travel the Can-Am and we’ll put it all together for you ….. [tup] [swg]

Tom (Siberianmo)
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:08 AM
Good morning everyone,I'll sample your short stack I think Tom thank-you.TomIt was one game once you get passed Roy and the rookie Gustavo you have a better than 50% chance.As it's shapping up a 500 season's the best we can hope for.'Jeri&Denis I like Ted's idea the excursion angle. It will likely work in quite nicely for you. I have to say that you have some nice country out your way, my one sister and her family are living in Colorado Springs at the moment, and are quite enjoying themselves.Well folks I have work this afternoon so I'll bid my farewells for now. Rob
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 12:21 PM
Hi Rob One short stack and a Kokanee coming right up ... [tup] Oh, no beer for you with that[?] [swg]

Talking baseball, baseball in St. Loo (by the way, NO ONE around these parts refers to our area as St. Loo ... irritates the locals big time.) Now, WHERE was I[?] Oh [yeah] - baseball - the Cardinals are on track for another big win season and unless they suffer some disasterous injuries, it would be hard to imagine them not getting into the playoffs. I don't know much about the Blue Jays other than the records I follow in the standings from time to time. A bit surprised at the low attendance figures too. Whazzup with that[?] Cards have already topped the 3 million mark in advance ticket sales and this area is way smaller than Toronto. [yeah] I know, baseball isn't that big up there, so the saying goes. When the Jays were on the way to those two series championships, times were far better at the turnstiles. Dang it - ring the bell, Boris I'm [#offtopic] again! [swg] Free drinks everyone [tup]

Stop in later and check out the guys trying to lift one end of the pool tables. It's been something to see. Boris went and nailed 'em down - Nick caught him, but only AFTER the track gang had significant voice changes. [}:)] [:-,]

By the way, Emailreceived and responded to. Thanx!
See ya! [tup] [swg]
Tom
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:56 PM
Hello everyone! I'll have something besides an Alexanders, please. Want to try something new- what do you recommend, Tom?
Jeri and Denis-welcome! CLASSIC TRAINS had an article within the past couple of years or so about the COLUMBINE. Lots of neat pixof both interior and exteriors. I have my copy buried somewhere in the den.
Seems like several of the regulars are "under the weather". A speedy recovery and a return to better than new condition to all.
Now I know why my lower back hurts. Boris nailed the pool tables down! I generally don't have trouble lifting things if they're not permanent. I may have to catch Boris in his shed and run a taut rope around it-revenge, you know!
I have heard nothing from the freight rr but I know they are busy and we are still trying to find housing. Our search has been broadened to include some more towns rather than the 2 we were originally researching.
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Posted by siberianmo on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:21 PM
G'day earlydiesels Dan Try a Kokanee, regular or light, a nice brew from BC ....

Sorry about those pool tables, but that's Boris - in his own way, he was watching out for me - I think[?] [swg] Don't fret, the high pitched voice will soon return to normal. [}:)]

My bride gave me a 3-year subscription to Classic Trains for a birthday gift and I now have two in my collection. They sent me a real nice supplement called Great Train Stations and it is well put together. This 16 page supplement is chock full of some nostalgia for all who appreciate what we do 'round here. Worth the effort in trying to get one. My guess is you'd have to send Kalmbach an Email request through their Classic Trains web site.

Enjoy this fine day! [tup]
Tom
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 8:27 PM
Good evening everybody,just back from band practice so if you wouldn`t mind speaking up a bit...........Tom-Hi!-you look a little more at ease with the world tonight,-I`ll take full advantage of your offer of free beer- [^] -Never trust a chef who turns down a free drink [swg] on the strict understanding that you join me,We need to change Boris` apron later and proper preparation is essential......Took the `layout tour` through your album earlier,solved an operational problem for me-where to dispatch traffic from the Purina feed mill in Bradford----Solution-C.P. cars to Can-Am Purina spur in C.P. yard-may well be accompanied by lumber loads for the mill on O.N. flats and newsprint loads in O.N. boxes to the short spur at the extreme right of Union Stn..( I`ll tempt you sooner or later [}:)] ) Right,who else is in- EarlyDan,welcome back. Speaking of backs,sorry about your`s-Boris was supposed to warn all the regulars.....We try,Lord knows we try.....[banghead]...........await further updates with interest Dennis & Jeri,quit fooling around in the booth back there and come and have a drink, Tom ,same again please-and better top up the boys--- Now ,for a mixed era layout how about having a few signature buildings that can be changed for obviously much later replacements...I guess if you can`t find something with the same footprint you could make a cut-out section-----make spurs and sidings according to the latest ( longest) stock likely to be used,try and get photo`s of the same locations at opposite ends of the timeframe-identify whats different and swap and change as the mood takes you...Enjoy! Ted-Hang in there mate,these things will pass-sounds to me like you have Maple Leaf Fever---an uncontrolable urge to breath clean air ,ride on interesting trains,see some modelling potential up close and personal,eat interesting food-----Now then,The Schull & Skibbereen Railway Company-A trawl of the library produced only a thumbnail sketch,but the town library has a more comprehensive account. So far I have:-Length 15 1/2 miles,mostly along roadside. gauge-3`00" speed limit 15 mph,2 trains daily,other than market day,often inactive due to engine failure,almost chronically incapable of making a profit,supported by Govt.subsidy. Only photo I have to hand is of engine#4 in 1937 pulling 4 cars. Enough already,be happy folks,nick[c=:-)]
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Posted by trolleyboy on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:36 AM
Hi all finally able to get back ,we took a pounding weatherwise today lots wind, rain you know the fare.I'm glad to see you back early, been a while.I have to say house hunting is never fun,I imagine even more so when it's job related.Still it's better than doing a long comute and having to live from a suit case.Not wishing to go too far [#offtopic]but the attendance has been down since the strike never has recovered neither has the team.Not many realize but they won six strait division pennants,including the two world series wins.The big difference was they were owned by labbatt's at the time,so money was no option(think NY Yankee's type money)After '94 new owners / no money therefore no playoffs,therefore no huge fan support.Lots of other profeshional sport options in the city as well.Too bad but it's become a big money sport.(charge the next round to me)Lets see trains yes trains I vaguely remember the topic[:D][:-,][:-^] Continuing with thoughts on large preserved steam in Canada. Tom or anyone the museum of science and technology in Ottawa has a large steam and rail collection streetcars passenger cars etc.And Chris can tell you about the CRHA museum in Delson theirs is a most complete collection of running non running steam electric diesel you name it they probably have it rail collection.Though 6218 is a lost cause restorationwise now it's sister 6219 in Toronto is being worked on. Private and museum money. It's been moved from the exhibition grounds to the roundhouse by union station. rumour has it is that they are aiming at making it run again. I know that CN has shown some interest in following CP's lead with their Royal Hudson, but so far they've not comitted to anything. Some people seem to think that they may take over the 6219 project or that they may exersize their option on 5703 (though at the Elgin County Museum CN retained ownership)Time will tell, with CN one never counts the chickens till they have hatched. They may find the need to purchase another railroad before they bring steam back.Still a large CN owned stream excursion train would be nice to see.Well everyone times late so I'll be movin' on. Rob
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:34 AM
Thanks for the many "get wells," they worked, which is more than I can say for Verizon here lately. I'm unable (recently) to: Forward, Open attachments, or Reply. So, I'm changing e-mail addy to MSN Hot Mail which should show very soon in "Profile."

Whew! Tom, now I'm ready for that "Crown" & soda, if you will kind Sir? [C=:-)]Nick, thanks for the "Emerald Isle" up-date. Things haven't changed much for "interrupted" service on the Old Sod. My direct rail "run out" (from Dublin) to Galway found me on a motor coach for the last leg (Ballinasoe?) on into Galway. Pretty country side! If I saw these vistas on a layout, I'd say the Modeler was a Sentimentalist (almost Disney). The auto bus was comfortable, even through the very tight curves and broken hills. BUT, is sure ain't a train![zzz] The authorities said this was a "temporary" issue, so I can only think the Line is complete by now (2 years hence). I noticed sections [appx. 40-50']of "pre fab" ties and rail being hoisted here and there by heavy cranes, almost in a "Tin Plate" fashion. I did a "double take," to be sure. Of course, the real "thrill" ride was the Express from Dublin to Belfast![tup] I gaurantee you, I have not ridden a train at those speeds since the Super Chief (Chicago to K.C., Mo) many "moons" passed.[:O]

I hate to be in a rush, but today is "chock-full-of-chores to catch-up with day". May is fine Tom. If I start packing now it is unlikely I'll overlook much, [tickets, tickets, where the [:(!] are my tickets!) Matah sends regards to all and to Boris in his native {?} tongue. Rob and Tom, what are you guys on about? Look at what we have...the Devil Rays! [:)] So ong for now. Ted
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:55 AM
Good morning Y'all. A round of drinks on me. Boris, I will have some Plymouth Gin over ice with a twist. Make it a double or triple. The day so far has been hectic. I mentioned that I never drink before noon and it only is 10:30 in Dallas. Since we are going to Halifax in a couple of months I decided to acclimate to Atlantic Standard Time. It IS 12:30 in Halifax, so Boris pour the gin.

Nick-the gasoline price of £0.96 per liter equates to about $6.50 per gallon. And we complain about high gas prices. Europe has been paying high prices for 25+ years or longer-even in the days we were paying $0.35 per gallon. It is a pure taxation situation in Europe. Their refineries are just as efficient as any in the US and they buy their oil from the same sources as us. It is the government getting its last pound of flesh. Better get off my high horse. I have been contributing to a thread on the TRAINS forum called "OIL" where I let off a little steam. The Plymouth has mellowed me and I am calmer now.

Tom-Glad that you are back in the saddle again. You mentioned the Emerald Isle which is Irland. There is a second one that I like. In Emerald Bay in Lake Tahoe there is the only island in the lake called-you guessed it-Emerald Isle. There is a stone tea house on the isle. It was built by the lumber tycoon who built Vikingsholm at the end of Emerald Bay. All Scandanavian motif including a grass roof. It is now a state park. A few miles north of Emerald Bay was the terminus of the railroad from Trukee to Lake Tahoe. It ended at a place called Tahoe Tavern, which now is a resort/condo community. Unfortunately the line was removed in the '50s and part has been turned into a hike and bike trail. We love Lake Tahoe. If we could afford to buy a home there we would be gone in a flash. Alas we have to settle for a visit every couple of years. The last time we were there was for my wife's birthday on April 22 a few years ago. On the day we were flying back we went to Trukee for breakfast. This is a railroad town and we ate in a restaurant across from the rail yards. The whole town is across the street from the rail yards! While there it started to snow and we watched the railroad crews load up the rotary snow plow and left town with it. I guess things were a little worse at Donner pass. Sorry we did not get to see it in operation.

All for now.
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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:52 AM
WEDNESDAY SUMMARY of RECENT POSTS (edited)

G’day all! Mid-week has arrived and all’s well, I hope. Do you know what today signifies [?] Take a look at this and then think about it for awhile:

2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST revised: March 5th (Nick – 45) - May 18th (Tom - 67) – July 15th (*** – 65) - July 25th (Chris - 51) - August 16th (Ted - 67) - September 8th (Rob - 34)

Figure it out yet [?] One month from today is the celebration of ***’s 65th Natal Day! [yeah] So, Nick as Party Coordinator, let the planning begin! [tup] [tup] [tup] [swg]

Okay, what do we have this fine day [?]
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 11:08:07
Good morning everyone, I'll sample your short stack I think Tom thank-you.

Tom It was one game once you get passed Roy and the rookie Gustavo you have a better than 50% chance. As it's shaping up a 500 season's the best we can hope for.

Jeri&Dennis I like Ted's idea the excursion angle. It will likely work in quite nicely for you. I have to say that you have some nice country out your way, my one sister and her family are living in Colorado Springs at the moment, and are quite enjoying themselves.

Well folks I have work this afternoon so I'll bid my farewells for now. Rob


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 12:21:15
Hi Rob One short stack and a Kokanee coming right up ... Oh, no beer for you with that [?] [swg]

Talking baseball, baseball in St. Loo (by the way, NO ONE around these parts refers to our area as St. Loo ... irritates the locals big time.) Now, WHERE was I [?] Oh [yeah] - baseball - the Cardinals are on track for another big win season and unless they suffer some disastrous injuries, it would be hard to imagine them not getting into the playoffs. I don't know much about the Blue Jays other than the records I follow in the standings from time to time. A bit surprised at the low attendance figures too. Whazzup with that [?] Cards have already topped the 3 million mark in advance ticket sales and this area is way smaller than Toronto. [yeah]I know, baseball isn't that big up there, so the saying goes. When the Jays were on the way to those two series championships, times were far better at the turnstiles. Dang it - ring the bell, Boris I'm [#offtopic] again! [:(!] Free drinks everyone [tup]

Stop in later and check out the guys trying to lift one end of the pool tables. It's been something to see. Boris went and nailed 'em down – Nick caught him, but only AFTER the track gang had significant voice changes. [}:)] [:-,]

By the way, Emailreceived and responded to. Thanx!
See ya! [tup] [swg]
Tom


QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 14:56:09
Hello everyone! I'll have something besides an Alexanders, please. Want to try something new- what do you recommend, Tom?
Jeri and Dennis-welcome! CLASSIC TRAINS had an article within the past couple of years or so about the COLUMBINE. Lots of neat pix of both interior and exteriors. I have my copy buried somewhere in the den.
Seems like several of the regulars are "under the weather". A speedy recovery and a return to better than new condition to all.
Now I know why my lower back hurts. Boris nailed the pool tables down! I generally don't have trouble lifting things if they're not permanent. I may have to catch Boris in his shed and run a taut rope around it-revenge, you know!
I have heard nothing from the freight rr but I know they are busy and we are still trying to find housing. Our search has been broadened to include some more towns rather than the 2 we were originally researching.


QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 15:21:32
G'day earlydiesels Dan Try a Kokanee, regular or light, a nice brew from BC ....

Sorry about those pool tables, but that's Boris - in his own way, he was watching out for me - I think [?] [swg] Don't fret, the high pitched voice will soon return to normal. [}:)]

My bride gave me a 3-year subscription to Classic Trains for a birthday gift and I now have two in my collection. They sent me a real nice supplement called Great Train Stations and it is well put together. This 16 page supplement is chock full of some nostalgia for all who appreciate what we do 'round here. Worth the effort in trying to get one. My guess is you'd have to send Kalmbach an Email request through their Classic Trains web site.

Enjoy this fine day! [tup]
Tom


QUOTE: nickinwestwales Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 20:27:34
Good evening everybody, just back from band practice so if you wouldn`t mind speaking up a bit...........

Tom-Hi!-you look a little more at ease with the world tonight,-I`ll take full advantage of your offer of free beer- [^]-Never trust a chef who turns down a free drink [swg]on the strict understanding that you join me, We need to change Boris` apron later and proper preparation is essential......

Took the `layout tour` through your album earlier, solved an operational problem for me- where to dispatch traffic from the Purina feed mill in Bradford----Solution-C.P. cars to Can-Am Purina spur in C.P. yard-may well be accompanied by lumber loads for the mill on O.N. flats and newsprint loads in O.N. boxes to the short spur at the extreme right of Union Stn..( I`ll tempt you sooner or later [^])

Right, who else is in- EarlyDan, welcome back. Speaking of backs, sorry about your`s- Boris was supposed to warn all the regulars.....We try, Lord knows we try.....[banghead]...........

await further updates with interest Dennis & Jeri, quit fooling around in the booth back there and come and have a drink,

Tom, same again please-and better top up the boys---

Now, for a mixed era layout how about having a few signature buildings that can be changed for obviously much later replacements...I guess if you can`t find something with the same footprint you could make a cut-out section-----make spurs and sidings according to the latest (longest) stock likely to be used, try and get photo`s of the same locations at opposite ends of the timeframe- identify whats different and swap and change as the mood takes you...Enjoy!

Ted- Hang in there mate, these things will pass-sounds to me like you have Maple Leaf Fever---an uncontrollable urge to breath clean air, ride on interesting trains, see some modeling potential up close and personal, eat interesting food-----

Now then, The Schull & Skibbereen Railway Company- A trawl of the library produced only a thumbnail sketch, but the town library has a more comprehensive account. So far I have:-Length 15 1/2 miles, mostly along roadside. gauge-3`00" speed limit 15 mph,2 trains daily, other than market day, often inactive due to engine failure, almost chronically incapable of making a profit, supported by Govt. subsidy. Only photo I have to hand is of engine #4 in 1937 pulling 4 cars.

Enough already, be happy folks, nick
[C=:-)]
Always good seeing you ‘round here, Nick – wait a minute, you WORK here! [;)]

My obvious intolerance for the jerks of the world is as transparent as glass. Just can’t handle the inconsiderate and undisciplined nonsense in either world – cyber or real. What irritates me even more is encouraging these guys ……. Grrrrrrrr, here I go again! [tdn] I KNEW that I was correct about this latest intrusion ….

Glad you took the tour of the Can-Am RR. Lots to see and lots for the imagination to work with. Appreciate your thoughts. As you have found out, expansion is out of the question. Perhaps some manipulation of structures and vehicles, as I did with the photo of “Our” Place, could be taken to another level. However, I really am into the period modeled. From the 90’s to present day is where I’m at. [tup] There are photo’s of my display cases, chock full of retired rolling stock and others purchased for nostalgia alone. I do take some of ‘em out, put together a consist or two, and give ‘em a run. Just as in the real world – commemorative runs and the like take place all of the time. In fact, the Can-Am RR Historical Society and Micro-Brewery is located in the basement of “Our” Place. Bet that’s new to you, eh [?] Editorial comment: That eh is NOT a Canadianism, just simply a good old Americanization of the question mark. So let’s not get any knickers in a knot ….. [swg]

If you require some assistance with your Party Coordinator duties, let me know. Cindy has been asking if there’s ANYTHING else she could do ‘round here. [}:)]

Tom

QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: Today, 00:36:52
Hi all finally able to get back, we took a pounding weather wise today lots wind, rain you know the fare.

I'm glad to see you back early, been a while. I have to say house hunting is never fun, I imagine even more so when it's job related. Still it's better than doing a long commute and having to live from a suit case.
Not wishing to go too far [#offtopic] but the attendance has been down since the strike never has recovered neither has the team. Not many realize but they won six strait division pennants, including the two world series wins. The big difference was they were owned by Labbatt's at the time, so money was no option (think NY Yankee's type money) After '94 new owners / no money therefore no playoffs, therefore no huge fan support. Lots of other professional sport options in the city as well. Too bad but it's become a big money sport.(charge the next round to me)

Lets see trains yes trains I vaguely remember the topic [:D] [:-,][:-^] Continuing with thoughts on large preserved steam in Canada. Tom or anyone the museum of science and technology in Ottawa has a large steam and rail collection streetcars passenger cars etc. And Chris can tell you about the CRHA museum in Delson there’s is a most complete collection of running non running steam electric diesel you name it they probably have it rail collection. Though 6218 is a lost cause restoration wise now it's sister 6219 in Toronto is being worked on. Private and museum money. It's been moved from the exhibition grounds to the roundhouse by union station. rumour has it is that they are aiming at making it run again. I know that CN has shown some interest in following CP's lead with their Royal Hudson, but so far they've not committed to anything. Some people seem to think that they may take over the 6219 project or that they may exercise their option on 5703 (though at the Elgin County Museum CN retained ownership) Time will tell, with CN one never counts the chickens till they have hatched. They may find the need to purchase another railroad before they bring steam back. Still a large CN owned stream excursion train would be nice to see.

Well everyone times late so I'll be movin' on. Rob

Hey Rob Yes, I’m in tune with the facts of life regarding baseball – and in fact – all of the major sports. Part of me hopes that it all comes crumbling down around their greedy heads – players, owners, agents and union officials all. [yeah] We really don’t spend our bucks nearly as much as we used to in paying to watch the Cardinals Blues or Rams as we used to. Absolutely fed up with the greed factor. [censored]

But – last night’s game WAS a beauty. Cards 7 – Blue Jays zip. Mr. Carpenter’s one hitter was a beauty. Two really well pitched games thus far and last night you saw a bit of the power come alive in the Redbird’s bats – 4 homers. That’s kind of how they are this year. Thank heaven for the televised games. [tup] [swg]

Those museums sound like terrific places to visit. Unfortunately, whenever we’re in either city, Ottawa or Montreal, the time seems to be taken up with so many other things to do that before we know it – time to board the train and move on down the line. Perhaps one day …..
Tom

QUOTE: Ted Kramer Posted: 15 June 2005, 08:34:02
Thanks for the many "get wells," they worked, which is more than I can say for Verizon here lately. I'm unable (recently) to: Forward, Open attachments, or Reply. So, I'm changing e-mail addy to MSN Hot Mail which should show very soon in "Profile."

Whew! Tom, now I'm ready for that "Crown" & soda, if you will kind Sir? [C=:-)] Nick, thanks for the "Emerald Isle" up-date. Things haven't changed much for "interrupted" service on the Old Sod. My direct rail "run out" (from Dublin) to Galway found me on a motor coach for the last leg (Ballinasoe?) on into Galway. Pretty country side! If I saw these vistas on a layout, I'd say the Modeler was a Sentimentalist (almost Disney). The auto bus was comfortable, even through the very tight curves and broken hills. BUT, is sure ain't a train! The authorities said this was a "temporary" issue, so I can only think the Line is complete by now (2 years hence). I noticed sections [appx. 40-50']of "pre fab" ties and rail being hoisted here and there by heavy cranes, almost in a "Tin Plate" fashion. I did a "double take," to be sure. Of course, the real "thrill" ride was the Express from Dublin to Belfast![tup] I guarantee you, I have not ridden a train at those speeds since the Super Chief (Chicago to K.C., Mo) many "moons" passed. [:O]

I hate to be in a rush, but today is "chock-full-of-chores to catch-up with day". May is fine Tom. If I start packing now it is unlikely I'll overlook much, [tickets, tickets, where the [:(!] are my tickets!) Matah sends regards to all and to Boris in his native {?} tongue.

Rob and Tom, what are you guys on about? Look at what we have...the Devil Rays! [swg] So long for now. Ted

Crown ‘n soda comin’ right up! [tup] Enjoy! [swg]

QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 15 June 2005, 10:55:45
Good morning Y'all. A round of drinks on me.

Boris, I will have some Plymouth Gin over ice with a twist. Make it a double or triple. The day so far has been hectic. I mentioned that I never drink before noon and it only is 10:30 in Dallas. Since we are going to Halifax in a couple of months I decided to acclimate to Atlantic Standard Time. It IS 12:30 in Halifax, so Boris pour the gin.

Nick-the gasoline price of £0.96 per liter equates to about $6.50 per gallon. And we complain about high gas prices. Europe has been paying high prices for 25+ years or longer-even in the days we were paying $0.35 per gallon. It is a pure taxation situation in Europe. Their refineries are just as efficient as any in the US and they buy their oil from the same sources as us. It is the government getting its last pound of flesh. Better get off my high horse. I have been contributing to a thread on the TRAINS forum called "OIL" where I let off a little steam. The Plymouth has mellowed me and I am calmer now.

Tom-Glad that you are back in the saddle again. You mentioned the Emerald Isle which is Ireland. There is a second one that I like. In Emerald Bay in Lake Tahoe there is the only island in the lake called-you guessed it-Emerald Isle. There is a stone tea house on the isle. It was built by the lumber tycoon who built Vikingsholm at the end of Emerald Bay. All Scandanavian motif including a grass roof. It is now a state park. A few miles north of Emerald Bay was the terminus of the railroad from Trukee to Lake Tahoe. It ended at a place called Tahoe Tavern, which now is a resort/condo community. Unfortunately the line was removed in the '50s and part has been turned into a hike and bike trail. We love Lake Tahoe. If we could afford to buy a home there we would be gone in a flash. Alas we have to settle for a visit every couple of years. The last time we were there was for my wife's birthday on April 22 a few years ago. On the day we were flying back we went to Trukee for breakfast. This is a railroad town and we ate in a restaurant across from the rail yards. The whole town is across the street from the rail yards! While there it started to snow and we watched the railroad crews load up the rotary snow plow and left town with it. I guess things were a little worse at Donner pass. Sorry we did not get to see it in operation.

All for now.
***

Sorry to have to break the news to you, *** – but here’s a repeat from yesterday’s SUMMARY
QUOTE: For one and all – Boris is NOT a bartender – that’s MY job! The ONLY time I permit him behind the bar is when we are in real bad case of extremis, which for you land lubbers means: between a rock and a hard spot – no matter what you do, you’re in big trouble! [tdn] So, don’t enourage Boris, okay? Geesh! [swg]

Now we DO have substitute bartenders, Cindy on weekends and of course, our four gals Thursday – Friday and Saturday nights. So, as long as we keep Boris in the kitchen or in his shed, all’s well at “Our” Place. [swg] [;)]


……… And I don’t recall being out of the saddle. [swg]

Your Gin has been poured, Sir! [tup]

Okay, that’s it for me! [tup] [;)]
Tom (Siberianmo)
Proprietor of “Our” Place

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Posted by siberianmo on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:10 PM
earlydiesels Dan has just reported that he will be 43 on June 24th .....

REVISED 2005 BIRTHDAY WATCH LIST: March 5th (Nick – 45) - May 18th (Tom - 67) – June 24th (Dan - 43) - July 15th (*** – 65) - July 25th (Chris - 51) - August 16th (Ted - 67) - September 8th (Rob - 34)

Calling Party Coordinator Nick Calling Party Coordinator Nick .......... Hey Boris, c'mon out of your shed and go find Nick [swg]

Nice to have another regular on board with the Birthday program [tup] [yeah]

Tom
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Posted by nickinwestwales on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 4:23 PM
Tom,Hi-First, an apology-I had intended no slight on the Can-Am,which I wouldn`t presume to alter in any way- The paragraph was for Dennis & Jeri but poor sentence constuction masked my intentions,right thats sorted-Drinks for all!! Just popped in for a couple of quickies whilst Herself is out counting bats ( honest )-found Boris down the road being restrained by Insp. Cliwliss,muttering "Master say find" over & over- Ah I see- the 24th -friday week --MIDSUMMERS DAY--a most auspicious night for natal revels--the culmination of the Beltane festival in pagan times ( and still a pretty fair knees-up in these parts,the Celtic heritage and all that. ah she returns,back later nick[C=:-)]

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