QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 25 Jun 2005, 10:29:34 Good Morning all, I had every intention of sleeping in my own comfortable bed not finding myself waking under a pool table. If I can survive last nights ba***hen maybe I can survive anything. Now its back to work and I need help from the gang. What i need is info on the LRC trains the info I need is car numbers, seating capacities, types of cars and dates the LRC services began? I know its a pretty tall order but any help will be greatly appreciated. I tried it on another forum listing and found all of the ACELA info But no come backs that were helpful so I'm tuning to the "our House" lot for assistance.
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 25 Jun 2005, 12:53:42 passengerfan Al Regarding your quest to locate LRC info .... my guess is that any of the leading search engines will direct you to enormous amounts of info. That being said, it then becomes a matter of sorting it all out. There is a relatively new search engine on the block, www.dogpile.com - yes, that's right - www.dogpile.com Go to "advanced search" and keep trying until you wind up with the "hits" you are looking for. I've looked through my train library and haven't come up with the detailed info you require. By the way, we are "Our" Place - not "Our House"! Geesh! [banghead] While you're here - whatillyahave at "Our" Place [tup] [swg] Tom
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 26 June 2005, 00:40:23 Back at work again...., same deal as last night, rounds are done, a little "pucker Factor" as a line squall is over our power mains from down south, but every thing is on the trips, and I have almost 4 million watts of back up hot and ready to run <G>, also we had a display replacement a few years ago, and it cut our power needs on the critical bus <the one with 35 tons of UPS and 980 10,0000 amp batteries on it> by 70%, that gives me Belt, Suspenders, and 3 changes of "innerwear"....... <Rummaging around for coffee and sandwiches> I did 9 hrs at our work day Sat, I don't know the policy for linking other forums but I am Blogging the work parties in one, I can put up a link or just copy / past it here if Ya'll want. Any way it was cooler and slightly overcast, made for a great day. Gunns
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 26 Jun 2005, 08:25:21 SPECIAL MESSAGE to customers of "Our" Place No word from Chris these days .... last Email address I have for him can be obtained from me. So, let's get something started to let Chris know we are thinking of him. Posting here is fine, only IF he's on line, which he doesn't appear to be. Drop me an Email and I'll provide you with the info I've got ......... Thanx! Tom
QUOTE: earlydiesels Posted: 26 Jun 2005, 13:18:51 Hello everyone! Thanks for the great time! Truly a birthday to remember. Saturday I helped at the local rail museum and then attended our Spfld's annual fireworks bash along with about 70,000 others. Met a couple at the library Tuesday night who have a 30" railroad about 2 miles long on their land close to the fireworks so took a picnic basket, rode the train several times, and watched the show. Missed the WW2 reenactors jumping out of the C47, though. The railroad's owner wants to make me an engineer now.
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 26 Jun 2005, 19:24:22 Hi All, coffee please, here is a copy of my Restoration blog. Part 1 <Disclamer, this is unoffical, and not a communication from the NMSL&RHS, just my ramblings, about our efforts.> I am a member of the NMSL&RHSS, and am going to start an ongoing list of what is happening with our restoration. Along with the occasional question regarding some of the projects we are working on. I am going to try to updadte after every work session <Wens. and Sat. every week> as my Mid shift work allows me to hit all the work days. Work prior to the start of this log can be seen at, http://www.nmrhs.org/ Today, we almost finsihed wiring the container we use as a machine shop, and finished opening and cleaning the roller bearings on our 8 wheel buckeye trucks <for the tender> we plan to have the tender finished, assembled, and painted by the end of the year. The roller bearings are in almost perfect shape, with the oil removed looking like it we put in last week instead of 40+ years ago, samples have been saved for each roller bearing and will be tested at Sandia labs for metal content and other indications of wear in the bearings. Our Timken source has been slow to respond about the oil we need to reinstall to the bearings, any Ideas? Also progress has been made on the patterns for the Builders Plates we need to replicate <the originals were lost during the Locomotives years as a park display> We have an example of a 1941 plate <photo with dia mesurement> but still need to establi***he thickness of the plate. Also needed is the boiler spec. plate from the cab that shows the MWP and other data. Future projects include the removal of the Appliances, and the abatement of the asbestos, and the prelim testing of the boiler for the FRA compliance. The overall condition of the Locomotive is very good, <we owe a lot to the AT&SF shops the preped the 2926 for display> the mud ring is very clean, and shows little or no scale, the lubricators are working and lubed the running gear during the movement to the storage and then to the work site. all rods have roller bearings installed, and the appliances look like they will need only a little work to make them fully functional. On the down side almost every thing in the cab was vandalized during the park years and will require replacement or re construction. The wrapper around the lagging was patched over the years with pop rivets and galvanized steel and is useful only as a pattern. And all the wiring will need to be replaced. <Disclaimer, this is unofficial, and not a communication from the NMSL&RHS, just my ramblings, about our efforts.> I hope this is of interest, Gunns
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 26 Jun 2005, 19:25:33 Part 2 Well, today <Wednesday> we finished the shop wiring, and I got in the first cuts on a new rivet set for our 3/4 rivets. <I got tired of looking an will just make my own....> the Tender wheel bearing covers are all back in place and we are wiring the safety wires through the bolt heads, <had to drill some of them> the contractor came by to put in a bid for the fill connections for the water tender, we are going to put in a 4 inch pipe from the bottom to fill from Fire pumpers, and also a connection so we can use an Aux tender if needed. the fill pipe will be accessible from both sides of the tender an will have an adapter set so we can connect to most types of fire hoses. <Note the fill pipes will have backflow preventers and be "Y"ed in to a stand pipe 5' tall inside the tender tank so we wont lose all our water incase of a break> the fill Idea was Gleefully appropriated from the folks operating the 3751. Gunns
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 26 Jun 2005, 19:26 Sat. workday, Ahh, long day, installed the last outlet in the work area next to the shop. <Now I can quit pretending to be an electrician and get back to my lathe> We then set up and finished a rivet header to shape the rivet heads on our footer plate under the tender <this plate also is the mount for our tool boxes> this "header forms a rivet head approximetly 7/8 by 1/2 high from a rivet shank 1/2 in dia. <any one wanting construction details let me know> Heat treating will be completed Wens. The finale inspection report on the tender wheel bearings has been written and filed in our growing file of stuff for the FRA inspector. And work proceeds on the trucks, now its brake rigging, we are calling it "Art in the Park", peeling off 40 years of accumulated paint from adjustment links and fittings. It took three of us to un screw one link <I managed to break the jaw off of a 24" crescent wrench and snap the head off of a 5 lb. hammer> Brute strength an ignorance prevailed <along with penetrating oil and breaker bars> and the adjusting rod was disassembled successfully, with out damage to the parts in question. We have an almost complete folio from the AT&SF shops regarding the 2900 series locomotives, faulting only Vol. II the list of heat treated parts and the "numbers" for heat treating them. Not a show stopper as references elsewhere in the folio are mostly available to cover the missing data, but if any one knows a source for the voll II it would help a lot. The biggest job remaining with the tender trucks are the bearings in the brake rigging, and pivot points in the Buckeye frames. Data we have calls for them to be driven out and replaced with "Case hardened material" where needed, some of the bearings are in almost new condition and a few have been worn egg shaped but none luckily past the bearings them selves. Also welded shims put in place by the last shopping need to be restored and welded back in to place. The oil bunker is almost compleate, with the brackets for aligning the Dunnage re fashioned from angle iron and welded in to place, now we need to replace the wooden spacers and lower the bunker back in to place. prior to replacing the bunker we need to verify the operation of the emergency oil shut off valve, one of the moving handles that was well used during the park years. And also while both the water and oil tanks have been primed with "Rust Bullet" <we are skipping the red lead paint...> we still need to get the black paint on the surfaces that will be covered with the oil bunker in place. To be continued...... Gunns
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 27 June 2005, 00:24:29 Just a quick drive by posting (I'm tired and work's been busy ) Gunn's have you tried writing / emailing to the Timkin plant in St Thomas Ontario, they make the loco bearings. You may get more of an answer on wear / oil etc from them. I know that our museum's shop guys more oft than not write directly to the manufacturers if we need anything. Several of them our now corporate sponsors always helpful. A funny story this is true. About ten years ago we were having trouble with our L&PS car #8. The bearings were going and no one made that size and type anymore ( car was built in 1915 by Jewett ). Our master mechanic at the time noticed that the bearings manufacturer was still in business, so having no luck with the various middle men out there he wrote them direct. We figured that we wouldn't here any thing and we started drawing up contingency plans. Static display which was not really an option as we had spent 12 years of off frame restoration to mdake the car fully operable, or redesigning with more modern type bearings not a pleasant thought but a real possibility. Low and behold the manufacturer got back to us and told us that they had four bearings in stock in their warehouse. Which we promptly ordered. We were charged freight only for the parts which arrived packed in their preserving grease just as they originally appeared in 1917 when they were made!!! We were also sent the patterns and drawings for them. When we need parts we send the patterns off and have them made .Pricy but at least a priceless car is still operable. Well everyone enjoy the rest of your weekends. Talk to you all later. Rob
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 27 June 2005, 02:57:46 Ducking in from work again... Coffee please, Yep we tried Timkin, they said that the end users picked the lubricants, how ever the crew of the 3751 has the same roller bearings on their tender, and a pair of 50 gal barrels of the oil they use, and they read the stock number and specs. off of them for us.... one down lots to go <G> Hmmm sandwich fixens thanks to the Kitchen crew... Found out that due to war time shortages our builders plates were made from cast iron, and I am thinking of trying the lost foam casting method of replicating them, not really looking forward to working with cast iron temps though..... If it works maybe I'll put together a new range for the kitchen here <grin> Gunns
QUOTE: Gunns Posted: 27 June 2005, 03:42:24 Ok back form rounds, more coffee, Two Questions for the crowd... 1. The years have passed and we find ourselves with an operating certified class 1 steam locomotive, capable of 87,000 lb of draw bar pull, what do we do with it? <conditions, we want to run, making money is not important except that we want to break even on operating costs> 2. We want a shop storage facility, what should we include? <realistically and dream extremes> For me, 1. I would run an excursion from Albuquerque to El Paso, stay over night and return. That is about 260 miles one way, and as we can run at least at intra modal speeds, the trip would take about 5 or 6 hours. <if we are allowed to break 70 mph we can chop an hour or so off of the trip. Note I figured the trip at 45 mph average> and I would try to do the trip 3 or 4 times a year.... 2. I think we need a covered heated / cooled structure that we could raise steam inside of, it would need "house steam" of at least 80 psi <ever hear how to cold start an oil burner > at least4 sidings inside the building, 1 for Rail car restoration, one for the engine one for a guest engine, and another if we need to separate the tender and loco for work. Also an inspection pit for inspecting the underside and a wheel drop pit. A fab shop with lathes, drill presses, and mills also.. water, power, etc. What do you think? Gunns
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 27 June 2005, 06:46:17 Mornin' everybody , just got back from the Interstate marathon unscathed but for highway paranoia, floating "coffee kidneys" and Truck Stop 10 W. 40 "grease." I'm sure all of you have been to a reunion of some sort, so I won't dwell on the particulars. I'm just grateful to be back in one piece so I can renew my previous oath: "NEVER AGAIN! Maybe a Benedictine and Brandy 'straight up' Tom. That will take the "edge" off the glutinous "pig out" I had on "real" food at home last night. B& B also works as a sedative and I'll need it after reading the previous week's Summaries. Gunns, a late hearty welcome to "Our" Place and your contributions on the "real" thing. It sure is humbling to listen to you and Rob (trollyboy) pounding away with 5 lb. hammers and 2' crescent wrenches, et al., while I'm using forceps, tweezers and "Goo." I know it will all be worth it when old 2926 starts hissing, belching and chuffing again. "Its alive, Its alive!" Gunns, you live in the "best kept secret in the West." In 1998, I made a "solo" trip there (Albuquerque) enjoying the climate, B.B.Q., Tex-Mex, "Old Town," Kirtland A.F.B. and artist's colonies (first day). The second day, I was out looking for real estate. I'm still sorry nothing reasonable developed. Where are Clueless and Doyle? Are they on the Chris Case?" I can't leave my "second stool" for a couple of days that everything ends-up "in a hand basket." Looks like Village Vigilante time for an A.P.B. on our fellow passenger, and a.s.a.p.! Oh, sorry I missed your Birthday Dan. From the look of the repair bills and salvage receipts; it must've been grand. I hope the present "slow down" on "The Streamliners" book is only temporary and will soon be back in "full swing." Suggestions, Gunns? A very wealthy group of Sponsors should do it. Okay, I'm outta here! Its great to see ya's all again and I brought back four bushel of Md. Crabs for Nick's larder. The "Air Bourne" boots are for Boris come wine season. , See ya.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Theodorebear Hey Trainnut484 (Russell)...well I'll be "Hornswaggled, blued and tatoo'ed" (Yosemity Sam) if you ain't from the same "Union Station!!" Pull up a saddle horn and grab a "brand" you like. Tom (Bar-Keep) will be along soon and give ya "beau howdy." Lived in K.C., Mo. for years (too many) and remember 45 trains a day "in and out." Naturally, I recall AT&SF as a "Mainnstay" but 23 other Roads came through those weird sheds too. Give everybody a K.C. "howdy" and when you've a mind to listen; I'll tell you all about Union Station from the "Massacre" to the day I got lost in the Harvey House Ladies' Room. Russ, be prepared...these guys are "heavy weights!"[[^] Thanks for the e-mails Tom. They are always helpful. TED
QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo [#welcome] Russell -Trainnut484! First drink 'round here is on the house [tup] [swg] So, you and Ted know one another .... [tup] that will help you get acquainted with "Our" Place a bit easier. Always helps to have someone show you the ropes, so to speak. Nothing complex about this cyber bar 'n grill - just check out the first page, go from there and to save youself some time, when the SUMMARIES show up, they will provide you with the updates needed to play catch up ....... [;)] We have a good core of regulars at this bar of ours and the conversations range from Classic Trains to all kinds of train related and other stuff. Again, check out the SUMMARIES and you'll get the idea! Speaking of summer heat, we are located alongside the main lines of the Can-Am Railroad and there are lots of reasons to stop off - air conditioning being just one. [swg] So, ready for 'nother one [?] Tom, Proprietor
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 27 Jun 2005, 15:52:18 Just a friendly reminder for those at or soon will be trackside in the summer heat. Be sure to pack alot of bottled water, something to snack on, and a place to get in out of the heat. Have a safe summer . Take care, Russell
QUOTE: Theodorebear Posted: 27 Jun 2005, 17:39:53 Hey Trainnut484 (Russell)...well I'll be "Hornswaggled, blued and tatoo'ed" (Yosemity Sam) if you ain't from the same "Union Station!!" Pull up a saddle horn and grab a "brand" you like. Tom (Bar-Keep) will be along soon and give ya "beau howdy." Lived in K.C., Mo. for years (too many) and remember 45 trains a day "in and out." Naturally, I recall AT&SF as a "Mainnstay" but 23 other Roads came through those weird sheds too. Give everybody a K.C. "howdy" and when you've a mind to listen; I'll tell you all about Union Station from the "Massacre" to the day I got lost in the Harvey House Ladies' Room. Russ, be prepared...these guys are "heavy weights!"[ Thanks for the e-mails Tom. They are always helpful. TED
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 27 Jun 2005, 19:24:13 Theodorebear (Ted), thanks for the howdy. When the barkeep can do it, I'll take a Miller Lite. I'm always good for great stories. Email me when your due in old "cow town". Take care, Russell
QUOTE: siberianmo Posted: 27 Jun 2005, 20:19:18 [#welcome] Russell -Trainnut484! First drink 'round here is on the house So, you and Ted know one another .... that will help you get acquainted with "Our" Place a bit easier. Always helps to have someone show you the ropes, so to speak. Nothing complex about this cyber bar 'n grill - just check out the first page, go from there and to save yourself some time, when the SUMMARIES show up, they will provide you with the updates needed to play catch up ....... We have a good core of regulars at this bar of ours and the conversations range from Classic Trains to all kinds of train related and other stuff. Again, check out the SUMMARIES and you'll get the idea! Speaking of summer heat, we are located alongside the main lines of the Can-Am Railroadand there are lots of reasons to stop off - air conditioning being just one. So, ready for 'nother one [?] Tom, Proprietor
QUOTE: Trainnut484 Posted: 27 Jun 2005, 21:54:14 Siberianmo (Tom), thanks for the welcome. For someone who's been around the forums for a while, it's good to have a place to sit down, open a cold one, and enjoy great conversation . Hopefully I'll get to meet the others soon. Take care, Russell
QUOTE: trolleyboy Posted: 27 Jun 2005, 23:10:33 Good evening everyone. Tom I'll have a glass of water and a water cress sandwich (your the one who wanted me to order something} Ted Hey glad to see you made it back mostly in one piece. I've often said never again to reunions but find myself normally suggesting the next one. Gunn's I'd go for a modern metal (prefab) building/ engine house think pike stuff mr type engine sheds. They are easy to maintain and heat / cool etc. A pit or elevated inspection plat form is essential. Our museum can't believe it went as long as it did before we put in "the pit" Check your local building codes though we wanted to add another pit either to the existing shop building or our new barn 4 which we are starting to build but we 've been told that it can no longer be built so we're a one pit operation. I'd go for a transfer table to shuttle stuff back and forth as well. Of course if price is no option build a full size ten stall brick roundhouse complete with turntable and boiler room. When we built barn two in the late 70's( work barn with pit ) we installed the wood and metal shops in separate fire proof bays attached to the main building. Trust me with the winters here we are glad that all our maintenance eggs are in the same basket. That's it for now folks talk to you all tomorrow. Rob
QUOTE: wrwatkins Posted: 28 June 2005, 05:20:34 Good morning Ya'all. Greetings from downtown Tripoli Libya. Did not think I would have access to a computer here, but the hotel Corinthia has three for guests. Wait your turn and you can log on and play. The connection is a dialup so Itend to get a little frustrated. I will give you a little travel log. Flew from London Heathrow to Trpioli on Sunday. You need visas to enter Libya and they are almost impossible to get. We did have a fax from the Chairman of the Management Committee of National Oil Corp. stating that the visas would be issued at the airport in Tripoli. The problem was that British Air will be fined $10,000 for transporting someone here without a visa. The airline wants a letter from immigration stating that a visa would be issued upon arrival. We did not have this and after an hour of BA calling several people in Libya we got a guarantee by NOC that they would be personally responsible for us. Then we got our boarding passes for the flight. Arriving in Tripoli we had to give up our passports for an hour while they went "somewhere" to have the visas issued. We finally got them and went through three metal detectors and xray machines before getting out of the airport. Our driver was there to meet us and took u to the Corinthia hotel, which is a 5 star hotel. Beautiful view of the Mediterranean Sean and the harbor. The bad thing is that not one railroad track was visable except for the track for the unloading crane on the dock. The area is a desert! Lots of sand and rock, a few palm trees, and grass only where it is watered which is not too frequent. The Libyans are very friendly and cordial people and i do not have any fear for my personal safety. I am not going to venture into the Casbah or Souk. Very little police presence so I assume violence is very limited. The country is a Moslem country and there is NO booze of any kind! When I get back, Tom, will you pour me a very stiff triple. I need to make up for lost time. Food in the hotel is good and you can get oriental, ethnic, Italian, and American food. Have cable television with the majority of the channels being from the US (Discovery, CNN, TCM, Disney, etc). The English language programs has Arabic subscripts. All for now. It is time for lunch then to a meeting with the American affairs officer (substitute for an ambassador as our relations with Libya have not progressed as far as full diplomatic recognition). It is hot, dry, and very sunny here. Trying to keep in the shade and cool as possible. Cheers, ***
QUOTE: passengerfan Posted: 28 June 2005, 07:24:40 Good Morning All Too lazy to address the forum yesterday so will start with a strong coffee and maybe a croissant. *** that sounds like a fantastic trip you are on and hope you will be able to give us a run down on the Libya Rail system when you return. I want to thank the forum readers for the help they have given me on my book project. I have all of the ACELA info except for dates they entered service. I received all of the info on the Tempo Equipment except for the all important entry into service dates. Still looking for the info on the LRC cars I have the power rosters and descriptions but need the car numbers types and capacities along with dates they entered service. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Still no word from Chris will contact you off the forum will if necessary have a friend in Montreal do some checking for us.
QUOTE: Originally posted by trolleyboy <snip> I'd go for a transfer table to shuttle stuff back and forth as well. Of coarse if price is no option build a full size ten stall brick roundhouse complete with turntable and boiler room <snip again> Rob
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