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[siberianmo]

SATURDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


The weekend has arrived! Time to pour a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee and try our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts. Don’t forget the freshly baked pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery!

Today is ENCORE! Saturday. Dig out those oldies but goodies and resubmit ‘em! Never know who may find enjoyment either on the second time around, or for the first time![tup]


Daily Wisdom

Grammy has so many clothes, she never wears the same outfit once. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

"Our" Place is in need of a Manager! The position is part-time, and requires a bit of extra-duty for special events, Birthday Bashes, etc., and making an appearance for our Thursday thru Saturday calendar events. The pay is whatever you think is "right," which can be drawn from the tub, upstairs in my private quarters. Additionally, the Manager oversees the activities of the staff and characters of "Our" Place - with the exception of Cindy, she's mine, mine, mine - mine I tell ya! - ooooops.<grin>


* Weekly Calendar:

Today is Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite!

The bar is CLOSED tomorrow (Sunday). However it IS Sunday Photo Posting Day![tup]


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 05:31:21 (225) Friday’s Info & Summary

(2) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 07:28:36 (225) AM narrative

(3) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 08:33:32 (225) Morning visit

(4) Theodorebear Ted Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 08:53:28 (225) Inclusive Post, and ….

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 09:12:30 (225) Acknowledgments, etc.

(6) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 09:27:01 (225) Special

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 10:58:32 (225) Inclusive Post, etc.

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 11:46:33 (225) Classic Juice #19

(9) LoveDomes Lars Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 11:57:35 (225) Map of the SIRT (1953)

(10) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 13:05:33 (225) NOSTALGIA #61 Ad, UP (1933)

(11) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 15:40:29 (226) Acknowledgments, etc.

(12) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 15:45:36 (226) Federal Express, Part IV, etc.

(13) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 15:58:46 (226) PM visit!

(14) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 16:06:27 (226) Inclusive Post, etc.

(15) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 16:38:15 (226) Classic CNR Steam #14

(16) passengerfan Al Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 16:45:13 (226) Streamliner #44

(17) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 16:51:06 (226) etc.

(18) passengerfan Al Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 17:06:43 (226) Streamliner #45

(19) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 18:45:45 (226) Acknowledgments, etc.

(20) passengerfan A; Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 19:11:12 (226) Chat

(21) siberianmo Tom Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 20:43:37 (226) reply to passengerfan

(22) barndad Doug Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 22:35:18 (226) Inclusive Post & Russian Decapods, Final

(23) barndad Doug Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 23:55:02 (226) Smoke Deflectors


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre:

. . . January 16th thru 21st: Disaster on the Coastliner (1979-TV) starring Lloyd Bridges, Raymond Burr & Robert Fuller.

Coming attractions:

. . . Sunday, January 22nd: DOUBLE FEATURE Danger Lights (1930) starring Louis Wolheim, Robert Armstrong & Jean Arthur. - and – Runaway Train (1985) starring Jon Voight, Eric Roberts & Rebecca De Mor Nay.

. . . January 23rd thru 28th: Denver and Rio Grande (1952) starring Edmond O’Brien, Sterling Hayden & Dean Jagger


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[Anonymous]

OK ...I couldn't wait to show ya'll a little of the material that's just come in:

Smoke Deflectors by Herbert G. Monroe from Railroad Magazine Feb. 1941

In 1902, This Rogers Consolidation was the Great Northern’s answer to smoke nuisance in the Cascade Tunnel. Big motors, working singly or in tandem, Now glide through the 3 ½ mile bore.


Ever since 1833, when construction engineers drove America’s first railway tunnel through a hillside four miles east of Johnstown, Pa., motive power men have cudgeled their brains for a solution to the difficult problem of smoke deflection. True, their first efforts were scattered and half-hearted, since early bores allowed worlds of atmospheric clearance for iron colts whose stacks reached high above slim boilers and gothic-windowed cabs. But there came a day when locomotives were to burst their brass belting and grow in girth until their stacks resembled nothing so much as warts on a Sequoia log.

Those of us who spent the period of transition in smoke-filled engine cabs will never forget the experience. When a big freight hog, with something less than a thousand loads at her tail, thundered into a tunnel and the dynamiting exhaust struck the ceiling like the muzzle-blast of a rapid-fire cannon, belching smoke was instantly deflected downward to enshroud us in a shriveling black fog. Somehow, we usually managed to weather through, but more than one good rail came out cooked like a Thanksgiving turkey.

Not only did the tunnels endanger the lives and health of engineer, foremen and head-shack, but very often the exhaust blasted key-bricks from the arched ceiling, thereby threatening to drop the mountains above straight through the open holes. It has been told how an engineer named Clancy – or maybe it was Moriarty – saved enough bricks on the “Rat Hole” run in a year to build a fine house. Most of them he took from the running board, but now and then one bounced through the window and clicked him on the cranium.

Back in 1907, when I was braking on the Southern, those falling bricks annoyed Master Mechanic W.H. Dooley, of the CNO&TP. Besides, he was tired of listening to the crews cuss. So it was that he went about building what might be termed the first “modern” smoke deflector. Unfortunately, Mr. Dooley soon found himself in the position of the man who built a cabin cruiser in his basement. He had the boiler makers in the Ferguson Shops at Somerset, Ky., cut out and fit an extension over the stack of one of the engines; an elbow pipe like the kind you’ll find behind a kitchen stove.

This member was about two feet high, and hinged in such a manner that it could be raised and lowered by a contrivance that included a set of gears and an air cylinder. Everybody gathered around to see the epic-making locomotive start off, and Mr. Dooley was as proud as a new father. The hogger cracked under the throttle, but he forgot to lower the smoke deflector and it knocked down part of the building. This was better than jarring the portal off a tunnel, for it was discovered that the device was too high to clear the main lines bores anyway.

Not disheartened, Mr. Dooley made another one. This was a right angle bonnet, or flop-over deflector. It was operated by a mechanism similar to the first, but, though the air was left on in the tunnel, the exhaust had a tendency to blast the bonnet off the stack. Dooley then cut off a third of the elbow, which allowed free passage of some of the exhaust until the deflected portion struck it, whereupon the entire exhaust was turned from the tunnel ceiling. The pressure at the top edge of the bonnet held it firmly against the stack. These bonnets are still used on some of the Southern’s engines, and a careful survey discloses that the original right-angle deflector, with minor changes, is a favorite on the Canadian Pacific, Great Northern, Santa Fe, the Milwaukee and several other top-ranking railroads.

As I have already stated, I was braking on the Southern about that time, on a run in the Atlanta-Chattanooga district. Athwart that route, just south of Braswell, Georgia, old Braswell Mountain stood glowering, plainly resentful of the snorting trains that rummaged around in her bowels. It was in this bore that I heard Gabriel trumpeting his call to man the Heavenly Express, on my first trip over the line.

The hogger and fireman had coaxed that hand-fired, saturated freight hauler up the grade with 1200 tons on her tail. When we hit the portal the steam pressure was down to 160 pounds. The tallowpot had been working his heart out, trying to wind her up against the pin, but the coal was tough, the fire was dirty and the old gal wasn’t what she used to be. Each long-drawn grunt threatened to prove her last. The added tonnage of a jay bird lighting on a box car would have stalled us. Every shovel of coal added to the density of the smoke belching from the stack. Just before we blasted underground, the hoghead eased the throttle off a few notches and dropped the Johnson bar down in the corner. Then he reached for the sander valves. Seeping water and exhaust evaporation would make the rails in the tunnel as slippery as a county fair greased pig.

Meanwhile, the foreman had gone to the gangway to gulp down a last breath of clean air. Already, we’d closed the windows and soaked big gobs of waste with water. The last trickle of daylight faded. The labored thunder of the exhaust slugged at our eardrums, the heat and the smoke grew ever more intense. It was like slow-baking in a Dutch oven. We buried our faces in our caps and the wet waste – coughing and choking. I had visions of stalling, and tried to steal a glimpse of the gage. I thought of the tank and wished I was in it to my neck – and then some. About that time the drivers started to dance, But the hogger caught her, like a wayward wench being dragged to her feet by a true Southern gentleman.

We were suffocating, and yet we burrowed deep in coats and jumpers, trying to shut out that stifling heat and smoke fumes. My ears rang – or, perhaps, it was chimes. I vowed that if I ever got out of Braswell Tunnel, I’d lead a sweeter, purer life. And then, suddenly, we were through, and Braswell Mountain was behind us.

Along in 1917, a pusher was located on Braswell Mountain. One day this engine was ordered to the shops. An engineer named Damon Hicks started up the hill with the ailing jack. When he entered the tunnel a cylinder packing was blowing. Before he got half way through it went out, enveloping him in a swirl of steam. To complete his discomfiture, the drivers started to spin and he couldn’t find the throttle for the ghostly “soup.” The pusher slipped down. Damon tried to start, but the old mill just danced. She was out of sand – the very life-blood of an engine in a tunnel. The other hogger had used it helping on the mountain during the night.

When Hicks finally got her out, and wiped his sweating face and hands with the waste he had to breathe in, every inch of skin came off. He was out of service several months, and still feels the effects of his experience under Braswell Mountain.

This ear-trumpet effect decorated the head-end of the Boston & Lowell’s “Eagle”, back in 1870. Strictly speaking, it was a spark arrester, not a smoke deflector.


[:I] Railraod Magazine, was formerly Railroad Stories, which used to be Railraod Man's Magazine. This Feb 1941 edition cost 15 cents! (17 cents in Canada)

[Anonymous]

Good evening Tom and gents! I'll have a bottomless draught, and here's $23.68 to use on a round for the house. I enjoyed your London & North Eastern Railway add from 1933. It's difficult for me to picture trains coupled with anything medieval. It just isn't a good match for me, but maybe that's just my take on it. As for the most recent coalmining disaster, my bet is that these accidents happen a lot more frequently than we hear about.

It's been a busy work week for me, and it looks like I'll be having a steady diet of more of the same ... forever. Lucky me. On the sports side of things in Chicago, the Bears lost, as they should. They never fooled me into thinking they were a real team. They just had a cushy schedule. I'll root for CM3's Steelers now. I surely enjoyed their toppling the Colts! Our Blackhawks aren't winning much, but they're all very young and super talented kids who need some time to get used to playing with each other. Our third line is a serious weak-link. Perhaps some collective deck re-shuffling will keep them from killing us.

As usual, the posts here have been truely outstanding. Wonderful wonderful stuff came from so many, with P offering his continuing saga of the Federal Express. Rob went beyond the call with his many excellent posts on the LE&N, BC Hydrorail, Canada SOuthern St. Clair, and Hiawatha. Al followed suit with a terrific post on the Golden State. I'm sure everyone here is just as impressed with Rob and Al as I am. You two guys are incredible sources of fascinating information, and the time you must spend typing is obvious.

Nick, sorry I missed your Tiger Prawns the other night. I like to butterfly cut them, and dip them in virgin olive oil, season with Spike and grill them on a flat iron pan, even in snowy weather like we're having now.

Ted, it sure comes as a shock that you won't be with us as much as usual. Where are your priorities? [:0] We need you to assist in brainwashing Al's grandson! [}:)]Remember the "Our Place" motto ...."As soon as kids can talk, they should be talking about trains."

I have a special treat for ya'll. You might remember my mentioning the acquisition of other material that I felt would be interesting to the folks here. Well, it's here ... about 3 dozen "Railroad Stories" pulp magazines published from 1931 to 1946. The pages are yellowed, and many fall apart, but I believe I can use them. We shall see!

For now... here is the final part of my Russian Decapod series:

A Brief History of Russian Decapods – by Thomas J. Schneider and Hugh R. Harris – selected from November 1996 Rail & Wire

Sold to the St. Louis-San Francisco Railroad in 1920, USRA 1147 became Frisco 1630. The Frisco owned twenty Russian Decapods. Compare the “Americanized” 1630 with the original export version at the beginning of this series. 1630 was photographed in Springfield, Missouri, on May 19, 1949, by Arthur Johnson.


When the USRA was dismantled, the government-owned locomotives were to be sold. The Frisco (St. Louis-San Francisco Railroad) had 10 of the Alco Decapods already in service under the War Department lease plan. When the sale was announced they immediately purchased the ten units already on their lines at $25,000.00 each – with the government to pay for putting them in good condition prior to the sale. Mr. J.M. Kurn, the President of the Frisco, asked Mr. E.W. Brown, Chairman of the road, to try to buy more of the “Russian Decapods,” since the ones they already had were giving excellent service. We have copies of letters and telegrams between Mr. Kurn and Mr. Brown discussing this purchase. In addition there are copies of letters from Frank McManamy, the Assistant Director of Operations for the USRA about the possibility of additional locomotives being available.

However the first contract between the Department of the Army (which was assigned to dispose of the locomotives and other materials) and the Frisco was only for the 10 Alco locomotives already been committed to other lines or sold for export. These initial 10 were numbered Frisco 1615 through 1624.

Of the original 200 Decapods leased out by the War Department, a total of 87 were immediately purchased by American roads as shown in Table IV. The balance of 113 were sold for export to the Washington firm of Cuthell, White, Bayles and Appel, counselors-at-law. There was a specific condition in the terms of sale that the locomotives could not be resold to the “Russian soviet republic.” (Note the capitalization is from the original document). All 113 locomotives were to be repaired, re-altered to five-foot gauge, equipped with Russian couplers and boxed for ocean shipment by the Baldwin Locomotive Works. The price for these was $47,710.00 each compared with the $25,000.00 each paid by the American roads. A report in The Engineer of London (May 28, 1920, pg. 557) stated that these remaining engines had been sold to the Government of Estonia.



However apparently not all of these locomotives were actually shipped out of the country. We have no explanation for the discrepancy, but in November of 1920 we have copies of letters and telegrams between Mr. Brown, Mr. Kurn and Mr. McManamy about sending an inspection team to the Tullytown****nal in Pennsylvania. They were to inspect more Decapods and to select the ones the Frisco wanted. There had not been another 56 Russian Decapods released for sale to US railroads.

These were to be sold under the same terms as the first ones bought by the Frisco. The price was $25,000.00 each to be paid over five years at $5,000.00 per year. Again the government would pay to put the locomotives in good condition prior to the sale. The Frisco signed another contract with the War Department on November 22, 1920, for the second group of locomotives. These were listed in a letter dated July 21, 1921, as USRA Numbers 1053, 1074, 1089, 1097, 1134, 1135, 1140, 1147, 1181 and 1199.

Once the Frisco bought and renumbered USRA 1147 as Frisco 1630, she and her sisters were reconditioned in the Frisco shops at government expense as part of the purchase agreement. The records we have been able to examine do not say how much was spent to recondition the locomotive or indicate exactly what alterations were made by the Frisco.

Later records do show that in 1926 the railroad replaced 38 of the regular radial staybolts with Tate Flexible staybolts. In 1935 she got a new front flue sheet, a couple of patches on the boiler, and a new set of flues. In September, 1938 the Frisco added another safety valve so that 1630 now had the three safeties that we see today. The Nicholson Thermic Siphon was added in August, 1938, then in 1945 they did some substantial firebox patch work. Both PRR and the Frisco record the lower tri-**** valve as being 3 ½” above the crown sheet although the initial specification shows 2 ¾”.

We have a letter from Mr. C.V. Knox, who was responsible for 1630 in the early 1940s at the Kansas City shops of the Frisco. At that time Frisco 1630 was used on trains 58 and 59 between Clinton, Missouri and Kansas City. Number 58 would depart Clinton about 5:00 pm daily with a train of coal for Kansas City Power and Light Company. It would arrive in Kansas City about 9:00 pm and turn back with a one hour layover, departing Kansas City about 10:00 pm with empties.

1630 in passenger service, just months before her sale to Eagle-Picher Mining Company, 1630 pulls Frisco Train Number 21 out of Harrisonville, Missouri, at 9:15 am on a bright summer morning. Trains 20 and 21 plied the secondary route between Kansas City and Springfield, Missouri, covering the 195 mile trip in 6 hours and 20 minutes. The mainline between the two cities was served by the Kansas City-Florida Special, a joint Frisco, Southern Railroad, Florida East Coast train between Kansas City.


In his letter, Mr. Knox refers to an accident involving the 1630. He got his information from a retired Chief Dispatcher Mr. J.R. Kolb and from retired Engineer T.H. Beckham. Sometime in 1942 a regular or extra train with engine 4012 southbound was to meet regular or extra train with engine 1630 at Kimbrough, Alabama, where the Frisco and Southern Railroads had a crossing and interchange. The passing track was north of the Southern Railroad crossing. When 4012 arrived at Kimbrough they found the passing track blocked with a cut of interchange cars from the Southern. Apparently the interchange track only held six or eight cars and when there were more cars than that it was customary to shove them all onto the passing track.

Since the passing track was blocked, for some reason 4012 proceeded south across the Southern Railroad crossing and into some curvy track on the main line. It was in these curves that 1630 northbound (with Stave Jackson, who had a reputation as a fast runner, on the throttle) met 4012 head on. Apparently the two locomotives were locked together since we have a letter from Mr. John Seanor Abbott of Springfield, Missouri who was the Roundhouse Foreman at Amory at the time the accident happened. He comments that it was a long drag with the 1630 and 4012 tied together with switch chains from Kimbrough to Amory and then to Memphis.

Apparently they called 1630 “The Bolshevist” since it had originally been built for Russia. Mr. Abbott was an apprentice in the Springfield roundhouse when the locomotive arrived there. He states that the 1600s were very hard to re-rail – let’s hope we don’t have to do it too often! We have no more information on the incident, 1630 was in general freight service on the Frisco.

[siberianmo]

Hey Al

Caught you over at my other thread and now here! Busy night for you, eh[?]

I never said I didn't like hockey - in fact it is a great sport and I agree, I'd much rather watch it in person. We used to drive to KCity just to watch the old IHL team - the KC Blades (now defunct). Really prefer minor league hockey. NHL has totally turned us off, as in O-F-F!!

While you're at it Boris ring it again![swg]

Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[passengerfan]

Tom will have to wait for the Morning Paper to find the leaque of our Hockey team. They play Anchorage in Alaska tonight. They won the home opener but haven't done to well since.
Sports franchises are new to Stockton and will take some getting used to.

We had a brand new baseball park open last April and they even have a section with Rocking Chairs. That sounds like it was made for me.

I don't know about you but the TV cameras are unable to keep up with the Puck so would rather see a Hockey game in person. Never did enjoy the game on TV. The new Arena seats 10, 000 for Hockey and last nights crowd was 6,740 for a Thursday night that isn't too bad.
I must also mention that we are going to have Arena Football and Soccer in the new sports complex.

One thing I noticed last night if the Arena fails it would make a great indoor railroad layout.

I know Boris ring the bell time for another round.

TTFN AL

[siberianmo]

Evenin' Gents!

Since my last Post, we've heard from:

ftwNSengineer P Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 15:45:36 (226) Federal Express, Part IV, etc.

coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 15:58:46 (226) PM visit!

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 16:06:27 (226) Inclusive Post, etc.

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 16:38:15 (226) Classic CNR Steam #14

passengerfan Al Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 16:45:13 (226) Streamliner #44

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 16:51:06 (226) etc.

passengerfan Al Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 17:06:43 (226) Streamliner #45

Nice of ALL to make your contributions to the group![tup][tup]

Still looking for a Manager!

Didn't notice anyone partaking in our Pizza Nite! or Steak 'n Fries Nite![%-)][%-)][%-)]

Appreciate the round, CM3 and the quarters for Herr Wurltizer's Coal Scuttle![tup][tup] Twice in one day![yeah]

Al Two fine Streamliner series! AND two rounds![wow] So, one more time - what's the deal between your abillity to Post these "things" on the thread AND your printer[?] Also, what league is that hockey team in[?]

Rob Another fine Post with your Classic CNR Steam! Appreciate the visits AND the round![swg]

P Is there a video available of this adventure? Part V is next, eh[?] Compellilng stuff, indeed.[tup]

Okay Gents, we've been ready to serve one and all since 5 PM! [dinner]Dinner anyone[?]

Later!

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
jJust Thought I would include the complete text on one train and I chose the GOLDEN STATE. This is how it will appear in my book.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #45

GOLDEN STATE CRI&P – SP Trains 3-4 January 4, 1948 Chicago – Los Angeles daily each direction 2,324 miles each way 48 hours

The Rock Island / Southern Pacific GOLDEN STATE between Chicago and Los Angeles by way of Kansas City, Tucumcari, El Paso, Tucson, Phoenix, and Yuma became streamlined and diesel powered on January 4, 1948. Never able to match the time keeping of rival Santa Fe’s SUPER CHIEF or EL CAPITAN, or Union Pacific’s CITY OF LOS ANGELES. The GOLDEN STATE route was never able to compete for speed but for direct service to Phoenix, Tucson, Yuma, or El Paso the GOLDEN STATE was the train to take. The GOLDEN STATE in spite of its slower schedule to end points than its rivals was never the less a fine train and for many years had operated as an all-Pullman train. On January 4, 1948 the GOLDEN STATE began operating on a 45-hour schedule between Chicago and Los Angeles behind diesel power and advertised as streamlined. The new Red and Silver Paint scheme was introduced at that time with the red running from roof to the bottom of the windows and Silver was the color of the lower half of the cars. Only the Southern Pacific would own diesels painted to match in the red and silver scheme but they were soon repainted in DAYLIGHT colors. All of the lightweight streamlined sleeping cars were pre-war and the rest of the cars were a mixture of streamlined and heavyweights painted to match. The trains would not be completely streamlined until 1949-50. Rock Island operated the GOLDEN STATE behind their power between Chicago and Tucumcari, New Mexico and Southern Pacific assigned their diesels from that point to Los Angeles. An exact consist of the GOLDEN STATE would be difficult to list as they were almost constantly changing. The prewar sleeping cars were of two types 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Cars owned by both the Rock Island and Southern Pacific as follows:

ROCK ISLAND

GOLDEN DESERT
GOLDEN DIAL
GOLDEN DREAM
GOLDEN FLEECE
GOLDEN HOUR
GOLDEN SUNSET
GOLDEN WEST

SOUTHERN PACIFIC

GOLDEN CAVERN
GOLDEN CRAG
GOLDEN MISSION
GOLDEN MOON
GOLDEN RIVER
GOLDEN STRAND
GOLDEN TRAIL

The other prewar sleeping cars assigned to the GOLDEN STATE train sets were 6 Section 6 Roomette 4 Double Bedroom cars again with Rock Island owning seven and the Southern Pacific owning six as follows:

ROCK ISLAND

GOLDEN BANNER
GOLDEN CHARIOT
GOLDEN DOME
GOLDEN LOCKET
GOLDEN MESA
GOLDEN PLAZA
GOLDEN TERRACE

SOUTHERN PACIFIC

GOLDEN CANYON
GOLDEN CLOUD
GOLDEN CREEK
GOLDEN PLAIN
GOLDEN SEA
GOLDEN VALLEY

Both CRI&P and SP provided 48 seat Coaches as follows:

ROCK ISLAND

339 GOLDEN HARP
340 GOLDEN FLUTE
341 GOLDEN BELL
342 GOLDEN TRUMPET
343 GOLDEN LUTE
344 GOLDEN CYMBAL
345 GOLDEN CHIME
346 GOLDEN LYRE
347 VALLE VERDE
348 VALLE VISTA
349 VALLE MAR

SOUTHERN PACIFIC

2428 GOLDEN VEIN
2430 GOLDEN SAND
2431 GOLDEN LODE
2437 GOLDEN ORE

The Rock Island also provided the following lightweight streamlined cars.

FIESTA COFFEE SHOP TAVERN CARS

410 GOLDEN GOBLET
411 GOLDEN BOWL
412 EL CAFÉ

36 SEAT DINING CARS

425 GOLDEN BANQUET
426 GOLDEN REPAST
427 GOLDEN HARVEST
428 EL COMEDOR

BAGGAGE 21 CREW DORMITORY CAR

820

2 DOUBLE BEDROOM 1 DRAWING ROOM BARBER SHOP BUFFET 26 SEAT LOUNGE OBSERVATION

478 GOLDEN VISTA
479 GOLDEN DIVAN

Where the Rock Island had completed streamlining of the GOLDEN STATE the opposite was true for the Southern Pacific only the previously listed SP cars were streamlined in time for the GOLDEN STATE streamlined inaugural. The Southern Pacific assigned heavyweight cars for their part until late 1949 when the remaining lightweight streamlined cars for GOLDEN STATE service arrived for the Southern Pacific.
By September 1950 the five train sets operating in GOLDEN STATE service were as follows .

Initially the GOLDEN STATE consists of 1948 had a number of heavyweight cars and were not truly streamlined. In fact it would be 1950 before the GOLDEN STATE consists became fully streamlined. In fact until they were discontinued two of the five consists operated with heavyweight Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory cars. The red and silver paint scheme and faster schedule were indeed introduced January 4, 1948.


CONSIST ONE

6000A (SP) EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

6000B (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

6000C (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

832 (CRI&P) EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)

832B (CRI&P) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)

6014 (CRI&P) Heavyweight Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory Car

339 GOLDEN HARP (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach

340 GOLDEN FLUTE (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach

410 GOLDEN GOBLET (CRI&P) 32-Seat Coffee Shop 14-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

341 GOLDEN BELL (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

GOLDEN LOCKET (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

9157 GOLDEN VALLEY (SP) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – St. Louis via MP to and from Kansas City)

425 GOLDEN BANQUET (CRI&P) 36-Seat Dining Car

LA JOLLA (CRI&P) 12-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GOLDEN DESERT (CRI&P) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Phoenix-Chicago)

9111 GOLDEN RIVER (SP) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Tucson – Chicago)

9047 GOLDEN CREST (SP) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

487 GOLDEN VISTA (CRI&P) 2-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Barber Shop Buffet 9-Seat Lounge 13-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST TWO

6001A (SP) EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

6001B (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

6001C (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

833 (CRI&P) EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)

833B (CRI&P) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

3100 (SP) Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory Car

2399 GOLDEN NUGGET (SP) 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2377 GOLDEN ORE (SP) 44-Revenue Seat Coach

10402 GOLDEN TRENCHER (SP) 32-Seat Coffee Shop 14-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

2401 GOLDEN FLAKE (SP) 44-Revenue Seat Coach (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

GOLDEN CHARIOT (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

9160 GOLDEN CREEK 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – St. Louis via MP to and from Kansas City)

10206 GOLDEN CHALICE (SP) 36-seat Dining Car

2984 GOLDEN VIEW (SP) Stewardess Room Barber Shop Buffet 39-Seat Club Lounge Car

9402 GOLDEN ORANGE (SP) 12-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9110 GOLDEN MISSION (SP) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Phoenix – Chicago)

9115 GOLDEN STRAND (SP) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Tucson – Chicago)

9055 GOLDEN DAWN (SP) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Blunt End Car

CONSIST THREE

6002A (SP) EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

6002B (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

6002C (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

834 (CRI&P EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)

834B (CRI&P) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)

6015 (CRI&P) Heavyweight Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory Car

342 GOLDEN TRUMPET (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach

343 GOLDEN LUTE (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach

411 GOLDEN BOWL (CRI&P) 32-Seat Coffee Shop 14-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

344 GOLDEN CYMBAL (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

GOLDEN PLAZA (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

9158 GOLDEN SEA (SP) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – St. Louis via MP to and from Kansas City)

426 GOLDEN REPAST (CRI&P) 36-Seat Dining Car

LA PALMA (CRI&P) 12-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GOLDEN SUNSET (CRI&P) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Phoenix – Chicago)

9113 GOLDEN MOON (SP) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Tucson - Chicago)

9048 GOLDEN STAR (SP) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

479 GOLDEN DIVAN (CRI&P) 2-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Barber Shop Buffet 9-Seat Lounge 13-Seat Lounge Observation

CONSIST FOUR

6000A (SP) EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

6000B (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

6000C (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

832 (CRI&P) EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)

832B (CRI&P) EMD E7B 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)


3401 (SP) Baggage 27-Crew Dormitory Car

2400 GOLDEN BAR (SP) 44-Revenue Seat Coach

2378 GOLDEN SAND (SP) 44-Revenue Seat Coach

10403 GOLDEN LADLE (SP) 32-Seat Coffee Shop 14-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

348 VALLE VISTA (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

GOLDEN DOME (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

9161 GOLDEN CANYON (SP) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – St. Louis via MP to and from Kansas City)

10207 GOLDEN VIAND (SP) 36-Seat Dining Car

2985 GOLDEN OUTLOOK (SP) Stewardess Room Barber Shop Buffet 39-Seat Club Lounge Car

9403 GOLDEN POPPY (SP) 12-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

9117 GOLDEN TRAIL (SP) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Phoenix – Chicago)

9116 GOLDEN CAVERN (SP) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Tucson – Chicago)

9056 GOLDEN WAVE (SP) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car Blunt End

CONSIST FIVE

2001A (SP) EMD E7A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

2001B (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

2001C (SP) EMD E7B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Los Angeles – Tucumcari)

833 (CRI&P) EMD E7A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)

833B (CRI&P) EMD E7B 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit (Tucumcari – Chicago)

820 (CRI&P) Baggage 26-Crew Dormitory Car

345 GOLDEN CHIME (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach

346 GOLDEN LYRE (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach

412 EL CAFÉ (CRI&P) 32-Seat Coffee Shop 14-Seat Tavern Lounge Car

347 VALLE VERDE (CRI&P) 48-Revenue Seat Coach (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

GOLDEN BANNER (CRI&P) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – Minneapolis via TWIN STAR ROCKET to and from Kansas City)

9159 GOLDEN PLAIN (SP) 6-Section 6-Roomette 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Los Angeles – St. Louis via MP to and from Kansas City)

428 EL COMEDOR (CRI&P) 36-Seat Dining Car

LA QUINTA (CRI&P) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

GOLDEN HOUR (CRI&P) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Phoenix – Chicago)

9114 GOLDEN CRAG (SP) 4-Compartment 2-Drawing Room 4-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Tucson – Chicago)

9046 GOLDEN SUN (SP) 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

480 LA MIRADA (CRI&P) 2-Double Bedroom 1-Drawing Room Barber Shop Buffet 10-Seat Lounge 14-Seat Lounge Observation

With completion of CTC on the north line in Arizona that moved the GOLDEN STATES to the route through Deming and Lordsburg in both directions beginning December 20, 1961.

The GOLDEN STATES made their final runs February 21, 1968. By this time the trains were operating with a hamburger grill car and were reduced to a single sleeping car and a few coaches.

TTFN AL

[trolleyboy]

Hey take a page from Tom's book and voila another classic streamlinner post from Al Electric and Erie builts and all those other good things that could only mean the heavy mainline action of the Milwaukee Road. I would imagine that the classic tail end observation cars that the CNR purhased from Milwaukee Road would have perchance graced these trains ? Not to mention the Little Joe electrics. Good show all around Al [tup]

Rob

[passengerfan]

Good Afternoon Tom and the rest of the gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

PASSENGERFAN AL'S STREAMLINER CORNER #44

OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA CMSTP&P Trains 15-16 June 29, 1947 Chicago – Seattle/Tacoma daily each direction 2,189 miles 45 hours

The third new streamliner between Chicago and the Pacific Northwest to enter service in 1947 was the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA of the Milwaukee Road. The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was the only streamlined train between Chicago and Seattle – Tacoma to operate over its own rails for the entire distance. The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was the Milwaukee Roads first and only HIAWATHA to operate in overnight train service and was operated over the greatest distance of any HIAWATHA. The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA when inaugurated was operated with an A-B-A set of Fairbanks Morse Erie built diesels between Chicago and Seattle – Tacoma. Later this would change to Diesel-Electric-Steam-Electric in its cross- country run from the Midwest, brought about by the 1949 coal strike. The new Milwaukee Road OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA train sets were built in the roads own Milwaukee shops except for the lightweight streamlined sleeping cars and Skytop Sleeper Lounge Observations built by Pullman Standard. The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHAS were in service for over a year before Pullman Standard at last delivered the last two cars for each train set. The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA operated with heavyweight Sleeper and Sleeper Lounge Open Platform Observation until Pullman Standard delivered the new cars. The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was interesting for a postwar streamliner in that it carried newly constructed Touralux cars (Milwaukee Roads name for Tourist Sleeping Cars), and was the only railroad in North America to construct new streamlined cars of this type. This was at a time when most heavyweight tourist sleeping cars were being withdrawn from service on other roads. Years later the Northern Pacific introduced Northwest travelers to the Slumbercoach but this was far different than the Touralux cars and their Sections. The new OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was scheduled for 45 hours between Chicago and Seattle even though the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHAS final West Coast destination was Tacoma an hour south of Seattle. Tacoma was the city where the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was cleaned and serviced for its return east. Initially each of the six consists necessary for daily operation were twelve cars in length and by the time the last two streamlined cars for each train set arrived from Pullman Standard the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA trains had been reduced to ten cars. The Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office and the 32 revenue seat Coach 8 Section Touralux cars were no longer operating in the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHAS. The following are the six train sets as they entered service with out the A-B-A sets of ERIE built power listed and with the heavyweight sleeping cars and heavyweight Sleeper Lounge Open Platform Observations listed. One disadvantage the OLYMPIAN HIAWA-THA had when it entered service was lack of leg rest seats something all rivals to the Northwest would operate in their coaches long before the Milwaukee Road would acquire these type seats.

CONSIST ONE

5A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1209 Express 30’ Railway Post Office Car

1310 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

483 56-Revenue Seat Coach

484 56-Revenue Seat Coach

485 56-Revenue Seat Coach

163 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5771 CHIPPEWA FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper

5742 MT. McKINLEY 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5743 MT. BOSLEY 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

116 40-Seat Dining Car

WACOUTA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER PLUME Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST TWO

6A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

6B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10B FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1211 Express 30’Railway Post Office Car

1312 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

489 52-Revenue Seat Coach

490 52-Revenue Seat Coach

491 52-Revenue Seat Coach

165 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5773 CRYSTAL FALLS 32-Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper

5746 MT. ST. HELENS 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5747 MT. WILSON 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

118 40-Seat Dining Car

KITTSON Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CRYSTAL POINT Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST THREE

7A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

7B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1213 Express 30’Railway Post Office Car

1314 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

495 52-Revenue Seat Coach

496 52-Revenue Seat Coach

497 52-Revenue Seat Coach

167 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5775 CANNON FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper

5750 MT. HAROLD 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5751 MT. ANGELES 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

120 40-Seat Dining Car

LA CROSSE Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER CITY Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST FOUR

8A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

8B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11B FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1208 Express 30’ Railway Post Office Car

1309 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

480 52-Revenue Seat Coach

481 52-Revenue Seat Coach

482 52-Revenue Seat Coach

162 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5770 SIOUX FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper

5740 MT. SPOKANE 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5741 MT. WASHINGTON 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

115 40-Seat Dining Car

WYOCENA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CRYSTAL BAY Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST FIVE

9A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

12A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1210 Express 30’ Railway Post Office Car

1311 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

486 52-Revenue Seat Coach

487 52-Revenue Seat Coach

488 52-Revenue Seat Coach

164 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5772 GRANITE FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper

5744 MT. RAINIER 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5745 MT. RUSHMORE 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

117 40-Seat Dining Car

SPARTA Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER LEAF Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

CONSIST SIX

5A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

5B FM-GE Erie B 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

10A FM-GE Erie A 2,000 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

1212 Express 30’Railway Post Office Car

1313 Express 21-Crew Dormitory Car

492 52-Revenue Seat Coach

493 52-Revenue Seat Coach

494 52-Revenue Seat Coach

166 18-Seat Coffee Shop Bar 26-Seat Tip Top Tap Lounge Car

5774 METALINE FALLS 32-Revenue Seat Coach 8-Section Touralux Sleeper

5748 MT. HOPE 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

5749 MT. STUART 14-Section Touralux Sleeper

119 40-Seat Dining Car

KILBOURN Heavyweight 6-Section 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SILVER BEACH Heavyweight 3-Compartment 2-Drawing Room Bar 18-Seat Lounge Open Platform Observation

Between October 1948 and the end of January 1949 the heavyweight sleeping cars were replaced with streamlined lightweight 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping cars, and new streamlined lightweight 8-Double Bedroom 19-seat Skytop Lounge Observations as follows:

Consist one
2 LAKE COEUR D’ALENE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

18 SPANISH CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

Consist two

7 LAKE CHATCOLET 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

17 MARBLE CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

Consist three

4 LAKE PEPIN 10-roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

16 GOLD CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

Consist four

11 LAKE CRESCENT 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

15 COFFEE CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

Consist five

9 LAKE NASHOTAH 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

14 ARROW CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

Consist six

6 LAKE PEND OREILLE 10-Roomette 6-Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

12 ALDER CREEK 8-Double Bedroom 19-Seat Skytop Lounge Observation

In 1949 during the national coal strike the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA became the only streamlined train in the United States to operate behind Diesel, Electric, and Steam power on its trip between Chicago and Seattle-Tacoma. Due to a shortage of diesels the Milwaukee Road operated the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA behind FM-GE Erie diesels between Chicago and Harlowton, Montana. From there to Avery Idaho the power was Electric motors, and from Avery to Othello, Washington the power was either oil burning Northern or Hudson. And finally from Othello to Seattle/Tacoma the power was electric motors once again. When the strike ended the Milwaukee Road continued the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA behind Diesel and Electric power transferring diesels west to replace the steam between Avery and Othello, but the electrics remained for many more years.

In December 1952 just in time for the busy Christmas rush new Super Domes were introduced to the traveling public on the OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA. These cars seated 68 passengers on the dome level and a café and 28-seat Lounge were on the lower level of these magnificent cars.

The OLYMPIAN HIAWATHA was discontinued May 22, 1961 unable to compete with the likes of the GN EMPIRE BUILDER, WESTERN STAR, NP NORTH COAST LIMITED, MAINSTREETER, or the UP CITY OF PORTLAND.

TTFN AL

[trolleyboy]

Rats just missed CM3. Have a good weekend if you can as well sir.[tup]

Here's a small add in to my Classic steam series.

CLASSIC STEAM # 14 THE CANADA SOUTHERN ST CLAIR BRANCH


Until 1960 the onlooker would have seen plumes of smoke rising from the stacks of steam engines, or exhaust from diesels trailing strings of passenger cars and boxcars.This was the Candaa southern's St Clair Branch. Part of NYC's Canadian holdings.

It was one of the several southern Ontario branchlines that the founders thought would be a convienient shortcut accross ontario between American cities. In this CSR branches case Buffalo and Chicago. It was launched by Canadians William Thompson and Adam Crooke, albeit financed by the NYC.


While the mainline of the CSR ran arrow strait from Niagara Falls to Windsor, this St Clair branch veered northwestward from a junction just west of St Thomas ON to the St Clair River. Here, at a point on the railroad called Courtright ( named after chief financial contributor Milton Courtright ) the railroad hopped to establish a major rail terminus,with abridge to carry traffic accross the busy river to St Clair on the Michigan side.From there trains would continue on west to Chicago and points further west.


The American link failed however, and the Windsor route with it's tunnel ( GT ) under the Detroit River earned the bulk of the traffic. The grand scheme of a bridge over the river was reduced to barge service. It operated accross the river between Courtright and St Clair for a few years till it burned and sank. With it sank the last vestiges of the American link.

The CSR had pinned it's early hopes for revenue on the oil boom that had started in the early 1860's which put places like Oil Springs and Petrolia on the map. To provide easier access to these prospering places, a new line, The Chatham Sarnia & Erie ( CSE) , was created. Originating at a place called Shrewsbury on Lake Erie,it was intended to pass through Oil Springs, Petrolia and terminate at Sarnia; however, the project never went beyond short spurs from the St Clair Branch, south to Oil Springs and North to Petrolia.

Later , when the oil industry moved to Sarnia, the CSE was absorbed by the Canada Southern,which rerouted the unbuilt section to bypass the oil fields and follow instead the St Clair River into Sarnia. Finally in 1960, the whistles fell silent on the CSR's St Clair Branch and the track was lifted and the stations removed.

Enjoy Rob

Researched with the help of Ron Brown's Ghost Railway's of Ontario- good general reference books on the obscure and unusual rail lines. Two Books Volume 1 and 2 highly recomended reading for those wanting to learn of the Ghosts of railways past.

[trolleyboy]

Evening Tom and the gang, A keith's and a crown chaser O think,oh and a round of everyone else's favourite poison.

Tom Email's recieved and jointly responded to. You are right of coarse way to much infrastructure is now gone,and it will cost ten times as much to get back as well.[tdn] Cars certainly are the bane of our existance here in NA. A happy side note is that two of the BCER intururbans survived and along with a Vancouver birney car are running a small route in Downtown Vancouver in the historic district. A tourist line but one that does serve the cities transit needs as well. Vancouver also has the largest and most complete electric trolley bus system still running in NA as well as the two skytrain LRV lines. At least their local pollitions didn't completely drop the ball.

Agree with you on the NHL front as well. Prices went up, qualities gone down < double barf > I won't spend money on it. Just as easy to watch on the tube.

Nice UP ad BTW as well. Kinda say's it all about the UP. < Dude ranches and Hawaii> all on the same page, interesting.


Lars & Tom Wonderfull map. Always nice to see the "what " we are talking about. Tom The url's nice and helpfull as well.[tup]

P Okay we need the rest of the story tonight, I can't stand the strain captain. LOL. Thanks for the info on your modern controllers as well. Sometimes I ahve to think that things ( equipmentwise ) have maybe gotten too complex. One electrical short and one could find them up that particular creek with 10,000 feet of train behind you.


I'll check back in again later tonight likely.

Rob

[coalminer3]

Good Afternoon Barkeep and All, coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Let's play that all time classic (one of Boris's favorites) Mama Get the Hammer (There's a Fly on Papa's Head).

I'm on my way out the door, but will post more on Monday.

HAve a good weekend and may the Steelers prevail.

work safe

[red p]

Hello Tom, Ill have a jack and coke please................and hi to the rest of you guys as well

Cm3 dont take this personal,but Ive been a steelers fan since the mid 70s.[B)]
Heard we got a couble more miners trapped, hope we can get them out this time and put an end to this business.[V]

Trollyboy thanks for the info in the interurban controllers. the equipment we use today is all pretty much the same,standard 26l brake valve. Although now we have what is known as the epic brake valve,(works basically the same,just electronic)

Nick im glad you like the story.[;)] Now here is some more of it

Around the bend and under the New York Ave. overpass the Federal swayed, cresting the rise and beginning the downgrade to the station.Brower was certain now that his train was out of control. He called to fireman John Moyer had already noticed the excessive speed. When he saw Brower sweating with the controls and heard him call,Moyer threw the emergency valve on his side of the cab. No exhaust,no brakes!

Meanwhile the 66- year old veteran engineer stuck by his throttle. He had no idea what was wrong, except that his brakes wernt holding. He gritted his teeth and hoped for a miracle. As his engine lurched past C tower, Brower again yanked at the whistle cord. Raucous blasts, one after another in quick succession, shattered the morning air. To those who saw the heavy train racing into the complicated pattern of track it added up to the one word that railroaders dread most: runaway!

Brower describes the next few seconds " When I came under New York Ave. I started to blow the horn on the engine to notify people that we couldnt hold the train, to scare them away from the platform,.... I was just hoping something would stop her. "

Back in the train, Conductor Thomas Murphey heard the warning whistle about the same time that he realized the train was rolloing altogather too fast. Murphey was in the ill fated thrid car. As luck would have it he hastened up to the front vestibule and opened the conductors back-up valve. Had he gone to the forth car or been in the forth car or beyond and opened the valve, the train might have been slowed or perhaps even stopped when he let out the air from the line holding the brakes released in the last 13 cars.

as it was, Murphey unfortunatey got no brake action at all. " There was no air in the line, " he said. " I warned the passengers in this (third) coach to lie on the floor or hold their seats, that the train was out of control. That was the best I could do. "

Brakeman Fred King in the forth car, was about to lock the toilet when a sudden swerve of the train threw him off his feet. " When I got myself straightened out... I headed right back to the rear platform. I glanced outside and realized that we had no brakes and were not stopping. I made an attemp for that (emergency brake ) valve on the platform. By that time we were coming into the interlocking right there at C tower. It threw me around and I do not know whether I really did get the valve on ... I could not stay on my feet, to be frank about it."

It is apparent that King did not succeed in opening the valve. Asked later if he heard the warning blasts from the engine, he was not sure.

Far back at the rear of the train Flagman John Meng heard no whistle , but knew something was wrong when the brakes did not begin to grind. at the time he was in the center of the rear car,a sleeper. Because passengers were in the aisle preparing to leave the train, he was unable to reach the emergency valve at either end before the crash came. As the train whipped through the crossover " the car swayed violently...causing me to lose my balance " he said.

P

[siberianmo]

G'day Gents!

A couple of "things" to report:

First - the RR Book Relay! will kick off on Monday with a mailing to Nick![tup][tup]

Second - we are 'close' to finding a part-time daytime bartender to fill in when I'm not around.

I see we've had some Posts - so let's get to the acknowledgments, before they begin to stack up:

trolleyboy Rob Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 10:58:32 and 11:46:33

Nice work with your Classic Juice! Whenever I read something like these historical narratives, I come away with the same feeling: that was then, and this is now. Meaning, different times, indeed. The linking of the "core" cities with the newly created "suburbs" was much like drawing a circle, then a circle around that, and another, and another, etc. The smallest circle represents where the business are - the next the industry, the next where the workers live, the next where the managers live, the next where the gentry live and so on. Linking all of this were tracks and roads of course. The tracks were for commuter trains and trolleys. The communities of today, largely sprung up because of that linkage. Again, that was then, and this is now. We aren't going to see those days again. It boggles the mind to think of all that infrastructure, pretty much gone. The automobile has surely changed the lives of "modern man."

My guess is that Raymond Burr would have had a far better time of it navigating the passageways of the Budd stainless steel cars than those of VIA Rail's "Renaissance." Those "Chunnel Chuggers" are narrower than their North American "cousins." Poor old Raymond would have gotten stuck, fer sure, fer sure![swg]

Watch for the Double feature on Sunday![tup]

The Blues are suffering a "PP" season because of several factors, the most significant has to do with the "cap" agreed to that ended the year long absence of NHL hockey. They no longer have Chris Pronger along with several others who formed the nucleus for the team that has more consecutive years in the playoffs than any other. That all ends this season, sad to say. So the lockout, the rules changes, the cap - all of that factors in. I think the boys of winter cut their own throats with those demands - what did it get them[?] And the owners still must think we fans are absolutely stupid. Not the two in this household - we don't go, it's as simple as that.

You should have at least two Emails from me ....

LoveDomes Lars Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 11:57:35

Yes, the map does bring a bit of nostalgia to mind. Too bad it doesn't "enlarge," although one can view it better at: http://rapidtransit.net/net/thirdrail/0201/sirt7.html

You got "off the hook" with that one, eh[?] So, we await, Part III.[tup]

Later!


Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[siberianmo]

G’day All!

PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #61

Here’s something to enjoy regarding the Union Pacific (UP) in a 1933 advertisement from my private collection:

The trail to “Wonderland”

Union Pacific serves 15 of our National parks and more of the famous scenic wonderlands of the West than does any other railroad. Plan now to see the west this summer. We suggest:

Zion-Bryce Canyon
. . .Yellowstone-Grand Teton
. . . . . .Rock Mountain-National Parks
. . . . . . . . . Colorado
California and Hawaii
. . . Pacific Northwest and Alaska
. . . . . .Western Dude Ranches
. . . . . . . . .Hoover Dam

All costs are down. Rail fares are the lowest ever offered. Sightseeing rates, hotels, meals – in fact, all expenses are reduced.

UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .OVERLAND . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .


Enjoy!

Tom [4:-)][oX)]

[LoveDomes]

Greetings Tom and guys at the bar!

I offer a 2nd installment on the Staten Island Rapid Transit (S.I.R.T) from several sources, primarily the works of Irvin Leigh & Paul Matus. Here then is Part II:


The map of the S.I.R.T. (1953)



Until the next time!

Lars

[trolleyboy]

Well some meat to go along with our potatoes today. I'm not sure where to classify this so I will put it into the stable with the Classic Juice series.

CLASSIC JUICE # 19 BC HYDRO RAIL & POWER AUTHORITY


This company is owned by the Province of British Columbia. The BCHPA supplies electric power and gas to much of BC and Victoria. The rail service was reorganized from the BC Electric rail Company LTD ( BCER ), an electric interurban and street railway system that began operations in Vancouver and it's surrounding areas in 1897,when it took over public transit in Vancouver,Victoria,North Vancouver,and New Westminster-the principle cities in the province.Along tthe Fraser valley, BCER provided a vital link between towns isolated from one another by distancce and absence of good roads.

The BCER's electric rail cars brought dairy and other produce to market reguardless of weather,supplied farmers with feed,machinery and supplies,carried logs to the mills in return for lumber and shingles and supplied convienient transportation for the settlers and their families.

A major setback for the BCER came in 1913 through competition from jitneys ( small busses and motor cars ) which were independantly owned. These offered extremely flexible schedules and routing, and were often enclosed against weather,wheras the BCER's city streetcars were not. Dr Adam Shortt, who investigated jitney competition in 1917, noted that many people rode them for plasure and social contacts. He pronounced them "an irresponsible service, with no permanent commitment to meet public transit needs " In 1918 the Vancouver city council declared them illegal,ending the competition that had crippled regular transit service.

Though sturdy and dependable, the rail cars fell victim to progress. Vancouvers first motorbus line went into operation in 1923 and from that time, the electric railcars were replaced gradually by motor and trolley bus lines. BCER's freight service inherited much of the original ROW and most is still in use today.

In 1935 a freak snowstorm dropped between 19.7 and 25.6 inches of snow on the area cutting overhead and telegraph wires.The intercontinental trains were stopped in the mountain passes and the services were not fully restored for svereal weeks.

After WW2, the 12MPH speed limit for BCER vehicles was increased to 18MPH, and 15MPH in school zones. In the early 50's, BCER carried out a rails to rubber program. City streetcars were replaced by trolley coaches and busses, and the interurban cars were replaced by the busses of Pacific Stage Lines now Pacific Coach lines.

Prior to 1950, the greater part of eastbound freight was from the forest industries. Then as additional industries were established on the lower mainland the railfreight business beacame more diversified. The steeple cabs were replaced by heavier diesels and the light 85 and 70 pound rail was replaced by heavier 115 pound rail

The rail service, now concentrated on frieght handling was aquired by the BC Hydro Rail and Power co ( BCHPA ) when it was formed in 1962 from the amalgamationof BC Hydro and the BCER. In 1965, BC hydro completed a new 21 acre marshalling yard in Burnaby ( outside Vancouver ) it ws large enough to store 450 cars. In 1967 a new repair and service centre was completed at the same location.

Significant changes came with the introduction of computers in 1979 controlling car control and signalling. This has continuously improved customer relations with the rail carrier.

In 1980, the provincial gov. reorganized the passenger transportation system, and the service is now a responsibility of BC Transit ( Van City )This still operates the electric trolley busses and reg busses in Vancouver and suburbs and the new sky train electric light rail. The BCHPA, as of 1984 operates a diesel powered freight service between Vancouver and Chilliwak carrying automobiles,food and forest products. Still a small railway-104 miles of track 20 locomotives and 264 cars.


Enjoy Rob

[trolleyboy]

Morning Tom, I think I'll share that pot of tea with Sir Ted this morning and perhaps a short stack as well. So long as Boris did not get his mitts hooves into it.[:(!][xx(]

Tom I have not seen the disater on the coastliner,just wondering is the disater related to raymond Burr not fitting through the end doors of the train cars themselves[?][oops][;)] that was awfully [#offtopic] of me sorry[8]

I see your blues managed to not win again,I suspect that they not unlike my team ( Toronto ) are not built for the new rules and regs of the league[tdn]Money does not a championship buy IMHO.


Ted You sir will be missed around here. I do hope the absence makes your heart grow fonder and allow you to come by more often than you are initially contemplating. We shall do our best to soldier on without your guiding hand and hummour. I'm ordering extra tranquilizers for Boris, he may just be inconsollable.[:0][:(] Perhaps some new friends for him are needed to provide distraction. < we could make him manager > no that wouldn't work out to well. Awk on the other hand. What do you think Tom[?]

The mystery of the various controllers and brakes are much more complex than the brief list i posted last evening. Some of the cars when rebuilt over the years became hybrides. For example TCR 55 has the same brake and controller set up as open car 327 a K-10 andhabd brakes only. It's sisters W28,and RT7 were rebuilt as grinders. W28 was a surface grinder so it retained the K-10 controller but had Witt style laping air brakes installed. Sister RT7 was rebuilt as a subway grinder so also got the air brakes but had additional subway signal triping and third raail pick up added. tangled web indeed.

CM3 I await good news hopefully this time out of WVA. I'm with Tom though too many disasters too close together,perhaps more safety regs need to be made or at least revisited. Bottom line is the safe return of the men though first and fore most.

Lars I'm happily reading along with your and Toms disertations on the SIRT. As you said the url's supplied by Tom were quite informative. I await your next part(s) of the essay. I see that I'm not the only one that neglects certain bits of hearth and home and needs to take a somewhat enforced brake from the dowwntime as well. Oh well let me catch your next round for you.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Good Morning (again)!

This Post is directed more toward what Theordorebear Ted had to say, and the reason why I didn't include it in my acknowledgments.

"Our" Place is in need of a Manager! The position is part-time, and requires a bit of extra-duty for special events,Birthday Bashes, etc., and making an appearance for our Thursday thru Saturday calendar events. The pay is whatever you think is "right," which can be drawn from the tub, upstairs in my private quarters. Additionally, the Manager oversees the activities of the staff and characters of "Our" Place - with the exception of Cindy, she's mine, mine, mine - mine I tell ya! - ooooops.<grin>

Until such time as we can locate a replacement for Ted, my hope is that either Rob or Nick will step up to the plate to assume these additional duties.

Of course, this annoucement by Ted also changes the makeup of our IC. Sorry to see you leave us as a "staff" member, and hope you'll be back at least on a weekly basis.

Good luck with your new involvements![tup]

Tom[4:-)][oX)]

[siberianmo]

Good Mornin’!

We had a bunch of Posts yesterday, which made for lots of things to read here at the “Feast or Famine Bar ‘n Grill.” A “notable” or two was absent, but then a couple of others picked up the slack. Good show![tup]

Sent out a “bunch” of Emails yesterday, which of course means, replies will be coming in! Will I EVER get away from this computer[?]<grin> Nope!

Speaking of Email I urge those of you who do not have a virus protection package (software) to get one. So many Email attachments are circulating these days (daze) that one really never knows how or where or when a virus may be picked up. This stuff is insidious and the people causing it simply view it as a “game.” To them it is nothing more than a challenge to find a way to defeat an operating system, a virus protection package, etc. Having the anti-virus software only works if the “checks and scans” are being employed. So ensure they are![tup]


I see Lars has made a daylight morning visit, so an acknowledgment is in order!

LoveDomes Lars
Posted: 20 Jan 2006, 07:28:36

Good to see you and no worse for wear now that the wife got you movin’, eh[?][swg] “They” can be “like that,” if you know what I mean.<grin>

Most everyone I speak with, no matter where they reside, mention the odd weather they are experiencing. Have a good friend up in northern Cape Breton Island (Nova Scotia) who says that the flowers are poking their “heads” up through the ground. Much more rain and warm temps than this guy can ever recall. Seems like this old world of ours is undergoing “that word again” – CHANGE. Just another one of those things we really cannot control, so why fret over it, eh[?] But, for some reason, we do!<grin>

You have been providing some fantastic pix over on my other thread and I hope you will be able to repost them over here for our Sunday Photo Posting Day! Would be a shame for them to languish in the “void” of that thread. Don’t get me wrong, you and Al are doing a very supportive thing for me, and I appreciate it very much. But when it comes to interaction – this is the place for that![tup][tup]

Too early in the AM for me to get my knickers in a knot over the somewhat ignorant behavior of one or two. Just isn’t worth the time, or powder it would take to blow these guys to Kingdom Come![swg] Actually, I get much more ticked off when guys come in, fail to order, fail to recognize and fail to greet. That is just plain rude. Okay – ‘nuf of that! My knickers ARE beginning to bind!<grin>


Was just about to check out, when who should appear[?]

coalminer3
Posted: Today, 08:33:32

G’day, Mate! Good to see ya, as always. Hockey, [yeah] I was THERE for the two Cups won by the Bahston Bruins in the days of Esposito, Orr, Hodge, Cashman, The Chief, et al What a team – what an absolutely fantastic team. Have to admit though, the Canadians really had their number for many a game. No matching hat or bag ‘round here, but lots of memories and a couple of beer mugs with the logo emblazoned on ‘em. What a team![swg]

Coalmining disaster again! I’ll tell ya this, it’s time to shut ‘em down and get going on a review of all the safety procedures and precautions throughout the industry. Sure, some may think I’m out of my skull, but I know that kind of action works in the military, so why not in industry[?] Talk is cheap, action is needed and needed now. Lord, watch over those most unfortunate guys.

We need to get Pete ‘n Nick to collaborate on a Rendezvous in Merry Olde – now that would be something else, eh[?] Those two lines are long gone that were in my NOSTALGIA piece of yesterday, as I understand it, but there still are some fine runs still operating. Fun times on the rails![yeah]

NFL football this Sunday may just be a bit of a surprise. Not so much in outcome, but in intensity. I think those AFC games were the best of the bunch this past weekend. There are some things that all should know about me – never, but never, follow me into a line at a supermarket, bank, or check-out in a retail store. Invariably it will be the one with the longest wait.<grin> Same goes for sports predictions![swg] Who I favor, is hardly the ones who win. So, I figure Pittsburgh and the Seahawks should make it to the big one, with the Steelers coming out on top. Again, don’t place a bet on it because of moi![swg]

Thanx for your contributions to Coal Scuttle and the round for the boyz![tup]

Oh yes, caught your late night Post, Sir Rob but it appeared you must have been rather tired [zzz], no comments for moi. But hey, your presence is always appreciated and so are your comments![tup] Yes, Leon seems to have gotten “into” this “thing” of his with the clothes. A bit eccentric, you say[?] Considering the clientele ‘round here – he’s doin’ just fine![swg]


Later!

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]


Stick around a few minutes AFTER POSTING - The information you MISS may be for YOU!

Those who acknowledge the other guy, get acknowledged!

[Anonymous]

Yesterday is still a blur with all the interruptions and there doesn't appear to be a "light at the end of the tunnel." Tom, I'll take the pot of tea off the burner. I think it has steeped long enough by now.[^] There have been a number of fine posts and I earnestly wi***o "interact" with those who took the time and effort to share them. Unfortunately for me, my time is not my own. For a number of years I've been involved with a political organization, "Town Hall." My role has been more passive than active really but that is about to change drastically. Seems the "powers that be" (Town Hall) have recruited me for actively taking part in writing (Blog) stylized commentaries in support of several candidates running for office. The 2006 elections are just around the corner, so there is an air of urgency toward these efforts. Dog on it, what I'm trying to say is that my presence hereabouts will be a shadow of former postings. Tom, perhaps my duties should be assumed by someone with more free time to "keep the home fires burning." Naturally, I'll log in at every opportunity, just not as frequently as a self respecting manager should.[V] Anywho, please think on it a bit, okay?[tup]

Hey, I surely enjoyed the reports of effeciency for the various model locomotives et al.[tup] Nearly everything I own is "open frame" vintage Pittman motors and a couple of Japanese "can" types. Yes, they are Dinosaurs indeed, sort' like the Owner.[:I] P nice going on the ill fated Pensy GG-1 saga.[tup] Al, Tom, Rob, sorry I'm not much of a NHL fan even though the Lightning" did hold a prominent place heretofore. As they say: "That's all history now."[:O] Nick old [C=:-)], a superb offering on Wednesday's Fish and Chips night![tup] The menu has been duly archived in the wine cellar files. Al, "brain washing" hardly seems an appropriate term for encouraging the grand kids to enjoy and learn about a period in history that practically shaped today's modern world. For sure, kids are not taught the vital importance of history in their studies these days. Rob, thanks for clearing up the details of modern vs. vinatage control and brake systems on the varius traction eras.[tup] Hey, Barndad Doug have you dusted off the Lionel "Tin Plate" O-27 yet? A dollar to a donut, if you do it will be a classic case of "Gotcha."[swg] Yes Tom I want to see that TV Flick, "Disaster on the Coast Liner, maybe I'll see ya there? I'm still "plugging away" on the garage HO Pike but its been a "slow go." More Pix will be forthcoming a.s.a.p., thanks again.[:D] Okay Boris, I thought it was too good to be true. Let's face it, there is [alien] ways and humanoid ways...never the t'win shall meet.[tdn] Happy rails to all.

[coalminer3]

Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please, round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

I am enjoying the "Federal Express" story and will withhold comment until the "rest of the story" plays out.

Also, thanks so much for the information re the dome car model on the D&RGW - glad to see something still works in the memory bank. I don't recall seeing it at the CRM in Golden - when did it wind up there?

Steelers fans are quite vocal around here as are followers of the Redskins. I am a Giants backer as most of you know, but will pull for the Steelers and for whoever is playing the Redskins. Quick Boris, pass the shield!

LNER - when do we leave?

Our steamed proprietor wants to discuss hockey? I have a matching bag to go with my Bruins hat.

I really don't have much else to say this a.m. given what's going on with the mine fire in Logan County, so I'll get out of the way for now.

work safe

[LoveDomes]

Good Morning Tom and all at the bar!

I’ll have one of your <traditional> breakfasts, #3 from the menu board, an extra order of bacon, a large OJ, extra large mug of java and three crullers from The Mentor Village Bakery Pastry Case!

So, what’s up[?] In browsing through the past page or two of posts, I see the “beat goes on,” as Tom likes to put it. Some stories being told, and told quite well as I see it.[tup]

I missed yesterday for an assortment of reasons, but mainly because a few things around here overloaded my discretionary time. Translation: my wife got on my case to get those things done![swg] Sorry I missed your Nicks Picks, what a great selection! I’ll be sure to stop in for some of that pizza & beer tonight – NY style of course[?][swg]

Tom, good work on your NOSTALGIA submissions. I know what it takes to compile these things, especially with the somewhat cumbersome formatting hurdles. Your efforts may be taken for granted, or totally ignored by some, but I assure you, they are packed with very interesting material. I suspect that pwolfe Pete will particularly like yesterday’s installment.[tup][tup] Also been noticing the activity over on your other site. passengerfan Al has answered your call quite well, buy him a drink on me next time he stops by.[tup]

A comment: Your Summaries are most helpful and as I see it, the best way to keep up with what’s happened and what’s happening at the bar. Also like those “reminders” at the end of some of your Posts. However, the one’s needing the reminders are obviously not taking heed. I join those of you who have taken a firm stance with this kind of thing. To acknowledge one or two, but not all, is just plain ignorant and those guys won’t be hearing from yours truly. End of comment.

Those URL’s you provided, Tom, are precisely on the mark and as a matter of fact, pretty much what I’ve been referring to in my S.I.R.T. ramblings. I do have the book you referred to, got it as a gift many years ago. As I mentioned, there is a history of railroading in my family, stretching back to early B&O years with my grandfather and his father. Thanks for blowing the rest of my story![swg]

We’ve had a mixed bag, weather wise, in these parts. As with where you are, the season is quite different and somewhat severe. Still cleaning up some water damage in the basement, nothing too serious, more of an annoyance if you know what I mean. I have the important stuff stored well up off of the floor. We don’t get too many torrential rains and the like, but when they come, Katy bar the door!

I’ll be offline for a bit, compiling part two of my S.I.R.T. essay.

Until later, OJ on me![swg]

Lars

[siberianmo]

FRIDAY’s INFO & SUMMARY of POSTS

We open at 6 AM, all time zones! (Don’t ask how we do that!)[swg]


Last day of the work week for many! Time to pour a hot cup of freshly brewed coffee and try our <light> and <traditional> breakfasts. Don’t forget the freshly baked pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery!


Daily Wisdom

I’m so hungry right now I can’t even look at food. (Yogi-ism)


Info for the Day:

* Weekly Calendar:

Today is Pizza Nite! & Steak ‘n Fries Nite! and perhaps, Nick’s Picks!

Saturday Steak ‘n Trimmin’s Nite!


SUMMARY

Name …..…………… Date/Time …..…..………. (Page#) .. Remarks

(1) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 05:27:05 (224) Thursday’s Info & Summary

(2) coalminer3 CM3 Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 08:17:05 (224) AM wake us up!

(3) passengerfan Al Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 08:58:15 (224) An answer & a suggestion!

(4) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 09:00:00 (224) Acknowledgments, etc.

(5) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 09:11:33 (224) reply to passengerfan

(6) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 09:31:15 (224) The Federal Express, Part I

(7) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jan2006, 10:50:20 (224) Inclusive Post, etc.

(8) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 11:27:25 (224) Classic Juice #18)

(9) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 14:39:50 (224) Acknowledgments, etc.

(10) Trainnut484 Russell Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 14:59:59 (224) Inclusive Post, etc.

(11) BlueAngel17 (none) Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:08:12 (224) Misdirected Post

(12) BlueAngel17 (none) Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:10:21 (224) Misdirected Post

(13) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:44:14 (224) reply to BlueAngel17

(14) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 15:52:11 (224) The Federal Express, Part II

(15) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 16:12:39 (225) NOSTALGIA #60 – Great Britain: LMS & LNER (1933)

(16) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 19:17:37 (225) Acknowledgments, etc.

(17) passengerfan Al Posted: 19 Jan 2006 19:19:02 (225) Chat

(18) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 19:33:03 (225) reply to passengerfan

(19) passengerfan Al Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 19:54:10 (225) more chat

(20) ftwNSengineer P Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 20:10:13 (225) Federal Express, Part III

(21) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 20:16:59 (225) Nick’s Picks!

(22) nickinwestwales Nick Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 20:20:17 (225) etc.

(23) siberianmo Tom Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 21:30:36 (225) Acknowledgments

(24) trolleyboy Rob Posted: 19 Jan 2006, 23:11:59 (225) Late night Post, etc.


NOW SHOWING at The Mentor Village Emporium Theatre: [red]Is anyone interested[?]

. . . January 16th thru 21st: Disaster on the Coastliner (1979-TV) starring Lloyd Bridges, Raymond Burr & Robert Fuller.


That’s it! [tup][;)]

Tom [4:-)] [oX)]
Proprietor of “Our” Place, an adult eating & drinking establishment!

[trolleyboy]

Good evening Leon. Glad that you kept the cod plate warm for me. Thanks sir Nick for doing some cod this eveing. I'll have a guines with that as well. <sheesh> interesting new uniform Leon's wearing tonight.

Russ Hey good to see you again,you sound much more healthy than the last time you were in. I haven't gone the BB route in along time,generally and Atlas a Protoman now myself. Hope that you can make it back for this Sunday's photofest last weeks went quite well I thought.

P Nice he's doing the old cliff hanger thing to us. Oh well it's good reading so far. Amd it's got juice to boot [tup] We have separate qualifications for each vehicle type mostly due to the fact that we have such a wide range of controllers and brake types. Our open car 327 has an old K10 controller with no deadman and manual hand brakes only. The PCC's are all electric with a foot pedal deadman,PCC 4000 is an air electric with the footdeadman but air brakes instead of electric. The Witt's have the more modern K27 controllers with a handle deadman and self laping air brakes. The interurbans have full trainbrakes as they are MU'able and newer still K37 controllers with out deadmans and on and on. So you can see why our licences are broken down by #1 rules and #2 car and brake types.

Al Hope the hockey game was enjoyable. You still can't but Maple Leaf tickets they still sell out every game. When I need a Hockey fix we go into Hamilton and buy tickets at Copps Colliseum for the Hamilton Bull Dogs ( AHL Affiliate of Montreal ) If it goes really well we get tickets when the Marlies are in town ( Maple leaf AHL affiliate )

Well that's me for tonight fellas. catch you all tomorrow.

Rob

[siberianmo]

Well Gents, it's getting close to my time to check out. Some comments:

Al Stockton Thunder! Good name. So, what's the league[?] You passed the test - well almost. [swg]

P Sure - go fer it!

Nick I'm sad and glad. Sad that not one person seems to give a "Rat's Patoot" about our Thursday Fish 'n Chips Nite! and glad that you come up with such fine selections for your Nick's Picks! Thanx, Mate![tup] By the by, an Email awaits your reading.

Leon the Night Man has arrived. Tonight he's got his spiffy well shined jump boots, a red cummerbund, bib overalls, and an ascot! What a clothes horse this guy is.
Set 'em up - drinks on me (don't know why, since no one seems to be buying a thing!! Should have Tweeeeted the lot of 'em!) Boris Ring the bell!

Later![zzz]

Tom[4:-)] [oX)]

[nickinwestwales]

Red P-you cant leave us hanging like that--whats the rest of the story..?

[nickinwestwales]

Well happy fish day boys +girls,fine stuff from everybody so far-excuse me if i`m a little vague tonight,just back from band practice and the hot hit was an update of the old Skip James number "I`m so glad" which still has me tapping fingers and toes on any available flat surface( anybody familiar with the song,especially the Cream version will understand )....bada bada bada crash............
right,enough of this foolishness....
O.K-Boris-go and change that apron-you look like everybodys idea of the barber of seville after a bad day in the shop-go on you strange little creature,get it sorted.

Where was I - O.K.then,-starters-in the soup kettle we have traditional Newfoundland Clam Chowder..
Also-Tiger prawns soused in lime & sweet chilli butter
- Smoked mackeral pate with gooseberry sauce & wholemeal toast
-Whitstable Oysters on the half-shell with lemon juice & brandy

for a more sustantial bite we have:

Lemon Sole,floured and paneed
whole trout,stuffed with mushrooms & green chillii`s
middle-cut wing of skate with black-butter sauce
shark steak in mustard sauce
north sea Cod in beer batter

as a special,by popular demand, we also have
Halibut,prepared to order,as you like it
Haddock in breadcrumbs with mushy peas ( a strange English favourite )

also,a traditional range of strange English fried food items-please ask at the counter for details......
Right,thats me for tonight-hopefully I will be busy in the galley--will get back to you all on specifics as soon as poss. take care one and all,love ,nick [C=:-)]

[red p]

Al Shame on you for brain washing that kid, well thats what my wife would say anyway. I bet I could come up with a story for him too.[:D]

Tom You want to hear the story or not [?]

Trollyboy We have to get recertified every year. Its called the book of rules. Its coming up pretty quick too,usually in Feb.
We dont have to get qualified on each piece of equipment, but we do have a district qualification. [censored]

So anyway where were we ,........oh yes

Rowlands motor was uncoupled and run into a siding; PRR ,GG1 electric # 4876 was backed on. Harry Brower, the engineer did not see Rowland nor was he told Why the train was late. However he did make the usual terminal check of the brakes and found them to be fine.

Between New York and Baltimore, with stops at Philadephia and Wilmington, Brower applied the brakes 14 times. He had no trouble.At Baltimore the Federal had gained another 3 minutes. once clear of yard limit, Brower gave the big electric the gun. He barreled along at the usual 80 mile an hour clip. With clear signals all the way, brower had no occasion to use the brakes.

Not until he saw ahead of him signal 1339, a little more than two miles out of Washington station, did brower make the first brake application. At this time his estimated speed was 60 to 70 miles an hour. As the engine flashed pastthe signal the cab signal changed to"approach" and the signal whistle sounded until Brower acknowledged it with a movement of a lever. Brower moved the controller from the tenth notch to the fifth, and made a split-pipe reduction of 17 pounds in the brake pipe. He did not notice that the exhaust from the brake valve was unusually short. The train slowed a little on the slight upgrade but not enough for a safe approach to the interlocking just ahead.

"I looked out and thought, this isnt holding at all" Brower recalls

By now the train was half mile beyond the signal.Brower quickly threw the controller off, opened the sander valve, and set the automatic brake valve in emergency. This should have jammed all brakes and brought the Federal to a jarring halt. But the exhaust from the brake valve was only a short sigh. Emergency had little or no effect. The Federal Express was without brakes!

P

[passengerfan]

Tom Just a quick reply they are the Stockton Thunder and are playing in our brand new Arena that just opened. They had Neil Diamond as the opening ahow on Sunday at the new Arena and we lost $400,000.00 dollars. Apparently he cost the city 1 million and they only sold $600,000 in tickets. Anyway they fired the City Manager on Tuesday. He was the one who did so much to revitalize a dead downtown and maybe it was arrogance or whatever but personally I think he did a great job over the last five years.
Now we will have to find a new City Manager a new Police Chief and a new Fire Chief as the other two had already announced their retirements. The vote to fire the City Manager was six to one, only my City Councilman wasn't part of the Lynch mob and he terms out next year.

TTFN Al