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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, June 3, 2006 10:17 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another classic juice encore this one to go along with Westcoast Dave's fine PE encore from earlier today. Had one heck o a day at work today, apparently the thunderstrom we had last night scored a direct hit on the store's satalite dish. Fried all the computers in the store, and severed our connection to the Home Office( not that that ws such a bad thing[;)][:D] ).And on the start day of a huge sale[:0][B)] [xx(][xx(]. Oh well we weathered the storm and survived to fight another day.It's amazing how computer dependant we can be in these here modern days ( daze )

Rob



CLASSIC JUICE # 27 WP's ELECTRIC LINES

Well good day again gents another round of Blue I think Tom please. I haven't much info on the WP, however after such info packed pieces as dave and yourself put forth I'll just add this little bit on WP's electric lines. I know that these are in no way complete. Perhaps our local West Coast connections can fill in the more interesting meat that i leave out as I know there will be much.

in the days of steam most Railroads viewed the electric interurbans as interlopers that competed for customner traffic and were to be beaten down at all costs. the WP thought differently and purchased two local lines and continued to operate them as electric lines years after many such railways had faded into history. Indeed the Sacarmento Northern and the Tidewater Southern fed needed traffic to their WP parent, and were a help as opposed to a hinderence.

When the Wp's last steam power was being phased out the SN steeple cabs still fed freight to it's parent from the electric lines industrial spurs.

Built primarily as a passenger line the SN ran interurban cars for three decades between the communities of its region. Indeed in 1941 when the SN ran it's last interurban passenger cars it bosted then the longest interurban run in the country an approx 200 mile round trip. Boarding one of the SN's cars at the Trans Bay Terminal in San Francisco, a passenger would cross the Bay Bridge into Oakland and then out into the dry Oakland Hills Region and down into the San Ramon valley. At Pittsburg Ca,the car ferry Ramon carried the cars across the Sacramento River. Beyond there the interurban cars sped across the delta lands on trestles and levees toward it's namesake city of Sacramento then continued north through the Sacremento valley to it's termi nus in Chico. The SN began scrapping it's steeple cabs in the mid 50's and aquired it's own roster of diesel locomotive replacements, painted in WP company colours but still lettered for the SN. Gradulaly several segments of trackage were retired and the SN became a collection of spurs reached via trackage rights over other railways. The section between Marysville and Yuba City remained electrified until 1965.

The other WP electric line was the Tidewater Southern. it evolved into the diesel world more completly than it's sister the SN and remained intact.WP bought the 46 mile line in 1917 gaining it's conection at Stockton via Modesto and Turlock. This small lines days of electrification fell victim to the depression in 1932 when the passenger service and electric service ended. The WP kept the line open for it's wine and fruit trade however, revenue the line still subsides on today.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, June 3, 2006 10:38 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Another Classic encore from the "Nick files." This one hailing from page 5 ! April of 2005 ! Even in it's embryonic stages Our Place was a solid performer of wonderfull info from far and wide !
More proof of why I keep comming back day in and day out [tup]

Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by nickinwestwales

Hey,Tom-another of those cold Molsons please and as it`s payday a round for the house,as and when they straggle in!! Well it`s a day off for me(the best sort-everyone else is working) and blowing a gale out there so time to sit a while. So,Ontario Northland,classic or not?...discuss....[takes me back to schooldays] Well ,first a disclaimer,I`ve never travelled on any of these lines,so all this is "received wisdom" picked up from the (un)official O.N. railfan site,but they caught my imagination. In part because of the manageable size of the outfit (in modelling terms) and partly the off the beaten track,frontier feel of the place. So,the trains, The Northlander runs daily from Toronto up to Cochrane via North Bay ( C.N. trackage to N.Bay ) Normal formation seems to be G.P.38-2,A.P.U (converted "B" unit for car heating ) 2 coaches and a food service car ( coverted G.O.cars ) until fairly recently,power was any one of the last 3 F.P.7a`s dating back to `51 or 2 but retro-fitted with 2000 hp Caterpiller prime movers. Also seen on this service although not sucessful and long withdrawn ,were a number of Dutch built Werkspoor T.E.E units. This service meets bus connections along the route serving the various `branches ` although It`s predecessor the Northland sleeper carried connecting portions and could include virtually anything. Heading north from Cochrane we have the Polar Bear Express,a summer-only tourist run up to Moosonee up in the arctic circle--this is usually a twin G.P38 lashup although Cochrane shed will happily use whats available,usually a dozen plus cars including domes,food service etc ( think these came from B.C.Rail and C.P.R . The Little Bear is the 3-times-weekly mixed to Moosonee--Beyond Cochrane you are in the tree line and the track is the only land route in or out so this is a community lifeline, The little bear runs about a dozen freight cars(lots of flats with big plant,containers etc,fuel tanks,general stores. According to season,a "canoe car" ( bulkhead flat with special racks fitted) and a "moose car" (50` box for dressed carcases) are available. so a thumbnail essay. Thats left me thirsty so same again and i`ll just perch over here at the end of the counter,take care now,nick
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Posted by trolleyboy on Saturday, June 3, 2006 11:40 PM
Okay this will be the first round of pictures for this sunday's photo posting day from me. then it's off to never never land [zzz]

* Just a reminder, Tom posted a master url list for all the previous photo sunday's here at the bar.If you don't have a photo posting ability why not repost some of the past pictures using the forums " quote " function. *

First up some more shots from the museum's archieves.



HSR ( Hamilton Street Railway's ) snowsweeper



MS&C ( Montreal and Southern Counties ) snowsweeper



NS&T ( Niagara St Catharines and Toronto ) curve sided city car 303



Toronto Transit's ex TRC ( Toronto Railway Companies )home built DT TR cars



TTC small Witt 2666 enetreing the yard at the Hillcrest Shops



TTC homebuilt Y class trailer shunters

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Posted by trolleyboy on Sunday, June 4, 2006 7:27 AM
Good morning again folks.Leon will have coffee on for most of the day as he is doing an inventory, of the kitchen and wine cellars. [tup] here's round two of photo's from me today. part one of some trolley charters we have taken in over the years.[tup]



Boston Charter in 1991 at the barn



Our charter car just before boarding



Boston classic car loaned to to the MTA by seashore trolley musuemused for summer excursions at the time in Boston.

We took in Seashiore on the same trip, they are at Kennebunkport Maine.



Seashore's DE PCC car

end PT 1

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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, June 4, 2006 8:09 AM
Good Morning Gang I know we are closed on Sundays but I just looked in my cupboard and discovered I am out of coffee until I go to the store. In about an hour I will be ready to kill for a cup of coffee. I start each day with at least a pot of coffee.
Continuing the early streamliners.

C&NW – UP – SP
M-10004
CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO
(June 14, 1936)
2,260 miles
By Al

Less than a month after the inauguration of the first CITY OF LOS ANGELES the C&NW – UP – SP inaugurated the first CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO train on June 14, 1936. The new train operated on a 39-¾ hour schedule between Chicago and San Francisco. Between Chicago and Omaha the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO operated over the C&NW, between Omaha and Ogden it operated over the Union Pacific. The final part of the trip between Ogden and Oakland Pier was by way of the Southern Pacific. The consist of the new train set was identical to the earlier CITY OF LOS ANGELES except the CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO booster unit was powered by a 1,200 hp Winton engine instead of a 900 hp Winton engine. This fourth train as it was better known served as not only the first CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO train, it also served later as a CITY OF PORTLAND train and was not retired until 1948 and scrapped.

M-10004A 1,200 HP Diesel Cab Unit
M-1004B 1,200 HP Diesel Booster Unit

12202 Articulated Auxiliary Power 30’ Railway Post Office Compartment Bag-age Car
12761 Articulated Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Kitchen Car
10302 Articulated 40 seat Dining 17 seat Lounge Car
HAWAII Articulated 11 Section Sleeping Car
LANAI Articulated 7 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment Sleep-in Car
HONOLULU Articulated 11 Section Sleeping Car
OAHU Articulated 11 Section Sleeping Car
10405 Articulated 48 Revenue seat Coach
10406 Articulated 38 Revenue seat Coach Buffet Blind End Observation


C&NW – UP
CITY OF DENVER
(June 18, 1936)
1,048 miles
By Al

Beginning June 18, 1936 the C&NW and Union Pacific inaugurated a pair of ten car streamliners named the CITY OF DENVER between Chicago and Denver overnight on a fast 16-hour schedule. The route was 1048 miles in length and included eight stops in each direction for an average speed of 65.4 mph. Beginning with these train’s no more than two cars were articulated together in any further UP streamliners. There were three sets of paired cars and four single cars in each consist. Initially there were two 1,200 hp power units and 10 cars in each consist. In May, 1939 one additional sleeping car was delivered by Pullman Standard and added to each train between the two articulated sleeping car pairs one train received SOUTH PLATTE and the other train received DENARGO. These cars were built to Plan: 4083 containing 4 Roomettes 3 Compartments 1 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedrooms. After the addition of the extra sleeping car the CITY OF DENVERS began having a problem with maintaining schedule, the solution was adding a third 1,200 hp power unit to each CITY OF DENVER. This solved the problem of time keeping but increased the cost of the operation substantially. These two trains were replaced in CITY OF DENVER service beginning March 20, 1953. Both trains were then sent to Omaha where they were scrapped in May 1953.

M-10005A 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

M-10005B 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11700 Auxiliary Power Baggage Car

12203 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

11701 Baggage 32 seat “FRONTIER SHACK” Lounge Car

10407 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
10408 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

10303 24-seat Dining 12 seat Lounge Car

CACHE LA POUDRE Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car
SQUAW BONNET Articulated 8 section 2 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Sleeping Car

SILVER DOLLAR Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car
OGALLA Articulated 5 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment 12 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

M-10006A 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

M-10006B 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

11702 Auxiliary Power Baggage Car

12204 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

11703 Baggage 32 seat “FRONTIER SHACK” Lounge Car

10409 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
10410 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

10304 24-seat Dining 12 seat Lounge Car

BIG PINEY Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car
SNOWY RANGE Articulated 8 Section 2 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Sleeping Car

ST. VRAINS Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car
COLORES Articulated 5 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment 2 seat Lounge Observation

NYC
MERCURY
(July 15, 1936)
By Al

The New York Central System rebuilt nine old heavyweight cars into streamlined cars at their Beech Grove shops on the outskirts of Indianapolis, Ind. The cars were rebuilt to a plan submitted by famed industrial designer Henry Dreyfuss. The train was named the MERCURY and was built for service between Cleveland and Detroit round trip daily. The NYC streamlined a pair of 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotives with tenders to pull the new train set. They were equipped with disc drivers and when running at night, lights shone on the spinning drivers. The new MERCURY entered service on July 15, 1936 and the NYC soon discovered that streamlined trains attracted additional passenger loads, as the MERCURY was nearly always full. New lightweight cars did not replace the first MERCURY cars until the late 1940’s by the NYC.

4915 or 4916 Streamlined K5 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive and Tender

1001 Baggage 52 Revenue seat Coach Combination

1002 60 Revenue seat Coach

1003 18 Revenue seat Coach – Kitchen Car

1004 62 seat Dining Room Car

1005 56 Revenue seat Coach

1006 56 Revenue seat Coach

1015 TOLEDO 31 seat Tavern Lounge Car

1017 CLEVELAND 25 Revenue seat Parlor Car

1019 DETROIT 26 Revenue seat Parlor 10 seat Lounge Observation

CPR
CHINOOK
ROYAL YORK
VIGER – WINDSOR
(September 27, 1936)
By Al

On September 27, 1936 the Canadian Pacific Railway inaugurated not one, not two, nor even three but four identical lightweight streamlined trains to the traveling public on that date. Each of the new trains was powered by new Streamlined 4-4-4 JUBILEE steam locomotive with matching tender and four new lightweight streamlined cars trailed the streamlined steam power.
The streamlined Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car in each consist was constructed by National Steel Car Company and numbered 3600 - 3603. The remaining three lightweight streamlined cars in each consist were constructed in the Canadian Pacific’s own Montreal shops with frames supplied by National Steel Car Company.
One of the new train sets was assigned to operate in Western Canada in the Province of Alberta. This train named the CHINOOK operated a daily round trip between the provinces two largest cities Calgary and the provincial capital at Edmonton. The name CHINOOK was chosen for the strange warm wind named CHINOOK that comes off the Canadian Rockies during the winter at some of the coldest times of the year. Another train was assigned to operate between Toronto the largest city and capital of Ontario and Detroit, Michigan largest city in that state and was the only one of the four trains to cross an International border. This train was named the ROYAL YORK after the Royal York Hotel the huge 1,500-room Canadian Pacific Railway owned hotel directly across the street from Toronto's Union Station. At one time the Royal York with its 1,500 rooms was the largest hotel in the British Commonwealth.
The other two trains were assigned to operate between the Province of Quebec’s two largest cities Montreal and Quebec City. Both were named for Canadian Pacific owned hotels once again the WINDSOR and VIGER. Both of these trains operated a daily round trip between the two city pairs.

ROYAL YORK

3000 or 3002 Streamlined 4-4-4 JUBILEE Locomotive & Tender

3600 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3050 Baggage Buffet 28 Revenue seat Coach

2100 36 Revenue seat Coach

2101 36 Revenue seat Coach

CHINOOK

3001 Streamlined 4-4-4 JUBILEE Locomotive & Tender

3602 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3052 Baggage Buffet 28 Revenue seat Coach

2102 36 Revenue seat Coach

2103 36 Revenue seat Coach

VIGER

3003 Streamlined 4-4-4 JUBILEE Locomotive & Tender

3601 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3051 Baggage Buffet 28 Revenue seat Coach

2104 36 Revenue seat Coach

2105 36 Revenue seat Coach

WINDSOR

3004 Streamlined 4-4-4 JUBILEE Locomotive & Tender

3603 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3053 Baggage Buffet 28 Revenue seat Coach

2106 36 Revenue seat Coach

2107 36 Revenue seat Coach

CMStP&P
1936 HIAWATHA
(October 11, 1936)
421 miles
By Al


The Milwaukee Road introduced two all new nine car streamlined HIAWATHAS on October 11, 1936 for service between Chicago – Milwaukee and St. Paul – Minneapolis. The new trains replaced the earlier HIAWATHAS and also received new 4-4-2 Atlantic Locomotives and Tenders numbers 3 and 4 identical to the earlier pair for power.

3 Streamlined 4-4-2 Atlantic Locomotive & Tender

151 Express 40 seat “TIP TOP TAP” Lounge Car

400 series 52 Revenue seat Coach

400 series 52 Revenue seat Coach

400 series 52 Revenue seat Coach

400 series 52 Revenue seat Coach

100 48 seat Dining Car

IAGOO 28 Revenue seat Parlor Car

SHADA 22 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

OMEME 26 Revenue seat Parlor 12 seat Parlor Lounge Beavertail Observation

SECOND CONSIST

4 Streamlined 4-4-2 Atlantic Locomotive & Tender

152 Express 40 seat “TIP TOP TAP” Lounge Car

400 series 52 Revenue seat Coach

400 series 52 Revenue seat Coach

400 series 52 Revenue seat Coach

400 series 52 Revenue seat Coach

101 48 seat Dining Car

SAHWA 28 Revenue seat Parlor Car

WAWA 22 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

OPECHEE 26 Revenue seat Parlor 12 seat Parlor Lounge Beavertail Observation

TTFN Al
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 4, 2006 7:15 PM
Good early evening from the sweltering climes of FL. We have been at or near the 90 deg. F. mark for days now. Spring Fever has struck in the form of endless respitory aggravation, "...and this too will pass." While this may not be a "landmark day" for Sunday's photo posting, there have been some excellent replays for all to enjoy. Rob, Mike, Al and Dave have come to the rescue like the Seventh Cavalry sounding "Charge."[tup] You gents are doing the "Lion's share" of keeping a sense of momentum and continuity hereabouts. I haven't quite "got my act together" on how to handle the "quote" feature on the thread. Hence, I'm relegated to "cheer leading" for those who have this savvy. Dave the P.E., S.N., Key System and Tidewater Southern certainly are welcome additions to the copius data from the Canadian Radial lines furnished by our resident traction scholar Rob. Mike's URLS on steam and light weight diesel headed streamliners visually bring back those heady days of prolific passenger ridership and competition between the Lines. The interior shots of the car's, Porters, Chefs, Waiters, peripheral buildings and surrounding scenery graphically give a glimpse into "what was." The Sulpher Springs, CO shot of the Zephyr's "whistle stop" reflects the local gentry admiring the "new" lines and contours of the day. The S.P. Daylight Northern 4-8-4 is sporting an air chime on the boiler front to comply with the CA State Hiway Patrol's insistance for safety precautions. Dave, I'm a bit hazy on the "Loft" status of downtown buildings in L.A. Perhaps this is a precursor of "urban renewal" during the 50's? I would really enjoy seeing the abandoned station still in "mint condition" downtown. What a "time capsule" into "the good old days" that would be.[^] Many of us have seen the "spiral down" of our cities in the 50's and 60's and the bazaar efforts to bring them back more recently. This station from antiquity would be serve as a "fountain of youth" for we Seniors on the Thread. True, enough can not be said of the glamour and oppulance of the venerable S.P. Daylights, unique among passenger Varnish Dave and Mike. Your input is greatly appreciated.

Well, it is nearly dinner time here and I'm the only cook around, so I must make this a wrap for now. Thanks again to the regulars who's prodigious efforts "keep the home fires burning." Happy rails all.
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Posted by rtraincollector on Sunday, June 4, 2006 7:58 PM
Good day all just a quick note to inform if you didn't already know the latest with Lionel/K-Line

QUOTE: K-Line Announcement from Jerry Calabrese
04/25/2006
Dear Friends,

I must confess that I so enjoyed the speculation and armchair lawyering about the future of K-Line that I almost hate bringing it to an end. But, as one of my former mothers-in-law used to say, “Appoint a day and it will come.” After a lot of legal wrangling, the K-Line transaction has finally been concluded. As of last week, right before York, Lionel took control of all K-Line assets, including its inventory, intellectual property, tooling, and trademarks.

Lionel’s deal is with Sanda Kan, K-Line’s principal manufacturer and creditor, who, in turn, worked out its own deal with K-Line’s bankers before we could move forward. Under the terms of our arrangement, Lionel will control and run the K-Line brand, in all respects, and will have the exclusive right to buy it outright sometime in the near future.

Our first step was to take possession of the existing K-Line inventory and move it from its former headquarters in North Carolina. As of today, that’s just about done. Our next challenge is to sort through K-Line’s books and records to make sure that everyone who pre-paid for products receives them. This will take some time, as most of what’s owed to individuals and clubs is not in existing inventory and will have to be manufactured.

As I’ve said before, Lionel is committed to making good on unfulfilled orders. I anticipate that it will take us at least 60 days to sort out what is owed to whom. During that time, I cannot stress strongly enough how much we will need your patience and cooperation. As hard as it may be to control the urge to call us throughout this transition, I would really appreciate it if you will give us a couple of months to figure things out.

One bit of good news is that we’ve already managed to get most of the trains that had been stuck in K-Line’s repair department during its bankruptcy fixed and shipped back to their owners.

Once the smoke clears, we plan to re-launch K-Line later this year, in our second catalog. Because getting the deal done took so long, there will be only a limited line of new products in 2006. But we plan to make them very special. Next year, in 2007, we plan to make K-Line a larger part of the Lionel product line, positioning it with our own LionMaster offerings, in our ongoing effort to offer you even more quality mid-priced choices.

Finally, I’d just like to say thanks to all of the people who worked so long and hard to get this deal done.

Best Regards,


Jerry Calabrese


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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, June 4, 2006 8:22 PM
Good evening all . Just thought I would look in on Tom's forum and see how it did today.

CMStP&P
NORTHWOODS
HIAWATHA
(October 11, 1936)
170 miles
by Al

On the same date the Milwaukee Road inaugurated new streamlined HIAWATHAS on October 11, 1936 the Milwaukee Road assigned one of the original train sets to service between Minocqua and New Lisbon. There the train connected with the HIAWATHAS between Chicago and the Twin Cities. For power as the 4-4-2 Atlantic Locomotives and Tenders were two heavy for this line the Milwaukee Road shops streamlined an older 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler Locomotive and tender numbering it 10 for NORTH WOODS HIAWATHA service. The train operated beyond Minocqua to Star Lake during the summer, as this was a large summer resort area. The following year in 1937 the Milwaukee Road streamlined a second 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler and numbered it 11 for NORTHWOODS HIAWATHA service. The NORTHWOODS HIAWATHA required a single consist to maintain it’s most leisurely of all HIAWATHA schedules.

10 Streamlined 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler Locomotive & Tender

5251 48-seat “TIP TOP TAP” Café Lounge Car

4400 series 48 Revenue seat Coach

4400 series 48 Revenue seat Coach

4400 series 48 Revenue seat Coach

ISHKOODAH 22 Revenue seat Parlor Car

WENONAH 24 Revenue seat Parlor Beavertail Observation

NYNH&H
BESLER
(October 16, 1936)
318 miles daily
by Al

This two car bi-directional streamlined train was rebuilt from a pair of old commuter coaches in the New Havens own shops. Named for the experimental steam power plant installed in one unit the BESLER was a one of a kind never repeated? The power plant developed 550 hp and was installed behind the Shovelnose Control Cab just ahead of the Baggage Room of car 9210. Car 9210 in addition provided coach seating for 64 passengers. The trailing coach 9211 with a control cab also provided revenue coach seating for 88. Controls in 9211 were operated by pneumatics from 9210. The train being bi-directional did not require turning at terminals it being a simple matter to reverse the seats. Initially the BESLER was assigned to a Waterbury-Bridgeport- Hartford-Bridgeport-Waterbury-Bridgeport-Waterbury-Bridgeport-Waterbury schedule that covered 318 miles daily. The BESLER entered service October 16, 1936 and was not scrapped until 1948, but the train had been sitting stored since the end of WW II. Historically it was significant as the last steam motorcar ever constructed in the United States.

9210 Shovelnose Cab 550 HP Besler Steam Power Plant with Baggage Compartment and 64 Revenue Coach seats

9211 88 Revenue seat trailing Coach with Shovelnose Control Cab for Bi-directional operation

CB&Q
DENVER ZEPHYRS
(November 7, 1936)
1,034 miles
By Al

The Burlington Railroads answer to the Union Pacific Railroads CITY OF DENVER streamliners the Stainless Steel DENVER ZEPHYRS entered scheduled service November 7, 1936. These trains represented the first CB&Q Shovelnose ZEPHYRS in which the power was not articulated to the rest of the trailing consists. These were the first and only Shovelnose Diesels to have a Booster Unit built for operation with them. The Shovelnose A units had a pair of 900 hp Winton 201-A Diesels developing a total of 1,800 hp, and the trailing Booster or B unit had a single 1,200 hp Winton 201-A Diesel thus giving each ten car consist 3,000 hp total. The DENVER ZEPHYR was the first Burlington ZEPHYR in which the power and all cars featured SILVER prefix names something that would become synonymous with the CB&Q almost a trademark as it were.
The new DENVER ZEPHYRS replaced the three car ADVANCED DENVER ZEPHYRS on a fast sixteen hour overnight schedule between Chicago and Denver in either direction. The new ten car DENVER ZEPHYRS provided Coach seating, Sleeping Car space, and Parlor car seating, this was quite unusual for a train to provide both Sleeping car space and Parlor Car seating in the same train. The Parlor seating was sold between Chicago and Lincoln westbound and Denver and Omaha eastbound. The new DENVER ZEPHYRS would receive a new 64-revenue seat Coach with 16-seat Dinette seating in May 1938 to increase coach capacity. These cars were 4852 SILVER BEAM in one consist and 4853 SILVER BELL added to the other consist. The addition of this coach brought each DENVER ZEPHYR train up to eleven cars. In April, 1939 Budd delivered a pair of Sleeping cars with 4 Roomettes 4 Chambrettes 1 Drawing Room 1 Compartment and 4 Double Bedrooms to the CB&Q one for each DENVER ZEPHYR train. These two cars were 445 SILVER SLIPPER in one train and 446 SILVER MOON assigned to the other train. This brought the DENVER ZEPHYR trains to twelve cars each. The pair of shovelnose power units with booster units was found to be sufficient for maintaining the hot schedule. Although as the CB&Q began receiving their EMD E5A and B units they were assigned to the DENVER ZEPHYRS replacing the shovelnose pair built for them. This gave the DENVER ZEPHYRS 4,000 hp per train set. Other than a refurbishing of the interiors that the two train sets underwent in 1948 and 1949 they remained on the Chicago – Denver route until October 27, 1956. On the following day October 28, 1956 the 1936 DENVER ZEPHYRS were replaced in Chicago – Denver service with new DENVER ZEPHYRS. At that time the original DENVER ZEPHYR trains were leased to the C&S a Burlington subsidiary for operation as the TEXAS ZEPHYRS between Denver and Fort Worth – Dallas overnight in each direction. In June 1957 the two trains were transferred to C&S ownership and continued in TEXAS ZEPHYR service.

9906A SILVER KING Shovelnose 1,800 hp Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9906B SILVER QUEEN Shovelnose 1,200 hp Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

950 SILVER COURIER Auxiliary Power 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Car

980 SILVER LINING Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 seat Lounge Car

4852 SILVER BEAM 64 Revenue seat Coach 16 seat Dinette Car (Added May, 1938)

4631 SILVER CITY Articulated 64 Revenue seat Coach
4632 SILVER LAKE Articulated 38 Revenue seat Coach
152 SILVER GRILL Articulated 40 seat Dining Car

410 SILVER STATE Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car
411 SILVER TIP Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

412 SILVER ARROW Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car
440 SILVER SIDES Articulated 3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

445 SILVER SLIPPER 4 Roomette 4 Chambrettes 1 Drawing Room 1 Compartment 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car (Added April, 1939)

230 SILVER FLASH 10 Revenue seat Parlor Buffet 31 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

9907A SILVER KNIGHT Shovelnose 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

9907B SILVER PRINCESS 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

951 SILVER HERALD Auxiliary Power 30’ Railway Post Office Baggage Car

981 SILVER BAR Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Buffet 16 seat Lounge Car

4853 SILVER BELL 64 Revenue seat Coach 16 seat Dinette Car (Added May, 1938)

4633 SILVER SPRUCE Articulated 64 Revenue seat Coach
4634 SILVER PLUME Articulated 38 Revenue seat Coach
153 SILVER SERVICE 40 seat Dining Car

413 SILVER SKATES Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car
414 SILVER SCREEN Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

415 SILVER TONE Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car
441 SILVER THREADS Articulated 3 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 6 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

446 SILVER MOON 4 Roomette 4 Chambrettes 1 Drawing Room 1 Compartment 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping (Added April, 1939)

231 SILVER STREAK 10 Revenue seat Parlor Buffet 31 seat Lounge Observation

CB&Q
1936 TWIN ZEPHYRS
(December 17, 1936)
437 miles
By Al

After the 1935 3 Car TWIN ZEPHYRS had entered service the CB&Q realized that if they hoped to hold onto the traffic the new ZEPHYRS were generating then they would need additional passenger capacity. With this in mind the CB&Q ordered replacement TWIN ZEPHYRS within months, but the Burlington themselves delayed the new TWIN ZEPHYRS completion putting greater emphasis on the DENVER ZEPHYRS being completed first. Once the DENVER ZEPHYRS were rushed to completion work resumed on the incomplete TWIN ZEPHYRS at Budd in Philadelphia. The new TWIN ZEPHYRS were powered by a single Shovelnose Diesel Unit with two 900 hp Winton 201-A Diesels producing a total of 1,800 hp. The cab Units for the new TWIN ZEPHYRS were identical to the lead unit of the DENVER ZEPHYRS. The six car articulated train sets would be the last of their kind built for the CB&Q. A seventh articulated car was added to each TWIN ZEPHYR train set in September 1937 to increase Coach seating capacity. The two new cars were 4850 PSYCHE added to the TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES train and 4851 CUPID added to the TRAIN OF THE GODS train. These would be the last trains to carry names without SILVER prefixes. All Cars and the power unit in one train were named for Greek and Roman Gods and the cars and power of the other train was named for Greek and Roman Goddesses. These two trains were always known throughout their years of operation as the TRAIN OF THE GODS and TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES. A shortened version of the TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES is operated today at the Illinois Railway Museum and has appeared in one or two Motion Pictures.

TRAIN OF THE GODDESSES

9904 PEGASUS Shovelnose 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

960 VENUS Articulated Auxiliary Power Buffet 32 seat Lounge Car
4626 VESTA Articulated 60 Revenue seat Coach
4627 MINERVA Articulated 60 Revenue seat Coach
4850 PSYCHE Articulated 56 Revenue seat Coach with 16 seat Dinette (Added September, 1937)
150 CERES Articulated 32 seat Dining Car
4625 DIANA Articulated 19 seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room
225 JUNO Articulated 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

TRAIN OF THE GODS

9905 ZEPHYRUS Shovelnose 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

961 APOLLO Articulated Auxiliary Power Buffet 32 seat Lounge Car
4629 NEPTUNE Articulated 60 Revenue seat Coach
4630 MARS Articulated 60 Revenue seat Coach
4851 CUPID Articulated 56 Revenue seat Coach with 16 seat Dinette (Added September, 1937)
151 VULCAN Articulated 32 seat Dining Car
4628 MERCURY Articulated 19 seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room
226 JUPITER Articulated 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

CB&Q
SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR
(January 6, 1937)
283 miles
By Al

On January 6, 1937 the CB&Q inaugurated the SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR between Dallas and Houston by way of Fort Worth. The SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR operated a daily round trip covering the 250 miles in each direction in a flat 240 minutes. The first SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR was the displaced 9901 ZEPHYR train recently displaced by the NEW TWIN ZEPHYRS. The SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR would operate with both the 9901 ZEPHYR and 9902 ZEPHYR at different times and the 9901 ZEPHYR would be destroyed in a grade crossing accident with a tanker truck near Dacus, Texas while operating in this service, the only ZEPHYR to suffer such a sad end. For consist of the 9901 ZEPHYR see the original TWIN ZEPHYRS.

SP
DAYLIGHT
(March 21, 1937)
470 miles
By Al

One of the most beautiful trains in the world was inaugurated Sunday March 21, 1937 the streamlined DAYLIGHTS of the Southern Pacific. The two trains inaugurated that day for service between San Francisco and Los Angeles in each direction by the beautiful picturesque coastline route. The new streamlined trains painted in Daylight Orange and Red with Black Roofs and under bodies with Silver lettering and separation stripes replaced an older heavyweight DAYLIGHT on the coast route. The new twelve car DAYLIGHT trains were powered by new Lima built 4-8-4 GS-2 class Locomotive and tenders painted in DAYLIGHT colors to match the trailing streamlined trains. The trains operated over the 471 miles in 9 3/4 hours either direction with five stops. The scheduled stops after leaving the 3rd and Townsend Street Depot in San Francisco was at San Jose, Salinas, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, and Glendale before arrival at Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal.
The initial consists of the DAYLIGHTS were twelve cars with a coach seating capacity of 392 and a parlor seating capacity of 57. Within days of the new DAYLIGHTS inaugural the trains were running fully booked weeks in advance. A second heavyweight section of the DAYLIGHT was operated on many days to carry the overload of passengers.

4411 LIMA GS-2 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3300 Baggage 44 Revenue seat Coach Combination

2400 48 Revenue seat Coach

2402 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2403 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

2404 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2405 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

2406 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2407 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

10310 24 seat Lunch Counter 18 seat Tavern Lounge Car

10200 40 seat Dining Car

3000 29 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

2950 23 Revenue seat Parlor 10 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

4413 LIMA GS-2 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender

3301 Baggage 44 Revenue seat Coach Combination

2401 48 Revenue seat Coach

2408 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2409 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

2410 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2411 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

2412 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
2413 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

10311 24 seat Lunch Counter 18 seat Tavern Lounge Car

10201 40 seat Dining Car

3001 29 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Stateroom

2950 23 Revenue seat Parlor 10 seat Lounge Observation

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Posted by wanswheel on Sunday, June 4, 2006 11:47 PM
Time to put a nightcap on the 1930s.

Ted, thoughtful commentary, thanks always
and Rob, thanks for the local color today.

Al, a few more links inspired by your streamliner posts

New York Central Mercury engine 4915 type 4-6-2, Olmsted Falls, Ohio, August 9, 1937
http://photoswest.org/photos/00013501/00013561.jpg

Canadian Pacific engine 3001 type 4-4-4 Calgary, Alta., August 3, 1938
http://photoswest.org/photos/00020376/00020382.jpg
http://photoswest.org/photos/00020376/00020481.jpg

Canadian Pacific engine 3004 type 4-4-4 Quebec, Que., August 14, 1937
http://photoswest.org/photos/00020376/00020482.jpg

These next 2 are inconvenient. To see the photo, "click to enlarge" JPEG, in the blue box to the right

New Haven Besler steam car 9210 at Bridgeport
http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_OI=433&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_result=0

New Haven Besler steam car & engineer
http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_OI=432&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_result=1
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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 5, 2006 6:49 AM
Good Morning Gang. Time for a coffeee and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Mike see you are able to find photos of just about all of the streamliners guess that makes us a team. Perfect for photo sunday postings.

Here is this mornings early streamliners.

B&O
ROYAL BLUE
(April 25, 1937)
By Al

The B&O inaugurated an all (new) streamlined ROYAL BLUE behind steam power on April 25, 1937. Actually this consist was made up of heavyweight cars streamlined in the B&O Mt. Clare Shops in Baltimore by the Railroads own skilled craftsmen. This gave the B&O two ROYAL BLUE train sets the lightweight Aluminum train set of 1935 built by American Car & Foundry and the heavyweight streamlined train set. The eight-car consist of rebuilt and streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE was preferred by passengers over the lightweight consist and passengers of this Jersey City – Washington, D. C. train let management know. Since only one consist was needed for the ROYAL BLUE schedule the lightweight consist was transferred to B&O subsidiary C&A and the streamlined heavyweight consist became the preferred ROYAL BLUE train.

Unknown 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive & Tender

1300 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach

3520 68 Revenue seat Coach

3511 54 Revenue seat Coach

3512 54 Revenue seat Coach

3065 52 Revenue seat Coach Buffet Car

1075 42-seat dining Car

2110 26 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

3300 Buffet Solarium Observation

AT&SF
SUPER CHIEF
(May 18, 1937)
2,223 miles
By Al

The Santa Fe’s most famous train the SUPER CHIEF made its first run as a lightweight streamlined diesel powered train on May 18, 1937. The new streamlined SUPER CHIEFS matching diesels with new War bonnet paint scheme, that later would become the most famous face in the diesel age were not ready for the inaugural trip. Instead two of the Box Cab Diesels that had been assigned to the heavyweight SUPER CHIEF were assigned for the streamlined SUPER CHIEFS inaugural trip. The SUPER CHIEF was an extra fare extra fast all sleeping car train between Chicago and Los Angeles sailing five times a month from both terminals. The SUPER CHIEF ran off the miles between Chicago and Los Angeles in 39-3/4 hours matching the time keeping of the C&NW – UP CITY OF LOS ANGELES Streamliner. But instead of using an articulated lightweight streamlined train with less than standard size equipment, the Santa Fe SUPER CHIEF was an eight car consist of standard dimension lightweight streamlined cars without articulation. The all Budd built stainless steel consist would be the only all lightweight streamlined sleeping car train built by Budd as Pullman would demand that if Railroads wished to operate sleeping cars in Pullman operation they would have to be built by Pullman Standard. This would later lead to a lawsuit against Pullman for monopolistic practices and they would be forced to sell the Pullman Sleeping Car operation to the operating Railroads themselves. This separated the car manufacturing division of Pullman Standard from the operating division of Pullman.
The Budd Company outdid themselves in the interior appointments of these beautiful stainless steel cars using exotic wood veneers from around the world tastefully decorated in keeping with the SUPER CHIEFS Southwestern Indian theme. The eight-car consist provided sleeping accommodations for 104 passengers per sailing in the four sleeping cars and sleeper lounge Observation of the SUPER CHIEF. The other cars in the consist were a Baggage Car, a 12 Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Bar 25 seat Lounge Car and a 36 seat Dining Car. The sleeping car capacity of the CITY OF LOS ANGELES was 84 but 66 of these were either upper or lower berths located in Sections, while the SUPER CHIEF only offered 32 spaces in upper and lower berths with all remaining car space in Bedrooms, Compartments, and Drawing Rooms. The SUPER CHIEF was truly a Super train and the $10.00 extra fare reflected this. The second Box Cab Unit listed in the inaugural train set was leased from EMC and was numbered 512 but Santa Fe renumbered it 1C while in Santa Fe service.

1A Box Cab 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Unit

1C Box Cab 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Unit

3430 Baggage Car

ISLETA 8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

TAOS 6 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment 2 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

1370 ACOMA 12 Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Bar 25 seat Lounge Car

1474 COCHITA 36 seat Dining Car

ORAIBI 6 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment 2 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

LAGUNA 8 Section 1 Drawing Room 2 Compartment Sleeping Car

NAVAJO 2 Double Bedroom 2 Compartment 1 Drawing Room 14 seat Lounge Observation

C&EI
EGYPTIAN ZIPPER
(May 20, 1937)
By Al

This service between Danville and Cypress, Illinois was inaugurated with a pair of motorailers built by American Car & Foundry. The two single car streamlined motorcar trains were operated over the 242-mile route as locals making all stops along the route. As the route had a mail contract the cars were equipped with a 15’ Railway Post Office Compartment. The EGYPTIAN ZIPPER trains entered service for owner Chicago and Eastern Illinois on May 20, 1937. The trains made connections with C&EI trains to and from Chicago at Danville.

245 SALEM Streamlined Single Car 200 HP Motor Train with Control Cab 15’ Railway Post Office Compartment and 61 Revenue Coach seats

342 MT. VERNON Streamlined Single Car 200 HP Motor Train with Control Cab 15’ Railway Post Office Compartment and 61 Revenue Coach seats

Pullman-C&NW-UP-SP
FORTY NINER
(June 8, 1937)
2,260 miles
By Al

This all-Pullman train was inaugurated June 8, 1937 between Chicago and Oakland Pier by way of the C&NW – UP – SP Overland route. The Pullman operated FORTY NINER was an interesting train with all cars provided by Pullman and Pullman owned. The power was supplied by the operating roads over whose lines the FORTY NINER operated, the C&NW initially assigned Pacific’s for power later replaced in 1938 by the new streamlined Hudson’s between Chicago and Omaha. The Union Pacific added streamlining to two locomotives and tenders for assignment to the FORTY NINER, Pacific 2906 was assigned between Omaha and Cheyenne, streamlined Mountain 7002 took over the FORTY NINER for the trip to Ogden. Between Ogden and Oakland Pier the Southern Pacific assigned any of their Mountains available.
The eight car consist was comprised of six heavyweight cars streamlined by Pullman Shops complete with skirting and full width diaphragms and the last two cars were an articulated pair of lightweight streamlined cars. All cars were renamed from their original Pullman names to names associated with the California Gold Rush of 1849 as follows.

DONNER LAKE originally K-100

ANGEL"S CAMP originally D-100

JOAQUIN MILLER originally YOSEMITE PARK

JAMES MARSHALL originally McCLINCHY

CAPTAIN JOHN SUTTER originally ST. LEON

GOLD RUN originally McGILL
BEAR FLAG originally ADVANCE

CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC originally PROGRESS

This all-Pullman train made its first run from Chicago on June 8, 1937 and its final run from Oakland Pier on July 26, 1941. The cars were painted in Dark Gray with Black roof, trucks and under body. The Gray was broken by white accent stripes outlined in black and the lettering was in dulux Gold Leaf. The train was scheduled to operate opposite the first CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO though on a slower schedule.

2906 Streamlined 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive & Tender (Omaha – Cheyenne)

7002 Streamlined 4-8-2 Mountain Locomotive & Tender
(Cheyenne – Ogden)

DONNER LAKE Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Kitchen Car

ANGELS CAMP 56 seat Dining Room Car

JOAQUIN MILLER Barber Shop 4 Drawing Room 3 Compartment Sleeping Car

JAMES MARSHALL 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

CAPTAIN JOHN SUTTER 12 Section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

GOLD RUN 12 section 1 Drawing Room Sleeping Car

BEAR FLAG Articulated Lightweight 2 Double Bedroom 14 Duplex Single Room Sleeping Car
CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC Articulated Lightweight 3 Double Bedroom 1 Compartment Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observation

B&O – C&A
ANN RUTLEDGE
ABRAHAM LINCOLN
(July 26, 1937)
By Al

The ANN RUTLEDGE name was assigned to the first streamlined ABRAHAM LINCOLN train on July 26, 1937 when the former streamlined ROYAL BLUE consist was transferred and repainted from C&A owner B&O to the Chicago – St. Louis run and renamed ABRAHAM LINCOLN. On that date the C&A began offering two daily round trip streamlined trains between Chicago and St. Louis the ABRAHAM LINCOLN and ANN RUTLEDGE. See ABRAHAM LINCOLN and ROYAL BLUE of 1935 for consists.

CRI&P
TEXAS ROCKET
(August 29, 1937)
283 miles
By Al

The TEXAS ROCKET was the first of the Rock Island lightweight streamlined three car ROCKETS to enter service on August 29, 1937. In fact it was the first of the Rock Islands long line of lightweight streamlined ROCKETS to enter service. The TEXAS ROCKET was assigned to operate a Dallas – Fort Worth – Houston daily round trip opposite the CB&Q SAM HOUSTON ZEPHYR with both trains operating over the 250-mile route in each direction in a flat 240 minutes. The three cars were constructed by Budd, as were all of the cars for the first three and four car ROCKETS built to operate trailing EMC TA model passenger diesel units. The EMC TA was the perfect power for these size trains with its 1,200 HP and full ROCKET dress paint scheme introduced on the TA diesels from EMC. It was only when the Rock Island added additional cars to the original three and four car ROCKET consists that the shortcomings of the TA became apparent (lack of MU capability, and under powered). The first two cars in the three-car ROCKET train sets and the first three cars in the four car ROCKET train sets were articulated with the Observations of both the three car and four car trains simply coupled.

602 EMC TA 1,200 HP Passenger Diesel Unit

402 DREAM LAKE Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 Revenue seat Dinette Coach
302 MESA VERDE Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

452 CENTENNIAL 28 Revenue seat Coach 24 seat Parlor Observation

C&NW – UP – SP
CHALLENGERS
(September 15, 1937)
2,299 miles
2,260 miles
By Al

Beginning September 15, 1937 The LOS ANGELES CHALLENGER that had been operating in daily service since 1935 between Chicago and Los Angeles and the new SAN FRANCISCO CHALLENGER both began operating with lightweight streamlined cars in their consists. The lightweight streamlined cars were all from Pullman Standard and were painted Olive Green for these trains with the name CHALLENGER in Red Script centered below the windows. The Tourist Sleeping Cars and most Dining Cars remained heavyweights and the trains still needed many heavyweight coaches to augment the lightweight streamlined coaches of 1937. The LOS ANGELES CHALLENGER was assigned new lightweight streamlined Twin Unit Dining cars at the same time the new coaches entered service. These trains were assigned non-streamlined steam locomotives and tenders for power by the three operating roads C&NW, UP and SP although the C&NW would assign there streamlined Hudson Locomotive & Tenders to the CHALLENGERS. The September 15, 1937 date is the date the CHALLENGERS began operating with the lightweight streamlined cars in there consists and all advertising associated with the CHALLENGERS mentioned streamlined after that date.

T&NO
SUNBEAM
(September 19, 1937)
By Al

On September 19, 1937 Southern Pacific subsidiary Texas & New Orleans inaugurated new eight-car streamlined trains between Dallas and Houston named the SUNBEAMS The new trains sported the same DAYLIGHT paint scheme of parent Southern Pacific’s DAYLIGHT. For power the T&NO streamlined three P-14 class 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotives and painted them and their Vanderbilt Tenders in DAYLIGHT colors to match. The new SUNBEAMS were scheduled over the 264-mile route in 4 ¾ hours. Beginning June 1, 1938 the schedule became non-stop between the two largest cities in Texas and the scheduled time was trimmed by twenty minutes to 4 hours 25 minutes in each direction. This was to meet the mile-a-minute timing of the Rock Island TEXAS ROCKET.

653 Streamlined P-14 class 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive & Tender

650 Baggage Car

450 48 Revenue seat Coach

500 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
501 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

502 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
503 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

700 32 Revenue seat Parlor Car

950 24-seat Dining 16 seat Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

654 Streamlined P-14 class 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive & Tender

651 Baggage Car

451 48-revenue seat Coach

504 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
505 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

506 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach
507 Articulated 50 Revenue seat Coach

701 32 Revenue seat Parlor Car

951 24-seat Dining 16 seat Lounge Observation

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 5, 2006 7:23 AM
A hearty, healthy good morning to all. Well, this starts off another week of "pinch hitting" for all who are away for a while. Cindy, I'll have a toasted English, butter and cuppa Joe to "break the ice." I see Mike has posted on the N.H. Besler "Steam Car" and streamlined steam locos of the N.Y.C. and C.P. As a kid, I was excited to see the innovations different Roads resorted to during the "Art Deco" period but was sad to see the trend was edging out those glorious stem monsters festooned with pumps, piping, injectors, feed water systems, et al. With all of this detail being shrouded over with plain, smooth sheet metal, it seemed sterile and "glitzy" to me. However, there were always the freight road locos, switchers and "hold outs" for traditional steam Buffs. The Frisco 4-6-2 version of streamlining was always a favorite of mine while many others just seemed grotesque. Perhaps the Pennsylvania Line retained the best integrity of the trend along with the West Coast counterpart, the S.P. 4-8-4. This is about the same time Traction car companies were turning to the early P.C.C.'s replacing the standard Peter Witts, St. Louis Cars, Brills and Bernies. Again, I didn't find the P.C.C. as interesting or varied as the older cars. They were far too quiet over turnouts, the motors were nearly silent and there was no hissing of air brakes or whinning of compressors which doesn't bring joy to a youngster's heart. Part of the ambience of going downtown was the cacaphony of traffic, squealing steel wheels and clanging of bells when you are grade school age. This is another reason I enjoy the recording I purchased from the Gift Shop at the Halton Co. Radial Rwy. Museum on our first "Rendesvous" to Toronto. Speaking of which, Rob your pix of the Boston and Kennebunkport excursion runs were surely appreciated.[^] It is so encouraging to see that folks younger than myslef have not let vintage traction "go the way of all flesh." [#offtopic], Your Toronto Police Force is really "on-the-ball" with nabbing the ring of Terrorists so quickly and professionally.[tup] It may be disturbing but such an event reminds us that we aren't "out of the woods" by a long shot. Anyhow, your assessment of our missing Cheif Chef[C=:-)] Nick is probably correct. It looks as if Inspector Clueless and Private Eye Doyle must be brought out of "moth balls" for this is no ordinary missing persons case. BTW, the reruns of Nick's past posts should give any new members a brief "M.O." of our "in house" gourmet.

At this point, there may be a disparity of numbers but quality and inter action remains intact. I hope Tom and Spouse are enjoying the best Alaska has to offer. The Pacific bounty of the sea brings back memories of Alaskan King Crab and so many other fresh varieties of delicacies that my mouth waters as I speak. I wonder if Alaska R.R. still runs full dining service on some of their trains? I shudder to think of the prices, however. Well, I've rambled enough for one moring's deposit and must attend to some over due correspondence. Happy rails all.
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Posted by coalminer3 on Monday, June 5, 2006 8:57 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house, and $ for the jukebox.

Mike – Thanks for the URLs.

Big Ed Walsh pitched for the White Sox from 1904-1916 and pitched for the Boston Braves in 1917. He had a lifetime 195-126 W-L record with a (get this!) career ERA of 1.82. Along the way he pitched 58 shutouts. He started 315 games lifetime, and pitched 250 complete games (2964 IP). Big Ed was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1946. He was a fairly good sized man; 6’1” tall 193 lbs. Well, enough of that for now.

Al – Thanks for much additional information.

Then we have – one of my favorite train names of all time – The Egyptian Zipper (no Boris, it’s a train not an exotic dancer). The C&EI also had, IIRC a “St. Louis Zipper” as well.

Also thanks to all for encores.

Happy belated birthday to John!

Rob – I remember riding on those MTA cars – it’s scary when my childhood is in a museum.

Herewith a previously-posted reminiscence of the Boston subway. ubway

Riding the subway was always an adventure. The Boston subway was old when I was growing up. There were not as many stations then (sit and read the stations marked on the glass map in the holder beside the car door; Harvard, Central, Kendall, Charles, Park St., Washington, South Station, Broadway, Andrew Columbia, Fields Corner, Shawmut, and Ashmont - that was it), and the trains only ran as far as Harvard Square, although the streetcars ran out to Arlington, but that’s another story for another time.

Most of the time we rode the bus to get to Harvard Square. This involved a walk to the corner, crossing there and waiting at the bus stop. There was not much of a sidewalk to stand on as the concrete, or what had been concrete was pretty well broken up. There was a lot of dirt and sand and a few tree roots sticking up, but that was about all. The traffic was much more interesting than trying to write my name in the dirt with the toe of my shoe and getting yelled at by my mother for “scuffing up your good shoes.” Trucks were, of course, smaller and noisier. I always looked for Macks, especially the ones with chain drive since they made a glorious racket as they rolled past. Lowbeds (which is what they were called then) with construction equipment were good, too. The bus would come in time and we’d get on, pay the fare and sit down. There was a fare box at the front of the bus which automatically counted the money as the passengers dropped it into the slot on the top of the box. It made a neat “clinka-clinka-clinka” money-counting sound.

After awhile, we’d cross the bridge at Fresh Pond that went over the Boston and Maine’s four-track main line. There was always something to see there, even if it was just a cut of freight cars, but usually I’d get lucky and see at least a switch engine pushing cars around, mostly for Bethlehem Steel which had a fabricating operation to the north and west of the bridge. The New England Brick Company, which burned in a spectacular fire one Halloween night when I was about 12 years old, was just to the west of the bridge, and the Dewey and Almy chemical plant glowered threateningly in the distance. The brick company stretched for several hundred feet along the B&M tracks and when it did burn it was a total loss. We could see the flames from the top of one of the hills in the neighborhood when we went out trick or treating and terrorizing the neighbors. Past the bridge was a rotary, and the bus slewed around there, thumped across a railroad siding that served a coal and lumber yard, and headed into Cambridge.

The buildings were different here, wooden triple deckers and brick commercial structures with stores on the ground floor and apartments above them.
I wondered what it would be like to live in a place where if you wanted something to cook for dinner all you had to do was go downstairs and buy it - not bad. The store windows were full of canned goods stacked in pyramids and there were usually placards or posters in the windows advertising the wonders that awaited within at incredibly low prices - this week only! One week faded into another, however, and the incredibly low prices remained from week to week. Some markets had outside displays of fruit and vegetables where customers could pick what they wanted and have it weighed, bagged and paid for; all outside. A lot of the stores had cloth awnings which the store owners raised or lowered by using a long wooden pole with a crank at one end. The storekeeper stuck the pole into a receptacle at one end of the awning and turned the crank at the bottom of the pole. ‘Round and ‘round it went and the awning rolled up or down. The parade of stores passed by the window, stores selling food, clothing, furniture, funeral parlors, flower shops, restaurants and package stores. In the alleys between the buildings were stacks of garbage cans and here and there a garage, radiator shop or a store that fixed radios, TV’s, or small appliances. Television was just starting to make its influence felt and the tops of many buildings had silvery TV antennas sprouting upward among the clotheslines.

A little closer to the end of the ride, we’d see the wires for the electric buses or “trackless trolleys” which ran through the center of Cambridge. The trackless trolleys were noiseless, but every so often a blue cracking arc of electricity between the overhead wire and the poles on the bus would remind me of what they ran on. Traffic was always heavy through here, but even a metropolitan Boston driver respected a Twin Coach product. Squeezing through a narrow space between a dark blue Plymouth station wagon, two bright yellow Checker taxis, and a coal truck, the bus braked to a stop, the driver opened the door and we were at Harvard Square.

The subway station was in the middle of Harvard Square. It was a low gray stone structure with a metal roof and some ornamental iron work. In red letters above the doors was a sign which said “Rapid Transit to All Points - Eight Minutes to Park Street.” People were always in a hurry there and it was hard to get a chance to take in all of the activity. You had a choice of walking down the stairs or riding a narrow wooden escalator to get to the station’s “lobby.” Here was a change booth and turnstiles. The process was quite simple - shove a dollar bill through the slot in the glass window and get some subway tokens and some change pushed back to you by the bored looking man sitting inside. Then take a token, put it in the slot in the turnstile and push your way through. Little kids rode for a nickel and had to reach up to drop their nickels into a change counter which was pretty similar to the one on the bus. That done, we went down the stairs to the platform and waited for the train.

Harvard Square Station was on two levels. The upper level, which allowed passengers quick access to buses and trackless trolleys without going outside, was for trains coming from Boston. Inbound (to Boston) passengers boarded their trains on the lower level. There was a single track on each level. The upper level went to the car barn (actually an open area for car storage) which was occupied a space near the Charles River between the Harvard University campus and Memorial Drive.

I always liked going by the yard when driving into Boston. Row on row of subway cars sat parked on the tracks waiting for their next trip. Sometimes, trains ran past the Harvard Square station to the yard to discharge passengers going to a football game at Harvard Stadium which was just across the Charles River. I remember walking by the yard a few times when going to the stadium with my father or uncle to see a football game. There was a cement and brick wall around the yard which had a few gaps in it and I wished I was taller so I could see more of the trains behind the wall. I could hear trains approaching the station from Boston as they pulled in above me and the entire station rumbled and shook with a deep, menacing, growl which was almost deafening because of the confined space in the station.

Just about all of the old Harvard Square station was ripped out in the late 60s and early 70s when the subway was extended from Harvard Square to Alewife, so what I’m about to describe no longer exists. As I mentioned, the subway line was single track with a high level platform to let people board and leave the trains quickly. The track resembled that of a regular railroad, except that a third rail was mounted outside the right rail. The third rail carried the electricity which powered the subway car’s traction motors. Every so often on the third rail was some white lettering which said “DANGER - THIRD RAIL DO NOT TOUCH!” I was concerned most of the time that I might fall off the platform, touch the third rail and be instantly fried, so I never got too close to the edge of the platform. Everyone knew of somebody that had been fried because they weren’t paying attention - never mind that there was no hard evidence of anyone ever being fried, except for a drunk in South Boston or some despondent person who threw themselves onto the tracks as the train pulled into the station, the thought of being electrocuted frying, swelling up and bursting into a million fragments was enough. The track was not really ballasted but sat in what appeared to be deep layers of grime, oily dirt, dust, candy wrappers and old newspapers; I suppose there were ties underneath that mess somewhere. The walls were dingy white porcelain tile and there were brightly colored advertising signs attached to them at intervals. Most of the signs I remember advertised Wrigley’s gum. Behind me was a brightly lighted newsstand which sold Boston papers, candy bars cigarettes and cigars (in those more innocent days), and magazines. The station itself was not well lighted. Rather there were a few bulbs that tried ineffectually to pierce the darkness. I found that I could see pretty well once I got used to it. I tried to get close enough to the edge of the platform so I could see up the track to where the tunnel coming from the car barn curved away, but not close enough so that I might fall off, wind up against the dreaded third rail and be fried - INSTANTLY!!!

After awhile I could hear a train coming. It sounded differently than did the ones on the upper level as the noise was not as deep. I could hear the wheels squealing around the curve from the yard and hear the hollow whistling sound of the brakes being applied as the motorman brought it closer to the station. Then, there it was - four red lights marking the corners of the lead car, the blue-uniformed motorman sitting in the cab with one hand on the controller. The train of dirty, green painted, steel cars clomped into the station and screeched to a stop. The wooden doors banged open and the passengers began boarding the train.

These cars were not luxurious, they were utilitarian in the best sense of the word since they had been built to last through years and years of hard service. The windows would be open if the weather was warm and I could smell the pungent sweet scent of oil and warm traction motors. A compressor cut in under one of the cars with an urgent “lunga, lunga, lunga” sound, and then cut off with a harsh snap of air under pressure. It would be time to leave pretty soon and I made sure to try and get a seat near an open window so I could see everything. One feature of these cars I remember was a map of the MTA system in a glass panel by the door. I wonder now and then how much one of those would bring if offered at a memorabilia auction. Enough of that, though, it was time to go. The doors banged shut, “snuuffaaa,” went the air brakes, the traction motors groaned into action and the train began moving forward slowly at first, then much faster. I don’t think we really went all that fast, but the fact that the windows were open and we were in a tunnel gave the illusion of really moving rapidly. Central was the next stop, just a short distance from Harvard Square. The section of the line from Central to Kendall was about the longest stretch between stops and the train really moved along here. The noise was thrilling, palpable, and altogether wonderful. You truly could not, as my mother always said, “Hear yourself think.” The racket was redoubled whenever we met a train. The other train roared past us in a blur of lights. This was what it was all about - going some place fast.

Years later I read a passage in a novel by Thomas Wolfe in which the hero, tormented by a desire to be everywhere, see everything, and absorb all of life’s experience in the process, would ride the subway from Cambridge to Boston and see if he could hold his breath between stops - I did this when I was five years old and enthralled by Little Golden Books rather than the Sage of Asheville. The run from Central to Kendall was a long one, whether I held my breath or not.

I mentioned that I tried to sit by the window. Deciding which side to sit on was a tough decision. Inbound the left side was the track side which would allow me a closeup view of the trains we met. The right hand side of the train would give me a good view of the Boston skyline when the train exited the tunnel and climbed over the bridge from Cambridge to Boston. Most of the time I chose the left side because from there I could see a lot of industrial buildings and in the distance the smokestack of the Boston and Maine’s roundhouse at Mystic. Peering ahead I could see it was getting lighter as we got closer to the tunnel portal. A rush and a clank and we were out of the tunnel for a little while and back into the daylight.

Up we went across the bridge to the Charles Street station. A brief stop there and then back into the tunnel underneath the storied streets of Beacon Hill. The train swung around a right hand curve before plunging back into the darkness. On the left was the frowning hulk of the infamous Charles Street jail; an ancient facility even when I was young. A roast beef sandwich stand was on the street right beside the prison walls. Legend had it that their sandwiches were so bad that the inmates would throw them back over the wall when kind hearted folks tossed a bag of them into the prison yard. A quick glance out the window allowed me to sort of see into the jail before the train plunged back into the tunnel. Park Street Under was the next station and we often got off there to transfer to another train, but sometimes we rode to Washington Street which is where the big department stores were. Still other times, we rode to South Station when we were going to ride the New Haven Railroad; always a great adventure. Beyond South Station lay unknown territory. I explored that later when I was older and started riding the subway by myself.

Park Street was about the biggest station on the MTA system. It had two levels. The subway was on the lower level and streetcars ran on the upper level. Historically, the oldest section of the entire MTA system was the one that ran into the upper level at Park Street. Some of the old Type 5 cars were still around when I was small, but mostly I remember riding on PCC’s. The PCCs were painted traction orange with a stripe separating the orange-colored lower half of the car from the cream-colored upper part of the car. The PCC’s ran from overhead wire so there was no danger of getting fried on the third rail. The PCC cars also did not run from a high level platform as did the subway cars. Park Street was a little better lighted than some of the other subway stops. The PCCs ran underground and on the surface and would take you virtually anywhere you wanted to go in the city.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 11:02 AM
Good monday morning gents. Cinday a hot cuppa and a lars speacial sandwich if you please. I'm gratified that yesterday went so well. i had a line of T storms come through so I did not log back on for a round two of photo's yesterday. Al,Ted,Mike Thanks for picking up the slack gents [tup]

Al The multiple streamliners were welcome respite to what could have been a very slooooow day.Thanks for pitching in sir. [tup]

Ted Ah yes well since you have a "history " witht he good inspector and Mr Doyle I shall nominate you to set up,the posse amd search out our wayward chief chef. I do hope that he did not end up in all that cement he was troweling a few weeks back [:O][xx(]

It was a bit off putting to see that so many were arrested in that sting in Toronto. From what I understand though they had been working on that "group" for a couple of years. Nice to see all the levels of responsibility work so well together. Federal CSIS & RCMP, Provincial OPP and local Metro Toronto Police. Hopefully they don't have many other "friends" out there. [tdn]

I;m glad that that old record has proved to be helpfull in your animating of the layout,i have another set of transit sots that I will post up tioday from a cahrter were took in in Philly in 1992.More neat PCC shots.

CM3 I love the MTA story second time or is it third. At any rate a fine fine piece of "Our Places" archieval history ! [tup] This post should have won you a second Silver throttle award. Oh Ted since you were the creator and judger of the STA, what say you of this fine fine MTA post [?] I love those old type 5's from Boston they habe the right sound. I suppose that I'm in the same boat. Whne I was a kid TTC was all PCC now they are all gone and in museum's. Time marches on eh [?]

Mike Thanks for the url's sir, nice to know that we can count on our crack research dept. To find all the appropraite info [tup]

Back soon

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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 11:11 AM
Okay folks here uis part two of yesterdays transit shots, a little late but I'm sure that you will get a kick out of them anyway.This was charter that my wife and the gang from the ,museum took in in late summer 1992. Right before this line was closed down. Subsiquently this line has been reactivated in late 2005 with the same PCC's ! They were completely refurbished with the latest ultra quiet and fast "chopper" motors that the more modern LRV's are equipped with.

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And at the end of the trip they stopped in strassbourg on the way home ( typical railfans )






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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 11:26 AM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

A classic steam encore for everyone to puruse this aftrenoon. This first appeared on page 183
enjoy Rob

CNR STEAM #7... PASSENGER TRAINS AT PALMERSTON ONTARIO

As taken from Ian Wilson's Steam Over Palmerston.

Palmerston is a town close to my heart. i've only visited it once but my Great Grandfather ( Mom's granddad ) was a section man / track walker based out of Palmerston. So I have been told many a story about these times in the 40's and 50's. Mom grew op in Listowell not far from this at the time important division point on CNR's mid Ontario branchlines.

Passenger switching Moves at Palmerston

Prior to Sept. 30,1956 , London trains 168 and 170 arrived on the north leg of wye and backed into the dog leg. After sept 30, train 168 arrived on the south leg of wye to facilitate the transfer of mail car to train 169. Southhampton trains 178 and M330 arrived on Owen Sound mainline,and cars were switched to adjacent yard lead after unloading. Kincardine trains 176 and M332 arrived on North leg of wye and backed into dog leg. after unloading , cars from Kincardine trains were removed from dog leg to make room for loading of Southhampton trains ( late in steam era M332,began arriving on Owen Sound mainline, backing in behind M330 ). Outgoing Kincardine trainswere backed from yard lead through crossovers, and forward to load on the Newton sub mainline ( generally upon arrival of train for Owen Sound ).

All trains to and from Owen Sound arrived on Owen Sound mainline. Engines off 172 and 174 backed onto cars left on yard lead. Engine then worked train around the wye to load on ( and leave from ) opposite side of the station. After sept 30, 1956 , 169 loaded on Owen Sound mainline, with mail car off 168 added to consist. At departrure, train backed to, then left from,north leg of the wye. All Southampton trains left from the dog leg. All trains for Kincardine left from Newton sub mainline. Durham mixed arrived on,and left from, Owen Sound mainline.


CARS

Consists of 173 from Hamilton,and 175 from Toronto went to Owen Sound,and returned to originating terminals on trains 174 and 172 respectivly. At Palmerston, cars as required from London trains were cycled to Southampton and return ( 168 to M329, 170 to 179, 178 to 169, M330 to 171 ). Through the end of steam, RPO cars worked from Hamilton to Park Head and return on 173 and 174 , and from Toronto to Owen Sound and return on 175 and 172. Untill sept 29 1956 , RPO's worked from London to Southampton and return on, 170, 179, M330 & 171 and 168 , M329,178 & 169/29. And from Palmerston to Kincardine and return on M331 & 176. Mailwas also handled bynbaggage cars on Durham trains M333 & M 334. and Kincardine trains 177 & M332. Effective sept 30,1956, all mail service on Southampton,Kincardine,and Durham subdivisions was cancelled. as a result, RPO's dissapeared from 170 & 171, and the RPO off 168 at Palmerston returned to London the same morning on 169/29 ( necessitiating a schedule change and revised operating procedures at palmerston )

The Passenger Trains


Number 168

Left London at 6am, after making connections with train 14, the Chicago-Montreal International Limited . At Stratford, cnnected with Goderich-Toronto train 28, Stratford-Sarnia train 601, and Stratford - Fort Erie M219. Scheduled meet with counterpart 169 at Milverton ( effective sept 30/56, departure time changed to enable 168 to arrive at Palmerston before 169 left ). At Palmerston,connected with Hamilton-Owen Sound train 173.

Number 169

From Palmerston,train to Stratford and London morning connection for Owen Sound-Toronto train 172,Kincardine-Palmerston train 176, and Southampton-Palmerston train 178. See number 168 for meeting times on Newton sub. At Stratford,connected to train 29 from Toronto. Consist of train 29 proceeded to Goderich as number 35. Consist of train 169 proceeded to London as number 29,where it connected with train 17 the Montreal-Chicago International Limited , and it's Windsor/Detroit section 117.Equipment off 29 at London worked to Port Huron and back on trains 17 and 20. In the eveining,these cars headed back to Palmerston on 170.

Number 170

Left London at 6:25pm,after connecting with train 620 from Sarnia. At Stratford,connected with Toronto-London train 11 ( connection disscontinued sept.30/56) At Palmerston,connected with Toronto-Owen Sound train 175.

Number 171

From Palmerston, train was Stratford and London afternoon connection for Owen-Sound-Hamilton train 174,Kincardine-Palmerston M332 and Southampton-Palmerston M330. See trains 168 and 170.

Number 172

Left Owen Sound at 5:50 am. At Palmerston,made connection with 176 from Kincardine,and 178 from Southampton and 169 for London.

Number 173

Left hamilton at 8:50 am. Connected with trains 27 and 29 at Guelph.In the 40's at Guelph an express car and two coaches from Toronto were lifted from 29,and placed at the rear of the hamilton cars. These came off at Palmerston,and were added to the tail end of number 174, and switched to train 34 at Guelph.Number 173 picked up an express car from number 27 at Guelph. At Palmerston,173 connecte dwith mixed trains to Kincardine,Southampton.and Durham,made connections to M337 for Wiarton and set an RPO out for Park Head.

Number 174

Left Owen Sound at 1:45pm. Usually lifted express car off Wiarton M336 at Park Head. Connected at Palmerston with mixed trains from Southampton,Kincardine,and Durham. Connected with trains 34 and 36 at Guelph. In the 1950's, express car was set off for no 36 at Guelph.


Number 175

Left Toronto at 5:35pm.At Palmerston,conected with train 170 from London,train 177 for Kincardine,and train 179 for Southampton.

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Posted by passengerfan on Monday, June 5, 2006 4:51 PM
Good Afternoon Gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.

CRI&P
PEORIA ROCKET
(September 19, 1937)
161 miles
By Al

The first of the Rock Island four car TA powered lightweight streamlined trains to enter service was the PEORIA ROCKET inaugurated September 19, 1937 between Chicago and Peoria on a twice daily round trip schedule. The PEORIA ROCKET began its first of two daily round trips from Peoria at 7:00 AM arriving in Chicago at 9:35 AM covering the 161 miles in 2 hours 35 minutes. The PEORIA ROCKET made scheduled stops at Bureau, La Salle, Ottawa, Morris, Joliet, and Englewood on its run between Peoria and Chicago. This became one of the longest duration ROCKETS on the Rock Island. This was the second of the TA powered trains to enter service. These Budd built cars were not of standard height but were able to be coupled to standard height lightweight or heavyweight cars and the diaphragms matched so that passengers were able to pass from car to car. The first three cars in the PEORIA ROCKET train set were articulated.

601 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

400 JOLIET Articulated Baggage Kitchen 40 Revenue seat Coach Dinette
306 OTTAWA Articulated 60 Revenue seat Coach
300 LA SALLE Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

450 PEORIA 36 seat Parlor 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room Lounge Observation

CRI&P
DES MOINES ROCKET
(September 25, 1937)
358 miles
by Al

On September 25, 1937 the Rock Island inaugurated the DES MOINES ROCKET between Des Moines, Iowa and Chicago round trip daily. The DES MOINES ROCKET route between Des Moines and Chicago was 358 miles with scheduled stops at Newton, Grinell, Marengo, Iowa City, West Liberty, Davenport, Rock Island, Moline, Bureau, La Salle, Ottawa, Joliet, and Englewood. In spite of the number of scheduled and conditional stops the DES MOINES ROCKET covered the distance in 6 hours each direction. The consist of the DES MOINES ROCKET was four cars with the first three articulated identical to the PEORIA ROCKET.

603 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

401 NORMAN JUDD Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 seat Dinette Coach
307 GRENVILLE DODGE Articulated 60 Revenue seat Coach
301 HENRY FARNAM Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

451 L.M. ALLEN 36 Revenue seat Parlor 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room Lounge Observation

CRI&P
KANSAS CITY-MINNEAPOLIS ROCKET
(September 29, 1937)
493 miles
By Al

The Rock Island inaugurated the two three car TA powered ROCKET train sets between Kansas City and Minneapolis on September 29, 1937. The 493-mile route was scheduled for a running time of 8 hours 40 minutes in either direction for an average speed of 56 mph. The KANSAS CITY- MINNEAPOLIS ROCKETS made scheduled stops at Excelsior Springs, Trenton, Chariton, Des Moines, Iowa City, Mason City, Manly, Albert Lea, Owatonna, Faribault, and St. Paul.

604 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

404 ARROW HEAD Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 Revenue seat Dinette Coach
304 CHIPPEWA Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

454 MINNESOTA 28 Revenue seat Coach Bar 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

SECOND CONSIST

605 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

405 MESABI Articulated Baggage 32 seat Dinette Coach
305 IOWAY Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

455 MISSOURI 28 Revenue seat Coach Bar 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

CRI&P
DENVER - KANSAS CITY ROCKET
(October 18, 1937)
By Al


On October 18, 1937 the Rock Island inaugurated the last of the six ROCKETS powered by the EMC TA. This ROCKET ran between Kansas City and Denver westbound one day returning eastbound the next with no service provided on Wednesday’s. This route was the first to lose ROCKET service when the equipment was transferred to another ROCKET schedule after February 13, 1938. The Rock Island painted one of their Doodlebugs in full Rocket colors to provide a connection between Limon and Colorado Springs, Colorado with this ROCKET service.
Leaving Kansas City the train made scheduled or conditional stops at Topeka, McFarland, Manhattan, Clay Center, Belleville, Mankato, Smith Center, Phillipsburg, Norton, Colby, Goodland, Burlington, and Limon. It was originally intended to assign two three car ROCKETS to this route but instead the Rock Island inaugurated the TEXAS ROCKET to compete with the SUNBEAMS of the T&NO. In any event it is doubtful if the route would have been any more successful with two consists providing daily service in each direction. The Union Pacific owned the fastest and shortest route between Kansas City and Denver and although they had no streamliners assigned to the route at that time they did have some fine heavyweight trains on faster schedules then the Rock Island DENVER – KANSAS CITY ROCKET.

606 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

403 BEAR LAKE Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 Revenue seat Dinette Coach
303 MT. EVANS Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

453 PIKES PEAK 28 Revenue seat Coach Bar 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

B&O
ROYAL BLUE
COLUMBIAN
(December 9, 1937)
By Al

The B&O placed another streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE consist in service December 9, 1937 with the earlier streamlined heavyweight ROYAL BLUE consist being renamed the COLUMBIAN and both consists remained in Jersey City - Washington service. This gave the B&O two streamlined consists between Jersey City and Washington daily at a time when the rival PRR wasn’t offering a single streamliner between New York and Washington. The new train entered service just before the Christmas rush of 1937.

Unknown Presidential 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive & Tender

1301 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach Combination

3521 68 Revenue seat Coach

3513 54 Revenue seat Coach

3514 54 Revenue seat Coach

3066 7-seat Lunch Counter 38 Revenue seat Coach

1076 44 seat Dining Car

2111 26 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Drawing Room

3301 Buffet Lounge Solarium

Reading
CRUSADER
(December 13, 1937)
90 miles
by Al

The Reading inaugurated the CRUSADER December 13, 1937 a five car stainless steel consist from Budd with a round end Observation at each end of the streamliner. The CRUSADER operated between Jersey City and Philadelphia on a twice-daily round trip schedule. A pair of 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotive’s and Tenders were streamlined with fluted stainless steel panels to match the trailing Budd built consist. The Tenders were rebuilt so the rounded Observation seemed to provide a smooth transition between the tender and the rest of the trailing train set. The CRUSADER covered the ninety miles between Jersey City and Philadelphia in a flat 90 minutes for an average speed of 60-mph. Because the CRUSADER was double ended it did not require turning at terminals. The Reading simply turned the power and reversed the seats in the cars for the return trip to Philadelphia. The two locomotives 117 and 118 were based in Philadelphia with one completing the Philadelphia – Jersey City morning round trip and the other completing the afternoon round trip. A pair of EMD FP7As operating back to back in 1948 replaced the Reading 117 and 118 streamlined Pacific Steam Locomotives originally assigned to the CRUSADER and the steam locomotives minus their streamlining were assigned elsewhere.

118 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific Locomotive & Tender

1 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

2 56 Revenue seat Coach with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

3 32-seat Dining 22 seat Lounge Car

4 56 Revenue seat Coach with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

5 56 Revenue seat Coach Observation with 14 seat Smoking Lounge

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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 10:01 PM
Good evening Leon, your looking a tad board at the moment . Been a bit of a slow evening, least the hockey game has been entertaining.[tup][:D] Here's another Classic stream encore for everyone to mull over this evening.[^]

ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

This first appeared back on page # 191

Rob

CNR Classic Steam #9 Speacial Steam Frieghts on the Niagara Frontier

Thorrold Switchers

Niagara Falls to Thorold and return same day. Originally one morning assignment. Between sept 30,1945,and april 28, 1946 a second switcher was added. Both ran in the mornings,several hours appart. Circa oct 28 1957 this was cut to a single train during the navigation season. Main task was to serve the Ontario Paper company at lock 7 of the Welland Canal. train would also interchange traffic with the NS&T's electric frieght division in Thorold and Merriton.Heaveu Consolidation main locomotive of choice.


The St Thomas Way Freight

Circa april of 1940 , switching extras that left Fort Erie Tues, Thurs,& sat, for Jarvis and return.Re-classed as a way frieght in april of 1945.Frequency doubled and the territory was expanded to St Thomas so train began leaving Ft Erie M,W,Fri and leavung St Thomas Tues,thurs,& Sat. This assignment was handled by a 1600 series wabash class J2 Pacific. In the 50's 1951 on Wabash SW8's 122-127 handled this run.The train carried a CNR caboose and was jointly operated,CNR and Wabash alternated crewing this train every six months.Effective 1953 Wabash with drew their crews for the local swtiching on the St Thomas division in favour of all CNR crews. Served all local industries. CNR operated train with heavy consolidations until dieselized in 1957 wwith SW1200RS's and GP7's.

Welland way freight

Niagara Fall's to Welland way freight or switcher,returnung the same day. Became known as a way frieght in april of 1945. A joint CNR/Wabash service ( ie CN could handle the Wabash cars ), although this was infrequent as the line handled very little Waba***raffic. Main jop was to service the Cyanamid plant in Port Robinson. Train only operated as far as Port Robinson after 1959. Consolidations in the 2300/2400 series were the power of choice,dieselized after 1958 by SW1200RS's and GP7's.

Enjoy more later.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 10:07 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

A second part to this evenings encore,part 2 of the speacial CNR freights article also from page # 191

Rob


Here's another CN Steam recollection.

Classic CNR Steam # 10 CNR speacial Frights Part 2

Merriton Switcher

Niagara Falls - Merriton,later known as the Niagara Falls-Merriton Road switcher. Night assignment through 1952,became evening assignment during the first half of 1953. Normally ran as a caboose hop to Merriton.Switched cars off the NS&T transfer ( CN trains used front tracks of station. Thje NS&T passenger cars off the interurban district loaded behind the station and they owned the yard. Station was a standard GT type two located right in the Grimsby sub mainline,sane type as Museumm's rockwood statton. Merriton station burnt down in 1998).This train then lined up cars for road trains 464 and 461. After the last NS&T job arrived and the transfer was clear, the switcher switched out any set offs and placed them in the yard for the NS&T's specific customers. Untill spring of 1954, the switcher waited for an express car off #84,then helped 461 make a set off.Niagara Falls bound cars were put onto train 461 to allieviate the beed for a pilot on the switcher. Switcher followed 461 into Niagara Falls as a caboose hop. After the spring of 1954 the Merriton switcher began returning to the falls at midnight, powered by Consolidations until deisilization.

Pilot Assignments

Operated between Niagara Falls , Merriton , and Thorold. Typically a morning and afternoon assignment.Most often a heavy Mikado assigned to Niagara falls,but any available power laying over from other assignments could be used. This was a helper for the Thorold sub hill that climbed the escarpment by lock 7 of the Welland canal. 2-3.5% grade worst in S Ontario.

Toronto-St Catharines Fruit Extras

Less-than-carload express pickup train,operated in season.Engine several "blowers" and/pr express refridgerator cars and rider coach left Toronto in the morning.Empty cars were left at points along the Grimsby subdivision. Lifted carload traffic as well.Fruit was destined for Toronto and beyond. Normal power was a light Pacific through 1655 season. SW1200RS took over after1956 no coach at this point.

Hamiltin-St Catharines Fruit Extras

Operated Hamilton-Mimico via St Catharines during the peak fruit season,this train ran almost daily. Ordered for early afternoon out of Hamilton as a caboose hop,tender first! ( occationally empties were set off but not often )Proceeded to Jordan,St Catharines,or Merriton as ordered. Lifted loaded express refridgerator cars of fruit all the way to Winnona.Whenever possible,the dispatcher issued a work order for both tracks.Once off the Grimsby sub,train highballed to Mimico,with the exception of a stop at the canal on the Beach sub( Burlington Bay ). At Mimico, a new engine and caboose took over the train,which wasted little time in proceeding to Montreal.Usually powered by a light Pacific ( occationally a Mogul or Consolidation ) all engines assigned to Hamilton. Northerns or better took over at Mimico. Train was dieselized in 1958.

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Posted by trolleyboy on Monday, June 5, 2006 10:18 PM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Since poor Doug is still without computer I figured that I would reroll another of his fine efforts from the back pages of "Our Place"Justr another gem of railroading past.[tup]
Enjoy again

Rob

QUOTE: Originally posted by barndad


My next submission is on the RPO (Railroad Post Office), and isn't one I'm too proud of. The subject matter is interesting, but the way it was told is not. But you be the judge. I included some pix to help it along. Here's Part I

Sorting on the Road by Don Rohrer – Rail Classics Jan. 1984



The last mail car has departed and the Railway Mail Service remains only in memory, as a bright and unique chapter of our railroad history.

The Post Office Department, perhaps purposely, failed to publicly recognize the mobile organization. To the vast majority of Americans the RMS was an unknown quantity. The average observer was inclined to fix the express messenger, baggageman and railway mail clerk into the same category.

Nevertheless, for a full century the RMS, with an interlocking system of trains and distribution expertise, provided the main trunk in delivering the mails before the advent of the zip code and the electronic sorting machine.

In spite of lack of recognition, the road clerks were a proud and productive group. Team work was essential to successful operation, and clerks responded with an amazing esprit de corps.

To best interpret RMS action, we wi***o take you for a ride with an R.P.O. crew on a fairly typical trip in 1966. With the RMS on its last wheels, we will occasionally refer back to more vital days in RMS annals.

St. Paul, Minnesota in the winter can serve up a first-class blizzard and biting, cold wind was sweeping through the Milwaukee Road yards one 5 a.m. As I walked out to the Chicago and Minneapolis mail car, part of the consist of the Twin City Hiawatha which was on track No. 11. The Hiawathas were still superb trains in 1966, sleek and streamlined flyers, bearing the Milwaukee Road’s traditional orange and maroon colors. The locomotives were powerful 3600 hp diesels. Inaugurated in the early ‘thirties, the original Hiawathas were quite spectacular, with locomotives patterned after Britain’s Flying Scotsman, sporting shrouded boilers and skirted wheels and consists of a dozen shining coaches, with distinctive beaver-tailed observation cars bringing up the rear.

With my sheepskin coat pulled up around my ears, I banged on the mail car door until Basil Loney flung it open. I was grateful to be able to climb into the welcome warmth of the “Minnie.” I exchanged greetings and observed the crew as I set my road-grip on the counter in front of my Illinois letter case and changed into my working clothes.

Five subs (substitutes) in a crew of fifteen. Not too encouraging. It was reassuring, however to see Old Wall Erickson at the pouch case, the core of our operation. A good performance there was essential to a successful trip. Incidentally, our organization included another capable Wallace Erickson, dubbed Young Wall.

The pouch and paper racks had already been set up and labeled, and headers and slips run in the letter cases, by the time the mail handlers arrived with the first load of pouches and sacks. A freezing blast of cold air and snow swept through the car when Norm Podratz, the paper case man, opened the door. Old Wall helped him take in the mail, while I checked off the pouches as they were called. The rest of the crew formed a chain gang and relayed the pouches and sacks up or down the aisle to their assigned stalls. The #1 and #2 mails close by for first attention, and the #3 – for distant states – farther down the 90-foot car, to be worked later.

Our immediate task was to “get the jump on it” in the yards. To “clean up” the mails, to avoid “going stuck,” was the primary goal of the railway mail crews. If there were unworked mail at the end of the trip, the boss would be forced to come up with a reason. One of the few acceptable excuses was “sub in crew.” These poor subs really earned their stripes!

There existed within the ranks an esprit de corps of the kind needed for swift, sustained and cooperative action.

The clerks were required also to devote much time between trips to the study of schemes and schedules. An example of the knowledge needed, Platteville, Wisconsin, alone had eight different supplies, depending on our location on the line.

I put substitute *** Kelly dumping pouches. He was a new hand, and knew very little about distribution. Basil Loney picked up the first bundles of letters to hit the table and returned quickly to his “hot” local letter case. Other clerks continued to assist at the pouch and paper tables, tossing directs, and mail for connecting RPO lines, into their respective pouches and sacks, until their own stated working packages arrived.

Harry Anderson, the registery clerk, had caught up on his mixed letters, and as no “reds” had arrived as yet, prepared coffee. Mail lock coffee it was called; when it was think enough to float a mail lock it was considered satisfactory.

The Great Northern and the Northern Pacific trains, due from the west coast with our heaviest deliveries, had been delayed by the storm and had not yet arrived. However, we had taken on extra loads from earlier trains that had missed their regular connections. Shortly after 8 a.m. our “drop” load arrived – and we were ready to take off. Our train was hardly ever held back, for we were geared to important connections in Chicago.

At 8:15 a.m. we felt our big road engines hook on, directly ahead, but we failed to hear the rattle of closing couplings and suspected that something was awry. We tried to peer out the windows, but they were completely frosted over. We were a world unto ourselves, in the center of an icy gale.

“Better sit down,” Ron Kiel cautioned. “We’re frozen to the rails.” The engineer had to jump the cars several times before breaking them loose. If we had tried to remain standing we would have been knocked to the floor.

We didn’t highball out of the yards as usual and our pace was greatly modified on the curving stretch down the river. Since we were up on the local mails, we sat down to cold sandwiches and hot coffee.

I noticed Kelly nodding over his food. He had been dumping and closing pouches since starting work, and he was bushed. “Take over for ***, will you, Tiny?” I asked giant Art Sederholm. To Kelly I said, “Take out the directs on Tiny’s case. He’ll work the residue later.”

Besides me Bill Pinette muttered, “In the old days we had wooden cars and iron men instead of iron cars and wooden men.” That joke too was an oldie.

[B)] Hmmmm ...is this interesting yet? [B)]


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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 7:18 AM
Good morning all

Rob, any idea what town that is in the pictures of the PCC? Sure is a cool machine to look at it turning the corner like it's turned that corner a million times, knowing exactly where it's going.
Your encores are getting me nostalgic for the good old days of locating Kincardine in the atlas.

CM3, cool stories of your father on the Comet, and your MTA rides too. There are 3 more pictures of the Comet, incidentally. Stop me if you've already seen them. Thanks for the stats on Ed Walsh.

http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&pm_OI=362&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_relate=362

http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_OI=361&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_result=0

http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_OI=363&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_result=1
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New Haven Railroad's 1st electric train to New York in 1907
http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_OI=304&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_result=1

New Haven engine 1406 Streamlined 4-6-4
http://quest.lib.uconn.edu:20027/enc36ui/servlet/LogicRouter?PAGE=object&OUTPUTXSL=object_enc36ui.xslt&pm_RC=R_RAILRDDB&pm_OI=292&pm_GT=Y&pm_IAC=Y&api_1=GET_OBJECT_XML&num_result=177

Ted, the streamlined steam engines remind me of science fiction, like Buck Rogers or something. The way of the future as it was imagined at the time. Sorry to put another one. Here's a couple pics with unstreamlined steam:
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/HOB-train10.jpg
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4067_norfolk_&_western_terminal_roanoke_va_1943.jpg

Al, from Cheyenne to Ogden on the Forty-Niner, the UP 7002 was the jinxed locomotive that Dave posted about a few weeks ago, the "widow maker."

Encore url of The Royal Blue is still a great picture
http://www.cvrma.org/pictures/MISC/dfrr4020_b&o_royalblue_1835_thomas_viaduct_jerseycity_nj1940.jpg

Encore url of The Super Chief east of Trinidad, Colorado on May 19, 1937 is still a grey picture
http://photoswest.org/photos/00002001/00002112.jpg

Rock Island motor car / doodlebug / whatever
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/equipment/OsborneBureau/RocketJR.jpg

Pretty sure the Rock Island train I have remembered since age 3 was pulled by Electromotive TA.
The "T" was for twelve, like 1200 horses. The "A"? Could be Anything
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/equipment/dieselpix/ta.gif

Rock Island station at Davenport, my first hometown. .
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/structures/depots/Kline/DavenportPostcard.jpg
Our next-door neighbors had a '48 Ford that sure looked like this one:
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/structures/depots/Kline/Davenport1.jpg

Today is the 62nd anniversary of D-Day
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/images/vc68a.1.jpg

Supreme Allied Commander on the Rock Island Line
http://storm.simpson.edu/~RITS/histories/IkeNewton/photos/IM0002.jpg
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 8:10 AM
Good Mornig gang. Time for a cup of coffee and and a crumpet from the Mentor Village Bakery.

Glad to see Mike is supplying photos of the streamliners. The picture of the Super Chief was on that trains inaugural run when the boxcabs substituted for the Streamlined E1 units.

Continuing early streamliners.

C&NW – UP
CITY OF
LOS ANGELES
(December 18, 1937)
2,299 miles

The second CITY OF LOS ANGELES consist entered service December 18, 1937, this new train was comprised of full size lightweight streamlined cars with no more than two articulated in pairs together. The power for the new train was EMC and comprised of E2A Cab Unit LA-1 and two E2B Booster units LA-2 and LA-3 with a combined horsepower rating of 5,400, these were among the last Winton powered diesel units produced by EMC. With this train known as the seventh train the C&NW – UP were offering two CITY OF LOS ANGELES train sets. The new seventh train was fourteen cars in length providing Coach seating for 104 and sleeping car space for 139 passengers. This gave the UP two round trips a week for the CITY OF LOS ANGELES from both Chicago and Los Angeles.

LA-1 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

LA-2 EMC E1B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

LA-3 EMC E1B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

LA-101 Auxiliary Power Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Car

LA-401 LAS VEGAS Articulated 52 Revenue seat Coach
LA-402 SALT LAKE Articulated 52 Revenue seat Coach

LA-601 BILTMORE Articulated 32 seat Coffee Shop Kitchen Car
LA-602 AMBASSADOR Articulated 72 seat Dining Room Car

LA-701 “THE LITTLE NUGGET” 8 crew Dormitory Buffet 35 seat Lounge Car

SANTA MONICA Articulated 4 Compartment 3 Drawing Room Sleeping Car
WILSHIRE Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

SAN DOMINGUEZ Articulated 4 Compartment 3 Drawing Room Sleeping Car
SAN FERNANDO Articulated 13 Roomette Sleeping Car

ARROYO SECO Articulated 11 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
BEVERLY HILLS Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

ROSE BOWL 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

LA-901 SUN VALLEY Barber Shop Buffet 38 seat Lounge Observation

C&NW – UP – SP
CITY OF
SAN FRANCISCO
(January 2, 1938)
2,260 miles

The new eighth train with a fourteen car consist was inaugurated January 2, 1938 from Chicago to Oakland Pier. The new eighth train like the seventh train CITY OF LOS ANGELES consist no more than two cars were articulated together and the cars were of standard streamlined height and width. Unlike the CITY OF LOS ANGELES the earlier CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO train the fourth train was retired as the FORTY NINER was also providing service on this route. The new CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO consist differed from the seventh train with only a single coach providing seating for 54 coach passengers. The sleeping car space accommodated 168 passengers. The new train was assigned a single EMC E2A unit SF-1 and a pair of EMC E2B units SF-2 and SF-3 for power identical to those that were assigned to power the new CITY OF LOS ANGELES. The new CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO would be in service eight months when a deliberate act of sabotage would send it crashing through a bridge and into the Humboldt River below while westbound across Nevada. It would be over a year before the Union Pacific would be able to replace the wrecked CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO consist with a new CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO train. In that years time a makeshift streamlined consist using cars built for other trains was substituted thanks to Pullman and their ability to shift cars where they were needed most.

SF-1 EMC E2A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

SF-2 EMC E2B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

SF-3 EMC E2B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

SF-101 Auxiliary Power Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory Car

SF-401 MARKET STREET 54 Revenue seat Coach

SF-601 PRESIDIO Articulated 32 seat Coffee Shop Kitchen Car
SF-602 MISSION DOLORES Articulated 72 seat Dining Room Car

EMBARCADERO 8 Crew Dormitory Buffet 25 seat Lounge Car

TWIN PEAKS Articulated 4 Compartment 3 Drawing Room Sleeping Car
CHINATOWN Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

FISHERMENS WHARF Articulated 4 Compartment 3 Drawing Room Sleeping Car
GOLDEN GATE PARK Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

SEAL ROCKS Articulated 11 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car
UNION SQUARE Articulated 12 Section Sleeping Car

TELEGRAPH HILL 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

PORTSMOUTH SQUARE 12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SF-901 NOB HILL Barber Shop Buffet 38 seat Lounge Observation

AT&SF
CHIEF
(January 21, 1938)
2,223 miles

On January 21, 1938 the Santa Fe CHIEF became a lightweight streamlined all Pullman daily Chicago – Los Angeles train. The CHIEF was assigned new modern 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotives and tenders between Chicago and La Junta, Colorado and from that point to Los Angeles new 4-8-4 Northern Locomotives & tenders were assigned as power. Only one of the new Hudson Locomotives was streamlined the 3460, it was painted in two shades of Blue with a stainless steel band separating the colors. This engine quickly earned the nickname “BLUE GOOSE” The CHIEF at that time was an all Pullman Extra Fare train and its equipment was nearly identical to that built for the second streamlined SUPER CHIEF. The new lightweight streamlined CHIEF operated on a 48-hour schedule in each direction and all six consists were ten cars in length with a passenger capacity of 151. Pullman Standard built all Sleeping cars, Budd of Philadelphia constructed feature cars of the new CHIEFS. The CHIEF would receive diesels following WW II with PA diesels the postwar ALCO 2,000 hp passenger diesels that earned the title honorary steam locomotive being those first assigned. These units were assigned in A-B-A sets of 6,000 hp. The CHIEF would receive BIG Dome Lounge cars in 1956 and add Coaches shortly thereafter. Unfortunately as passenger load counts slowed the CHIEF was discontinued in 1968, as there were more trains than necessary for the shrinking passenger train business between Chicago and Los Angeles. But the Santa Fe CHIEF will always be remembered as one of the finest.
The following is a sample consist as found between Chicago and Los Angeles in 1938.

3460 BLUE GOOSE Streamlined 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotive & Tender (Chicago – La Junta)

3765 4-8-4 Northern Locomotive & Tender (La Junta – Los Angeles)

1380 SAN MIGUEL Baggage Barber Shop Buffet 30 seat Lounge Car

DINNEBITO 14 Section Sleeping Car

CHACO 17 Roomette Sleeping Car

HOTEVILLA 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1371 NAMBE 12 Crew Dormitory Buffet 28 seat Lounge Car

1475 36 seat Dining Car

HUALPI 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SALAHKAI 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

SEGATOA 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

BETAHTAKIN 1 Double Bedroom 4 Drawing Room 17 seat Lounge Observation

CRI&P
KANSAS CITY – OKLAHOMA CITY
ROCKET
(February 13, 1938)
407 miles

This ROCKET between Kansas City and Oklahoma City began service February 13, 1938 using the former KANSAS CITY / DENVER ROCKET consist. The new ROCKET service operated a daily round trip, and it was while these three cars were in this service that they received new names to reflect the area they now operated in. The new KANSAS CITY – OKLAHOMA ROCKET service lasted until November 14, 1938.

606 EMC TA 1,200 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

403 CIMARRON RIVER formerly BEAR LAKE Articulated Baggage Kitchen 32 seat Dinette Coach
303 CHISHOLM TRAIL formerly MT. EVANS Articulated 76 Revenue seat Coach

453 SOONER STATE formerly PIKES PEAK 28 revenue seat Coach 24 seat Parlor Lounge Observation

AT&SF
EL CAPITAN
(February 22, 1938)
2,223 miles

The Santa Fe inaugurated a pair of Coach streamlined trains on the same fast 39-3/4 hour timing as the Santa Fe’s finest the all Pullman SUPER CHIEF between Chicago and Los Angeles beginning February 22, 1938. Like the SUPER CHIEF the EL CAPITAN was an Extra Fare Extra Fast train. These two trains each consisted of five cars pulled by a single EMC 1,800 HP E1A. The five car Budd built consists had a capacity of 186 passengers initially and grew from that point with the addition of 60-seat Budd built coaches borrowed from the SCOUT pool. With two complete consists the Santa Fe was able to provide every third day departures from both Chicago and Los Angeles. In later years the EL CAPITAN would grow to become America's most popular and finest all coach streamlined train.

5 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3480 Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory 32 Revenue seat Coach

3103 52 Revenue seat Coach

1505 14 seat Lunch Counter 24 seat Dining Car

3104 52 Revenue seat Coach

3198 50 Revenue seat Coach Observation

SECOND CONSIST

6 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3481 Baggage 12 Crew Dormitory 32 Revenue seat Coach

3105 52 Revenue seat Coach

1506 14 Seat Lunch Counter 24 seat Dining Car

3106 52 Revenue seat Coach

3199 50 Revenue seat Coach Observation

AT&SF
SUPER CHIEF
(February 22, 1938)
2,223 miles

On the same date February 22, 1938 the new EL CAPITANS entered service the Santa Fe began operating a second SUPER CHIEF consist along with the first SUPER CHIEF consist began operating on the same dates as the EL CAPITAN train sets sailed. The new consist was nine cars in length and the Santa Fe dropped the full Baggage Car from the first SUPER CHIEF consist and added two new cars in place of the 3460 Baggage car to more closely match the second SUPER CHIEF consist. One of the new cars for the first SUPER CHIEF train set was a Baggage 7 Crew Dormitory Bar 30 seat Lounge Car from Budd 1386 SAN CLEMENTE and a 17 Roomette Sleeping Car from Pullman Standard named TUBA. EMC E1A – E1B set of diesels numbered 3L and 3A, powered the all-new nine car second SUPER CHIEF consists. Initially the second SUPER CHIEF lightweight streamlined train operated with borrowed sleeping cars from the CHIEF pool until delivery of the new Pullman Standard built cars in July 1938. The second SUPER CHIEF consist listed below is after the second SUPER CHIEF received its new sleeping cars in July 1938.

3L EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3A EMC E1B 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Booster Unit

1387 SAN ACACIA Baggage 7 Crew Dormitory Bar 30 seat Lounge Car

CHIMAYO 17 Roomette Sleeping Car

TALWIWI 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TCHIREGE 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

1377 AGATHLA Barber Shop Bar 28 seat Lounge 12 Crew Dormitory Car

1485 AWATOBI 36 seat Dining Car

TSANKAWI 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

TYOUNYI 8 Section 2 Compartment 2 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

PUYE 1 Double Bedroom 4 Drawing Room 17 seat Lounge Observation

AT&SF
SAN DIEGAN
(March 27, 1938)

The Santa Fe inaugurated the first lightweight streamlined SAN DIEGAN train on March 27, 1938 scheduled for two daily round trips between Los Angeles and San Diego. The new six car streamlined train provided revenue coach seating for 152 and revenue Parlor seating for 32. The new train was an instant success running full on both daily round trips scheduled for 2-1/2 hours in each direction with scheduled stops at Santa Ana, Oceanside, and Del Mar. Additional scheduled stops were added to the SAN DIEGAN schedules with the first timetable change. The consist was built by Budd and the power was a single EMC E1A.

7A EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3400 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3102 48 Revenue seat Coach

3113 52 Revenue seat Coach

3114 52 Revenue seat Coach

1500 14 seat Lunch Counter 20 seat Tavern Lounge Car

3240 32 Revenue seat Parlor Observation

AT&SF
CHICAGOAN / KANSAS CITYAN
(April 17, 1938)

The Santa Fe introduced a pair of Day trains using lightweight streamlined cars from the Budd Company between Chicago and Wichita, Kansas beginning April 17, 1938. These two seven car lightweight streamlined trains operated the lengthy schedule in 12-3/4 hours between end points. Shortly after entering service the trains western terminal would be moved to Oklahoma City extending running times by an additional three hours. The westbound train was named KANSAS CITYAN and the eastbound train was the CHICAGOAN. The Santa Fe inaugural runs of the two lightweight streamliners were operated with EMC E1A units 8 and 9 but within a month the Santa Fe assigned 1 and 10 the numbers of the old Santa Fe Box Cab Diesel Passenger units 1A and 1B. After being rebuilt in Santa Fe Topeka Shops with elevated cab at one end only and a new nose added at that same end. They really resembled two E1A units that had been involved in a head on collision and the shops repainted the results in the Santa Fe War bonnet scheme. These became the regular power for the KANSAS CITYAN – CHICAGOAN. The two trains were a major success for the Santa Fe for many years.

8 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3401 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3107 52 Revenue seat Coach

3108 52 Revenue seat Coach

3109 52 Revenue seat Coach

1399 26 Revenue seat Coach 30 seat Club Lounge Car

1487 48 seat Dining Car

3241 32 Revenue seat Parlor Observation

SECOND CONSIST

9 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3402 Baggage 30’ Railway Post Office Car

3110 52 Revenue seat Coach

3111 52 Revenue seat Coach

3112 52 Revenue seat Coach

1398 26 Revenue seat Coach 30 seat Club Lounge Car

1486 48 seat Dining Car

3242 32 Revenue seat Parlor Observation

T&NO
HUSTLER
(June 1, 1938)

The HUSTLER was introduced to the traveling public on June 1, 1938 a streak of DAYLIGHT Orange and RED pulled by streamlined Pacific’s. In actual fact the HUSTLER trains were the same consists as the SUNBEAMS but the Texas and New Orleans assigned a different name to them when each consist was assigned to operate a round trip daily schedule between Dallas and Houston. At that time the HUSTLER became the morning train making all stops in route and the SUNBEAMS became the afternoon trains operating non-stop between the two largest cities in Texas. This was done to counter the CB&Q –CRI&P and their twice-daily round trip streamlined trains. For equipment list of the HUSTLERS see the SUNBEAM listing of 1937.

TTFN Al
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Posted by coalminer3 on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 9:45 AM
Good Morning Barkeep and All Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox.

All kinds of encore material, Philadelphia PCCs, Rock Island, CNW/UP and lots of URLs (including some New Haven materila). Thanks to all.

I'll add a piece of B&M material which I posted a long time back.

Schenectady’s Last Stand

The branch is different in the fall and the winter as frost and early snow have combined to smash down the summer’s vegetation and leave it yellowed and withered. The crickets are gone and silence and cold have replaced the noise of birds and the warmth of the summer wind. It’s a cold and gray day a little before Thanksgiving, the air damp and smelling of rain and maybe sleet, and I’m out walking the branch again.

I hear the sound of a diesel horn blowing for the crossing. This horn is deeper and more melodious. An Alco for sure, but the question is what kind? Well, we’ll find out pretty soon. I can see maroon and gold paint; a little closer and it turns out to be a battered RS3.

The Boston and Maine over the years had bought several kinds of Alco switchers; among them a number of RS3s. They had arrived painted in maroon and gold with the Concord Minuteman herald. Some of them were repainted blue and white, but a few had managed to keep their original colors. As an engineer told me once, “You can’t kill ‘em. They’ll run until they fall apart.”

Whatever their paint or condition, clearly their time is short. It won’t be long until they’re white lined and busted up for parts, their skeletons sitting in the deadline behind the Billerica shops. But right now, the RS3 is still running; pulling a handful of freight cars trailed by a blue and white B&M buggy; handling a branch line local freight like it has thousands of times.

They had set out and picked up some orange PFE refrigerator cars down the road and now here they are, getting ready to set out a car at the lumber yard. The weather is turning colder now, fog comes up off the meadow, and I hunker down into my field coat – trying to keep warm.

The engineer cracks the cab window and yells down, “What the hell are you doing down there? Come up and ride with us where it’s warm.” Up the steps I go, hanging onto the rails. Then down the short hood, open the door, and step into the engine cab. The interior is painted a light green. It’s dirty and reeks of diesel smoke and oil, but he’s right, it is warmer and out of the wind. “We’re gonna leave the train here, and go up the road first to get some cars and then come back and drop this car,” the engineer says. I fish in my pocket and hand him a cigar – coin of the realm, and the price for my ride. I’ll pass out more to the rest of the crew when I see them. The brakeman joins us having cut off the engine from the rest of the train. He gets a cigar too.

The engineer kicks off the air and opens the throttle. Nothing happens for a bit and then we start to move. The engine shudders and then digs in making the characteristic Alco “chompa-chompa-chompa” sound. Smoke drifts back over us, and I can hear the sound of the traction motors and feel them vibrating through my feet. We don’t go too fast which is just as well given the questionable track conditions on the branch.

Sleet slats against the cab windows and the sky is getting grayer. It gets dark quickly in New England on a November afternoon.

There’s the cars we’ll get - two CN boxcars. The brakeman unloads, walks up ahead, leaning into the wind, unlocks and opens the switch. He flips a hand signal and catches the footboard of the RS as it moves ahead. We couple onto the cars with a “c-lunk” followed by a short back-and forth motion.

Now it’s time to pull the cars out of the siding, stop and wait for the brakeman to reline the switch. We move ahead again and pick up the brakeman. This crew has been together for a long time and they don’t say much to each other, but the engineer’s not going to let the brakeman ride in the sleet and fog.

Back we go down the branch. There’s the rest of our train and we couple onto the car to be set out at the lumberyard. This one’s a Milwaukee Road boxcar with horizontally ribbed sides – they always did things differently on the Milwaukee. The slogan on its side says, “Route of the Olympian Hiawatha.”

It’s quick work to couple on, pull ahead, get the switch and make the set out. The crew wants me to ride back to Boston with them, but I can’t this day, so I thank them, unload and watch the Alco head back toward the siding down the road where it will put its train back together again. I don’t know it, but it’s the last time I’ll ride an RS3 on the B&M.

work safe
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:04 AM
Good morning gentlemen.I think I'll grab myself a coffee with that little extra ala BK,and in keeping with the nostalgic food orders I will order two light breakfasts just like Doug would. ( gotta keep the girls in the kichen awake )

Al Thanks for the continuing support of the encoring of your streamliner matereials. The boys seem to be appreciating them and as always they are a good read. [tup] Mike's bee able to keep up with the url photo's to go right along with them, which is exactly what we are about on this here thread. 5x[tup]["D][yeah] for the "few"

Mike Those PCC's are in Philly. On many occation we thouhgt that we were going to clip someone,with the way those yahoo's would park their cars [:O] That line was closd down, but the track and overhead was left up.Two years ago they began refurbishing it and the PCC's and it is now back in service. Apparently the close to ten years without streetcars on the line had allowed the "natives" to get in the habit of parking where they shouldn't. It's lead to many bumps n scrapes and many a parking ticket in the City of Brotherly Love ( an oxymoron for sure ) I'm glad that you have been able to put your atlas to use [swg] and here you thought that once you were out of grade school that you could set it aside as a coffee table leveller [swg]. Thank's for the continued url support, we would be lost without you [tup]

CM3 Good morning again sir, I'm glad that you are still with us in your usual spot, helps keep things a flowing along.allow me to pick up your tab for the day. Loved the B&M reroll. RS3's well Alco's in general have always been my long favourite locomotives. I am a true Alcophile. Luckily I have been blessed with seeing many Alco's up close abd persona; with MLW / Bombardier producing the later marks well into the 70's and early 80's. We still have a pile of them toiling away on the various shortlines up here north of the boarder. I have to say that cab rides in an Alco are an absolute blast. I was luckey enough to get a ride in a C425 belonging to Trillium Rail ( ex BCR, ex Erie Lackawanna unit ) while they switched the old NS&T districts along the old CN canal Sub, what a ride ( I can still taste the grit from that old 251 pounding away behind us )Thanks for sharing that story with us again. [tup]

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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:14 AM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Just another encore in keeping with the CNR material from yesterday. This is a short piece on the formation of the CNR from all of it's various bankrupt parts. Enjoy again.

Rob

CLASSIC CNR STEAM # 13 THE FORMING OF THE CNR


Tom and I have talked about the various bits and parts of the CNR so here is the short short history of how they came to be. Enjoy Rob.

Sir Robert Borden,who had become Prime Minister in 1911,kept arguing for publi ownership of a nationwide railway system. He pointed out that 90 % of the Grand Trunk's transcontinental ambitions were already publically funded by government loans,and for only 10 % more the country could own and control the system. Faced by the urgent demands of the war,Parliment decided to act on his suggestion.

It began in 1917 by obtaining the Candian Northern, and appointing a board of directors chaired by D.B. Hanna. The following year, the board's jurisdiction was extended over the Candian Government Railways. 15 lines in all, the main one's being the Intercolonial,the National Transcontinental,the Hudson Bay Railway,and the Prince Edward Island Railway.

Then , on June 6,1919, Parliament passed an act incorporating the Canadian National Railway Company and appointed Hanna as President. The first major aquisition made by the new corporation was of the Grand Trunk Pacific the next year.


The first anual report issued by the board was for 1921, the third year in the life of the new railway. They gave details of the assets and liabilities of the component companies as well as those of Canadian National. They reported earnings in 1921 of $47,321.44, compared to the 1920 defficet of $4 million. By 1923 with the takeover of the rest of the Grand Trunk and it's Grand Trunk Western ( american holdings ) they had built a soilid company.

SOME STATS ON THE NEW RAILWAY


Once the govt incorporated the company Canadian National Railway's, it created one of the largest railways in the world, with various railway related services. All for the benefit of it's sole shareholder the people of Canada ( aka the Federal govt ). At the outset it had 105.905 employees , 2078 pensioners, 3268 loccomotives , 138,925 pieces of rolling stock passenger and freight, 21,700 miles of track, and telegraph lines , hotels, car ferries,barges and tugs.

Candian National telegraph's had 3852 employee's serving the public and railway needs for messeges along 113,105 miles of wire. The express dept had 3255 employee's, as well as 628 horses , 111 motor trucks, 1095 waggons and sleighs, 2959 platform trucks ( hand dollies ), and 584 safes ( locaated in express buildings, amnd stations ) Among the business handles during the year were 47 million pounds of fish,3500 live foxes and 4400 Horses ( principally the racing type )

Eight major hotels. built by the predessesr companies werw there to serve the riding public in style. These were not operated by a separate company but left in control of the General Manager of Hotels,Sleeping and Dinning cars.
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:24 AM
ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE ! ENCORE !

Back again for a couple of seconds anyway. Here's a Calssic encore from the bossman himself. What with all
the mention of the NH I figured that this would be appropriate for this afternoon,that and it's nice to see some of Tom's stuff even uif he is away from the bar enjoying the time of his life.[8D][;)]

Rob


QUOTE: Originally posted by siberianmo

Gentlemen at the bar!

I leave you with two gestures tonite - Boris Ring the bell for a round on me - and a ENCORE! Fallen piece for a nite-cap! [tup]

ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Here’s another Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:


New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H) (NH)

Headquarters: New Haven, CT

Mileage in 1950: 1,800

Locomotives in 1963:

Diesel: 381 – Electric: 22

Rolling stock in 1963:

Freight cars: 6,925 – Passenger cars: 1,055 (including self-propelled)

Principal routes in 1950:

New York City (Grand Central)-New Haven-New London, CT-Providence, RI-Boston, MA
New York City (Pennsylvania Station)-New Rochelle, NY
New Haven-Hartford, CT-Springfield, MA
New Haven-Middletown-Putnam, CT-Boston (Readville)
New Haven-Northhampton & Holyoke, MA
Devon-Winsted, CT
Waterbury-Hartford-Plainfield, CT-Providence
Providence (Valley Falls)-Worcester, MA
Norwalk, CT-Pittsfield & Station Line, MA
Derby, CT-Campbell Hall & Beacon, NY
New London-Worcester
New Bedford & Fall River-Framingham-Lowell & Fitchburg, MA
Boston-Brocton-Provincetown & Hyannis & Woods Hole, MA
Attleboro-Taunton-Middleboro, MA
South Braintree-Plymouth, MA

Passenger trains of note:

NEW YORK-BOSTON
Bay State – Bostonian - Commander – Forty Second Street – Gilt Edge –
Hell Gate Express – Merchants Limited – Murray Hill – Narragansett –
New Yorker – Owl – Puritan – Roger Williams – Shoreliner – Yankee Clipper


BOSTON-PHILADELPHIA-WASHINGTON
(operated by PRR west of NYC (Penn Station)
Colonial – Federal – Patriot – Pilgrim – Quaker – Senator – William Penn

OTHER RUNS
Bankers (New York-Springfield)
Berkshires (New York-Pittsfield)
Connecticut Yankee (New York-Springfield)
Day Cape Codder (New York-Hyannis & Woods Hole
Day White Mountain (New York-Berlin, NH; operated by B&M north of Springfield)
Montrealer (New York-to-Montreal, operated by B&M, CV & CN north of Springfield)
Nathan Hale (New York-Springfield)
Naugatuck (New York-Winsted)
Night Cap (New York-Stamford, CT
State of Maine (New York-Portland, ME via Providence & Worcester; B&M beyond
Washingtonian (Montreal-to-Washington counterpart to Montrealer


ENCORE! ENCORE! ENCORE!

Enjoy! [tup]

Leon the Night Man has the bar!

Tom
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Posted by passengerfan on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 4:37 PM
Good Afternoon Gang. Time for a CR and a round for the house.
One more streamliner posting for mthe day then its back to the office.

NYC
TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED
(June 13, 1938)

On June 15, 1938 the most famous train in America the All
Pullman All Room Extra Fare pride of the New York Central System TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED began streamlined service. The all new all room Pullman Standard built trains numbered four so that if needed an extra section could be operated daily if needed. But not only did the NYC receive 62 new lightweight streamlined cars for the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED but also ten streamlined J3 4-6-4 Hudson Locomotives and Tenders for assignment pulling the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED numbered 5445 – 5454. The TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was the worlds first lightweight all room sleeping car train. The rival PRR BROADWAY LIMITED inaugurated all room Pullman service on the same date but the consists had a couple of modernized heavyweight cars in each consist. The TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITEDS streamlined Hudson Locomotives were operated between Chicago and Harmon pulling fourteen car consists sometimes extended to sixteen cars. It was not at all unusual for two sections of fourteen cars each to be operated in each direction on ten-minute headway on the fast sixteen-hour schedule assigned to the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED. The lightweight streamlined TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was one of only four streamlined trains in the United States to ever carry Master rooms the most luxurious Pullman accommodation of all complete with private shower facilities and bathroom annex. The other streamlined trains that carried Master Rooms were the PRR BROADWAY LIMITED, PRR LIBERTY LIMITED, and the Southern CRESCENT. The NYC selected famed industrial designer Henry Dreyfuss to design the new paint scheme and interiors of the feature cars, not to mention the magnificent streamlining of the Hudson Locomotives. The completed train sets were among the most tastefully designed and decorated ever constructed. The paint scheme of the new TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED was light gray overall with a dark Blue window band with two white stripes centered in this Blue band and a small white separation stripe between the Blue and gray at both top and bottom of the window band. The paint scheme was never repeated on any further NYC trains, management felt it was a little to gaudy for a train of the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITEDS prestige. The following is an example train set and is not intended to represent an actual consist although it is possible as all cars were assigned to that train only

5445 J3A 4-6-4 streamlined Hudson Locomotive & Tender

5017 Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office Car

CENTURY CLUB 18 Crew Dormitory Barber Shop Bar 30 seat Lounge Car

CITY OF DAYTON 17 Roomette Sleeping Car

CASCADE DAWN 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom

ONANDAGA COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE GLORY 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL CANYON 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

680 38 seat Dining Car

IMPERIAL CASTLE 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL FALLS 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

DUCHESS COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CASCADE VIEW 10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF DETROIT 17 Roomette Sleeping Car

MANHATTAN ISLAND 1 Double Bedroom 1 Master Room Bar 22 seat Lounge 10 seat Lounge Observation

PRR
BROADWAY LIMITED
(June 15, 1938)

The PRR inaugurated the lightweight streamlined BROADWAY LIMITED on the same date as rival NYC inaugurated their lightweight stream-lined TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED June 15, 1938. The new BROADWAY LIMITED posed for its publicity photos in the electrified territory with a new GG 1 up front and minus the heavyweight Baggage 60’ Railway Post Office Car, and heavyweight Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Car. A GG 1 was assigned as power to the BROADWAY LIMITED between New York and Harrisburg in each direction. West of Harrisburg the PRR assigned one or sometimes two of their famous K4 Pacific Locomotives. But initially the PRR borrowed a page from the NYC whom for a year or more had operated streamlined Hudson Locomotive named the COMMODORE VANDERBILT at the head of the heavyweight TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED. Running eastbound from Chicago to Toledo in the evening returning to Chicago at the head of the westbound TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED the next morning. This gave the passengers of the TWENTIETH CENTURY LIMITED the impression the NYC owned more than one of these streamlined locomotives.
The PRR in a similar manner assigned the streamlined K4 Pacific Locomotive and Tender 3768 to the eastbound BROADWAY LIMITED between Chicago and Crestline, Ohio. The morning westbound BROADWAY LIMITED arrived in Chicago the next morning trailing the 3768 having exchanged power in Crestline.
The PRR selected industrial designer Raymond Loewy to design the 1938 BROADWAY LIMITED after the beautiful job he accomplished on the GG 1. The exterior color scheme of the Fleet of Modernism was Tuscan Red with a light Mauve window band. The fleet of modernism was more than just the lightweight streamlined cars for the BROADWAY LIMITED it also included many lightweight streamlined cars for assignment to the GENERAL, LIBERTY LIMITED, and SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS. The PRR only purchased two train sets for the BROADWAY LIMITED and these consists were twelve cars in length. Without a doubt the BROADWAY LIMITED was a class act and the interiors Raymond Loewy designed for this train erased any doubts that he was a designer with outstanding credentials and abilities. Below is listed a typical BROADWAY LIMITED consist of that period.

3768 PRR K4 4-6-2 Streamlined Pacific Locomotive & Tender

Unknown Heavyweight 60’ Railway Post Office Car

Unknown Heavyweight Baggage 15 Crew Dormitory Car

CITY OF BALTIMORE 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

CITY OF CINCINNATI 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

ALLEGHENY COUNTY 13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

IMPERIAL PARK 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

4420 Heavyweight 30 seat Dining Car

HARBOR POINT Barber Shop Secretary Room 2 Double Bedroom Bar 28 seat Lounge Car

IMPERIAL PASS 4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Car

CITY OF COLUMBUS 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

CITY OF NEW YORK 18 Roomette Sleeping Car

SKYLINE VIEW 1 Double Bedroom 2 Master Room Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observation

PRR
LIBERTY LIMITED
(June 15, 1938)

The LIBERTY LIMITED was the name of the first class all Pullman train the PRR operated between Washington, D. C. and Chicago. This train ranked right up there with the BROADWAY LIMITED the New York – Chicago streamliner. The LIBERTY LIMITED although not an exact copy of the BROADWAY LIMITED as it carried several heavyweight sleeping cars in each consist it was the only other PRR train assigned lightweight streamlined cars with Master Rooms. The LIBERTY LIMITED would be streamlined on June 15, 1938 but several of the sleeping cars were streamlined heavyweights and heavyweights at other times. The LIBERTY LIMITED was part of that elite group of trains on the PRR considered to be a part of their Fleet of Modernism. The PRR made up the LIBERTY LIMITED train sets with the heavyweight and streamlined heavyweight cars forward of the Dining car and the five lightweight stream-lined cars were operated to the rear of the Dining Car. Pullman Standard constructed the following Lightweight streamlined cars for assignment to the 1938 LIBERTY LIMITED.

3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Bar 26 seat Lounge Cars
COLONIAL STAGES
COLONIAL TRAILS

12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
MILL BROOK
MINERAL BROOK
MIRROR BROOK
MORNING BROOK

10 Roomette 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
CASCADE FALLS
CASCADE PARK

1 Double Bedroom 2 Master Room Buffet 25 seat Lounge Observations
FEDERAL VIEW
WASHINGTON VIEW

PRR
GENERAL
(June 15, 1938)

The PRR GENERAL was the number two all Pullman train on the New York – Chicago route operating on a slower schedule than the premier train on this route the BROADWAY LIMITED. The GENERAL was another of the PRR Fleet of Modernism trains and the two consists are known to have had the following lightweight streamlined cars constructed by Pullman Standard assigned.

12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
MAIDEN BROOK
MAJOR BROOK

13 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
LANCASTER COUNTY
PHILADELPHIA COUNTY

4 Compartment 2 Drawing Room 4 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
IMPERIAL RANGE
IMPERIAL TERRACE

18 Roomette Sleeping Cars
CITY OF LOUISVILLE
CITY OF NEWARK

3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Buffet Bar 26 seat Lounge Cars
COLONIAL CONGRESS
COLONIAL FATHERS
COLONIAL GOVERNORS
COLONIAL STATESMEN

PRR
SPIRIT OF
ST. LOUIS
(June 15, 1938)

The last of the Fleet of Modernism trains of the PRR was the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS and this train required three sets of equipment for daily service between New York, Washington and St. Louis. This was another all Pullman train and it operated with only the finest in equipment both streamlined heavyweights and new lightweight streamlined sleeping cars. The SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS was the finest offered by the PRR on this route. Pullman Standard constructed the following lightweight streamlined sleeping cars for assignment to the SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS.

12 Duplex Single Room 5 Double Bedroom Sleeping Cars
MAPLE BROOK
MAR BROOK
MEADOW BROOK

18 Roomette Sleeping Cars
CITY OF AKRON
CITY OF WILMINGTON
CITY OF YOUNGSTOWN

3 Double Bedroom 1 Drawing Room Bar 26 seat Lounge Cars
COLONIAL DAMES
COLONIAL INNS
COLONIAL MANSIONS

AT&SF
GOLDEN GATES
(July 1, 1938)

The last of the Santa Fe lightweight streamlined trains to enter service in 1938 were the two Budd built seven car trains assigned to GOLDEN GATE service. These schedules were interesting as they used a Bus – Rail – Bus system to get from San Francisco to Los Angeles. The rail part of the trip was between Oakland and Bakersfield by way of the San Joaquin Valley. Passengers rode Santa Fe owned buses between San Francisco and Oakland at the north end of the route and again at the south end between Bakersfield and over the famed Grapevine on Highway 99 to and from Los Angeles. With two trains the Santa Fe was able to provide twice daily round trip GOLDEN GATE schedules daily. The Santa Fe Bus – Train – Bus service was faster than Southern Pacific San Francisco – Los Angeles all rail routes (San Joaquin or Coast Line) between California’s two largest cities at the time.

8 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3490 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach

3116 52 Revenue seat Coach

3095 60 Revenue seat Coach

1501 14 seat Lunch Counter 20 seat Dining Lounge Car

3117 26 Revenue seat Coach 28 seat Lounge Car

3090 60 Revenue seat Coach

3243 60 Revenue seat Coach Observation

SECOND CONSIST

9 EMC E1A 1,800 HP Diesel Passenger Cab Unit

3491 Baggage 36 Revenue seat Coach

3115 52 Revenue seat Coach

3093 60 Revenue seat Coach

1502 14 seat Lunch Counter 20 seat Dining Lounge Car

3118 26 Revenue seat Coach 28 seat Club Lounge Car

3091 60 Revenue seat Coach

3244 60 Revenue seat Coach Observation

CMStP&P
HIAWATHA
(September 19, 1938)
421 miles

On September 19, 1938 the Milwaukee Road launched their third lightweight streamlined HIAWATHA trains between Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul, Minneapolis. This time to power the nine car lightweight streamlined trains the Milwaukee Road selected new streamlined 4-6-4 Baltic (as the Milwaukee Road preferred to call their Hudson) Locomotive and tenders. The Milwaukee Road shops constructed the cars for the new streamliners and these differed from earlier lightweight streamlined cars as they had seven lengthwise external fluted ribs showing instead of the previous group of HIAWATHA cars three. This gave the Milwaukee Road cars a look of their own and this type of externally ribbed car can be seen on today’s Russian and Chinese Railroads looking as though they were copied from Milwaukee Road car plans. The new engines were excellent performers and gave the Milwaukee Road great service throughout there careers easily capable of maintaining speeds in excess of 100 mph when called upon to do so with even the heaviest of trains. This new HIAWATHA became the MORNING HIAWATHA on January 21, 1939 when nearly identical consists were placed in Chicago – Minneapolis service and named the AFTERNOON HIAWATHAS. This gave the Milwaukee Road two daily HIAWATHAS in each direction between the Windy City and Twin Cities daily. At the time the following consist became the MORNING HIAWATHA a lightweight streamlined 60’ Railway Post Office car was added to each train set.

100 ALCO F7 class 4-6-4 Streamlined Baltic Locomotive and Tender

153 Express Buffet 44 seat TIP TOP TAP Tavern Car

437 56 Revenue seat Coach

439 56 Revenue seat Coach

441 56 Revenue seat Coach

443 56 Revenue seat Coach
109 48 seat Dining Car

CHANDLER 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

HANSON 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

EARLING 28 Revenue seat Parlor Beavertail Observation

SECOND CONSIST

101 ALCO F7 class 4-6-4 Streamlined Baltic Locomotive & Tender

154 Express Buffet 44 seat TIP TOP TAP Tavern Car

438 56 Revenue seat Coach

440 56 Revenue seat Coach

442 56 Revenue seat Coach

444 56 Revenue seat Coach

110 48 seat Dining Car

HILAND 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

MANCHESTER 24 Revenue seat Parlor Car with 5 seat Parlor Stateroom

MERRILL 28 Revenue seat Parlor Beavertail Observation

CMStP&P
CHIPPEWA
(September 19, 1938)
315 miles

The CHIPPEWA received lightweight streamlined cars on this date using equipment from earlier HIAWATHAS and a pair of older 4-6-2 Pacific Locomotives and Tenders streamlined in the Milwaukee Road shops. The CHIPPEWA was not assigned a Beavertail Observation or lightweight streamlined Diner at that time so was not given HIAWATHA status. The CHIPPEWA operated between Chicago and Ontonagan and required two sets of equipment to maintain daily service in each direction. Later the CHIPPEWA would become the CHIPPEWA HIAWATHA after Milwaukee Road management decided that all streamlined trains would be HIAWATHAS but the CHIPPEWA would not attain this status until 1948. The equipment for the CHIPPEWA was from earlier HIAWATHAS and changed quite often in makeup not only seasonally, almost daily in some cases such as coaches assigned.

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Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 5:58 PM
Afternoon all....Round of whatever you all agree upon.

Rob, Ted:

My previous posting of the current status of the PE terminal building brought forth some interesting comments from the both of you, I will elaborate further.

The Sub Basement was the result of an failed attempt at a subway system to eliminate 4.4 miles of street running on congested Main Street, the Subway project faltered due to political fallout due to a scandle involving the city mayor and several council men, the PE was also implacated in a kickback scheme involving the main contractor. SP chose to distance itself from the fallout, suspended and later cancelled the subway project. Only the sub basement terminal and the Temeccula Tunnel were ever completed, the new routing had Hollywood and Pasadena cars exit the Sub terminal via Broadway and the Main Street trackage was abandoned.

Prior to the start of America's involvement in WWII, PE sealed the west wall of the Sub Basement Terminal in anticipation of constructing elevated platforms, this required reopening Main Street to help alleviate congestion on the Broadway line, trackage reconfiguarations between Broadway and Main doomed the East entrance, a elevated connector track was erected between Traction and Alameda to drop from the elevated platforms to street level, this ramp skirted the former east enterance and substanial concrete retaining walls and fill work was required, thus sealing the now redundent subway bore in the process.

PE last used the terminal in 1961, shortly after the last runs, the structual steel used in the elevated platforms and fly over bridge were salavaged for their scrap value, leaving a visible scar as to where they had been for decades after. SP maintained three floors for offices while the other three were unoccupied and off limits due to abatement issues, in those more lax times before EPA scrutiny, they simply sealed off the effected areas. After the UP merger, the terminal was sold to a developer with intentions to raze it, the necessary enviormental cleanup cost exceeded the salvage value and the developer walked away from the deal. The City assumed ownership under an abandoned buildings clause. The city allowed it to succomb in a manner not yet seen to date, razing seemed a reality.

Ecnonomic necessity intervened, LA had a quandry; it needed to revive it's downtown or loose hundered of millions of dollars to other cities that had sucessfully applied adaptive reuse to otherwise stangent structures as was evident with cities such as Seattle and San Francisco which were attracting residents and new business to former depressed areas, adaptave reuse made this possible while perserving the past for a purpose in the present, a new generation keen to preservation and well tuned to LA's lack of it brought powerfull poltical forces to bear.

It took ten years to convert the PE terminal Building , it was found to be in much worst condition then orginally thought, the abatement cost, earthquake retrofitting and updated fire prevention systems was staggering, but the project proved sucessfull, all lofts were sold within three months of the project being announced. The sucessfull conversion paved the way for other such structures that otherwise would have been reduced to rubble in the name of progress.

The Subway Terminal is scheduled to be abated and cleaned as funds permit, until then, it remains sealed, with good stewardship and determination, it will once again be possible to relive the great age of the Pacific Electric.

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Posted by West Coast S on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 7:24 PM
On to other business... Speaking of Alco's CM3,

Though not as ecletic as those of several eastern roads, Alco's were some of the first diesels on the Southern Pacific, the immortal PA'a of 1949, eventually 76 would be purchased. SP purchased it's first Alco, a high hood in 1939 and throughout the war purchased over two hundred S class switchers, the choice was an easy decision, Alco was one of only two builders permitted to build and market switchers. After the war, S class purchases continued until over three hundred had been amassed. Cotton Belt recieved the only RS3's twelve were delivered in 1947, they stayed on home rails and never ventured west of El Paso.

The Pacific Lines chose the RSD5, over forty eight were rostered, they could be found in every type of service, but for the introduction of the SD7 in 1953, no doubt other Alco roadswitchers would have been purchased, by the mid fifties, EMD was the chosen builder, in 1959 Alco recieved a surprise order for four Alco RSD15, these would be restricted to hump service in Eugene OR, until retired after thrity years of faithfull service. A credit dispute with EMD resulted in the placement of sixteen RSD37, rated the same as a EMD geep, they had the advantage of a turbocharger familar and well respected by SP personal. These were assigned to the Bay Area and Central Valley and even saw emergency commute duty. As emissions became a issue, they were relocated to the Houston area, they were well thought of and most were rebuilt for further service as late as the early seventies. These outlasted the Centuary series, being retired in the mid 80s after being forced back to the Pacfic Lines were they toiled in local and transfer service in Los Angeles, due to recent rebuildings, they were quickly snapped up by the used locomotive market.

The century , beginning with the 630, series purchases came about as SP attempted to strong arm EMD into more favorable terms for additional SD45 purchases. They seemed to be the answer at first, they soon proved they were not capable of performing as needed, soon after delivery, with the paint hardly dry, many were sidelined with severe engine and electrical issues, Alco offered SP a no responsbility clause if it would host trials of the 636 model, if satisfied no payments would be required for two years after date of purchase and Alco would be responsible for all maintaince beyond routine. SP knew a good deal when it was offered and a order for thrity 636s was soon inked. SP returned the in 1967, this time for switchers, EMD had no current offering that satisfied SP so the Alco Center Cab was chosen, by the time the final unit was delivered, Alco announced it was ceasing locomotive production, but would continue as a parts supplier.

EMD, once again in the good grace of the SP caused the Century series to be demoted to transfer and hump service, significient modifications were made to the electric system to permit operation in this demanding fashion, the Center Cabs didn't survive past the early seventies, though they had great visibilty from the cab, performance wise, they could never measure up the EMD MP15 series, that was quickly becoming the dominate switcher. Despite, Alco's promise of parts support, it was empty promise. SP was purging everything below 1500hp regardless of builder by the mid seventies, all Alco's and other minority builders would gradually become a distant memory on the Southern Pacific as the decade ensued.


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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 8:43 PM
Hi Dave, it's hard to grasp that Los Angeles history predates the automobile. My impression was that the city was founded when 10 million motorists arrived at once and demanded Freeways.

Los Angeles Subway Terminal Building
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics19/00019069.jpg

Subway building in context, City Hall tallest building in L.A.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics25/00032029.jpg

View of the tracks in the tunnels under the Subway Building
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics07/00013192.jpg

Opening of the Pacific Electric Railway subway in 1926, station in the Subway Building
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics22/00045935.jpg

Entrance south of First Street near Glendale Blvd., tunneling under Angeleno Heights.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics22/00045932.jpg

Posted this one before, now it's Encore time
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics30/00034811.jpg
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Posted by trolleyboy on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 11:14 PM
Good evening again gents. i'm glad to see some activity this afternoon and evening,and rounds purchased as well. Looks as though we can help underright some of the Bosses trip [swg][:D].
Leon set up another round for myself and the trackgangs, we will force the black ink to flow today [tup]

Dave Thanks for the additional info on the PE station, it twas an interesting read to be sure, and a second follow up on my favourite species of Deisel locomotives. [tup]. I've always loved the big Alco's, seeing CP run the last miles out iof their 630's and 636's in the mid nineties was quite a show. They pulle dintermodels just about everything during theirm last months. sadly they were run until something important ( ie expensive )broke down. You can't say that they didn't get their money's worth on those purchases. Hopefully once the abatement in the subway tunnel is finished they will be able to open a PE musuem there of some sort.

Speaking of subways, I saw today that the TTC has ordered $800 million worth of new subway cars for the Yonge and University lines, all high capacity cars with the most modern fire and ventilation systems in them.They are due to be in service by 2009. This will bump the existing T cars which are about 20 years old now to the Bloor and Shepard lines only.

Mike I haven't looked at all the latest urls yet but the PE ones on the station platforms are right on [tup] Another fine addition to the urlmeisters collection of info.

Al Thanks for the Pennsey streamliner, I'm glad to see you pop in the second time today. I'm gonna need to order more CR. Which is not a bad thing. I'm always interested to see the PRR and NYC stuff pop up. Both were important and interesting roads to read about. Make sure that you don't overdo it your first week back to work. You wouldn't want more visits from that 300lbs nurse. [:O][xx(]

Ted Where be you today [?][?]


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