KCSfan Well the Pioneer Zephyr trainset is the obvious one that comes to mind. It originally ran between KC and Lincoln, NE. For a time it was paired with the Mark Twain Zephyr and the duo ran between Chicago and Denver as the Advanced Denver Zephyr. I believe it also saw service for a brief time on the Chicago to Minneapolis/St. Paul route. Its last route prior to being retired was IIIRC between Galesburg, IL and Lincoln. Mark
Well the Pioneer Zephyr trainset is the obvious one that comes to mind. It originally ran between KC and Lincoln, NE. For a time it was paired with the Mark Twain Zephyr and the duo ran between Chicago and Denver as the Advanced Denver Zephyr. I believe it also saw service for a brief time on the Chicago to Minneapolis/St. Paul route. Its last route prior to being retired was IIIRC between Galesburg, IL and Lincoln.
Mark
The Pioneer Zephyr was the first streamlined diesel powered streamliner to operate in the United States. The three named services it operated under were as follows:
It first entered service between Lincoln -Omaha - St. Joseph - Kansas City round trip daily as the 9900 ZEPHYR.
It was one of the two trains assigned to the ADVANCE DENVER ZEPHYR between Chicago and Denver between May 31, 1936 and November 7, 1936 operating opposite the MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR as you mentioned.
And the third named assignment of the Pioneer Zephyr was as the OZARK STATE ZEPHYR round trip daily between Kansas City and St. Louis.
Your question Mark
Al - in - Stockton
KCSfan I'm hard pressed to think of any GN, NP or Frisco trains that meet the requirements. A Santa Fe trainset comes to mind as a possibility but I still think it was a Burlington train, so my next question is, was it a CB&Q train? Mark
I'm hard pressed to think of any GN, NP or Frisco trains that meet the requirements. A Santa Fe trainset comes to mind as a possibility but I still think it was a Burlington train, so my next question is, was it a CB&Q train?
KCSfan Dang, I thought sure it was the MTZ since it fits your original question and all the prior answers. Guess I need to narrow it down a bit more before guessing a specific train. Was the RR that operated the train a predecessor of today's BNSF? Mark
Dang, I thought sure it was the MTZ since it fits your original question and all the prior answers. Guess I need to narrow it down a bit more before guessing a specific train.
Was the RR that operated the train a predecessor of today's BNSF?
KCSfan Al, I'll have a try at answering. Was it the CB&Q's Mark Twain Zephyr? It originally ran between St. Louis and Burlington, IA. Its next assignment was a brief one running as the Advanced Denver Zephyr between Chicago and Denver. Following that it ran as one of the Twin Cities Zephyrs between Chicago and Minneapolis.St. Paul. I'm not sure but I think it next was returned to it's original StL-Burlington route running again as the MTZ. This was followed by an assignment running between St.L and KC, as a joint CB&Q/Alton train named either the MTZ or maybe the Ozark Zephyr. I recall reading somewhere that its last route before being retired was between Galesburg, IL and St. Joe, MO but I can't confirm that from any of the OG's that I have and I don't know what it was named when running in this service. I'm pretty sure of these routes though I may not have them in the correct order. Mark
Al, I'll have a try at answering. Was it the CB&Q's Mark Twain Zephyr?
It originally ran between St. Louis and Burlington, IA. Its next assignment was a brief one running as the Advanced Denver Zephyr between Chicago and Denver. Following that it ran as one of the Twin Cities Zephyrs between Chicago and Minneapolis.St. Paul. I'm not sure but I think it next was returned to it's original StL-Burlington route running again as the MTZ. This was followed by an assignment running between St.L and KC, as a joint CB&Q/Alton train named either the MTZ or maybe the Ozark Zephyr. I recall reading somewhere that its last route before being retired was between Galesburg, IL and St. Joe, MO but I can't confirm that from any of the OG's that I have and I don't know what it was named when running in this service.
I'm pretty sure of these routes though I may not have them in the correct order.
Al - in - Stockton.
KCSfan Al, Was the trainset given different names when it ran on each of its several different routes? Mark
Al,
Was the trainset given different names when it ran on each of its several different routes?
KCSfan Were the different routes of this train all in the geographical area between Illinois and the Rockies? Mark
Were the different routes of this train all in the geographical area between Illinois and the Rockies?
KCSfan passengerfan Deggesty Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right? Johnny Thats 2 down 18 to go. Al - in - Stockton Geez Al, if you'r going to charge Johnny for that question at least give him a yes or no answer. Mark
passengerfan Deggesty Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right? Johnny Thats 2 down 18 to go. Al - in - Stockton
Deggesty Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right? Johnny
Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right?
Johnny
Geez Al, if you'r going to charge Johnny for that question at least give him a yes or no answer.
Deggesty passengerfan I am looking for the name of a train the RR that operated that train and at least three of the routes the train was assigned to? Al - in - Stockton Gentlemen you have twenty questions starting now. Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right? Johnny
passengerfan I am looking for the name of a train the RR that operated that train and at least three of the routes the train was assigned to? Al - in - Stockton Gentlemen you have twenty questions starting now.
I am looking for the name of a train the RR that operated that train and at least three of the routes the train was assigned to?
Gentlemen you have twenty questions starting now.
al-in-chgo The George Washington, Chesapeake & Ohio, Washington, D.C. (Newport News) - train joined in Charlottesville, VA, then ran thru West Virginia but was "decoupled" with one stem going thru Frankfort, KY to Louisville, and the "main" portion going to Cincinnati, OH, terminus, where it connected with such day trains as the James Whitcomb Riley up to Chicago. There may have been other "moving parts" to the C&O's best-known varnish up 'til the late Fifties, but I have indicated: one operating entity / operating under one name / with three routes no matter how you slice them (Newport News - C'ville), Wash. D.C. to Cincinnati (and/or branch to Louisville). I don't know if this is the train you had in mind, but does it fit your definition? - a.s.
The George Washington, Chesapeake & Ohio, Washington, D.C. (Newport News) - train joined in Charlottesville, VA, then ran thru West Virginia but was "decoupled" with one stem going thru Frankfort, KY to Louisville, and the "main" portion going to Cincinnati, OH, terminus, where it connected with such day trains as the James Whitcomb Riley up to Chicago.
There may have been other "moving parts" to the C&O's best-known varnish up 'til the late Fifties, but I have indicated: one operating entity / operating under one name / with three routes no matter how you slice them (Newport News - C'ville), Wash. D.C. to Cincinnati (and/or branch to Louisville).
I don't know if this is the train you had in mind, but does it fit your definition? - a.s.
All the trains I know of have been mentioned so it's time to draw this question to a close. By my count the score is:
Henry - 1
Al-in-Stockton - 3 (Sorry but the Meremaid wasm't named after a specific woman and doesn't count.)
adkdivfan - 1
Al is our winner and gets to ask the next question.
Nice try, Al.
Henry Flagler had three wives at one time or another - none of whom were named Dixie. No.s one and three were named Mary, wife No. 2 was named Alice.
No cigar, there.
Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
Dixie Flagler was the wife of Henry Flagler and the train was named for her.
The Nancy Hanks II was a Central of Georgia passenger train, not Southern Railway. It did not turn a wheel on the Southern, only the CofG. The Southern controlled the CofG after 1963, but the Nancy was inaugurated in 1948, long before the Southern conquest - er, takeover - of the Central.
The Central of Georgia still exists as a legal entity but for operating purposes is part and parcel of NS. Until fairly recently it had separate (and different) contracts with the operating unions. Possibly still does.
If the question is not closed I have one more the Mermaid a PRSL train between Philadelphia and Atlantic City.
adkdivfan C&NW's Kate Shelley 400, Chicago-Clinton IA. IC's Miss Lou, Jackson MS-New Orleans.M-K-T's Katy Ltd, San Antonio-Kansas City.
C&NW's Kate Shelley 400, Chicago-Clinton IA. IC's Miss Lou, Jackson MS-New Orleans.M-K-T's Katy Ltd, San Antonio-Kansas City.
The Kate Shelley definitely but not the other two. Neither the Miss Lou nor Katy Ltd (or Katy Flyer) were named for women. The former was merely an abbreviation of the two states covered by the train and the latter just the "common name" by which the MKT was known.
al-in-chgo Don't bother replying -- yes, you win! The Internet had the complete poem about Abe Lincoln's (blood) mother who died when he was nine. But Wiki stub specifically connected the famous trotting horse (named for the biped) to the Sou. Rwy. train, 1947-1971.
Don't bother replying -- yes, you win! The Internet had the complete poem about Abe Lincoln's (blood) mother who died when he was nine. But Wiki stub specifically connected the famous trotting horse (named for the biped) to the Sou. Rwy. train, 1947-1971.
I hope I'm not being too nit picky but you've got it right. The race horse was named after Lincoln's birth mother and the train was named for the race horse. When the Central of Georgia first put it in service the drumhead on the last car depicted a horses head framed by a horseshoe.
Re: "al-in-chgo: The Nancy Hanks, Atlanta - Savannah, Southern Rwy."
"Sorry Al but the Nancy doesn't count. The train along with its Man 'o War companion were named for famous race horses".
If you say so, but didn't the name also belong to Abraham Lincoln's Southern-born stepmother? - a.s.
Poem on request ito anyone who pm's me. - a.s.
passengerfan I came up with five. Ann Rutledge - Alton later GM&O between Chicago and St. Louis Dixie Flagler - FEC owned but operated over the C&EI, NC&STL,L&N, AB&C, ACL, FEC between Chicago and Miami Nellie Bly - PRR PRSL - Philadelphia - Atlantic City Phoebe Snow - DL&W New York - Buffalo later after merger with Erie extended to Chicago POCAHONTAS - N&W between Norfolk and Cincinnatti Al - in - Stockton
I came up with five.
Ann Rutledge - Alton later GM&O between Chicago and St. Louis
Dixie Flagler - FEC owned but operated over the C&EI, NC&STL,L&N, AB&C, ACL, FEC between Chicago and Miami
Nellie Bly - PRR PRSL - Philadelphia - Atlantic City
Phoebe Snow - DL&W New York - Buffalo later after merger with Erie extended to Chicago
POCAHONTAS - N&W between Norfolk and Cincinnatti
I'll credit you with three trains, the Ann Rutledge, Nellie Bly and Pocahontas. Henry mentioned the Phoebe first so credit goes to him for naming her.
The Dixie Flagler was not named for a woman. The Dixie part of its name derived from its running on the Dixie line route of the Dixieland and Dixie Flyer. Flagler referred to Henry M. Flagler, Florida land developer and FEC mogul.
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