Classic Train Questions Part Deux (50 Years or Older)

[AWP290]

The Pennsylvania Railroad and the Southern Pacific.

 Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA

[wanswheel]

Which two American railroads did Khrushchev ride in 1959?

Mike

[Deggesty]

ZephyrOverland

That's the train I was looking for.  The New York-Pinehurst Carolina Golfer ran for two seasons, 1929-1930 and 1930-1931.  I was not aware about the NS operation from Southern Pines to Pinehurst since the contemporary ads in the Official Guide show it as a SAL operation

I failed to really examine the timetables yesterday before I pointed out that the train used the NS track to get into Pinehurst. The junction was at Aberdeen, not Southern Pines--and the cars were carried on a scheduled NS train 6.1 miles to Pinehurst. This was a daily, except Sunday train that ran between Aberdeen and Asheboro. The NS TT also shows a Sunday only train between Aberdeen and Pinehurst that carried the cars on that day. So, NS crews may well have operated the trains when on the NS track.

Johnny

[ZephyrOverland]

wanswheel

There was a New York to Pinehurst train called the Carolina Golfer during the 1929-30 winter season. 

 

That's the train I was looking for.  The New York-Pinehurst Carolina Golfer ran for two seasons, 1929-1930 and 1930-1931.  I was not aware about the NS operation from Southern Pines to Pinehurst since the contemporary ads in the Official Guide show it as a SAL operation.

Wanswheel - it's your turn to ask a question.

[Deggesty]

wanswheel

There was a New York to Pinehurst train called the Carolina Golfer during the 1929-30 winter season. 

I just looked at the SAL and NS schedules in the January, 1930, issue of the Guide, and found that they show no SAL line into Pinehurst (though the map shows it)--but the NS carried the cars between the SAL and Pinehurst; SAL crews may have moved the trains on the NS, since 9.2 miles is not a long day's work. There was also a setout sleeper NY-Raleigh on the train, which was taken off at the Johnson St. (SAL) station, and moved into the Union station. The SAL trains that then stopped in Raleigh went into and out of the Union station (with a backup move).

Johnny

[wanswheel]

There was a New York to Pinehurst train called the Carolina Golfer during the 1929-30 winter season. 

[Deggesty]

ZephyrOverland

Southern Pines was on the Seabord main line, a station I used on occasion when stationed at Fort Bragg, but I never heard of a branch line to nearby Pinehurst.  

Looking at two Guides I have near my computer, one issued in 1944, and the other in 1950. I see the earlier SAL map showing a branch to Pinehurst; it was gone by 1950.

Johnny

[ZephyrOverland]

daveklepper

Southern Pines was on the Seabord main line, a station I used on occasion when stationed at Fort Bragg, but I never heard of a branch line to nearby Pinehurst.   (The road linking the two towns was the very first divided four lane highway in the USA with a neutral ground and grass between opposing directions.)  If the train ran on the RF&P and Seabord, then I would suspect it was a Washington - Wilmington, NC train.  If there was a branch line at one time to Pinehurst. then a short consist but possibly all-first-class parlor Waqshington - Pinehurst doodle-bug led train would have had a reason for existance.   Good name would have been the Tar Heel   or jsut the Pinehurst Limited. 

 

Is this a submitted question or are you just thinking out loud?

[daveklepper]

Southern Pines was on the Seabord main line, a station I used on occasion when stationed at Fort Bragg, but I never heard of a branch line to nearby Pinehurst.   (The road linking the two towns was the very first divided four lane highway in the USA with a neutral ground and grass between opposing directions.)  If the train ran on the RF&P and Seabord, then I would suspect it was a Washington - Wilmington, NC train.  If there was a branch line at one time to Pinehurst. then a short consist but possibly all-first-class parlor Waqshington - Pinehurst doodle-bug led train would have had a reason for existance.   Good name would have been the Tar Heel   or jsut the Pinehurst Limited. 

[KCSfan]

Must be Wilmington, but darned if I can find the name of the train.

Edit: Southern Pines (Pinehurst) is also a possibility. But I can't find the name of a train that terminated there either.

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

Deggesty

Was the southern terminus a resort town in North Carolina?

Johnny

 

(14) yes

[Deggesty]

Was the southern terminus a resort town in North Carolina?

Johnny

[ZephyrOverland]

wanswheel

Does a railroad yet to be named have a component generically similar to a component of RF&P, such as a city or body of water?

(13) no - the railroads associated with this train have been mentioned

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

I can't think of a named SAL train in the post WW2 period that didn't run either to Florida or through Atlanta. Therefor I have to ask if it was a train that was discontinued prior to WW2?

Mark

 

(12) yes

[wanswheel]

Does a railroad yet to be named have a component generically similar to a component of RF&P, such as a city or body of water?

[KCSfan]

I can't think of a named SAL train in the post WW2 period that didn't run either to Florida or through Atlanta. Therefor I have to ask if it was a train that was discontinued prior to WW2?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

If it ran on the RF&P that probably eliminates the Southern leaving us with two likely candidates, the ACL and the SAL. Ennie meenie minney moe, did the train run on the Seaboard?

Mark

 

(11) wise choice - yes

[KCSfan]

If it ran on the RF&P that probably eliminates the Southern leaving us with two likely candidates, the ACL and the SAL. Ennie meenie minney moe, did the train run on the Seaboard?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Well we've eliminated Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, New Orleans, Atlanta and all the cities in Florida. It's probably time to concentrate on the RR's over which the train ran. Was the RF&P one of them?

Mark

 

(10) yes

[KCSfan]

Well we've eliminated Cincy, Louisville, Memphis, New Orleans, Atlanta and all the cities in Florida. It's probably time to concentrate on the RR's over which the train ran. Was the RF&P one of them?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

 

KCSfan

Was one of the train's end point terminals a city located on a major river (e.g. the Mississippi or Ohio)?

Mark

(9) no

[KCSfan]

Was one of the train's end point terminals a city located on a major river (e.g. the Mississippi or Ohio)?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Did the train run to or through Atlanta?

Mark

 

(8) no

[KCSfan]

Did the train run to or through Atlanta?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Was one of the end point terminals of the train a city in one of the southern states (states bordered on the north by and including Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky)?

Mark

 

(7) yes

[KCSfan]

Was one of the end point terminals of the train a city in one of the southern states (states bordered on the north by and including Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky)?

Mark

[ZephyrOverland]

KCSfan

Is a city in Florida one of the end points of its route?

Mark

 

(6) no

[ZephyrOverland]

wanswheel

Is Philadelphia a stop?

 

(5) yes

[KCSfan]

Is a city in Florida one of the end points of its route?

Mark

[wanswheel]

Is Philadelphia a stop?