wanswheel Overland Limited on Dec. 19, 1916. GM was Bill Jeffers.
Overland Limited on Dec. 19, 1916. GM was Bill Jeffers.
So what we going to research next?
Name 2 railroads that, in one state, served 3 cities that start with X, Y and Z.
Xenia, Youngstown and Zanesville, Ohio all three were served by both the B&O and the Pennsy.
Mark
Mark, yes your turn.
CSX ought to serve Xenia to justify the X in its unrailroady name.
http://trains.rockycrater.org/graphics/pfmsig/atlas48/oh-1948.jpg
"A Mill to the Mile" was an advertising slogan used by what railroad?
What was unusual about this railroad?
My mind runs wild on this having just driven through New England...but my real thoughts turn toward Pittsburgh, PA and maybe the Monongahela or the Interstate. Unusual? Only moved cars between mills and parts of mills with minimum interchange. And probably owned by one of the steele companies like US Steele or Bethlehem.
OR ACY! Almost the same reasons!
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The road in question is the Piedmont & Northern, a former interurban which dieselized with an all-Alco roster and was later absorbed by SCL. It operated two separate divisions, one in North Carolina and one in South Carolina. A proposed connection between the two divisions was never built. The mills in the slogan are textile mills.
Piedmont & Northern equipment can be found at the North Carolina Transporation Museum, The Charlotte Trolley Museum and the South Carolina Railroad Museum.
CSSHEGEWISCH The road in question is the Piedmont & Northern, a former interurban which dieselized with an all-Alco roster and was later absorbed by SCL. It operated two separate divisions, one in North Carolina and one in South Carolina. A proposed connection between the two divisions was never built. The mills in the slogan are textile mills.
That's the one. The 89 mile South Carolina Div ran between Greenwood and Spartanburg. The 23 mile North Carolina Div ran between Gastonia and Charlotte. Between Spartanburg and Gastonia there was a gap of 50+ miles between the two Divisions. Unlike most interurbans the Piedmont & Northern had a significant carload freight business and continued to operate long after its passenger service was discontinued..
ChewG: NEXT QUESTION PLEASE
Rio Grande had two ABA sets of PA1/PB1's on its roster. What was their initial assignment?
CSSHEGEWISCH Rio Grande had two ABA sets of PA1/PB1's on its roster. What was their initial assignment?
Trains No. 1 & 2, The Royal Gorge. This is just a guess.
Johnny
Deggesty's first thought is correct. He gets to ask the next question.
For several years, the RG public timetables had a picture of the California Zephyr--powered by an Alco PA-PB-PB.
New question: How did the Burlington participate in Chicago-Colorado Springs through passenger traffic in the late fifties? What cars ran between the two cities, and name the trains that carried the cars.
Johnny,
I don't have an OG for any of the years 1956-1960 so I'll have to guess as to this question. As far as I know the only through cars running between Chicago and Colorado Springs in 1955 were the coaches and a sleeper carried on the Rock Island's Rocky Mountain Rocket. Any through car(s) via the Burlington at a later time were probably carried in trains no. 1&10, the Denver Zephyr between Chicago and Denver and between Denver and Colorado Springs in Rio Grande trains no. 1&2, the Royal Gorge. The arrival and departure times of these trains at Denver would have made the connection quite feasible. While there may have been a through coach, I think it more likely the only through car in this service was a single sleeper.
KCSfan Johnny, I don't have an OG for any of the years 1956-1960 so I'll have to guess as to this question. As far as I know the only through cars running between Chicago and Colorado Springs in 1955 were the coaches and a sleeper carried on the Rock Island's Rocky Mountain Rocket. Any through car(s) via the Burlington at a later time were probably carried in trains no. 1&10, the Denver Zephyr between Chicago and Denver and between Denver and Colorado Springs in Rio Grande trains no. 1&2, the Royal Gorge. The arrival and departure times of these trains at Denver would have made the connection quite feasible. While there may have been a through coach, I think it more likely the only through car in this service was a single sleeper. Mark
"Overnight, Every Night"
I'll give you a pass on the equipment, and invite you to ask the next question.
I rode the Denver Zephyr Chicago - Colorado Springs through slumbercoach. It was a regular for quite a few years. As far as I remember it was the only such through car on the DZ. But there may have been a through coach also. There was no through Pullman on the DZ. May have been on other Q trains in the heavywieght era. The car I rode was an NP car in the regular Chicago-based pool that covered the Blackhawk, the Mainstreeter, the North Coast Limited, and the Denver Zephyr. The NP and CB&Q both contriputed to this slumbercoach pool, and possibly the SP&S contributed one car, also, but I don't remember seeing it. That is the reason the NP colors were never applied to the NP's slumbercoaches.
Dave, when was it that you rode the Denver Zephyr-Royal Gorge? I have not looked at later issues of the Guide, but the May, 1958, issue shows, in the Burlington representation, four through cars as I listed them. It may well be that by the time you rode, the others were not run through because traffic had fallen off.
Originally, all of the cars that were built for the new DZ were to be operated on just that train and the Royal Gorge; in time, the Burlington saw that it was advantageous to not only exchange cars with the North Coast Limited, but also with the American Royal Zephyr.
You're right Johnny, I would never have guessed there was a sufficent passenger volume to justify running four through cars between Chicago and Colorado Springs. Now on to the next question.
Everyone is familiar with the Illinois Central, the "Mainline of Mid-America". However at one time there was also a second, much shorter, Illinois Central. What was the route of this "other" Illinois Central?
Johnny, a question about the Colo Spgs/Chicago service via the "Q" and Rio Grande came to mind. According to my info Pueblo had the second largest population of any Colorado cities up until 1960. Did any of the four cars run on to Pueblo which is only about 45 miles from Colo Spgs? If not, I wonder why they didn't as it would seem logical to serve that city given its population and the business travel that I imagine the Colo Fuel & Iron Co. generated.
Mark, I have not looked up the schedules for the duration of this service, but to run these cars to Pueblo would have called for a third set. The schedule in May, 1958, shows two and a half hours between the time that #1 arrived in Colorado Springs and # 2 left--but only fifteen minutes in Pueblo was scheduled, which is not quite enough time to service the cars.
In the late thirties, the Southern did operate a diner on the Queen and Crescent (Cincinnati-New Orleans train) between Cincinnati and Markwald (your Wood), Miss. No time is given for the trains at Markwald (just south of Heidelberg and north of Sandersville, which were flag stops for the train) but it must have been the scheduled meeting point for the two trains from their times at Heidelberg and Sandersville, and the diner was taken off the southbound train and put on the northbound train--add a switching move to the meet.
I am not completely certaind of the date, but it may have been as late as 1962. The train south from Denver was the Royal Gorge or Panorama or whatever it was called, a Denver-Grand Junction train, combined there with the Prospector for the run to SLCity. I think it also had some SF equipment to run south from Pueblo to Raton or wherever to connect with the Chief. My business was in Colorado Springs on that trip. I had ridden the train northbound from CS to Denver in 1960.
Dave, I checked in the September, 1962 Guide, and it showed that all four cars were still running through. It may be that the day you rode the Slumbercoach was the only through car. I also looked in the January, 1964 (I have none between the two), issue, and only the three revenue cars were then running through.
It was the Royal Gorge; the Panorama, which ran over the Dotsero Cutoff, was discontinued when the California Zephyr was inaugurated.
I am glad you were able to make use of the through service; for many years I longed to take this train and that train, and by the time I was able to travel more there were many fewer trains (and routes) to travel.
KCSfan Everyone is familiar with the Illinois Central, the "Mainline of Mid-America". However at one time there was also a second, much shorter, Illinois Central. What was the route of this "other" Illinois Central?
It looks like some hints will be needed to get an answer to this question.
The "little" Illinois Central was located in west-central Illinois. Its first rails were laid in1903 and it was totally abandoned in 1928 giving it a life span of only 25 years.
Illinois Central Electric Railway
"It started in Canton, Illinois, and extended through Fulton County to the towns of Norris, Bryant, Farmington, Fairview, St. David, Lewistown, and Dunfermline."
http://www.lib.niu.edu/1994/ihy941217.html
http://www.davesrailpix.com/odds/il/htm/ictc01.htm
Bingo we have a winner. The area served by the IC Electric is located west of Peoria. Next question please Mike.
Dodge Challenger is a car with a name-train name. Name, by train, a certain model of Chrysler, Pontiac, Studebaker, Nash and Hudson
Mike
Pontiac built a model called the Super Chief (ATSF) for a couple of years in the 50's.Studebaker built the Champion (ACL) and the Commander (NYNH&H) for years, Chrysler built a New Yorker (Sou Ry), Nash built the Ambassador (CV), and Hudson built the Pacemaker (NYC).
Oldsmobile should get honorable mention for the 4-4-2 which, as we know, was a wheel arrangement and a Pullman configuration, but not a named train.
Bob Hanson, Loganville, GA
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