CP-CN change for the Gull was at St Johns NB, not Moncton. I think the car you're looking for was the Calais-Boston car, usually accompanied by express reefers full of fish. Milk cars were also handled, at least from Bangor to Boston, having been collected by milk trains for forwarding.
rcdrye CP-CN change for the Gull was at St Johns NB, not Moncton.
CP-CN change for the Gull was at St Johns NB, not Moncton.
You are right and I should have known better. The CP didn't even go to Moncton.
Mark
KCSfan Deggesty right so far, Mark--but what about the sleeper that stayed in this country, and rode with the groceries? Johnny, I've looked in obvious places with no success but I'll keep trying. I suspect it was Potato something or other as Maine was famous for that crop. Incidentaly, the route of the Gull was: B&M Boston to Portland, MEC Portland to Vanceboro, CP Vanceboro to Moncton and CN Moncton to Halifax. Quite a roundabout was due to the Bay of Fundy. Mark
Deggesty right so far, Mark--but what about the sleeper that stayed in this country, and rode with the groceries?
right so far, Mark--but what about the sleeper that stayed in this country, and rode with the groceries?
Johnny, I've looked in obvious places with no success but I'll keep trying. I suspect it was Potato something or other as Maine was famous for that crop. Incidentaly, the route of the Gull was: B&M Boston to Portland, MEC Portland to Vanceboro, CP Vanceboro to Moncton and CN Moncton to Halifax. Quite a roundabout was due to the Bay of Fundy.
Johnny
Johnny, I'll make a semi-educated guess. The car was the Boston - Vqn Buren sleeper that ran in the BAR's Aroostook Flyer.
Mark, you have the right destination--but the car did not go up to Van Buren on the day train, but on one that left so early that it was transferred at Northern Maine Junction, and not at Bangor, where the southbound Van Buren-Boston car was transferred from the BAR. What was that train's name?
It had to be the BAR's other name train, The Potatoland Special.
KCSfan It had to be the BAR's other name train, The Potatoland Special. Mark
This through train ran over several different railroads and was diesel powered on all but one of them when inaugurated. Its route over one of these roads was entirely behind steam and was advertised as being the longest steam powered run without an intermediate fuel stop in the world. Name the train, the railroad and the end points of its marathon steam run.
KCSfan This through train ran over several different railroads and was diesel powered on all but one of them when inaugurated. Its route over one of these roads was entirely behind steam and was advertised as being the longest steam powered run without an intermediate fuel stop in the world. Name the train, the railroad and the end points of its marathon steam run. Mark Mark
Deggesty Was that the L&N's power for the South Wind (200 miles Nashville-Birmingham)?
Was that the L&N's power for the South Wind (200 miles Nashville-Birmingham)?
Johnny, you've got the right railroad and train but the run through without refueling was considerably longer. The L&N shipped a costly high grade of coal to its southern end point to make the feat possible. Water was taken on at several intermediate stops. While not the norm, occasionally some coal would have to be taken on enroute to ensure completion of the run.
KCSfan Deggesty Was that the L&N's power for the South Wind (200 miles Nashville-Birmingham)? Johnny, you've got the right railroad and train but the run through without refueling was considerably longer. The L&N shipped a costly high grade of coal to its southern end point to make the feat possible. Water was taken on at several intermediate stops. While not the norm, occasionally some coal would have to be taken on enroute to ensure completion of the run. Mark
Deggesty 490 miles Louisville-Montgomery? The only station stops between were Nashville and Birmingham, and were scheduled for seven minutes each.
490 miles Louisville-Montgomery? The only station stops between were Nashville and Birmingham, and were scheduled for seven minutes each.
Bingo! That's it, Johnny. The engine was No. 295 a L&N K-5 Pacific which was given streamlined shrouding and an over size tender.
In 1930, it was possible to spend the night in a Pullman between Bluefield, W.Va., and Charleston, W.Va.,--and cross two other states while doing so. What was the routing, and what other two states were crossed?
Johnny...I guess the question is...WHY would you even want to do that?
I'll guess VA and MD, but the routing escapes me, as does the reason for making such a circuitous trip.
I come up with Virginia and Kentucky, via C&O and N&W. No reason I can think of for doing it, either, but the lines came together near Ashland KY.
Rob, you have the roads and one of the two states, but the wrong junction. The name of the junction, where the main line of the N&W crossed over the main line of the C&O, has a logical origin.
Kenova KY is commont to both. I can't quite get the route into Ohio, hard as I try.
Ian, you are right with Virginia as one of the states. As the N&W runs west from Bluefield, it ducks back into Virginia for a few miles, going through Bluefield, Virginia, on the way.
There is a point at which the track crosses into Kentucky and back into West Virginia on the way to Kenova (quick, what is the origin of the name?) where the interchange was.
Mark arrived at the most correct parts of the answer, even though he wanted to go through Ohio. He did put Kenova in the wrong state.
Back in 1969, I slept across three states after boarding the sleeper in Roanoke and before detraining in Cincinnati--and I slept across one of them twice! I know that does not sound as interesting as my having slept across Arkansas and Texas in one night does, though.
I think IGN is up!
Not being a great expert, I'll try something where I let others provide the answers.
So here goes. A Contest. Begining when I post this and ending at 0200 CDT Saturday 30 May 2015
Washington Union Station was opened in 1907. And is currently Amtraks second busiest station according to the Wikipedia entry.
The contest : Name as many name trains prior to Amtrak as possible that served Washington Union Station. One is only allowed 1 entry with as many trains as possible. Only 1 entry per train ie if someone has already put the train down it is their point. However you may still get a few points off the train
Points for the following: The first person to name the train with the train number 10 points.
Name the years the train ran, 2 points for the start date and 1 point for the end date. If the name of the train was used more then once by the same railroad each additional start date is 2 points. and an additional point for its end.
Next connecting sleepers on a name train. 5 points for each naming the end point and 2 points for the start and 1 for the end.
At the end of your entry please tally the points you are claiming.
I'll start with this example: The Diplomat, B&O trains 3&4(10 pts), From Jersey City to St Louis. August 1930(2 pts) to 1959(1 pt).
Total 13 points.
Now if anyone can cite any connecting sleepers for this train please feel free to grab the connecting points.
I await your postings with great interest.
Thx IGN
Since nobody else replied so far, I'll start the ball rolling with the B&O, with a fine website to help, sorely lacking in some other cases.
1 and 2, The National Limited, Jersey City - St. Louis, 4 April 1925 - 26 April 1958, cut back from JC to Baltimore and run to St. L. into 1964, then on the B&O only to Cincinnati, with cars through to St. Louis on the C&O until 1965. In Oct. 64 the "Limited" was dropped, just The National. It may have started in Penn Station rather than in JC for the first several months of operation.
3 and 4 you mentioned, the Diplomat
5 and 6 Capitol Limited, 5 May 23, PennStation, then 1926 Jersey City - Chicago, cut back to Baltimre 26 April 58, then cut back to Washington 1966, and ran to start of Amtrak 1 May 1971.
7 and 8 Shenandoa, originally the Fort Pitt, same time changes as the Capitol Limited, except this train took over the Diplojmat name in 1964.
9 Chicago Express, 10, Wshignton Express. dates missing
11, 12 The Metropolitan Special, JC -St. Louis, cut back to Batl 26 April 58, WAsh, 62, ran to Amtrak
19, 20 Ambassador, named 1930, cars handled in the Capitol to Willard as the Capitol-Detroit after 1964. Otherwise JC - Detroit with the 1958 Balt cutback
21 22 Daylight Special RDC, Phil-Pitttsburgh 1956-1958, then from Balt to end of January 63.
53 54, Cincinnatian, Balt-Cin 41-50,moved to Det. - Cinc.
Some other railroads without looking up specific dates or numbers, only through trains counted in both directions through Washington, not just cars talked on corridodr trains.
PRR: Morning Congressional, Afternoon Congressional, Edison, Keystone, to and from New York. Federal, Colonial, Senator, to and from Boston, through on the NY Connecting and New Haven. Montrealer to Washington and Washingtonian return, through on the NYConnecting, New Haven, Boston and Maine, Cenetral Vermont, and Canadian National. East Wind, to and fromj Bar Harbor, Maine, through on NYCon, NYNH&H, B&M, MC. Washingnton Sections of The General, Admiral, Juniata. RF&P south to Ricvhmond, PRR north to NYCity: East Coast and West Coast Champions, Florida Special, Havana Special, all ACL south of Richmond, all except West Coast Champion FEC`south of Jacksonville, until strike. all to Miami except West Coast Champion, all also to Tampa and St. Pete except East Coast Champion and Florida Special. WC`Champion thru cars to Montgomery, AL. At one time the Havana Special ran to Key West. At other times it had through cars to Atlanta, and to Wilmington, NC, and Norfolk via the N&W from Petersburg. Orange Blossom Special, Silver Meteor and Silver Star to Miami and to St. Pete via Tampa, Silver Comet to Birmingham, all SAL south of Richmond. Without thru operation on PRR, Eveglades and Palmetto on the ACL, and Sunland and Palmland on the SAL. But all had through Pullmans north of Washington on the PRR at one time or another. C&O to Cincinnatti, Louisville, St. Louis, and Detroit, Fasr Flying Virginian, then the Sportsman, and then the George Washington. Until the B&O affiliation, C&O trains were handled by the New York Central north of Toledo. The C&O trains had thru Pullmans on the PRR north to NYCity. The Southern had the Southerner to New Orleans with northbound running on the PRR to NYCity. Ditto the all-Pullman Crescent Limited, but south of Atlanta on the A&WP, WP&WA, and L&N. Originating in Washington but with some thru Pullmlans to NY were the Piedmont Limited, routed like the Crescent, the Pelican, using the N&W between Lynchburg and Bristol, and to Memphis and Chatanooga, the Tennesean. Also Southern were the Aiken-Augusta Special.
Now I will leave it to others for dates and train numbers -- and some additional trains
What, nobody else answering? Should I ask the next question?
Should I ask the next question?
But someone else has to post them. I was allowed only one chance on this sp;ecific question and used it. So who will get the honors, now?
Frankly, this reminds me of the essay question on the Law School Admissions Test I took years ago about how you would defend someone from a traffic ticket. It's endless....nearly.
Can DaveK get the honors and we can move on?
Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!
Get the Classic Trains twice-monthly newsletter