NP Eddie Johnny: Are looking the eight cars built for the Crescent and Royal Palm trains? They were in the "Royal" series except for the FEC car "Azalea". I don't know the answers for the other questions. Ed Burns
Johnny:
Are looking the eight cars built for the Crescent and Royal Palm trains? They were in the "Royal" series except for the FEC car "Azalea".
I don't know the answers for the other questions.
Ed Burns
I'm pretty sure Ed is correct. Four of the cars were owned by the Southern and were assigned to the Royal Palm except in the winter season when they ran in the New Royal Palm. The other four cars were assigned to the Crescent. The Southern owned one of these four, the L&N owned two and the fourth was owned by the WRyofA. I'm not sure but think the Azalea was owned by the L&N not the FEC. The Crescent also ran over the PRR and the A&WP but neither of these roads owned any of these cars. Pullman Standard built the cars.
Mark
Azalea was the FEC car, later used by FEC as a business car. Most FEC cars had one word names.
We're missing two things: the name shared by a car and a train, and the owner of one of the cars (Southern owned only three).
Mark, the L&N did have a Cincinnati-New Orleans train named Azalean. It ran somewhat opposite to the Pan American--leave Cincinnati in the evening and arrive in New Orleans the next afternoon, and leave New Orleans in the morning and arrive in Cincinnati about noon the next day.
As an aside, two of the cars continued in revenue service, as built, after the Southern stopped operating observation cars; what train carried them?
Johnny
I rode in one on the Gulf Coast Limited, SAL-L&N, Jacksonville - New Orleans, but I don't know if this was a regular assignment.
daveklepper I rode in one on the Gulf Coast Limited, SAL-L&N, Jacksonville - New Orleans, but I don't know if this was a regular assignment.
Dave, I think the train you refer to was the Gulf Wind not its predecessor the Gulf Coast Ltd. which IIRC was a unstreamlined heavyweight train.
I just looked in my November, 1938, issue of the Guide, and the New Orleans Florida Limited was the predecessor to the Gulf Wind--which carried Royal Canal and Royal Street until about 1966; when I rode from Jacksonville to New Orleans in the spring of 1967, the cars were no longer used. They had a longer life there than they did on the Crescent. I rode Pensacola to New Orleans in 1960 and 1961, New Orleans to Gulfport in 1962, and New Orleans to Atlanta in 1966 (no observation east of Flomaton), and there was one on the rear each time.
This is filler for Johnny. All cars Plan 4162, lot 6814 P-S February-March 1950. I'll leave the answer to the car and train sharing the same name to the reader...
Southern:
Royal Arch (Crescent)
Royal Court (Royal Palm)
Royal Palm (Royal Palm) (1950 Pullman list says this is a CNO&TP car)
L&N (Crescent)
Royal Canal
Royal Street
WofA (Crescent)
Royal Palace
NYC (Royal Palm)
Royal Crest
FEC (Royal Palm)
Azalea
Yes, I rode the Gulf Wind several times, and at least one time it had an L&N obs-sleeper at the rear. One time I rode it just between Jax and Tallahasee in coach, and it had an SAL regular obs-lounge at the rear.
I liked that train a great deal. Good crews, good food in the diner. Sorry about the Dislexic mixup on the name. I did acoustical consulting work a the Jax Civic Aud., U. of Jax Music School, St. James Ch., Jewish Community Center Syn., and at the Fla. State U. Music Building (Talahassee). I tried to use rail as much as possible. Once, though, I had to plan on using Greyhound. But on line to the ticket window at the Talahassee bus sta., I was approached by two businessmen who had planned on driving to Jax and had two cars and wished to drive together in one. So I ended up driving one of the pair's cars. I was in my late 20's and would take that kind of chance. Today, even if I still drove, I would not.. The drive went smoothly.
Lots of jumping in from the contestants--
Ed Burns had four correct answers: the names of the cars (Royal series with Azalea), and two trains they were ordered for.
Mark was right that the L&N, WRA, and SOU ordered the cars, but he missed the right quantity for the Southern, and wanted one car ascribed to the wrong road. He added the New Royal Palm. He did note that A&WP & PRR had no skin in the observation game (the A&WP did provide a diner).
rcd told us why one had an odd name, and added NYC for one car.
As I see it, it's almost a tie between Ed and Mark, with Ed having a slight edge.
I look forward to your question so fire away Ed.
WOW:
My original questions about Mallet (Malley's) got hijacked with questions about compounding versus other types of Malley;s.
So I will ask what Class 1's did not have Malley's (in any form)? I believe that the RFP, CEI, CNW, CGW?, and MSTL were some of the roads.
Happily retired NP-BN-BNSF from Northtown
Ed, there are over a hundred of them. Here's my list of just those beginning with A and B.
AC&Y. AGS, AT&N, Alton, Ann Arbor, AB&C, A&StAB, ACL, Bangor & Arrostook, B&M, BR&P, BA&P. I'll leave it to someone else to finish the list.
Actually, the RF&P had three former C&O articulateds, 2-8-8-2s, at Potomac Yard for hump service. But as I wrote this, I remembered they were not Mallets!
B&M had some 2-6-6-2s that were used on the Hoosac line before it was electrified.
Ed, did you declare a winner? I nominate Mark (even if he did include B&M...)
Rob:
Well, I think Mark should be the winner.
News from the Twin Cities----the Green Line (AKA Capitol Corridor) is scheduled to open late this spring. There has been on derailment on that line. I saw the photograph it looks like ice and snow in the flangeway that cause the front truck to derail.
Rob---do you plan to come to the Twin Cities this summer? Three passenger routes are waiting for us to ride.
763-234-9306
Ed, your thread on the locomotives side has returned to your original topic. Sorry I derailed it, I hope you'll find what you are looking for there.
In 1930 what railroad inaugurated the Anniversary Fleet? What trains made up this "fleet" and what was the route of each?
narig01 WAG on the railroad. The Baltimore & Ohio Rgds IGN
The B&O is a good logical guess but it's not the right railroad. The Anniversary Fleet was named in celebration of the road's 80th anniversary.
I would say the Pennsylvania, which was chartered in 1846, but apparently did not begin construction until 1850--but I do not know where to look for information on the trains in the Fleet--the January, 1930, Guide, of course, has no such information.
CB&Q, whose predecessor Aurora Branch RR opened in 1849 or 1850, had the Anniversary fleet of heavyweights before the Zephyrs. I'm pretty sure the Aristocrat (Denver), Blackhawk (Twin Cities), Ak-Sar-Ben (Omaha/Lincoln) and the American Royal (Kansas City), some of which later got Zephyr status, were part of the Anniversary fleet.
And, I did not even glance at the Burlington!. The American Royal (overnight Chicago-Kansas City) did not exist until the Q had a more direct route into Kansas City.
rcdrye CB&Q, whose predecessor Aurora Branch RR opened in 1849 or 1850, had the Anniversary fleet of heavyweights before the Zephyrs. I'm pretty sure the Aristocrat (Denver), Blackhawk (Twin Cities), Ak-Sar-Ben (Omaha/Lincoln) and the American Royal (Kansas City), some of which later got Zephyr status, were part of the Anniversary fleet.
Bingo, Rob, light up your cigar and ask us a question. The Burlington and the first three trains you mentioned are correct. However, the American Royal was not a part of the Anniversary Fleet.
KCSfanHowever, the American Royal was not a part of the Anniversary Fleet.
This is what I get for jumping in before checking my info. Dubin's "Some Classic Trains" has a couple of pages on the matched cars built by Pullman (some rebuilt by CB&Q) for each train.
This train, which operated under different names during the summer and winter, started out using a subsidiary to reach its eastern terminus. Later it sent through cars there over a competing railroad, and finally cut back to its own hometown.
rcdrye This train, which operated under different names during the summer and winter, started out using a subsidiary to reach its eastern terminus. Later it sent through cars there over a competing railroad, and finally cut back to its own hometown.
The train(s) I'm looking for were operated jointly by two railroads over a long period. The winter version's cars were handled in a similarly named train from a junction point in a small city to the western destination. In the final years of operation the summer name was dropped, and the cars were operated year round via a different junction in a more important city.
Since no one's biting I'll tack on some years and cities...
The trains ran from Chicago to the west coast over the owner's owned or leased rails from the 1920s to 1933, when the trains' origination switched to St. Paul, with through cars from Chicago handled by another railroad. Through cars from Chicago ended in 1949. Summer-Winter name switch continued until 1958, through operation over a direct route until 1961 using the former winter-only name, through cars summer-only via a slightly longer route until 1965.
OK,you are refering to SOO - CP service, and the summer train is the Soo-Dominion from Chicago to Vancouver via the Wisconsin Central between Chicago and tthe Twin Cities. I could not find the name of the winter train. The through cars were later handled by the Milwaukee between the Twin Cities and Chicago.
Correct train (winter name). Summer name shared with B&M/MEC summer-only train. Cars were not handled on the Milwaukee.
The summer train was the Mountaineer.
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