Two western Class I's had narrow guage operations that survived long enough to have diesel locomotives. Carriers, Loco types and locations. Hint: one of them just squeaks under the 50 year limit for this thread.
I believe the SP had a GE(?) narrow gauge diesel switcher, No. 1, which worked the yard at Owenyo, CA and may also have run as a road engine on trains between Laws and Keeler.
The Rio Grande had at least one narrow gauge diesel switcher, No.50, which, and I'm only guessing, probably worked the yard at Durango. If not Durango it could just as easily have been Chama, Farmington or even Alamosa.
Mark
You got 'em both. SP 1 was a 50-ton GE diesel-electric unit delivered in 1954 used to the end of operations in 1960 as both a yard and road engine, backed up by 1912 Baldwin 4-6-0 9. SP 1 was similar to GE units shipped to Central America and the Dominican Republic.
D&RGW bought 1937 Davenport 25-ton unit 50 from the Sumpter Valley in 1963, used it in Antonito until the end of freight service in 1970. A feature of #50 in D&RGW service was the air cylinder and T-shaped track on each end plate to allow coupling to both narrow (bottom of T, center) and standard (top of T, one side or the other) guage cars on dual guage track.
D&RGW 50 was a diesel-mechanical unit that later operated on the Roaring Camp and Big Trees in Felton, CA, where it was often double-headed with a Heisler for a very strange set of motive power.
While Northern was the generally accepted name given to 4-8-4's, at least ten other railroads gave this type of engine more regionally based names. Not surprisingly, five of the ten were southern roads. What were the ten railroads and what were the names each of them gave to their 4-8-4's?
I'm no steam fan but I'll get it started:
NYC-Niagara
RF&P-General
NC&StL-Dixie
C&O-Greenbrier
LV-Wyoming
NdeM-Niagra
SP-Golden State
CSSHEGEWISCH I'm no steam fan but I'll get it started: NYC-Niagara RF&P-General NC&StL-Dixie C&O-Greenbrier LV-Wyoming NdeM-Niagra SP-Golden State
Good start Paul. The ten I was looking for were all US roads but since you've mentioned the NdeM Niagaras I'll expand the question to include all North American Railroads in which case there were 12 roads that chose to call their 4-8-4's something other than Northerns. You're correct in regards to the LV's being Wyomings, it was another road that called theirs Poconos.
Does anyone happen to know the nickname given to the NC&StL's Dixies?
Mark:
Where they the "yellow jackets"?
Ed Burns
763-234-9306
Hello,
Big Apple: CoFG
Confederation: CN/GTW
Dixie: NC&St.L
General : RFP
Greenbrier: C&O
Golden State: SP
Niagara: NYC
Niagara: NDEM
Pocono: DLW
Potomac: WM
Western: DRGW
Wyoming: LV
Any more?
NW
NP Eddie Mark: Where they the "yellow jackets"? Ed Burns 763-234-9306
Johnny
NorthWest Hello, Big Apple: CoFG Confederation: CN/GTW Dixie: NC&St.L General : RFP Greenbrier: C&O Golden State: SP Niagara: NYC Niagara: NDEM Pocono: DLW Potomac: WM Western: DRGW Wyoming: LV Any more? NW
That's the complete list as far as I know. I don't think "Big Apple" was an official name but instead was a nickname given to their 4-8-4's by Central of Georgia enginemen. I'm curious about the origin of the name and if anyone knows it let's hear from you.
IGN identified 2 of the 12 and Paul and NW are tied at 5 more each so which ever of you has a new question handy go ahead and post it.
KCSfan and a few others might enjoy this one:
Aside from red paint on the locomotives and the fact that they all served Kansas City, what do Chicago Great Western, Missouri-Kansas-Texas and Kansas City Southern all have in common?
Johnny:
Kratville, et. all "Steam, Steel, and Limiteds" has a black and white picture of a "yellow jacket" on page 152.
Paul:
Was the Demaris family the connection?
P. S. for 38 years I got paid to watch trains!
I'll give it to Ed, a member of the Deramus family occupied the president's seat of each of those roads. Until recently, a Deramus was the CEO of Kansas City Southern.
NP Eddie Johnny: Kratville, et. all "Steam, Steel, and Limiteds" has a black and white picture of a "yellow jacket" on page 152. Ed Burns 763-234-9306
There was an article in Trains several years back which featured the Dixies, and had several pictures which showed the difference between the Yellow Jackets and the Stripes.
CSSHEGEWISCH I'll give it to Ed, a member of the Deramus family occupied the president's seat of each of those roads. Until recently, a Deramus was the CEO of Kansas City Southern.
Not just a member of the Deramus family but William N. Deramus III who was president of the CGW 1949-57, the MKT 1957-61 and the KCS 1961-73.
His father, William N. Deramus, Jr., preceded him as president of the KCS from 1941 to 1961. His son, William N. Deramus IV was president of the KCS from 1986 to 1990.
Not surprisingly the KCS' big classification yard in Shreveport is named "Deramus Yard".
I can't speak for M-K-T, but both CGW and KCS ran long strings of cab units on freight trains into the mid 1960s. The CGW in particular liked A-B-B-B-B-A lashups on the line to Chicago, probably because the F3A/F7A units never did get nose MU.
rcdrye I can't speak for M-K-T, but both CGW and KCS ran long strings of cab units on freight trains into the mid 1960s. The CGW in particular liked A-B-B-B-B-A lashups on the line to Chicago, probably because the F3A/F7A units never did get nose MU.
The long lash-ups on heavy freights was a reflection of the Deramus operating policy of relatively few daily trains with heavy tonnage as a way of controlling costs.
AND, the Monon ! L.F. DeRamus was a direct relative whose branch of the family just spelled their name differently.
Flying TWA routinely from KC to college at Arizona State in the 60's I'd run into "3D" (Bill III) and his twin daughters Jill and Jean at KC Muni. They would be on the same flight because they also went to college in AZ. Jill eventually married the guy who sat next to me in high school home room.
Small world
Flyingcrow, you're up to ask the next question on the other quiz thread!
NP Eddie,
You are next!
What is your question?
I am honored!!
At BNSF's Northtown Yard (Minneapolis) one piece of equipment (still in use today) was connected with NP steam engines.
What is it?
Ed Burns 763-234-9306
Happily retired NP-BN-BNSF.
Just think---I got paid to watch trains for 38 years!
Ed,
Rotary Snowplow? BNSF 97255X series?
NW:
Nope!
A locomotive tender, used to store coal or oil and/or water?
Or a water tower or a sand tower?
Or a roundhouse and/or turntable?
Dave:
You are getting warm. Be more specific, as in Northern Pacific.
Posibly the same shop building and its associated equipment, such as a transfer table or crane that was used for overhaul and rebuilding NP's steam locomotives is still in use today for diesel or car repair.
Well---you are getting closer, but no cigar.
Let's get closer, as in a merry-go-round.
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