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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, July 1, 2021 8:27 PM

Milwaukee's were the only FP45's not equipped with dynamic braking.  IC's probably would have been the same, considering their motive power philosophy, and they would have looked terrific in IC passenger colours.

Erie-Lackawanna bought SDP45's without steam generators, they wanted the greater fuel capacity that a longer frame afforded.  I guess you could say they were SD45's on SDP45 frames.  

I guess no one at EMD or IC realized that the tooling to make the noses still existed Down Under into the early 1970s.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, July 1, 2021 8:13 PM

Was it Illinois Central that wanted to order Es, or units with E style nose, and was 'too late' to get an order in when passenger unit production changed (IIRC sometime in 1964?)

As noted about a 'turbocharged FL-9' there might have been interest in an E unit with the guts of a GP-40... or even a GP-38.  Heaven knows the idea worked later for Amtrak!

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, July 1, 2021 8:05 PM

Overmod got the railroads and models right.  SP's SDP45s served on all types of passenger trains and were around early enough to haul the Lark before it was discontinued.  Amtrak leased them, along with FP7s and F7Bs, until Amtrak's SDP40Fs took over some time in 1973.  By that time 3200 and 3205 had already been in the Commute Pool for over a year.  The remaining eight were transferred to the Commute Pool to replace the Fairbanks-Morse Trainmasters.  SP also bought three GP40P-2s, and rebuilt a pair of boiler SD9s to go with the eleven remaining boiler GP9s.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, July 1, 2021 10:13 AM

I believe that GN's SDP45's were pooled with the SDP40's for the "Empire Builder" and the "Western Star".  SP's SDP45's wound up in general passenger service, often running solo.  They didn't wind up on the Peninsula commute until sometime after May 1, 1971.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, June 30, 2021 6:49 PM

Well, two were ATSF and Milwaukee for the FP45s, and two were SP and Great Northern for the SDP45s.

ATSF's were famously for the El Cap and Super Chief, Milwaukee's for the 'taken over' City of God-knows-where last-mile into Chicago.

I always assumed GN's were for the Builder for the few years before Amtrak.

SP's were for general mail and express, but the mail contracts disappeared nearly when the units arrived and they then got used in commute service.  The two surviving units with steam generators for business-train use have to count as the 'last' units to run a passenger service.  I think 3201 slightly outlasted 3207 in service... I still can't believe they scrapped them both!

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, June 30, 2021 6:10 PM

Late additions to EMD's 1966 catalog, its most powerful passenger locomotives were sold to four railroads, two for each model.  Name the models, the owning railroads, and the railroad where they were last used in passenger service.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, June 28, 2021 3:04 PM

Those are all three I knew about.

Next question is yours!

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, June 28, 2021 1:56 PM

Among other cities San Diego and Oakland both had single truck double-deck cars. There were a couple of them on the Beebe Syndicate lines serving Syracuse NY as well.  The Syracuse cars had a roof, both San Diego and some of the Oakland cars had the turret for the pole on the upper deck more or less within reach of passengers.  This is not quite as dangerous as it sounds, since the cars were made out of wood.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, June 28, 2021 8:12 AM

"American" can include Canadian.  Was it Halifax?

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, June 13, 2021 12:56 AM

We've recently discussed the wonders of low-floor double-deck streetcars like the Broadway Battleship.  But at the opposite extreme...

Name an American system that ran a four-wheel full double-deck streetcar.  

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, June 12, 2021 9:35 AM

Still working.  I have been out of town and unable to think of something interesting enough.  I suspect I just doubled my workload... 

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, June 3, 2021 7:14 AM

Trying to develop a proper puzzler that is more interesting than the usual locomotive tech stuff I put up.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, June 3, 2021 6:57 AM

Waiting for one of Overmod's usually brilliant and puzzling questions.

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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, May 30, 2021 6:44 PM

Overmod got most of the details, so he gets the next one.

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Posted by rcdrye on Friday, May 28, 2021 8:49 PM

I'll give this one up.

The Rutland's 90-class mountains ran in New York, Vermont and New Hampshire, and Quebec, though they tended to turn back at Alburgh when used on the Green Mountain Flyer or Mount Royal during the brief period while they were active and the trains still ran to Montreal. New Hampshire mileage was at North Walpole, where Rutland delivered freight cars to the B&M yard.

Central Vermont's 700 class Texas types ran regularly in Vermont and New Hampshire, plus in Quebec and a short stab into Ontario to connect with parent CN.  They were too heavy for the bridges in Massachusets and Connecticut.

All of the New Hampshire mileage for both classes were on B&M trackage rights.  Their paths crossed at Bellows Falls VT and Cantic QC.

Note the article in the recent Classic Trains did not show the B&M line on the New Hampshire side of the Connecticut between Brattleboro VT and East Northfield MA, which was still in service when the Montrealer and Washingtonian were discontinued. (CV southbound B&M northbound)  The bridge at East Northfield was taken out of service in 1969 after one of the abutments failed, since which both northbound and southbound traffic have used the CV line on the west side of the river.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, May 28, 2021 6:15 PM

Hasn't this been answered 'enough'?  If not... what remains to be given?

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, May 26, 2021 2:13 PM

O&W had ten heavier and ten lighter than the Rutland's four.

Only checked one source that claimed the only mountains lighter than the Rutland's were NdeM's...  My bad for not fact-checking.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, May 26, 2021 12:50 PM

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It would be characteristic of the Rutland to have the very lightest 4-8-2s.

And it would in general, except that in the particular case of Mountains, it appears that both Bangor & Aroostook and the Old & Weary had lighter ones... of course, I could be wrong, so check it.

BUT he's already said neither of those are it... so I'd be lookin' for a place where the Rutland and the CV came together...

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, May 26, 2021 11:24 AM

I imagine the Rutland's were lighter and ran in Quebec Province, Vermont, Massachusetts, and New York.  It would be characteristic of the Rutland to have the very lightest 4-8-2s.

And I do believe the CV's Santa  Fe's were the lightest 2-10-2s and ran in Quebec. Vermont, and Massacusetts.  They did not run in New York or Connecticut.

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, May 26, 2021 6:21 AM

Both CV (600 series) and Rutland (90-93) had mountains.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, May 26, 2021 5:31 AM

Were the CV Moutains the lightest? Or did the Rutland also have Mountains?

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:42 PM

Well, that rules out what I thought were the #1 lightweights (by about 800lb) -- NYO&W.

Surely enough hints for them to get it by now.

 

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:52 PM

Actually, the CV 2-10-4s did not operate in Connecticut (something about bridge ratings - CV even spaced their 2-8-0s when doubleheading). 

I was not aware of the BAR's extreme lightweights 4-8-2s.  Looking at the tables the ones I was looking for are probably #2 on the lightweight list.  BAR's did not operate into NB, CN came over the border for interchange.

If it's not giving it away entirely, there were two places where both the Texas and Mountains could be seen, one of which is in Canada.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:43 PM

Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, Quebec for the 2-10-4s... but that's one too many.  What's the railroad that flirted around the border of Connecticut but never actually crossed into it?

Maine for the 4-8-2s... but how did the Bangor & Aroostook operate across that  bridge to New Brunswick?

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:25 AM

I need to proofread my questions more carefully.  The Texas types regularly operated in two states and a Canadian province.  The Mountains regularly operated in two states on their own rails, reaching the third state and the Canadian province on trackage rights.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:54 AM

That's pretty interesting.  I had thought CP's Selkirks were much bigger than the CV 2-10-4s.

The late Selkirks had 310,000lb on drivers and 447,000lb engine weight, vs. 285,000/419,000 for CV.

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:13 AM

CP's 2-10-4s were a bit heavier than CV's.  As far as I know they stayed on the main line west of Calgary.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:29 AM

Were not the CP Selkirks even lighter than the Central Vermnt's 2-10-4s?   And did they ever run into the USA?

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, May 24, 2021 3:49 PM

We just had the thread on BIGGEST TENDERS which covered the ten K4s with coast-to-coast tenders as long as they were... pictures!

We all know Central Vermont had the vest-pocket 2-10-4s, so that ought to be easy-peasy for the first person who pulls up a CV map.  Right next door were the smallest Hudsons.

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, May 24, 2021 9:56 AM

The original K4s tender was a 70p70d class, used when the engines were hand-fired.  The larger tenders were used when the engines were equipped with stokers. I seem to remember a photo of a K4s with a "lines west" type tender, though no doubt a smaller version than the monsters used on other classes.

The lightest Mountain and Texas types in the US operated regularly in three US states and one Canadian province.  Name all three states and the province. 

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