passengerfan Mark That's what happens when you don't get enough sleep. I really mean't to say southwest? Al - in - Stockton
Mark
That's what happens when you don't get enough sleep. I really mean't to say southwest?
Al - in - Stockton
KCSfan Al, No. If it didn't run east of the Mississippi it couldn't run in the southeast. Mark
Al,
No. If it didn't run east of the Mississippi it couldn't run in the southeast.
KCSfan passengerfan KCSfan Here's the new question. What was the "two color" train, the RR which operated it and its route? Mark Did the train operate east of the Mississippi River? Al in Stockton No. Mark
passengerfan KCSfan Here's the new question. What was the "two color" train, the RR which operated it and its route? Mark Did the train operate east of the Mississippi River? Al in Stockton
KCSfan Here's the new question. What was the "two color" train, the RR which operated it and its route? Mark
Here's the new question. What was the "two color" train, the RR which operated it and its route?
Al in Stockton
And to think in 1965 I rode the Southern Belle from Shreveport to Baton Rouge in a roomette. I was thinking the car originated in Kansas City but time dulls the memory and if there was a Shreveport-NO sleeper at the time that would have been the car I rode in.
Were there any intrastate routes in Arizona? That and Washington were next on my list to research followed by California. I saved CA for last as I expected to find quite a few routes on just the SP alone not to mention possible ones on the Santa Fe and UP. Do you know when the NWP sleeper route I mentioned was discontinued?
I'm expecting company any moment so it'll probably be much later tonight or tomorrow morning before I can post another question.
KCSfan Al, First I need to correct a mistake in my prior list. The Dallas-El Paso sleeper ran in the T&P's Westerner not over the MoPac which of course didn't go any where near El Paso. Since I live in Shreveport, shame on me if I missed a Shreveport-New Orleans car on a KCS train. Are you quite sure of this route as I remember the Southern Belle's sleepers were through KC-NO cars and the Flying Crow's sleepers didn't run to NO but were KC-Shreveport cars. If you can please let me know the years that the Shreveport-NO car operated which will possibly jog my memory. I couldn't locate any routes in Kansas or Oklahoma but since you didn't exclude those states I'll have to go back and do a more thorough search when I have the time. In the meantime here are some Minnesota routes: Minneapolis/St Paul-International Falls - NP's No's. 11 & 12 Minneapolis-Duluth - NP/s Twin Ports/Twin Cities Minneapolis-Duluth - Soo's No's. 62 & 63 The single Colorado route is: Denver-Grand Junction - Rio Grande's Mountaineer I think the following was discontinued prior to the time of your question but if I ever get to covering California routes I'd probably overlook it so I'll mention it now. San Francisco-Eureka - NWP No's. 3 & 4 Mark
First I need to correct a mistake in my prior list. The Dallas-El Paso sleeper ran in the T&P's Westerner not over the MoPac which of course didn't go any where near El Paso.
Since I live in Shreveport, shame on me if I missed a Shreveport-New Orleans car on a KCS train. Are you quite sure of this route as I remember the Southern Belle's sleepers were through KC-NO cars and the Flying Crow's sleepers didn't run to NO but were KC-Shreveport cars. If you can please let me know the years that the Shreveport-NO car operated which will possibly jog my memory.
I couldn't locate any routes in Kansas or Oklahoma but since you didn't exclude those states I'll have to go back and do a more thorough search when I have the time. In the meantime here are some Minnesota routes:
Minneapolis/St Paul-International Falls - NP's No's. 11 & 12
Minneapolis-Duluth - NP/s Twin Ports/Twin Cities
Minneapolis-Duluth - Soo's No's. 62 & 63
The single Colorado route is:
Denver-Grand Junction - Rio Grande's Mountaineer
I think the following was discontinued prior to the time of your question but if I ever get to covering California routes I'd probably overlook it so I'll mention it now.
San Francisco-Eureka - NWP No's. 3 & 4
I list in the 1960 guide a Shreveport 14-4 lightweight sleeper in each direction between there and New Orleans. Went back to L&A days from earlier guides of course using heavyweight sleepers.
One that everyone seems to miss in Washington State was the Seattle - Walla Walla sleeper that traveled from Seattle in the Mainstreeter to Pasco and was forwarded in a local NP train to Walla Walla.
Another one missed in the California section was the SP Owl sleepers between Fresno and Oakland and Fresno and Los Angeles at that time.
You are correct about Oklahoma and Kansas not having any intrastate sleepers. I have been unable to find any either.
I guess it is your turn as we have pretty well covered everything.
KCSfan Al, I started off working by states to answer your question only to find that I needed a 1959 or '60 OG to reduce the task to a manageable size. Here's as far as I got based on an earlier OG but I suspect some of these routes had been discontinued by the time you specified. Louisiana & Arkansas - None Missouri : St. Louis-Springfield and St. Louis-Joplin - Frisco's Will Rogers and Meteor St. Louis-Kansas City - Wabash's Midnight Ltd and City of Kansas City St. Louis-Kansas City - MoPac's Missourian Texas: Dallas-San Antonio - MKT's Katy Flyer Houston-Brownsville - MoPac's Pioneer Dallas-ElPaso - MoPac's Westerner Dallas-Houston - SP's Owl Ft. Worth-Galveston - Santa Fe's No's 101 & 9 Houston-San Angelo - Santa Fe's California Special Dallas-Amarillo - CB&Q's Texas Zephyr & No. 8 Unless I can find some more time to devote to it, I'll leave it up to someone else to come up with the routes in the remaining western states. Mark
I started off working by states to answer your question only to find that I needed a 1959 or '60 OG to reduce the task to a manageable size. Here's as far as I got based on an earlier OG but I suspect some of these routes had been discontinued by the time you specified.
Louisiana & Arkansas - None
Missouri : St. Louis-Springfield and St. Louis-Joplin - Frisco's Will Rogers and Meteor
St. Louis-Kansas City - Wabash's Midnight Ltd and City of Kansas City
St. Louis-Kansas City - MoPac's Missourian
Texas: Dallas-San Antonio - MKT's Katy Flyer
Houston-Brownsville - MoPac's Pioneer
Dallas-ElPaso - MoPac's Westerner
Dallas-Houston - SP's Owl
Ft. Worth-Galveston - Santa Fe's No's 101 & 9
Houston-San Angelo - Santa Fe's California Special
Dallas-Amarillo - CB&Q's Texas Zephyr & No. 8
Unless I can find some more time to devote to it, I'll leave it up to someone else to come up with the routes in the remaining western states.
I believe you covered the Missouri trains very well. You missed a pair of Louisiana sleepers between Shreveport and New Orleans on the KCS.
I was unable to find anything in Arkansas either. The one in Colorado was the only one I was able to find as well.
We still need more coverage on the other western states. You can eliminate Iowa,Nebraska, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oregon, Utah, Nevada, and Idaho. That should make it simpler.
California had the Lark between SF and LA. Colorado had the Denver- Alamosa sleeper on the D&RGW Colorado and New Mexico Express, the name referering really to the San Juan narrow gauge connection which of course ran into New Mexico, while the sleeper did not. New York had the New York - Buffalo sleepers on the New York Central (Buffalo Night Express), the DL&W Lackawanna Limited, and the Lehigh Valley Black Diamond, but the latter two ran through two other states even though the terminals were in NY. Pennsylvania had the PRR's Philly-Pittsburgh sleepers, using the Steel City for at least part of the trip. Texas had Houston - El Paso and Houston - Laredo, and Dallas - El Paso, all involving the SP, the latter also the T&P but don't know the train names. Washington had Spokan - Seattle on the NP, GN, and I would guess the Milwaukee as well, but don't remember the schedules well enough for the trains. The Illinois Temrinal interurban may still have been running the St. Louis Peoria sleeper but probably not. But I think there may have been a drop sleeper from Chicago to Springfield on the GM&O's Owl. The NYC was running an Albany - NY setout and pickup sleeper in 1950, but it did not last until 1960. The NYC with the D&H there was a Grand Central - Saratoga Springs sleeper and a Grand Central - Lake Placid sleeper. At one time these were handled on the overnight Montreal Limited. There was probably a drop sleeper to and from Rochester and maybe for Syracuse as well from GCT, using the Buffalo Night Express. Also GCT - Menassa. The Illinois Central must have had a drop sleeper to Cairo or Champaign-Urbana on the Seminole. The PRR had a sleeper from Erie PA to and from Philadelphia, and I think it stayed inside PA. Part of its run would have been on the PRR's Northern Limited, or Northern Express if my memory is correct. Georgia had Atlanta - Savanna, probably ACL.
Deggesty passengerfan During the late 1950's into the sixties how many states west of the Mississippi River had sleeping car routes entirely within a single state,name the states which RRs operated those trains and what were the origin and destination of the sleeping car routes? Al - in - Stockton Al, I'll name some states--and maybe some others will think of the city/town pairs and the roads. Missouri, Texas, California, Colorado, Washington, Oregon; will you allow Louisiana and maybe Minnesota? Johnny
passengerfan During the late 1950's into the sixties how many states west of the Mississippi River had sleeping car routes entirely within a single state,name the states which RRs operated those trains and what were the origin and destination of the sleeping car routes? Al - in - Stockton
During the late 1950's into the sixties how many states west of the Mississippi River had sleeping car routes entirely within a single state,name the states which RRs operated those trains and what were the origin and destination of the sleeping car routes?
Missouri, Texas, California, Colorado, Washington, Oregon; will you allow Louisiana and maybe Minnesota?
Johnny
KCSfan No one has identified the one remaining train yet and it doesn't seem likely that anyone will name it any time soon. It was the IC's Irvine S. Cobb which ran between Louisville and Fulton, KY. With two right answers Al-in-Sacramento is our winner and the next question is his to ask. Mark
No one has identified the one remaining train yet and it doesn't seem likely that anyone will name it any time soon. It was the IC's Irvine S. Cobb which ran between Louisville and Fulton, KY.
With two right answers Al-in-Sacramento is our winner and the next question is his to ask.
henry6Was there not trains for Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone?
Yes, the San Antonio and Aransas Pass Railway Company operated the Davy Crockett on an overnight schedule between Houston and San Antonio, via Yoakum. Westbound, the train covered the 238 miles in ten hours and twenty minutes. Eastbound, it burnt the rails up in ten hours even. According to the railway's representation in the February, 1911, issue of Traveler's Railway Guide, Western Edition, "...has become known as 'THE TRAIN THAT IS ALWAYS ON TIME.'"
Offhand, I do not recall any train named for the pioneer who needed "elbow room."
Yeah, I knew St. Louis was involved, kinda thought of Indianapolis but thats why I put the question mark in quotes.
Was there not trains for Davey Crockett and Daniel Boone?
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henry6 James Whitcomb Riley, NYC to Detroit from St. Louis (?).
James Whitcomb Riley, NYC to Detroit from St. Louis (?).
Yes Henry, that's one of the two. It's not widely known but the Hoosier poet was also a humorist. You have the route wrong however. The Riley ran between Chicago, Indianapolis and Cincinatti. I'm going to keep the question open a while longer to see if anyone can identify the remaining train. If no one gets it I'll give the answer later tonight and we can move on to another question.
Dave,
Neither of the two remaing trains I have in mind were interurbans. Subject to being corrected, I don't think Ben Hur was a humorist by any stretch of the imagination.
One of the interurbans using the Indianapolis Traction Teerminal had a Ben Hur to Crawfordsville.
passengerfan I could only come up with two. The Will Rogers - Frisco - St. Louis - Oklahoma City Mark Twain Zephyr - CB&Q - St. Louis - Burlington Al - in - Stockton
I could only come up with two.
The Will Rogers - Frisco - St. Louis - Oklahoma City
Mark Twain Zephyr - CB&Q - St. Louis - Burlington
It looks like it's time for a hint or two. One of the other two that I know of ran entirely within the state of Kentucky. The other was named for a man whose greater claim to fame was as a poet rather than a humorist.
henry6Ok! I am confused and getting lost. There is another Quiz thread dealing with "trains" while this one is about "railroads". Both, however, are dealing with questions about different trains. I don't mind one way or the other, but its just a little confusing to me.
Henry,
Let me try to help you out. If you'll scroll back you'll see this is the "Classic Railroad Quiz" thread and the current questions is about trains named after humorists.
The other similar thread is "Classic Train Questions Part Deux". The current question on that thread has to do with trains that had mountain ranges is their names.
I hope that clears up any confusion.
I know of two more so let's see if you or anyone else can name them.
KCSfan On to the next question. I know of at least three US trains named for humorists. What were the names of these the trains, the RR's on which they ran and their routes? Mark
On to the next question. I know of at least three US trains named for humorists. What were the names of these the trains, the RR's on which they ran and their routes?
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