Is the railroad the Atlantic Coast Line, and one of the cities Montgomery Alabama?
I am going to rephrase the following: "The train that ran in both directions was, itself, an intrastate train which handled an intrastate sleeper, which was carried, in part, by the other train. And, it handled an interstate sleeper, which traveled on the branch and was carried, in part, by the other train (the other train was strictly a mainline train)."
The train that ran in both directions was, itself, an intrastate train which handled an intrastate sleeper, which was carried, in part, by another train. And, it handled an interstate sleeper, which traveled on the branch and was carried, in part, by the same other train (the other train was strictly a mainline train).
The (overnight) interstate train stops at point A, picks two cars up, and delivers them to the intrastate train at point B. The intrastate train carries the interstate car to point C, where it is delivered to a branchline train, which carries it about 40 miles to a port city in the next state, and then the intrastate train continues to its terminal, point D--which is also a port city. The process is reversed to take the two sleepers to their common destination.
The one-way day train, which is interstate, leaves its origin, point E, which is also a port city, in the morning and proceeds to its terminal, point B, arriving in the late afternoon--and turns an interline sleeper over to another route, which carries the car into the next state and then turns the car over to a another road yet, which carries the car about 637 miles to its destination.
Johnny
The intrastate sleeper was operated on one road only. I don't know that the Southern ever operated a Charlotte-Savannah sleeper; several years earlier it did operate an Asheville-Savannah sleeper--but North Carolina is not the state with the intrastate sleeper.
Don't forget the one-way train that operated interstate on the main line. It and the intrastate train had a common terminal.
The Southern may have had a Charlotte = Savanna sleeper and a Charlotte - Morehead City sleeper, the latter interlined the short line serving Morehead City.
I should have specified that neither train was operated in Georgia.
Now think: what other Southern state had rail lines such that overnight sleeper service (albeit with early arrival or late departure), along with sleeper service into a neighboring state (also with early arrival and late departure) was possible?
Except for the interstate sleeper's branch line route (which went into a port city), these sleepers ran on the main line of the railroad.
Sorry, Dave, this railroad did operate in Georgia--along with several other states.
The both sleepers, the intrastate one and the one that had a terminal in another state, were operated on one road.
In 1944, the only service the Southern had in Mobile was the day Birmingham-Mobile train.
The intrastate sleeper handled in part by the Georgia Railroad might have been Savanna - Atlanta, and an interstate sleeper could easily have been Atlanta - Washington or Atlanta - NY or Atlanta - Wilmington, NC
Southern had Birmingham-Mobile connections for some of its other trains that were all-Pullman, though I wouldn't have thought they were around in 1944.
Are you talking about the Georgia Railroad with connections to the ACL? I don't have the OG or timetables to name specific trains and endpoints howver, except that Atlanta was one.
The train that ran in both directions was, itself, an intrastate train which handled an intrastate sleeper, which was carried, in part, by the other train. And, it handled an interstate sleeper, which traveled on the branch and was carried, in part, by the other train (the other train was strictly a mainline train).
In late 1944 (the issue of the Guide that I have for that era), a certain railroad that operated mainly in the South operated two--actually, one and a half--trains that carried sleepers only. The full train was overnight, running on a slower schedule than another train that covered the same route (with different origins and different destinations) and carried both coaches and sleepers; the half train (it ran in one direction only) ran in daytime and carried sleepers which it turned over to another train with the same origin but traveled farther, which carried coaches and a diner and ran twenty minutes slower overall (taking dwell times into account). The overnight train also carried a sleeper that had a endpoint not on the main line. The day train had a sleeper that terminated at a point on another railroad.
The railroad and the endpoints of the sleepers, please.
Deggesty In 1930, the Alabama Central Railroad ran 13 miles from Jasper to Fords, and connected with the SLSF, IC, and SOU at Jasper. In the same year, the Alabama Central Railway ran 8.3 miles from Autaugaville to Booth, where it connected with the M&O.
In 1930, the Alabama Central Railroad ran 13 miles from Jasper to Fords, and connected with the SLSF, IC, and SOU at Jasper.
In the same year, the Alabama Central Railway ran 8.3 miles from Autaugaville to Booth, where it connected with the M&O.
You've nailed it, Johnny; both the railroads and their connections. When it was abandoned in 1939 the Alabama Central Railway had been reduced to just a five mile line between Booth and Forrester. When abandoned in 1961 the Alabama Central Railroad ran just nine miles between Jasper and Marigold.
Mark
I avoid handling my November, 1937, Guide as much as possible, since it is very fragile. It was given me in the spring of 1955 by the Southern's passenger agent in Bristol.
rcdrye Was there also a Cental (of) Alabama?
Was there also a Cental (of) Alabama?
No, but you're right on with the Alabama Central. You just need to refine that answer a bit.
I know the Alabama Central lasted until 1939. Was there also a Cental (of) Alabama?
rcdrye Based on geography alone I'm going with Mississippi Central and Missouri Central.
Based on geography alone I'm going with Mississippi Central and Missouri Central.
Close but no cigar. Both roads had the same state in their names.
One of the roads connected with the Frisco and the other with the Mobile & Ohio.
Deggesty In 1930 (which really was the last year of the Twenties) The two shortest railroads with the name of a state in the name were the Central Railway Company of Arkansas, which showed 7 miles from Plainview to Ola, and the California Central RR, which had 8 miles from San Juan to Chittenden.
In 1930 (which really was the last year of the Twenties) The two shortest railroads with the name of a state in the name were the Central Railway Company of Arkansas, which showed 7 miles from Plainview to Ola, and the California Central RR, which had 8 miles from San Juan to Chittenden.
Johnny, the time of this question was the late 1930's. I don't know when the two roads you mention were abandoned (or possibly merged) but neither one is listed in the March 1937 OG. Keep in mind that the two I'm looking for had very similar names.
In the early 1900's there were at least 24 railroads with the word Central and a state in their name such as New York Central and Central RR of New Jersey. By the late 1930's mergers and abandonments had reduced this number but two of the shortest Centrals still operated. These two railroads had very similar names and one could easily be confused with the other. What were the names of these roads?
Chicago Railfan’s “Great Union Stations” has info about arrivals and departures in the years 1942, 1956 and 1971.
http://www.chicagorailfan.com/stbeyond.html
It seems in 1942, NC&StL train No. 3 spent more than an hour in Nashville,
http://www.chicagorailfan.com/stbcnsh.html
the Knoxville sleeper was 25 minutes in Chattanooga,
http://www.chicagorailfan.com/stbccha.html
and the Tennessean arrived in Knoxville at 6:15.
http://www.chicagorailfan.com/stbcknx.html
Mike
Now you have it all! And, the return service to Nashville was the same routing--with a through overnight coach through Harriman, connecting coach day service through Harriman, and the Washington-Nashville sleeper for civilized comfortable overnight service.
Incidentally, the Knoxville-Harriman-Oakdale train connected with the Royal Palm in Oakdale, so travelers who did not want to use the L&N between Knoxville and Cincinnati did have an alternate route.
Deggesty Mark, you are right in part, except for the year of the order forbidding short Pullman runs--it was still in effect in November of 1945. But, you could still sleep in a berth overnight between the two cities, though you had to get up early in Knoxville. What was the route of this car?
Mark, you are right in part, except for the year of the order forbidding short Pullman runs--it was still in effect in November of 1945. But, you could still sleep in a berth overnight between the two cities, though you had to get up early in Knoxville. What was the route of this car?
I believe this was a Nashville to Washington sleeper. It left Nashville at 9:30 PM and ran in NC&StL No. 3 to Chattanooga. From there it ran in SR No. 45, the Tennesseean, arriving in Knoxville at 6:55 AM.
Johnny, (1) Prior to March 15, 1945 you couldn't travel between Nashville and Knoxville overnight by Pullman because of the order suspending short Pullman routes to free cars for military travel. On March 15 the Pullman route was restored and it ran in Tennessee Central No. 4 to Harriman Jct. leaving Nashville at 8:30 pm and in SR No.28 from Harriman Jct. arriving in Knoxville at 5:25 am.
(2) I believe there was a through overnight coach that ran between Nashville and Knoxville over the route and in the TC and SR trains listed in (1) above.
(3) The shortest day run would be TC No.2 leaving Nashville at 8:30 am and SR No. 3 arriving in Knoxville at 5:05 pm.
Sorry to be delayed.
In 1945, how would you travel between (1)Nashville and Knoxville overnight by Pullman? (2) overnight by through coach? (3) by day (shortest time)?
Give roads and, if possible, trains.
Deggesty In 1964 and 1965, the Erie-Lackawanna re-named the Lake Cities the World's Fair, and provided coach service between Chicago and New York, with a sleeper between Youngstown and New York (actually, its eastern terminus was Hoboken).
In 1964 and 1965, the Erie-Lackawanna re-named the Lake Cities the World's Fair, and provided coach service between Chicago and New York, with a sleeper between Youngstown and New York (actually, its eastern terminus was Hoboken).
Johnny, Ill take that answer. The other possibility was NYC's World's Fair Special running about the same time as the World's Fair. Both trains were temporarily renamed in honor of the 1964-65 New York's Worlds Fair.
Johnny, you have the next question.
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