I did not know that the line from Flomaton to River Junction (Chattahoochee) was considered a main line.
Since you have named the Birmingham-Pensacola sleeper, the Washington-Atlanta-New Orleans Express, and that the interline car went to Washington, you have answered more than either Dave or Rob, who gave us Montgomery as the interline exchange point, the WRA, and the Birmingham-Mobile car.
At the time in question, there was only one car from Birmingham to Pensacola. I have wondered about the existence of #35 and #36 (Montgomery-Mobile) about the same time of day as The Pan-American; perhaps the Pan had a slew of headend cars, and needed help over that stretch? Also, why was the Azalean all-coach (for passengers) to Nashville when going north, and #26 carried the sleepers? The same reason? (Incidentally, the Southern representation in that date (October, 1944) shows that the New Orleans to Washington car was handled in L&N #26 from New Orleans to Montgomery.
Johnny
Johnny this answer is valid only if you are considering the L&N from Flomaton to River Jct. as being a branch line. In 1946 there were two sleepers (cars 67 & 68) that ran from Birmingham to Pensacola. Northbound only one of the two (car 68) ran from Pensacola to Birmingham - car 67 did not run northbound.
Mark
No, the only interline sleeper under discussion was the New Orleans to Washington car.
The un-named sleeper ran, in part, on the Montgomery-Mobile train, but it did not go to or from Mobile, and it ran only on the L&N.
New Orleans - Norfolk area, wherever the final connecting road ended. It could have ended up on the Southern, SAL, or N&W and each had a different location.
I was working from a faulty memory when I stated that the two trains had a common terminal; the one-way train ran from New Orleans to Nashville, with (as far as I can determine) no coaches.
At this time, the Azalean did not carry any sleeper when it left New Orleans, but the interline sleeper in question has been identified. The one-way train which carried the New Orleans to Washington sleeper to Montgomery also carried the New Orleans to Cincinnati, the New Orleans to Chicago, and the Birmingham to New York sleepers up to Nashville.
The two-way overnight sleeper that served a port city on a branch still has not been identified.
KCSfan The Azalean was a morning train from New Orleans that carried a NO-Washington sleeper that was handed off to the West Point Route at Montgomery. Mark
The Azalean was a morning train from New Orleans that carried a NO-Washington sleeper that was handed off to the West Point Route at Montgomery.
I think I may have earned a cigar with this answer. A further check of my 1937 OG shows that this car was carried from Atlanta to Washington in SR's No. 36, the Washington-Atlanta-New Orleans Express which satisfies the clue regarding a train whose name included its end point cities.
Deggesty The Crescent had through New Orleans-Montgomery-Atlanta-New York sleepers, but it left New Orleans at night, on a schedule through to New York, taking two nights northbound. There was no train with both New York and New Orleans in its name at this time.
The Crescent had through New Orleans-Montgomery-Atlanta-New York sleepers, but it left New Orleans at night, on a schedule through to New York, taking two nights northbound. There was no train with both New York and New Orleans in its name at this time.
Deggesty Mark, the train went beyond Atlanta. Look back, and see how far it ran beyond Atlanta.
Mark, the train went beyond Atlanta. Look back, and see how far it ran beyond Atlanta.
North of Atlanta the NY and NO Ltd. ran to Washington. Major intermediate cities served were Greenville, Spartanburg, Charlotte, Greensboro, Lynchburg and Charlottesville. I've not been able to find a through sleeper from New Orleans via Montgomery and the L&N to any of these cities in any of the OG's I have available.
Dave, the Southern had no service between Atlanta and Augusta, so it could not have been the Aiken-Augusta Special.
Deggesty In times past, there were New Orleans-Asheville sleepers--in the summer season, but this car did not go to Asheville. It did travel on a name train for the northern-most part of its trip, and the name included, along with another city name, the names of its end points.
In times past, there were New Orleans-Asheville sleepers--in the summer season, but this car did not go to Asheville. It did travel on a name train for the northern-most part of its trip, and the name included, along with another city name, the names of its end points.
The only connecting road at Montgomery that, to me at least, makes sense is the WRyofA. At one time there was an New York and New Orleans Ltd. that ran on the West Point Route. I'm guessing the sleeper we're looking for ran on that train between Atlanta and Montgomery and on the L&N between Montgomery and New Orleans.
The Southern's Aiken-Augusta Special?
daveklepper Ashville?
Ashville?
daveklepper Did the interline car go to Jacksonville on the SAL?
Did the interline car go to Jacksonville on the SAL?
Mark, it was an interline car that originated in New Orleans.
Johnny, was the sleeper that ran in only one direction a New Orleans to Montgomery car?
Mark, there was a car from New Orleans, but it did not go to Pensacola, nor did it travel at night on the L&N.
Deggesty No, Mark, the SAL did not enter into this. Look back over the question as re-stated and the answers that have been given
No, Mark, the SAL did not enter into this. Look back over the question as re-stated and the answers that have been given
Johnny, I've revised my reply accordingly.
No, Mark, the SAL did not enter into this. Look back over the question as re-stated and the answers that have been given.
All three port cities that have been mentioned are on the L&N.
Deggesty Think about the port cities served by the L&N's and the through sleepers it handled.
Think about the port cities served by the L&N's and the through sleepers it handled.
Johnny, you've had me stumped and until now I had thought it was a Southern Ry. train but couldn't find one that fit your clues. Your latest makes me think it must have been a Pensacola - Jacksonville New Orleans - Pensacola car that probably ran in the Gulf Wind. As I looked back it seems we were looking for an Interstate car which led me to modify my answer.
No, the only Mobile sleeper was the Birmingham-Mobile one. The one interchanged with the foreign line ran through Mobile, and did not get to New York.
I'm going to go with New York-Mobile (PRR,SR,A&WP/WRofA,L&N) and Cincinnati-Mobile (L&N)
Yes, that's the intrastate sleeper, but what was the interstate sleeper handled by this train--and the Interstate sleeper handled by the train that ran in one direction only?
Then the sleeper probably ran Birmingham-Mobile.
Aha! You have the right road, one train's end points, and the road that took the interline sleeper..
However, the handoff to the WRA was from the train that ran in one direction only, and was interstate on the L&N.
L&N. Mobile-Montgomery -handoff to W Ry of AL?
Yes, Dave, Montgomery is one of the cities--but the ACL is not the railroad.
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