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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:42 PM

There were several bowtie loops in 1950; I worked three out last night.

The B&M had a possible one, which took a little over eleven hours to run: Boston-Ayer-Dover- Rockingham-Manchester-Boston, crossing at Lowell.

Another one, taking a bit longer (Friday night to Sunday afternoon), would have been on NYC: Detroit-Cincinnati-Indianapolis-Buffalo-Detroit, crossing at Bellefontaine.

The third one, on Southern (Saturday morning to Sunday evening), would have been Greensboro-Harriman-Atlanta-Greensboro, crossing at Spartanburg.

One that I worked on this morning, on Rock Island (Friday night-early Monday morning), would have been Rock Island-Iowa Falls-Kansas City-Belleville-Rock Island, crossing at Des Moines.

There was one on SFe, (Friday night-early, early Monday morning): San Angelo-Brownwood-Clovis-Wichita-San Angelo, crossing Hermleigh and P&SF Jct.

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:06 PM

Here's another one on the Burlington (Friday evening-Monday morning): Denver-Lincoln or Omaha-Kansas City-Alliance-Denver, crossing at Lincoln.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:50 PM

Nobody's close....want the answer?

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:06 AM

Give us more time and we will figure out a few more until we suggest the right one.

But what your "right" answer is --- is one a many right answers.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:15 AM

Well, sort of , Dave.   You are correct....but this routing actually LOOKS like one...a little lopsided on the left hand side, but still pretty clear.   I made the trip, so there's the hint.



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Posted by rcdrye on Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:25 PM

How about Indianapolis - Louisville- Richmond- Xenia -Columbus -Richmond - Indianapollis? (PRR)

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Posted by narig01 on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:36 PM

Off hand thought:   I read some time back about a circular trip down south that was specifically set up to avoid blue laws against consumption of alcoholic beverages on Sunday. (No I do not remember the specifics)

      Was this the reason for the bow tie your looking for?

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:56 PM

Naw....IGN....take the next question.   I'll be off the forum for awhile due to holiday travel, so no reason to hang it up on this.   

KC-MEMPHIS-ST LOUIS-TULSA-KC    Springfield, Mo is the "knot" and you guys all know what RR this is!



Happy Holidays!  

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Posted by narig01 on Saturday, December 22, 2012 2:37 AM

Yes Saint Louis- San Francisco or Frisco.

A question, hopefully a simple one.

New Orleans is notable for this railway fact dating to 1835. What is the record and operation.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, December 23, 2012 1:08 PM

St. Charles Streetcar line, first opened with horses, then with dummy steam locomotives boxed to look like horsecars, then I think back to horses, then electrified, and now still operated by 1926-1927 two-motored but four axle Pearly Thomas streetcars, the oldest continuously operated streetcar line in North America.  A National Landmark.

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Posted by narig01 on Monday, December 24, 2012 1:48 AM

daveklepper

St. Charles Streetcar line, first opened with horses, then with dummy steam locomotives boxed to look like horsecars, then I think back to horses, then electrified, and now still operated by 1926-1927 two-motored but four axle Pearly Thomas streetcars, the oldest continuously operated streetcar line in North America.  A Notional Landmark.

Dave you got it.   By the way "National"  not Notionlal (LOL).   

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, December 24, 2012 3:32 AM

And so corrected.   Thank you!    We know of railroad rights-of-way usurped by highway construction or busways or trails, but name at least one case where a highway right-of-way was converted to a rail line, without continued use of the highway.   So I am not talking about medium-strip rapid transit lines but the actual use of a former highway right of way for purely rail purposes.   Or possibly rail and power transmission line.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, December 26, 2012 4:02 AM

Any rail use is a good answer.   Streetcar, light rail, interurban, rapid transit, commuter railroad, frieght railroad, whatever.   I have one in mind.  It is/was in the Midwest.  But I know there are others. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:13 AM

The one I am thinking about was in Wisconsin.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, December 30, 2012 4:24 AM

It interlined freight with one railroad in Milwaukee and that railroad alone.   It could not interline freight with other railroads.   On occasion, there were special through passenger services with that one other railroad.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Tuesday, January 1, 2013 10:58 AM

 TMEL?

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:45 AM

YES Can you name the specific interurban line?

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:01 PM

Dave, the ONLY reason I knew it was The Milwaukee Electric is because my friend, John Nicholson....a bona fide juice fan like yourself....has mentioned it to me so many times.    But the specific line...uh....

Huh?

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, January 3, 2013 4:27 AM

OK:   Hints:   The replacement of the former meandering route with the more direct route using an abandoned highway RofW was the first TMER construction on the particular route. 

  The local Milwaukee streetcar  that outlasted the interurban and used the local trackage was the only TMER lined that issued transfers to the North Shore's local line.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:35 AM

daveklepper

  The local Milwaukee streetcar  that outlasted the interurban and used the local trackage was the only TMER lined that issued transfers to the North Shore's local line.

That makes it the former Milwaukee Northern line to Sheboygan. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, January 3, 2013 1:36 PM

Exactly.   We have two winners, each giving half of the answer.   Decide between you who should ask the next question.

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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, January 3, 2013 2:52 PM

All yours, FlyingCrow !

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Sunday, January 6, 2013 7:05 PM

Ok...hmmm

Alrighty...EZ.    Orders were placed at Pullman Standard for car sets for a new train.  Only one railroad actually took delivery; the other cancelled their order.      Name the roads.    The name of the train for which they were to be used.   Extra points if you can name the car names for both sets of cars.


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Posted by Deggesty on Sunday, January 6, 2013 9:05 PM

This sounds like the cars that the Rock Island and Southern Pacific ordered for the Golden Rocket (a train that never was). The SP canceled its order, but the Rock went ahead, bought its cars, and put them into service. I would name the cars, but I have packed both my books that have the names since I will be moving in about a month (from about fourteen miles from my closer daughter into a house that she and I are buying).

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Posted by rcdrye on Monday, January 7, 2013 7:06 AM

Here are the car names.  Odd that SP was initially willing to use names, since by this time even the Golden State had some numbered cars.

The RI cars:

Baggage-Dorm 820

Coaches

 Valle Verde

 Valle Vista

 Valle Mar

Coffee Shop  Lounge El Cafe

Diner El Comedor

Sleepers

 4-4-2 La Quinta

 22 Rmt La Costa

 12DBR La Palma, La Jolla

 2DBR-1DR Lounge Obs La Mirada

SP cars were assigned names, but never built.

Coaches Valle Rio Grande, Valle del Sol, Valle Imperial

Coffee Shop Lounge and Diner El Cafe Frontero, La Fonda

4-4-2 Monte Chiricahua

22 Rmt Monte Santa Rita

12DBR Monte San Jacinto, Santa Catalina

2DBR-1DR Lounge Obs La Galleria

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Monday, January 7, 2013 7:31 PM

Well, BOTH you guys are right !    The stillborn GOLDEN ROCKET .       So... we have a tie.    You guys want to flip a coin?    Or be the first one to tell me the name of Rock Island #29 & 30...WITHOUT LOOKING IT UP.    Stick out tongue

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Posted by rcdrye on Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:59 AM

Choctaw?

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, January 11, 2013 4:33 AM

Do you mean Choctaw Rocket?

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Posted by rcdrye on Friday, January 11, 2013 6:06 AM

I know 29 and 30 were NOT the numbers for the Choctaw Rockette, the RDC replacement for the Choctaw Rocket.  My 1957 OG doesn't have a 29/30 pair so I don't know what the Rockets numbers were.

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Posted by FlyingCrow on Friday, January 11, 2013 7:50 PM

Not the Choctaw Rocket

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