daveklepper How can you call the 1946 Pohattan Arrow a streamliner if it include heavyweiight non-streamlined cars? The 1949 train was an all-new train, as you described. What you are doing would be like claiming the streamlined Super Chief was started when the original heavyweight version was inaugurated.
How can you call the 1946 Pohattan Arrow a streamliner if it include heavyweiight non-streamlined cars? The 1949 train was an all-new train, as you described. What you are doing would be like claiming the streamlined Super Chief was started when the original heavyweight version was inaugurated.
Take a look at the photo at the link I posted. Sure looks like a streamliner to me.
Mark
rcdrye In the late 1950s these two carriers shared set-out sleeper service between the state's largest city and its capital city. The service alternated every two months between the two carriers. According to the OG, one used a 10 sec 2 cpt 1 DR car, the other a 12 sec 1 DR car. Endpoints, RRs and train names.
In the late 1950s these two carriers shared set-out sleeper service between the state's largest city and its capital city. The service alternated every two months between the two carriers. According to the OG, one used a 10 sec 2 cpt 1 DR car, the other a 12 sec 1 DR car. Endpoints, RRs and train names.
Chicago - Springfield. Cars carried in IC's Night Diamond and GM&O's Midnight Special
KCSfan Chicago - Springfield. Cars carried in IC's Night Diamond and GM&O's Midnight Special Mark
Of course you are correct. GM&O had the 10-2-1, IC the 12&1.
A very good question. I led myself astray by thinking only the GN and NP would engage in that kind of cooperation and could not find pairs of cities to meet the description.
Were these heavyweigh cars?
Doesn't look like an authentic photo to me but some airbrushed much modified photo. As far as I know, the only unpainted stainless equpment the N&W operated were in trains jointly run with the Southern, and that equipment came later than 1946. All of N&W's trains were the deep Tuscan Red. But you do have a point. If you can, go back to the original Trains Magazine article about the new Pullman - built train in 1949, and you will see the impression is that it is a NEW streamliner. I really was referring to the train itself, not the schedule or the name. If I were to ask "What was the last all-coach streamliner" placed into service in the USA before Amtrak," a possible answer for me, if not for you, would be the double-deck El Capitan, which replaced the equally streamlined, but single-deck El Capitan.
(Incidentally, the Rio Grande Zephyr was not all-coach. You could buy a first-class ticket and pay the space charge for a private room in the Obs.)
But then, from your point of view, the Southern did consider the Tennesean a streamliner, without saying as much, giving it much the same publicity as the Southener, which certainly was a streamliner. The Tennesean was launched with lightweight coaches, but the sleepers were standard unmodified, and just painted silver, without any attempt at fluting shadowing as done by North Shore on the Silverliners.
This train shared its name with that of a species of tropical marine inverterbrates. Name the train, its route (end points) and the railroad(s) on which it ran.
I have to assume they were just because of the configuration. The GM&O had some nice upgraded heavyweights at the time used in Chicago-St. Louis service (originally rebuilt for the Rebel.) but the Chicago-Springfield car was most likely an un-reconfigured heavyweight. IC still had a fair number of heavyweights in service but by this time the Night Diamond was the only train regularly using them.
rcdrye IC still had a fair number of heavyweights in service but by this time the Night Diamond was the only train regularly using them.
IC still had a fair number of heavyweights in service but by this time the Night Diamond was the only train regularly using them.
Well... THAT statement certainly wasn't true. IC had lots of upgraded heavyweights running on trains like the Seminole, Louisiane and the by then unnamed Meridian-Shreveport train.
In an interesting footnote the GM&O in the August 1957 OG listed a 12-1 southbound and a 10-2-1 northbound. The 1950 pullman list has two of each owned by GM&O (plus two rebuilt heavyweight 13 DBRs and the four ACF lightweight 8-4-3-1's on the Rebel)
KCSfan This train shared its name with that of a species of tropical marine inverterbrates. Name the train, its route (end points) and the railroad(s) on which it ran.
Until 1951 a through coach was carried to and from another city that was off the route of this train. In earlier years it had carried a through sleeper to this other city which was reached by a connecting train of another railroad.
The train I'm looking for ran over two railroads one of which was a subsidiary of the other.
I recall a train by the name of Dolphin, but cannot remember who's where & when!
Not the Dolphin Dave. Here's another hint.
If you were travelling between the end point cities served by this train you'd probably have chosen to take a faster one though beginnng in 1950 you'd have to pay an extra fare to ride that one.
KCSfan This train shared its name with that of a species of tropical marine inverterbrates. Name the train, its route (end points) and the railroad(s) on which it ran. Mark
Would this be the SP New Orleans-Los Angeles Argonaut?
ZephyrOverland KCSfan This train shared its name with that of a species of tropical marine inverterbrates. Name the train, its route (end points) and the railroad(s) on which it ran. Mark Would this be the SP New Orleans-Los Angeles Argonaut?
BINGO we have a winner. Just FYI an argonaut is a species of octopus. While some may say the Sunset Route was SP all the way, in fact El Paso - New Orleans was technically T&NO.
KCSfan ZephyrOverland KCSfan This train shared its name with that of a species of tropical marine inverterbrates. Name the train, its route (end points) and the railroad(s) on which it ran. Mark Would this be the SP New Orleans-Los Angeles Argonaut? BINGO we have a winner. Just FYI an argonaut is a species of octopus. While some may say the Sunset Route was SP all the way, in fact El Paso - New Orleans was technically T&NO. Mark
An Argonaut is also an individual who took part on the 1849 California Gold Rush. I don't think it was SP's intention to name one of their trains after a species of octopus, especially for one that ran primarily through deserts.
Anyway - a question will be supplied shortly.
An Argonaut was also a sailor on the mythical ship Argo but it stands to reason that the train was named for the 49ers of the California Gold Rush. Looking forward to your question.
KCSfan Looking forward to your question.
Looking forward to your question.
The Frisco bought this railroad around the time of the St. Louis Worlds Fair. One of the influences the Frisco had on this purchased line was that this line named several of its passenger trains after the new owner. Name the railroad the Frisco bought and the purchased line's passenger trains that were named after the new owner.
ZephyrOverland The Frisco bought this railroad around the time of the St. Louis Worlds Fair. One of the influences the Frisco had on this purchased line was that this line named several of its passenger trains after the new owner. Name the railroad the Frisco bought and the purchased line's passenger trains that were named after the new owner.
Oklahoma City & Western. One of the trains was the Meteor. Just a guess however.
KCSfan Oklahoma City & Western. One of the trains was the Meteor. Just a guess however. Mark
Nope, I suspect that the Firsco bought this railroad because it saw it as a funnel for traffic from the north.
I'll pick the Chicago & Eastern Illinois, acquired in 1902. Train names....eh....
Frisco Flash?
FlyingCrow I'll pick the Chicago & Eastern Illinois, acquired in 1902. Train names....eh....
The C&EI is the correct road. As for the train names, the C&EI's Chicago-St. Louis trains became the Frisco Express, Frisco Limited and Frisco Special.
Since Buck got the railroad and since I do not have the time right now to monitor this question I'll give the next question to Buck.
Myron
where is your question, Buck?
LOL...attending the train show in Jacksonville!!! Where I met ZO face to face and, thanks Myron...it was nice putting a face with such a worthy challenger!
The Colorado Eagle...at least until 1959...operated over how many and which railroads between St. Louis and Denver.
Have fun!!!
The public timetables showed two railroads operating the Colorado Eagle: the MoP and the Rio Grande. Between Pueblo and Denver, the train ran over both the Santa Fe and the Rio Grande, depending (as I recall) partly upon the grades encountered on each line--take the easier grade for your trains. Also, the train used the KC Terminal in Kansas City and the Terminal RR Association in St. Louis.
Johnny
that man is the winner according to my recollection, except for leaving our some use of UP or CB&Q trackage in accessing Denver Union Station. But then I might not have thought about Kansas City Terminal!
In February, 1942, it was possible to take a through sleeper between Atlanta, Georgia, and Port Arthur, Texas. Name the three roads that handled this line and the junction points.
Johnny, I don't have an OG for this time period so I'll have to guess at this one.
SR - Atlanta - Meridian
IC - Meridian - Shreveport
KCS - Shreveport - Port Arthur
Whoa, slow down there gang. I don't have a problem passing the baton but the answer is not completely correct !!!! TRRA, KCT, MP and Rio Grande are correct. Y'all missed #5.
Buck
KCSfan Johnny, I don't have an OG for this time period so I'll have to guess at this one. SR - Atlanta - Meridian IC - Meridian - Shreveport KCS - Shreveport - Port Arthur Mark
For all the many times that I had looked at this Southern timetable, I missed the extension of the line to Port Arthur until I was looking at it a few days ago.
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