Classic Train questions (50 years or older)

[wanswheel]

1911 map shows Galewood Yard and Western Ave. Yard

http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/e/su/maps/chi1900/G4104-C6P3-1911-C4.html

Mike

[KCSfan]

Paul and TZ,

I just don't know about Norpaul and the IHB. I always thought the trains were routed from Bensenville over the Milw to Franklin Park then over the B&OCTRR to Faithorn.

Since you both answered parts of the question, which ever of you has another ready feel free to ask it.

I remember Faithorn from the post WW2 period when I hung out a few times there. As I  remember there was no town, just a wooden Milw roundhouse and outlying structures and a train order and register office. Trains were headed by 2-8-2's and the engines bringing them down from Bensenville would be turned and they and their crews return on a northbound run. Other crews and engines would handle the trains south of Faithorn.

Mark

[Texas Zepher]

CSSHEGEWISCH

MILW operated over the IHB/B&OCT between Norpaul and Faithorn.

I have one rail line marked on my Chicago map that simply says "BELT".  Its position makes it a candidate.  In fact it parallels the CNW for almost a mile south out of the MILW yard in question, but got the impression that it was an interurban line.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

MILW operated over the IHB/B&OCT between Norpaul and Faithorn.

[KCSfan]

TZ,

1. Not the IC either.

2. Yep, Franklin Park on the north end but not Kankakee on the south. You were closer when you first answered Chicago Heights.

Mark

[Texas Zepher]

KCSfan

1. Not the Pennsy.

Hmmm, really clueless then.  I'd have to go with IC as my next guess.

2. I'm not sure about the street location. Can you name the town on the northern end?

My Chicago geography isn't all that great, especially when it comes to suburbia names.  Hmmmm..  Franklin Park on the north? and Kankakee on the south?

3. Close enough. It was actually the Chicago Terre Haute and Southeastern.

yeah, I knew that, just didn't type it right. 

[KCSfan]

TZ,

1. Not the Pennsy. Yes, the question refers to days when the Milw owned and operated the line - say the 1940 and 50's for purposes of the question.

2. I'm not sure about the street location. Can you name the town on the northern end? Also the trackage rights extended beyond Chicago Heights on the south end.

3. Close enough. It was actually the Chicago Terre Haute and Southeastern.

Keep trying.

Mark

[Texas Zepher]

KCSfan

1. What was this other railroad over which the Milw Rd had trackage rights?.

I guess it depends upon the time period one is talking about. Assuming not recent stuff with Conrail or when the CN / Soo took over but older things.   Also I'll assume not ancient things like the Pittsburgh Cincinnati & St. Louis or Pitsburgh Fort Wayne and Chicago.  That puts me with the Pennsylvania (the subsequent owner/operator of the previously mentioned two).   

2. Between what two points did Milw Rd  trains operate operate over this other road?

Ummmm  from the intersection of W. Kinzie and North Western Avenue to ummm  Chicago Heights.

3. What was the name of the railroad that the Milw acquired to gain access to southern Indiana?

Access through Chicago, or access to the southern part of the state.  Getting through to the southern part of the state was the Chicago Terre Haute & Southern,  to connect that to Chicago was the Chicago Milwakee & Gary.

[KCSfan]

This question has to do with the Milwaukee Road's southern Indiana branch. Shortly after leaving The Bensenville Yard Milw Road trains ran on trackage rights over another railroad before regaining Milw owned tracks. 

1. What was this other railroad over which the Milw Rd had trackage rights?.

2. Between what two points did Milw Rd  trains operate operate over this other road?

3. What was the name of the railroad that the Milw acquired to gain access to southern Indiana?

Mark

[Deggesty]

The White Pass and Yukon operated parlor cars, I know. I do not know enough of its early history to say that it operated day trains only. The June 1916 Guide shows day service only; the June 1893 issue does not have any mention of the road. 

Also, the June 1916 Guide has no indication of the equipment of the trains on the Reid Newfoundland road. The representation of the Newfoundland Ry in the June 1930 issue ahs the notation "sleeping and dining cars on all express trains." Of course, in later years we know that the road did carry sleepers between Port-aux-Basques and St. John's. According to Wikipedia, the Caribou (aka Newfie Bullet) ran until 1969. The railroad was abandoned in 1988. I discussed the action with a native Newfoundlander who worked for the same company that I worked for. Some of the cars were converted from 3' 6" gauge to 3' gauge, and sold to the White Pass and Yukon.

The sleepers (no description), according to the June 1893 Guide, on the San Juan were through cars from Denver to Durango--overnight to Alamosa, and day to Durango. In 1916, the sleepers (standard) ran only east of Alamosa.

Just as Al - in - Stockton, I seldom think of narrow gauge as having been laid outside the U. S. A.

Johnny

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

How about the CN Newfoundland narrow gauge they operated sleeping cars right up until the Newfie Bullet was discontinued.

Oh yeah, that would have been 1968?  I always forget Alaska & Canada when it come to narrow gauge.   What was running on the White Pass & Yukon?

[Texas Zepher]

KCSfan

As Johnny has already said I'm fairly sure it was the D&RGW. If I had to guess on what train, I'd say the San Juan.

That would be the one I was looking for.  The San Juan Express from Durango to Antonito.  Discontinued in 1951.

KCSfan take it away. 

[passengerfan]

How about the CN Newfoundland narrow gauge they operated sleeping cars right up until the Newfie Bullet was discontinued.

Al - in - Stockton

[KCSfan]

As Johnny has already said I'm fairly sure it was the D&RGW. If I had to guess on what train, I'd say the San Juan.

Mark

[Deggesty]

I'll guess that the D&RG still operated sleepers on its narrow gauge lines after 1892.

Johnny

[Texas Zepher]

The Denver South Park & Pacific, Union Pacific, Union Pacific Denver & Gulf, and Colorado Southern railroads had Pullman built sleepers in rosters until about 1892.   What was the only narrow gauge train that regularly ran a Pullman sleeper (I think it was an 8-1) after that time? 

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Texas Zepher

CSSHEGEWISCH

In the diesel era, the Chicago River & Indiana RR briefly held an unusual distinction.  What was it?

WAG - They were the only railroad that had a roster of only Lima built locomotives?

Close enough.  In the early 1960's, CR&I was the only Class 1 railroad with an all-Lima roster. 

Texas Zephyr, it's your question.

[Texas Zepher]

CSSHEGEWISCH

In the diesel era, the Chicago River & Indiana RR briefly held an unusual distinction.  What was it?

WAG - They were the only railroad that had a roster of only Lima built locomotives?

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Many thanks to Texas Zephyr for deferring to me. 

In the diesel era, the Chicago River & Indiana RR briefly held an unusual distinction.  What was it?

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

I guess its Texas Zephyrs turn to ask the  next question.

I'm not prepared nor inclined to prepare the next question.  What about CSSHEGEWISCH?  Would you like to ask the next question?

[passengerfan]

I guess its Texas Zephyrs turn to ask the  next question. The Cascade was initially two tone grey like the Lark and don't forget the San Joaquin Daylight in Daylight colors. Since the SP owned the T&NO I guess you would have to include those two train as well under Daylight painted equipment that operated between Dallas and Houston the Sunbeam and Hustler.

Al - in - Stockton

[daveklepper]

Two-tone grey was also used on the SF Overland Lmtd.  Instead of UP yellow.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Stainless steel with a red letterboard was used on the Sunset Limited.

Not exactly in this category, but SP's bi-level gallery coaches were two-tone gray and later a solid dark gray.

[Texas Zepher]

passengerfan

How many color schemes did the SP have on there streamlined passenger trains

Hehehehe.  Two, Boring and Gaudy!

Seriously lets see if I can do this.

1.  Orange and red daylight scheme - Used on the Cascade, Shasta, Coast Daylight, and Starlight Coastline.

2.  Silver with Red band - used on the Sunset Limited and Shasta?

3.  Red tops with silver (stainless corrugated) sides - used on the umm Golden State? 

4.  Two Tone grey - used on the Lark, Arizona Limited.

5.  Union Pacific yellow - on the City ofs.

6. Stainless steel - Golden Rocket (with RI). 

I find my library seriously lacking SP information.  This is by choice.  I've never liked the SP. 

[passengerfan]

Rather than let the Classic Trains Questions die. Here is a question? How many color schemes did the SP have on there streamlined passenger trains and which streamlined trains wore those color schemes?

Al - in - Stockton

[Texas Zepher]

Deggesty

the Santa Fe at one time controlled it

That would be correct.  The Colorado Midland Railroad went bankrupt in 1897.   It was reorganized as the Colorado Midland Railway where the Santa Fe was the controlling entity.

KCSfan

Samta Fe, Colorado & Southern, Rio Grande

That would be close enough.
Specifically it was the Denver & Rio Grande (long before the Denver & Rio Grande Western that we all call the Rio Grande).   I was sort of hoping the C&S would trip someone up.  At one time both the CB&Q and UP were seriously considering purchasing the Midland.

KCSfan - your turn.
 

[wanswheel]

Theodore Roosevelt at Glenwood Springs

http://photoswest.org/photos/20031001/20031071.jpg    TR

http://photoswest.org/photos/20031001/20031077.jpg    TR 

http://photoswest.org/photos/20031001/20031087.jpg    Train 

http://photoswest.org/photos/20030001/20030005.jpg    Loco 

Dark cloud over Basalt station

http://photoswest.org/photos/20009376/20009408.jpg   Aspen tracks to the right

http://photoswest.org/photos/20030126/20030164.jpg    Basalt station

http://photoswest.org/photos/20009376/20009399.jpg    Basalt station

http://photoswest.org/photos/00007126/00007248.jpg    Basalt gas station 

Indian logo

http://photoswest.org/photos/20030001/20030098.jpg

http://photoswest.org/photos/20030251/20030257.jpg   Refrigerator car

Hagerman Pass

http://photoswest.org/photos/00301501/00301607.jpg    Loop

http://photoswest.org/photos/00300626/00300729.jpg    Trestle

http://photoswest.org/photos/20030251/20030274.jpg    Tunnel

http://photoswest.org/photos/20009376/20009401.jpg    CM #1

http://photoswest.org/photos/00115501/00115620.jpg    Train

http://photoswest.org/photos/20031376/20031393.jpg     Passengers

http://photoswest.org/photos/20103751/20103761.jpg     AT&SF and CM boxcars

http://photoswest.org/photos/00301501/00301613.jpg      Plow

http://photoswest.org/photos/00301501/00301603.jpg     Train on bridge

http://photoswest.org/photos/20006626/20006746.jpg     Automobiles

[KCSfan]

 Samta Fe, Colorado & Southern, Rio Grande

Mark

[Deggesty]

Not having a Colorad Midland history at ahnd, I will say that the Santa Fe at one time controlled it in its attempt to compete with the D&RG in Colorado.

Johnny

[Texas Zepher]

 The Colorado Midland railroad did not make it through the first world war.  In fact, it had a rather turbulent history.  Name the railroads that owned or controlled the Colorado Midland through its lifetime.