Hi Tom and all,
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon!
Eric. Am going to forget about those year numbers from now on. Interesting pix of the RTL and your X2000 coupled together, the "basement" shot in the Superliner car, and the 0-6-0 switcher and limax at the LA County Fairplex. Pity that the cops` did`nt catch that car thief, at least you stopped him stealing your closer neighbour`s car.
CM3. Will just have to be philosophical about those numbers from now on. Interesting info on your ride on the Broadway Limited.
Rob. Hope those storms` you were having have abated by now. It`s good that those short lines over there have such a variation in colour schemes for their locos` for the train fans` photo benefit.
Dan. Good to see you back. The most vivid memory of my projectionist days` was when we showed the Al Jolson Story, by the end of that week I could recite most of the talking parts and sing all of Al`s songs off by heart! Good link to the Gare Du Nord and a good description of the services and train working`s there. An interesting link to the Commonwealth War Graves` Commision.
Pete. You are so right quoting that "moderation' word! Some more immaculate GWR tank loco pix from you, all "keepers" that's for sure. Looking forward to those Tanfield photos` coming up, it`s a pity that I never got to see the Tanfield Museum or Beamish Open Air Museum at all, it was still in it`s planning stage when we left the UK in 1969, my bride had a trip there last time she was home with the family at Whickham.
Tom. I`ve learned that the quote "Pace yourself" is the key to achieving moderation. Those posters must be located at one of our NZ preserved stations somewhere, I will have to keep an eye out for them from now on, i`ve seen some of them in NZ railway history books from time to time. Fine repost from the archives of the Fallen Flags #11 on the PRR with statistics and Drumheads`, and a very informative #3 Named Passenger Trains from the Classic Era on the NYC RR, that's quite a list of named trains they ran over all those years`.
See ya, Allan
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Yes, leon, it is me! Yes, that would be fine. Medium, please and lots of mushroom! Tui!
An almost cool day today! Barely 100˚, maybe 101 or 102 at the most. I had an interesting evening late last night. Somebody, 6+ ft tall, tried to steal one of our cars but run away when I came out. He managed finally to steal another car down the street. Called the police but they couldn't make it here in time.
Tom – Are you telling me I have to subscribe to the “Mentor Village Gazette” in order to find out what happened? That is kind of dangerous. Vito is sending a couple of his “helps” to collect the money every time it's due, no receipts! So Pete needs a laptop that fits in his black bag? Hmm. That means it has to be soda-... I mean waterproof, considering everything he drops into that bag. I don’t know if there is such a thing as a waterproof laptop? Thanks for the nice words about my photos! I have been saying for a long time that I have to go through all my old slides from years back and scan whatever may be of interest. Maybe I’ll have time to do that after October 30. I am afraid that you are right about scrapping locomotives and cars during the classic time. Cut it up! Rain in the desert is something you have to expect this time of the year, thanks to the monsoon. Often it comes with some pretty violent storms. The storm last week had wind gusts of up to 64 mph and a lot of damage. Power poles, roofs, etc. Last night wasn’t that bad. Quite a few well known named passenger trains PRR was operating! I never heard about the Golden Triangle before. Chicago - Pittsburgh, I bet there was a third major city included in that triangle. Some of PRR’s drumheads make me thing of cinnamon, like the Cincinnati Limited. I wonder why?As an average I think PRR had nicer names on their trains than NYC. Okay, 20th Century Limited, is not bad but names like Fast Mail and DeWitt Clinton? CM3 – Do you know what year PRR started with phones on their trains? The X2000 was used for the Congressional Special once! It was May 16 1993. The guards don’t want to see your scar so instead they choose to trust you! Why not? Rob – No, the interior shot is the lower level of an Amtrak Superliner. The X2000 is made of stainless steel but it isn’t visible from the inside. If you ever get a chance to go to Orange Empire Railway Musuem, do it! It is well worth a visit!DL – I am kind of weak when it comes to animals. Can’t stand to see them suffer. Free bag of peanuts? That’s just a memory nowadays! In some cases you have to pay even for a glass of water on domestic flights. Thanks for your report from Paris and the stations! And the links! Looking forward to your next installment!Pete – Good evening Mr. Moderation! Hmmm. The coupler on the X2000 was a slightly modified version of a standard (American) coupler. Normally the X2000 has a coupler of type Sharfenberg (German) wich automatically connects the train line, a supply line for air and a bunch of electrical contacts when you couple the train to another train. National Coal Board! Thansk for the info. You are correct about the lower level of the Superliner! Nice photos (as always) of those small tank locos! 0-6-2 is kind of an unusual wheel arrngement, isn’t it? Totnes, where is that at? I’ve seen that name many times but I still don’t know where it is.
0-6-0 switching locomotive. Used along the docks at San Pedro, CA. Originally built for Santa Fe Railway (#590), was temporarily assigned to the Southern California Railroad as their number 40, and was then Santa Fe 2285 until it was sold to the Outer Harbor Terminal Railway in 1909.
Donated by Sunkist Growers, Inc. and its subsidiary, Fruit Growers Supply Company. Number 3 is a Climax type, geared locomotive and was used on Fruit Growers' logging railroad at Hilt, California. Built 1909.
Both these locomotives are on display at Southern California Chapter Railway and Locomotive Historical Society, Los Angeles County Fairplex, Pomona California
http://www.trainweb.org/rlhs/
Eric
Hi Tom and all.
Back again RUTH so I will try another Bathams please.
TOM Yes I bet the Barriger Library would have all the information on those lines in the 1950s..With the increase in frieght traffic and passenger travel increasing as well, I would think that a lot of railroad managers wish they had some of the capacity there was available in the 1950s today..
Even the short time I have been over here I can tell this August is unusual, at this time it seemed in previous years the main worry was the heat and the lack of rain..
Moderation in all things, apart from Bathams
A few Great Western tank engines.
1. 0-6-0 Pannier Tank No. 9466. A F.W.Hawksworth 1947 design for heavy shunting the majority of this class was introduced in BR days. Behind 9466, in the loco yard at Bridgnorth on the Severn Valley Railway, is ex LMS Jinty No 47383 with the corridor tender of A4 No. 60009 Union of South Africa to the rear of 47383, to the right is a class 08 diesel-electric shunter. In 1958 No. 9466 worked off Worcester shed.
2 At Totnes BR station GW 4575 class 2-6-2T introduced in 1927 No 4588 is running round the train she has brought from the Dart Valley Railway. In 1958 4588 was a Penzance engine.
3 Taff Vale Railway of South Wales 0-6-2 No 85. Built in 1899 No.85 was sold by the GWR in 1927 to a colliery in Sunderland. The loco was bought from there in the 1960s but was not restored to running condition until 2000. No. 85 is on the Keighley & Worth Valley Railway today, where the photo at Oxenhope was taken.
4 Another class of loco that was popular on the GWR lines in the South Wales Coalfield was the G.J. Churchward 4200 class of 2-8-0 tank engines introduced in 1910. No. 5224 was a devolpement of the 4200 class known as the 5205 class introduced in 1923. Here No.5224 takes water on the preserved Great Central Railway at Loughborough. In 1958 5224 was at Severn Tunnel Junction Shed.
Well RUTH another round please and the Steak and Fries.
Pete.
G'day Gents!
My, my - it appears the <GoR> have answered the "call"! A fine turn out on this Friday, so much so that a mid-day round of acknowledgements AND cheer is in order! Boris, ring the bell - Ruth, fill ‘em up for the boyz!
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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Friday - August 15th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 7 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:14 AM: "In" with a ROUND ‘n quarters - "out" with a bit of commentary. Always a pleasure having our man in WVA aboard . . .
Confederate Bonds are redeemable at Vito's Second National Bank of Mentor Village. Hmmmm.
And yes, the books on the Broadway Ltd ‘n 20th Century Ltd are indeed <keepers> . . . fotos are terrific evidence of what it was like for the traveler back in the day. Ahhhhhhhh.
Thanx for stopping by!
Page 7 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:52 AM: And our Manager awoke, half-dressed, ‘n stumbled his way into the bar. Must've been some nite with YOUR friend! <grin> No, no - this certainly isn't a ‘sharing' proposition - she's YOURs now, then ‘n ever more! And she is NOT a dual citizen - in case you may not know, the U.S. doesn't recognize such a thing -OH-FISH-UL-LEE, that is. <grin> So, try as you will, SHE has found happiness ‘n security with the man of her dreams . . . ‘n that guy is YOU!
I'm gathering that your fingers seem to be getting stuck in between the keys more ‘n more, along with a bit of dyslexia - but did manage to decipher your comments on the Confederate money. Well, let me tell ya, one simply must recognize that WHEN the south rises, some of us will have the cash to carry on the campaign . . . Hmmmmmmm.
Actually, I'm hardly a Johhny Reb, but I was born in southernmost part of New York State - perhaps that "counts" for something, eh <grin>
Sorry, but subscriptions to the Mentor Village Gazette are handled by lottery. Tickets are available at any MunchMart in the county. Drawings are held in coincidence with the Lunar calendar . . . as viewed from high atop Mt. Mentor. <ooooooooohhhh>
Much appreciation for the chat, ROUND, good cheer ‘n visit!
Page 7 - Dan <DL-UK> at 1:32 PM ‘n 1:35 PM <7:32 PM ‘n 7:35 PM GMT>: Our man in Sherwood Forest IS alive ‘n kicking! I knew you were "out there," thanx to your Email ‘n am pleased you've been able to catch up with the goings on ‘round here!
Yes, it definitely was the Gare de l'Est where our train arrived in Paris from Germany - for the line was the one passing through Strasbourg . . . a super fine set of links on the north ‘n east stations!
I enjoyed the images you've put into words regarding the views of things going on along the right of way from inside the EuroStar. I too get easily fascinated just watching a switcher running about its assigned duties for the day . . . or the shunting of cars on a siding . . . or the make up ‘n break up of a long line of freights . . . or . . . All part of the excitement of rail travel in my OH-PIN-YUN! One day, perhaps we'll share such an experience . . .
Suspicions confirmed regarding sleepers in some parts of Europe. <sad>
Yes, the "censor" inserts those **** in order to be ever vigilant ‘n protective of those requiring protection. Ahhhhhhhh, but I wonder if the designer had a clue with regard to how easy it is to get **** in the Ether! <I inserted those!!>
Back to your trip - a super-fine report <part deux> ‘n deserving of a pint of whatever favorite brew you have in mind!
Many, many thanx for the visit, chat, report ‘n ROUND!
Page 7 - Pete <pwolfe> at 2:34 PM: And a grand afternoon it is with our Bar Chandler - Sir Moderation - up on his stool <strapped on, of course!> consuming pints of Bathams, moderately! <grin>
Doesn't really matter what the time difference, Posting from the UK will certainly add to the enjoyment of what we do ‘round here <or wherever the bar may wind up!>
Next time we're at the Barriger RR Library, we should make a point to do some research on the trackage that existed in the U.S. back in the 50s . . . all of the major roads, especially the larger ones like the Pennsy ‘n New York Central had miles of mainline . . . And to think the PRR was running regular service along that "quad" track, just boggles the mind when compared to the situation nowadays, eh <groan>
Wouldn't want to wager a guess regarding any of those named trains "connecting" with this one or that . . . mainly because they all didn't run in the same time frames. It's best to avoid trying to get to finite with a list like that, otherwise we "invite" the kinds of <crap> we've seen back in the past from those who are "chest beaters" in the Ether when it comes to "knowing it all." <barf>
Enjoy this August while you can, Mate - I can assure you that we may not see the likes of these temps at this time of year for a long, long time - perhaps not in the remainder of my time above ground.
Enjoyed eavesdropping your comments - appreciate the visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
Tom
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
TOM Many thanks for the NYC 20th Century Limited to rival to the PRR's Broadway. 60 MPH is a very good average with steam power over such a distance of 960 miles. Although the NYC seems to have the easier graded route the PRR line was 60 miles shorter. As Eric said it was a pity all of the streamlined train sets were cut up for scrap.
Thanks for the cover of the Grand Trunk book.
It is hard to think of a worse punishment for a ‘Tweeting' than the one Fergie nearly got.
Hopefully I can find some cyber cafes in the UK so will be able to call in at he bar but with the time difference it may be at odd times, seeing my record with cameras I don't think a laptop would have a long life accompany me on the travels.
Thanks for the kind words on the photos; I am waiting on some details on the locomotives in my Tanfield Railway photos another preserved industrial line in the North East of England.
‘Moderation' is my middle name .
Many thanks for Pennsylvania Railroad Fallen Flag. I see the PRR did not lose too much track in the years between 1950 and 1962, I bet it was different in the next 12 years.
I had a look and out the 254 electrics in 1963 the PRR had in 139 were GG1s. I see the PRR had 4 named trains that ran into St Louis. Good selection of Pennsy Drumheads.
The NYC certainly had a lot of named trains some with great names like the Mohawk and the Wolverine. I guess the Wolverine connected with the New England Wolverine.
ALLAN Thanks for the details of the Wairake area of hot springs, nothing like that in the UK.
Glad you had a good day. Thanks for the kind words on the photos. I believe there is a plan to get No. 876 running again but whether it will appear as 876 or in her BR guise as 65033 I don't know. NCB No.5 and her sister No. 29 have put in a lot of good work on the North York Moors Railway in preservation days with the steep grades like the 1 in 47(over 2%) between Grosmont and Gothland.
ERIC Was the coupler on the X2000 a specially designed one to allow it to couple to the RTL or the one they normally run with.
I cannot recall an incident of a road vehicle coming into contact with the overhead wires on BR, the problem, which seems to happen too often on Britain, is road vehicles bashing into railway bridges despite a lot of warning devices. There is a very low tunnel under Rugby station and I can recall a double decker bus, luckily empty trying to get through it. Took the top deck of the bus right off. Of course all rail traffic had to stop while the bridge was checked for structural damage.
Thanks for the info on #297.
In 1947/8 the Government nationalized the British coal industry. It became known as the National Coal Board and No.5 was in the livery she wore when in the N.C.B. livery. She as carried the green livery of the Lambton Hetton & Joicey Colliery.
I guess the photo is the lower deck of a Superliner Car.
CM3 Glad you enjoyed the photo of No. 876, I wonder how successful the class was as two cylinder compounds.
Do you recall what locomotives hauled the Broadway on your trip. I'm learning, I think, the two trains west of Chicago that are still running are the Empire Builder and the California Zephyr.
ROB Thanks for the 20 for the beer We are expecting rain here, the weather man said it was the first time he could recall our weather coming from Canada at this time of year, but the cooler temps I can certainly deal with.
I wonder if the latest hiring by the Second Class Saloon is an attempt to try to take some of the dining trade away from Our Place, I can't see the Track Gang changing allegiance.
Glad you enjoyed the photos. Yes I heard the old engine crews say freezing backside frying front side. When the railways were nationalized in Britain, for the first class of Standard locomotives, the Britannia Pacifics, BR produced a mock up cab, which toured some loco depots to get the reaction and suggestions of the loco crews. The mock up cab survived and is at the Nation Railway Museum in York. I have heard the Britannia's cabs were on the hot side in service.
DL Good to see you in the bar, glad you are enjoying the photos. I will get my notebooks out and have a look at the date we went to Ashford open day. I recall they had some good locomotives on view and there were a lot of the old SR EMU components like traction motors in various stages of repair.
It is good the tracks are that good that it does not seem that the Eurostar is traveling at 186 MPH. It was like when the HSTs were first introduced, the Great Western track was so good at the time that the only way you knew it was going at around 125 MPH was seeing the mileposts past by two a minute.
Many thanks for the information and links on the Paris stations looking forward to your next post on them.
Your comment on the loco hauled trains still to be seen there brought back memories of what seems a long time ago now.When entering say, King's Cross or Paddington stations in London and wondering what Deltics class 47s or Westerns or Hymeks would be standing by the buffer stops.
Well RUTH quite a busy Friday at the bar so a round please.. Back in a bit with some photos.
Hi Tom
Just caught your NYC post - I'll get back to it. Those *** in my last post were not course language. Just the sysetem seemd to switch them in! Who knows.
Here's a round for the house!
DL
Hello Tom and all in
Apols for the absence, I'll get polishing my own bar stool I think! Pint of Kimberly Mild and a round for the house please. Looks like I've missed some birthdays so extra beer orders for those that are due them!
I've at least had a chance to review some of the posts recently, even though been unable to post. Esp nice continuing selection of Brit pics Pete!
As I attempt to turn to people queries on my trip report -
Pete. Well 186 mph does not feel like it - they are very smooth running trains - you only really get a sense of it when you ruin alongside the motorway and see cars doing 60 - 70 mph and they look like they are dawdling as you race by! I never visited Ashford works (and sad now that Eastleigh has closed more or less). Any highlights you can recall from that visit to Ashford works you mentioned?
Eric - interesting to read of your cat rescue exploits - like most Brits are supposed to have, I have a soft spot for animals! Yes, on my trip report I was comparing the food with transatlantic airline food of course, not the domestic ‘free bag of peanuts' offer!
Rob - glad you liked the World War One cemetery links (you will have noted the bit about Vimy ridge, which as I recall has special resonance for Canadians. I'd actually tried to find pics of the grave yards near the line but could not find any links to them - no doubt it is out there somewhere on the website.
You and Heather may find this link of interest - the official body that maintains the sites:
http://www.cwgc.org/
Tom - got to say I particularly enjoyed your UK poster selection a few pages back. Thanks also for the link back to the pertinent Eurostar pictures - that is the way it was!
Your comment on the demise of the sleepers is indeed correct. The High Speed lines eat into them (although I have to say a 7 hour journey asleep is more time efficient than a 3 hour journey awake - but the bean counters don't recognise that). As an example of your point, the Orient Express (the real one, not the Tourist one) - has been taken off the Paris - Strasbourg leg due to the opening of the TGV line on that part of the route - and it now commences from Strasbourg across to East Europe. France seems to have dropped most sleeping cars altogether and their night trains are now only couchette cars (there is a big difference in the accommodation standard between a Sleeper and Couchette)
Germany, meanwhile, has re-launched its sleeper network with new more modern sleeping cars - so they seem to be heading in a different direction - even though they are also building high speed lines.
My hunch on your 1971 Pars travel would have been an arrival in Gare De L'Est (east station) and departure for Brest from Montparnasse station. But more on that later.
Allan - interesting to read your comments about Whitley Bay - a projectionist no less - got to see all the best films (and some worst ones too no doubt) - I bet you have a few interesting stories to tell about that!
CM3 - 1949 / 51 slides - they must be fascinating - not much photographic slide material from that era this side of the pond - I think it was simply too expensive for most people here in the immediate after war period - or perhaps simply unavailable.
Any way - on arrival at Paris the train from London comes into Gare Du Nord (which is where the boat trains always used to arrive at - or most of them - so this is the traditional arrival station for the British.
It is a very busy station (or was that Saturday afternoon) with high speed services to Brussels, Amsterdam and Cologne as well as London and north west France, plus a lot of commuter style local suburban trains.
Many of the local trains are still made up of rakes of cars and loco hauled - so you still get the spectacle of a Bo Bo electric hauling in the cars and standing at the buffer beams, being disconnected, and another light engine comes on to the head of the train for the next service out. You just don't see that in the UK any more so it was great to watch!
The station is in what I would call the Belle Époque style - with a very grand frontage - some great pics here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_du_Nord
Some interesting history of the place is here too.
I then went round to check out the Gare De L'Est which, if you know the way - is a very short walk from the Gare Du Nord. It serves eastern France and Germany. You approach it form a higher level which means you are above all the tracks which is a great view as it is a very large terminus.
It was much quieter when I passed through - with few people about. It does have some interesting monuments, both to French rail workers who dies in the second world war - and to prisoners of the *** who were deported to death camps from the station - a sobering reminder.
Some good pics here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_l'Est
It has very interesting glass roof - and the frontage is very elegant. I noticed the frontage was well restored but then when I went outside I realised because this is now a Best Western Hotel - there has been less expenditure on the glass train shed roof - which seemed a shame - and surprised me because obviously the station is the departure point for the new high speed line to east France - so I thought that would have stimulated restoration of all of the building - still it was not in bad condition - just not quite at its best!
Anyhow - more on Paris stations next time!
I'd better check the menu!
Regards to all
A bit of activity ‘n some free time at this end makes for a happier bar! Remember, put on a Happy Face! <grin>
Good to see our Manager - missed a day, which of course means a smaller dipper on pay day! And by the by - you DO NOT get another dipper for being the Edtior! <geesh> You're getting just like our Bar Chandler - always conniving . . <yikes>
Here's something not seen before at our digs . .
Named Passenger Trains
from the Classic Era - Number Three
New York Central Railroad (NYC)
Caveat: This list is for the enjoyment of those frequenting "Our" Place. It is not intended to be all inclusive but rather a compilation reflective of perhaps the more noted trains of the day. Keep in mind that each of these trains did not operate in the same year(s) as the others. The intent of this compilation is to generate civil discussion of those passenger trains now relegated to the Classic era!
The New York Central operated dozens of named passenger trains over the course of its existence. They included:
<source: http://www.wikipedia.com/ with some additions from other sources>
Enjoy!
Good morning Ruth , an extra large spiked coffee and a number three if you don't mind.I'll leave a twenty for afternoon rounds for the boys as well as the coal scuttle seems well stocked again this morning One wicked day of storms yesterday really was a "wash" on the upside with all the T-storms we haven't ahd to wash either car this summer
Tom-lots o good stuff from you yeaterday and today.Covered two of the most loved and revered RR's to the Our Place people.I see that teh costs of things in teh Mentor Villiage are still stuck in that time warp,I suspect that Shane's right that a subscription could be had using Cobfederate notes ( somehow I think Vito still prints them )We'll have to look into that flag though <hmmm>
Seems with a bit of digging by our roving reporters and Inspector Clueless,that the object of your affection ( or infection depending )seems to have dual citizenship so expect to see her as often as me,I here that the cleanliless level of the second class has been drastically improved since her hiring.The last food critic to visit survived only with a mild bout of Montezuma's Revenge.
Eric-Interesting shots from the Orange Empire Museum ( another site to see on my bucket list )Intereior shot was of the x2000
Pete-More great photo's yesterday sir Loved em I wouldn't want to even begin tothink what a non-enclosed cabbed steam engine would have been like on the Praires or the North of Scotland.I did talk to a fellow at teh Elgin County Museum in St Thomas a few years back who was retired from teh CNR. He started out as a fireman in the early 40's ad worked heis way up to engineer, retiring in 1979. He said winter in the curtain equiped loco's was an interesting thing. One side of you was blazing hot and you couldn't feel the otherside due to numbness from teh cold wind blowing in through the cab curtains,The engineers on the otherside were usually comfortable as they were fully inside the cab at all times,not having to step out to shovel coal.
Fergie-You likely wouldn't recognize Orangeville anymore.Still alot of farm land but the sprawls generally encroaching. Pop's over 35,000 there now and climbing. Looks like you picked up a good book for the library
Allan-Good to hear that you survived the birthday parties. I figure that it's only fair that they get bigger and better as we get older,eventually we'll forget why were there at some point Canada has had it's share of drab locomotive paibnt jobs over the years as well. I'm glad that they have tried to keep them a bit to the brighter side again. ( at least the shortlines anyway )
Shane-See my comments to Tom. I think you are onto something with the Gazettes paymnet structure.That and Vito seems to have a never ending supply of CSA BANK notes.Even the Mentor Consatbulary seems uninterested in investigating further.
Rob
Friday at the Bar by the Ballast ‘n all's well <of course, we strive to make it BETTER-er!> Good to see Shane "in" on this fine day in mid-continent USA where the temps continue to amaze <mid-80s predicted - fair skies!>
Here's a submission from our sub-basement archives room to tickle the fancy of Pennsy luvers!
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #11
Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR)
<A form of this was initially Posted on 28 Sep 2005, Page 120 at "Our" Place I>
http://cs.trains.com/forums/129/991587/ShowPost.aspx
Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.
Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
Headquarters: Philadelphia, PA
Mileage:
1950: 10,000
1962: 9,756
Locomotives in 1963:
Diesel: 2,402
Electric: 254
Rolling stock in 1963:
Freight cars: 139,356 Passenger cars: 3,546
Principal routes in 1950:
Philadelphia-Harrisburg-Pittsburgh, PA
New York-Washington, DC
Pittsburgh-Fort Wayne, IN-Chicago, IL
Pittsburgh-Indianapolis, IN-St. Louis, MO
Pittsburgh-Cleveland, OH
Baltimore, MD-Buffalo, NY
Wilmington, DE-Norfolk, VA
Chicago-Columbus, OH
Logansport, IN-Louisville, KY
Logansport-Cincinnati
Fort Wayne, IN-Mackinaw City, MI
Columbus-Toledo, OH-Detroit, MI
Passenger trains of note:
Broadway Limited (New York-Chicago)
Clevelander (New York-Cleveland)
Cincinnati Limited (New York-Cincinnati)
Colonial (Boston-Washington, joint with New Haven)
Congressional (New York-Washington)
Duquesne (New York-Pittsburgh)
Edison (New York-Washington)
The General (New York-Chicago)
Golden Triangle (Chicago-Pittsburgh)
Jeffersonian (New York-St. Louis)
Kentuckian (Chicago-Louisville)
Liberty Limited (Washington-Chicago)
Manhattan Limited (New York & Washington-Chicago)
Pennsylvania Limited (New York & Washington-Chicago)
Penn Texas (New York-Washington-St. Louis)
Pittsburgher (New York-Pittsburgh)
Red Arrow (New York-Detroit)
St. Louis (New York-Washington-St. Louis)
Senator (Boston-Washington, joint with New Haven)
"Spirit of St. Louis" (New York-St. Louis)
South Wind (Chicago-Miami, joint with L&N, ACL and Florida East Coast)
Trail Blazer (New York-Chicago)
Union (Chicago-Columbus, OH)
Of note: In the New York-Florida market, the PRR was a forwarder for many connecting passenger trains from other roads.
Some drumheads of the PRR:
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; cofee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We had a violent, albeit short-lived thunderstorm last night. Simultaneous lightning and thunder for about 20 minutes so you know it's close by. This one came out of nowhere. Can't wait to see what happens today as the percentage is fairly high for additional rain. The K9 Korps is about ready for therapy.
Pete was by wth pictures and information as well. Nice picture of the NER 0-6-0.
Eric - P Company had phones on several of the trains in the Northeast Corridor. The "Congressional" is one that I recall. We deal with metal situation by knowing the guards - funny how nobody wants to see the scar (lol).
Allen - Remember, it's only a number, it's only a number.
OSP - Broadway returns along with the Century. Others have commented on the list of connections in the pamphlet. Only two of the names on that list survive today. Had the good fortune to ride the Broadway in a bedroom suite one time - excellent trip! Car was the "Elberton." The consist also included a twin-unit diner which was something different.
Broadway remained all Pullman aftter the Century, as Lucius said, "Became profaned with coaches." Interesting part about that was that Century lost passengers to the Broadway after that happened. Both of the books you included in your post are good ones, as you know.
Subscriptions to the Menor Gazette? No doubt payable in Confederate bonds.
work safe
<CB&Q Zepher at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
Friday's Grin
Lines To Make You Smile
I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.
And the end of another work week <for many> has rolled ‘round. Order yourself a <light> or <traditional> breakfast - grab a pastry from the case ‘n fill up those coffee mugs!
Comments from the Proprietor
An explanation: The "You Post, I Post" idea came about when it occurred to me that I was making many submissions to "myself." In other words, too many "back to back" Posts. It seemed logical to wait until someone came by before dropping off a Post of my own <not counting the AM acknowledgments or "specials," of course>. So, if nothing happens ‘round here during the daylite following my AM submission - the entire day will be a wash. The cycle begins anew the next day, etc., etc.
That's one of the reasons I've encouraged daylite Posts, as nite submissions most times receive comments from me the next morning . . . get it Hope so!
Thursday - August 14th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 6 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:54 AM: Seems like you're getting swacked with some wicked storms while we in the middle of the country are basking in a most unseasonably cool August. "They" are calling for lo-90s (F) by mid-next-week. Petrol is still below $3.50 . . .
Here's my version of a GT book cover - "lifted" from "Our" Place II . . . couldn't enlarge Fergie's offering.
Comments for all ‘n some quarters for Herr Wurlitzer along with a ROUND makes for a fine AM start!
Page 7 - Pete <pwolfe> at 1:01 PM ‘n 3:56 PM: "In" with a two-fer for the afternoon - which of course permits me to follow suit in the You Post, I Post idea . . .
And yes - walk the straight ‘n narrow, for there's a most-special "award" awaiting you next time you receive a <tweeting>! <uh oh>
Figured you'd enlarge the "pewter plate" as it's loaded with RR heralds from north America. One of my favorite gifts of all time . . .
We've spoken about vacations ‘n accessing the bar . . . it surely would be nice, but NOT if it defeats the idea of being on holiday!
Can't say we'll survive - for the way things are going, if there's no one to Post during daylite - then I won't be responding ‘n the cycle will only diminish; if you follow my drift. <sad> Of course if you CAN, then by all means we'd luv it!
Your foto spread is <top drawer> ‘n the descriptions make ‘em all the more interesting!
Thanx for the visits, two ROUNDS ‘n inclusive chat!
Page 7 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:32 PM <4:32 PM Friday NZ time>: I KNOW precisely where you are coming from when you speak of the passing of time ‘n "reaching" your 70s. Speaking for me - I guess the adage of the "good" dying young speaks for itself! <grin>
Those NZ posters supposedly were located at a NZ rail station <sorry, but the name escapes me . . . > Anyway, I thought they were unique ‘n something you'd enjoy!
No hangover - that's the goal for me when imbibing . . . therefore, moderation is the word, eh Caveat: Except when with the Interim Governor General! <uh oh>
Appreciate the visit, comments ‘n of course ROUND of Tui!
Page 7 - Eric <EricX2000> at 11:20 AM <9:20 AM Sandbox time>: Sorry, but only "subscribers" to the Mentor Village Gazette will "know" the rest of the story . . . <grin>
It seems that each time I look at the heralds on my pewter plaque, I come up with at least one that is new to me. Amazing, isn't it
Ohhhhhhhh, don't even mention Pete ‘n laptop . . . I've been down that road before. <groan> I think he feels that if he can't put it in his black bag, it isn't worth the effort. <yikes> And to cancel his trip would mean I'd have to not only put up with him, but Mrs. Wolfman as well. <uh oh>
That's a great foto of the RTL ‘n X2000! Then again, coming from you - we expect such excellence in fotos!
Also, nice shot of the lower level - Superliner I'm guessing. <sweet>
I've read that when the trains of back in the day were through with their final runs - many of them went to scrappers almost immediately <within weeks>. Wish I could find the reference . . . but anyway, specialty trains probably weren't even thought of as being "worth" of saving - after all an entire industry was about to bite the proverbial dust. <sad>
Take heart, though - for I KNOW there are some smoothsides still around from the NYC 20th Century Ltd days . . . last time I read about ‘em was in connection with the U.S. version of the Orient Express . . .
Raining in the desert <again>! Seems the entire country is upside down in terms of weather patterns - but we'll take the cooler temps any time . . .
Many thanx for the visit, chat, fotos ‘n inclusive comments!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
TODAY is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Leon, I would like a #5 with fries and a cold Tui, please!
A rainy evening her in the desert. At least for a while, a storm passed over our part of the city and dumped a lot of water andhad a lightning show at the same time. We all survived.
Fergie – Hope we will see a photo of your locos when you have painted them! Something to look forward to. That book, Trackside Grand Trunk sounds interesting. Tom – That plaque is very nice and interesting to look at. Study all the heralds in detail. I’ve never seen it at any other place or in any ad. Almost like one of a kind. What do you mean? Wait for page 36 before we will learn what happened the Can-Am County Olympic Swimming Team? That is not fair! Was it Vito? I know what you can do to cover Pete’s afternoon portion here at the bar, just cancel his trip! Or make sure he is bringing a laptop! Helga will be happy to carry it for him! Very nice photo of the GG1 hauling the Broadway Limited! Interesting info on the Broadway Limited! I guess that was the first train with a telephone for the passengers! Sad story about NYC streamlined train sets in Art Deco style. All scrapped! That is a crime!Here is another photo of RTL #158 coupled to the X2000 when it was first tried in the fall of 1992. In this photo #158 had not yet been painted in the white and blue you saw in the other photo.
CM3 – Must be annoying setting of the metal detectors all the time. I guess you have some kind of letter from your doctor explaining the problem? Metro North, thanks for the info. Pete – In Sweden the normal free height for a truck or bus at a grade crossing is 15 ft when it is an electrified line. If you try to pass with something higher your vehicle will hit signs before you enter the track(s). Thanks for the info on Bowes Railway! I am quite sure the semi-circular cover on #297 is a traction motor blower (to cool the traction motors). There is one over each truck. Interesting photos, but what the heck does NCB stand for? I checked the text but couldn’t find any explanation. Or am I blind? Allan – You don’t have to wind back the clock. Even if you are supposed to be 73 (which is not very high, it’s not even 3/4 of the way to 100) you are not older than you feel you are. I am officially 65 but I feel like 27, hey, where is the brunette? I think you feel close to 27 too! So that is what you are. Thanks for the round! In the basement!
The usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please Leon.
Tom. Many thanks for your extended birthday greetings, I think it is now time to put the clock in reverse mode from now on, never thought i`d reach the 70`s, seems unbelievable to me! Those NZ posters` you posted were new to me (would you believe?), the Dunedin Sunshine Social Club reminded me of the times we spent at the beach at Riverton when we lived down in Invercargill in the 70`s, their`s a mini Soundshell there for concerts etc. Wairake is a thermal area at Rotorua, their are geysers`, hot mud pools`, fumeroles` and a big Hot Spring Spa pool complex in the area. Waitomo Caves` are commonly known as the "Glow-worm" caves, very popular with tourists` they have cave white water inner tube rides` there as well. Very interesting BITD #8 on the PRR "Broadway Limited" with the pix, pamphlets`and book cover, and BITD #9 on the NYC RR "Twentieth Century Limited" with the pix ,those Dreyfuss Art Deco styled 4-6-4 Hudson`s were nice looking machines`. E-mail update received with thank`s.
Eric. Many thanks for your birthday wishes, look`s like it`s time to wind back the clock now, 73 is looking VERY high numberwise! Some fine pix from the Orange Empire Railway Museum from you. I`ll leave it in your capable hands to keep Vito under control.
Fergie. Many thanks for your birthday wishes, birthdays` seem to come around so quickly nowadays. Cool pic of your MESS Rly official coffee mug.
CM3. Many thanks for your kind birthday wishes, I had just enough Tui`s and wine chasers` to work up quite a decent glow, thankfully NO hangover!
Pete. Had a very quiet, but nice, birthday celebration, although I managed to work up a glow with some Tui`s and a couple of wine chasers`. Some lovely pix from you in the NE railway theme set, great shots` of NCB No 5 and NER No876 in NER green, looks a lot better than the dirty black BR days. Sad to hear they are not running the rope way at Bowes nowadays, probably because of some PC safety rule some one`s dreamed up no doubt!
I see Pete made it back with a fine foto spread to cheer up the afternoon crowd . . .
which also frees me up to employ the You Post, I Post idea . . .
Now Arriving on Track Number One
Back in the Day
Number Nine - The NYC Twentieth Century Limited
The 20th Century Limited was an express passenger train operated by the New York Central Railroad from 1902 to 1967, during which time it would become known as a "National Institution" and the "Most Famous Train in the World." In the year of its last run, The New York Times said that it "...was known to railroad buffs for 65 years as the world's greatest train." The train traveled between Grand Central Terminal in New York City and LaSalle Street Station in Chicago, Illinois along the railroad's famed "Water Level Route". The NYC inaugurated this train as direct competition to the Pennsylvania Railroad's Broadway Limited, both lines intended for upper class as well as business travelers between the two cities. Making few station stops along the way and as few breaks for water and coal as possible, trains on this route routinely could make the 960.7-mile journey in as little as 15 1/2 hours (but usually in 16 hours): about 60 mph.
Known for its style as well as for its speed, passengers walked to and from the train on a plush, crimson carpet which was rolled out in New York and Chicago and was specially designed for the 20th Century Limited; thus, the "red carpet treatment" was born. <from: wikipedia.com>
Back earlier than I expected and missed the rain so a Holden's Special please RUTH.
TOM I will have to try to get on a computer when I am in Britain.
Many thanks for the Back in the Day on The Broadway Limited or the PRR. It must have been quite a daily sight to see the Broadway Limited on the road with a GG1. I guess the regular passengers were quite loyal to ether the PRR Limited or NYC's 20th Century Limited. It would be quite a choice of line to take if travelling on to the West Coast from Chicago.What it must have been to be retired and rich in those days for a railfan.
Some more photos with a North East of England theme.
The first three are of Lambton Hetton & Joicey Colliery 0-6-2 No. 5 built in 1909 by Robert Stephenson & Hawthorn Co. at their Darlington Works as their works No. 3377.The LH&JR had running powers over some BR lines in the area, No. 5 stopped work in 1969 and was bought for preservation in 1970.
1st photo No 5 is at Levisham on her home railway the North Yorks Moors Railway coupled to what looks like a GWR Inspection Saloon she was hauling, on Pickering to Levisham shuttles on a Gala Weekend. I believe No.5 had just been returned to traffic in the photo after an overhaul
Two photos of No.5 at Grosmont, which is the junction from the NYMR to the BR Middlesborough to Whitby line.
At Beamish Museum, North Eastern Railway 0-6-0 No.876 a 1886 T.W.Wordsell design built at Gateshead Works. Most of the class were built as 2-Cylinder compounds and later rebuilt as simple locomotives.In LNER days she was class J21 and in BR days carried the number 65033 and was allocated to Blaydon shed in 1958.
Well RUTH a round please and the Fish 'N' Chip.
As I was about to Post my mid-day offering, along came Pete! Even as slow as things have been 'round here in daylite <'n they surely have!> it's a pleasure to have Shane in his AM slot 'n Pete hold up the afternoon portion. Don't know what we're going to do when the Wolfman is gone for a MONTH! <arrrrrrggggghhhhh>
Finally finished printing out fotos <4x6> from Rendezvous III. <phew> What a stack! Now to place them in albums . . . Doesn't appear that anyone is interested in exchanging discs . . . so, I'll remain content with what I took.
Now Arriving on Track #1
Back in the Day - Number Eight
The Broadway Limited of the Pennsylvania Railroad
<Initially Posted on 03 Dec 2007, Page 148 at "Our" Place III>
The Broadway Limited was the Pennsylvania Railroad's (PRR) premier named passenger train, operating one train daily in either direction between New York (or Washington, D.C.) and Chicago. The Broadway ran from 1912 (although its train Nos. 28 and 29 operated from 1902 as the Pennsylvania Special) and outlasted the Pennsylvania Railroad, operating under Amtrak until 1995. The name referred not to Broadway in Manhattan, but rather to the "broad way" of the Pennsylvania Railroad's four-track right of way along a large portion of the route. <from: wikipedia.com>
The all-Pullman Broadway Limited cruises through Metuchen, New Jersey in the Summer of 1961. <Use authorized by trainweb.com>
On June 15,1938, the Broadway Limited was completely re-equipped with lightweight steel cars to replace its heavyweight steel cars. This was the same date that new, streamlined equipment made its debut on rival New York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited."
The new, streamlined equipment traversed the 900.7 miles between New York and Chicago in 16 hours: the same timing as the New York Central's "Twentieth Century Limited." Though the Pennsylvania's route was 60 miles shorter, slower speeds across the Allegheny Mountains between Altoona and Pittsburgh, PA equalized the two trains' times. <from: wikipedia.com>
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TOM Many thanks for the signs from the Can-Am Train Room. That is a great metal sign with the U.S. railroad logos, as you say the photo must be enlarged to get the full impact and the two posters from the Polar Express film.
I don't think the UK is nowhere near as foggy as it used to be when I was a kid we used to get some real pea soupers then.
Glad I was able to help out with the Welsh Marches info. Yes the bar is really a great place for learning about this great hobby of ours..
Really great to see the Mentor Village Gazette reporters are still alive and well providing a valuable 24/7 news service and carrying the adverts people want.
ROB Glad you enjoyed the photos. Yes the locomotive crews must have been made of hard stuff in the old days, imagine running a train in Canada or the Scottish Highlands in the depth of winter with just a tarp keeping the snow a cold wind out. I guess some of the locomotives built in the UK for the colder countries had enclosed cabs.
It is good a Master Mechanic had a locomotive named after him. I guess the Ohio Central steam excursions are popular do they run excursions with their older diesels.
Luckily there was not a ‘reverse angle' (so to speak) camera at the incident with Helga. She has kept silent as to what happened to the judges, but I doubt if they have recovered yet.
ALLAN Hope you had a great I hoped you would like the photo from the Bowes Railway, I don't think the rope incline is working today for demonstrations. I got to and from the Bowes by bus from Newcastle.
I must admit I do like that Caledonian blue livery.
I will post another couple of locomotives from the North East later. I have some info on the loco in the Bowes photos at the end of my post. I have a few photos from Tanfield; I am hoping to get some info in the locomotives in them.
ERIC Glad you enjoyed the photo of the Bowes Railway. I think it was just the brake van No22 pulled it is a steep incline from Springburn, I don't know if they run a demonstration freight wagons on that part of the line.
I think the overhead wires are lower in the UK than in mainline Europe but do not know the exact height. Despite some lines on BR having the clearances increased to accommodate larger containers, some classes of steam locomotives have to have the height reduced from that they ran at in steam days to run on the main line.
Many thanks for the photos; the Yakima Valley Transportation electric is an interesting locomotive. I wonder what the purpose of the semi-circular cover extending from the cab was for. The UP connection can be seen from the color scheme on #297
FERGIE Getting ‘Tweeted', getting it rescinded and free Keith's in a bottom less stein for a week]. I will have to watch my step knowing what the punishment for the next ‘Tweeting' is going to be.
CM3 I will have to have a look at those books at the Barriger Library. It must have been quite a novel experience the radios on the trains, I guess at the time most automobiles were not yet fitted with radios. I suppose the radio dispatching of trains came in at about the same time.
The fog came down really quickly at the Bowes if I remember right. At the time I was disappointed it stopped the rope incline demonstration.
Own up time. The locomotive at the Bowes Railway was not NCB 2 but NCB 22 the works number 2274 was right. No.22 was built in 1949. It was delivered to Springwell Bank Foot then moved to East Tanfield Colliery, next Marley Hill before ending her career at St Anthony's Tar Works in Newcastle on Tyne before being saved for preservation..
Well RUTH a round please, in a bit early today as I have to go out for a while now. Hopefully back later with some photos.
And this just in from our 24/7 news source - The Mentor Village Gazette!
Proprietor rescinds <tweeting>!
In a rare move this morning, the Proprietor of the tavern known as "Our" Place was forced to rescind a penalty levied upon an irrregular-part time customer at the bar.
Seems that the Proprietor was found guity of NOT READING THE WORDS, which is something he regularly accuses others of. Seems he accused the customer of failing to order food or drink upon entering - a clear violation of rules at the bar.
Therefore, the <tweeting> and follow-up penalty levied upon one Fegmiester <sp> has been lifted. Apologies and restitution for pain and suffering, mental anguish along with loss of self-esteem has been offered in the form of a week's worth of Keiths beverages in bottomless steins.
In other news, the Can-Am County Olympic Swimming Team suffered a humiliating set back this morning <Beijing time> when the women's underwater specialists . . . . <see page 36>
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American flag, 60 stars. Pole included, $100.
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Cute kitten for sale. Two cents or best offer.
Free puppies. Part German Shepherd, part dog.
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All the news given to fits!
Later!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. We're still standing although we had a fair amount of damage at work from a thunderstorm that appeared out of nowehere and didn't move for awhile (three+ inches of rain in an hour with about 1.5 inches of hail) led to some serious flooding. It was the aame at the house but we live on high ground for which we are thankful. K9 Korps was and is a nervous wreck after all of this.
Pete - Radio was a "big deal" on many trains back in the day. The next time you are in the big city and at the "libury" see if you can find a couple of Official Guides from the 1930s and browse through them. You'll see what I mean. Also, the book Steam, Steel and Limiteds has some good shots (interior and exterior) of observation cars and lounge cars that were radio equipped. Tyne fog looked like my yard when I headed out this morning.
Rob - Thnaks for the kind words on the Wabash material. A few years back, Green Frog did a great videotape on the Wabash - all sorts of passenger runbys. You'll find that they used all sorts of power on their trains.
Fergie - Trackside GT in New England - did not know there was such an item. I'm going to have to hunt that one for the collection. Thanks for that post.
Eric - I do set of metal detectors account all of the junk in my knee. Excellent shot of the YV electric - a most interesting operation. The shop belngs to Metro North.
Allen - Hope you are recovering o.k. from celebration.
OSP - E-mail rec'd. I enjoyed the New Zeland itmes, especially the NZ Touris poster and the one for Waitomo Caves.
Thursday ‘n time for a fresh mugga Joe - pastries from The Mentor Village Bakery ‘n don't forget to order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
A "back channel" Email sent on Wednedsday to the <GoR> plus one!
The 14th of August is Allan's Birthday!
August 14th (Allan - 73)
CATFISH (July 24 - Aug 23) Catfish are traditionalists in matters of the heart, although one's whiskers may cause problems for loved ones. You Catfish are never easy people to understand. You run fast. You work and play hard. Even though you prefer the muddy bottoms to the clear surface of life, you are liked by most. Above all else, Catfish should stay away from Moon Pies.
Wednesday - August 13th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 6 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:13 PM: Always a pleasure to have you aboard! I'd say you had at least 3 Posts all rolled into one . . .
Foggy in the UK Nah, you must be jesting! <grin>
Just the image of either of the H&H "gals" in anything other than barley sacks would make a sober man want to imbibe - heavily! <yikes>
Thanx for the clarification on the Welsh Marches . . . always something to learn at the Bar by the Ballast, eh Youbetcha!
Sorry, there's no connection between being Interim Governor General ‘n health issues. The former is a "distinction," whereas the latter is a condition not wished upon friends.
Another offering from our Bar Chandler chock full o' musings, facts, fotos ‘n fun!
Thanx for the ROUND! <KaChing> <KaChing>
Page 6 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 5:30 PM: It must be awfully difficult to accept the reality that SHE is now residing in Brantford. Understand she's got an "in" with a certain retail toy outlet in town! <uh oh> I do think she'd be a natural for the job of hostess at The Second Class Saloon. "Hiya sweetie, a stool at the bar or a table with a view out back by the dumpsters " Yeah, that sounds about right! YOU sure know how to pick ‘em! <uh oh>
Each of those Proto RDCs is well worth having - LifeLike did a marvelous job with the detailing.
Enjoyed the visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
Page 6 - Allan <Gunneral> at 8:33 PM <3:33 PM Thursday NZ time>: Lucky you getting to celebrate your birthday in the eastern ‘n western hemispheres! <grin>
Hoped you'd enjoy those NZ posters - took a bit o' time locating ‘em . . . Please feel free to share any insights you may have for any of ‘em . . . They are just "bare bones' offerings.
There were many, many passenger trains operating in ‘n out of St. Louis back in the day. It must've been a treat just to walk the station platforms to gaze at all of those different road names, liveries ‘n locos. As you've read in the past, my only time through here by train was in 1953 with a contingent of Boy Scouts from New York City bound for Santa Ana, California ‘n our Jamboree <attended by 50 thousand Scouts>. Spent the day ‘n night in St. Louis - sleeping aboard the train, of course - "troop style." Was quite a blast for a 15 year old . . . Ahhhhhh, <sweet> memories.
Appreciate the visit on your B'day ‘n wish you many, many MORE! Cheers <clink>!
ROUND of Tui has been picked up by the bar . . .
Page 6 - Eric <EricX2000> at 11:41 PM <9:41 PM Sandbox time>: So, those RTLs are two of a kind, eh Thanx for the insights!
That plaque at the base of the stairwell to the Can-Am Train Room with the railroad heralds is an engraved pewter plate on cherry wood. It was a gift from my kids about 30 years ago. Never saw one anywhere else. It was advertised in a Model Railroader magazine . . . It's one of those fotos that MUST be enlarged to appreciate . . . Thanx for asking!
Fun stuff - tech stuff ‘n foto stuff - all makes for a fine < I3 > Post from our Resident Desert Swede <aka: The Sandman!>
Electric loco, bay window caboose ‘n switcher are all <keepers>!
Many thanx for the good cheer, insights, fotos ‘n ROUND!
Thursday - August 14th:
Page 6 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 6:58 PM <8:58 AM ADT>: Whoever said that Fergie was a day late ‘n a dollar short must've know about his Post for this morning! Well, at least we know his heart is in the right place, even if he's a month "off" . . . sorry to break this to ya, Mate - but it was our 40th Month Anniversary! <yuck> <yuck> <chuckle> <giggle> <snicker> <laff>
No, I don't have any plaques for the Dominion Atlantic - although one would fit quite nicely on that Canadian Railway display I have in the Can-Am Trainroom. There's a method to my madness for most of those wall mounted signs. The roads depicted, in the majority of cases, are those that I've traveled on. Exceptions - of course, but for example that area where Amtrak - BC Rail - VIA Rail ‘n Alaska Railroad is depicted are the passenger trains that we've traveled with since 1990 . . . The signs for the Pennsy - NH - NYC - B&M all are reflective of my favorites as a youth <traveled on all of ‘em too> . . . ‘n it goes on ‘n on. Just the way I like to "do it."
Coffee mugs are "way cool" - I like the giant sized one! <grin> You have the <censored> best looking model RR logo I've ever seen.
And now for the Happy Face part - <tweeeeeeeeeeeet> <tweeeeeeeeeeeeet> Rules Violation! Rules Violation! Rule #2 - Failure to order a drink or food upon entering! Penalty: "Honey dip" the Rat's Patoot Room His-uns ‘n Her-uns privies! <yikes>
Gotcha, Mate . . . win some, lose some ‘n others are rained out! Let's see, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8............... 35,36,37,38,39,40! <phew>
TODAY is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Good Morning Captain Tom and Crew
Just in for a in my O-Fish-ul MESS Mug.
Tom: I went to the LHS yesterday and I picked up a Dominion Atlantic Plaque, betcha don't have one of those do ya? Also picked up a copy of
Trackside, Grand Trunk, New England Lines. Some very nice pics indeed.
Rob: I haven't travelled the 9 in years... I would hate to think what it looks like now. When I left Toronto (1981) they were just starting to build residential North of Steeles and around Bathurst. The Double Main Line north of Steeles was one of my Meccas where I'd go with my 120mm Kodak Bellows Camera with a few rolls of B&W.
Eric and Allan Thanks for the kind kudos. Yes the 700 Series Texas Types were a gorgeous engine and I look fwd to Painting it as in just picked up the decals yesterday!
And Allan~
Happy "X" Anniversary Of your 39th !!!
Anyway time to hit the showers Gents!
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
No Leon, just a cold Tui, please!
First of all, before it is getting too late, a
Happy Birthday to Allan!!! Have agood one!!!
Fergie – Thanks for the photos from the MESS! A couple of very good looking Budds! Very nice! The first price goes to your two brass locos! My favorite is the 2-10-4! I know you mentioned it before but I don’t remember the class. Glad you got a headlight for the Ps-4. Good luck with the vendor!Tom – Well, I don’t know if I would call them locomotives (between X2000 and Amtrak’s F40). What you see is RTL #154 and #158 painted especially for pushing and pulling the X2000 in non-electrified territory. But they were not very reliable and were replaced by two F40’s after the New England part of the National Tour with the X2000. Thanks for the link! I have actually seen that video before. Too much activity with the brunette? Impossible! Probably the opposite, that’s why I lost so much of my memory. Just anecdotal stuff? Hmmm, I think you know much more than you would admit about those kind of things!“Kempt”? Me kempt? Hmm, I don’t think so, but you never know when the brunette will show up next time. As a matter of fact, I talked to her last Sunday!Thanks for the New Zealand ads! Very nice and interesting! When I win the powerball I am going down to that part of the world! Familiar sights! The signs from the Can-Am Train Room! I never asked so I’ll do it now, where did you get that big metal plate with all the RR emblems? CM3 – Thanks for the info about New Haven station and what is around it. A motor winding shop? Belonging to? Amtrak? Metro North?I think we discussed the Blue Bird tail light earlier, maybe last year. Flashing when the train is running slower than 20 mph. Did show a steady light (with the 8-pattern) when it was running faster? Pete – I like those foggy photos! Especially the first one! Super! Would have been perfect if the loco had been hauling some cars! Very good shots! Okay, so they are 4 cylinder locomotives! I’ll try to remember that now! Castle equals four cylinders. Thanks for the info! The pantograph on the X2000 had to be operational up to 7.47 m (24.5 ft) over the rails. That is higher than what is normal in Europe. I don’t remember the exact normal height in Europe, but it should be around 6 m (20 ft). I’ll say it again, I am glad I didn’t have to work in a cab like the one on #828 in the winter time. Rob – I used to set off metal detectors at the airports but not last n umber of years. Probably because I hardly ever eat fish any more. No fish, no mercury! SD40’s are still in service! I thought maybe they had the wide body to make room for some HEP equipment! But I guess a good reason is to provide protection for the crew in the winter time. Allan – Good to see you Sir!! Happy Birthday to you!!! Kind of belated but I heard the NZ government has extended August 14th 6 hours to give you more time to celebrate!!!Don’t worry about Vito, I have a secret weapon that will take care of him if necessary!
A few photos.
Yakima Valley Transportation (a UP subsidiary) #297 is a Baldwin-Westinghouse electric locomotive originally from Southern California. Orange Empire Railway Museum, Perris, CA.
SP's caboose #374, built 1947. Orange Empire Railway Museum, Perris, CA.
I am not 100% about this one but it should be USAF #7441 a 45-Ton Switcher from 1942. Orange Empire Railway Museum, Perris, CA.
Round for the house!
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please!
Rob. Good to see you in. Really enjoyed those last two loco pix posts from you, the Canadian Rly colour selections for all those locos` make them stand out from the usual drab loco paint jobs. Glad to read you were well away from that propane gas plant explosion that happened in the Toronto area.
Tom. Many thanks for your birthday wishes mate, and also for that fine display of NZ rail posters` you posted, a real NZ flavour for my natal day. A fine set of signs from your Can Am train room in Pt2 of the series. Very interesting info on the WABASH RR "Blue Bird" passenger train post. Looks as if i`ll have to be very careful how I talk when Vito`s around.
Fergie. A nice link to that YouTube video of the new A1 Pacific "Tornado", very nice set of pix of your MESS Rly, the brass looks terrific.
CM3. That's what`s so great about Our Place, you never know what info and pix the crew will turn up with and you can get such a lot of great surprises around here all the time. Some fine info on the WABASH RR "Blue Bird" equipment, fits in so well with Tom`s post about it.
Pete. Many thanks for your birthday wishes and those very nostalgic foggy Tyne pix of the Bowes Rly and the Caledonion 0-6-0 loco. Tom really hit my memory button with that Whitley Bay poster for sure. Another nice set of GWR steam loco pix from you, they all look immaculate except for 2885 in the restoration bay.
Eric. A couple of fine pix of the Mg electric loco and the New Haven motor park area. Will be very careful when Vito`s around from now on.
Good evening gents. Leon a round of the best,oh and send an extra TUI towards the birthday boy
Tom-Sorry mate teh greencards legit ( at least as legit as Vito's people can get ) I suspect it ws her not a relation of H&H that was in that secret truck load to the mountain villiage.For some reason Inspector Clueless and comapny have turned a blind eye to it all as well.Still that makes her Mountainman Mikes problem which ends up being a win win as far as I can see,which over her isn't very.
The editor eh hmmm well another title another dipper for the bath tub.
Great photo's and posters today sir,and some decent info on teh ole RDC's to the RDC master.I have one of the Dominion Atlantic RDC 1's as well along with a CP rail RDC 3 in the matching paintscheme.They make for a decent set or individual passenger trains depending on my mood.
Eric-A couple more wonderfull photo's sir You might be onto something with that mercury thought.One question do you set off metal detectors at the airport for no real reason if so your theory may be correct.
The SD40F's were designed to be and still used strictly as a freight diesel.The full car body was to provide extra crew comfort in that they didn't have to service engines outside in the Canadian winters.They were originallu built for the CP western lines,but now you see them raoming the entire system.
Fergie-Great shots of your newest aqusitions.With the engine types Tom gave you for the RDC's haow difficult will that be for a close match soundwise.Perhaps a 44 tonner chip.
We enjoy the HWY 9 route.It's alot more buiilt up now as well as Orangeville Guelph etc have all gotten quite a bit bigger,but you don't get the truck traffic so that's a plus.I ddin't see or hear any of the booms.I did hear via radio reports that some of teh guys working the night recieving docks at Dofasco in Hamilton saw the flashes and the following glow the fires.I see that there are several class action suits being filed against the various parties over it.
Shane-Great follow up info on the Bluebird, that train must really have been something.I imagine it usually had the PA's as power as well.I can't say that I'm much into the fashion scene,Boris apparently is though so he may be able to offer some tips
Pete-I liked today's shots. The curtain holders on the cab roof remind me of the CP and CN open cab steam engine4s. They always had warp around heavy curtains for the bad weather,many loco types did have fully enclosed cabs as well,but the one's that didn't had the curtains.
I haven't looked into teh whole story on teh name on that RS 18 in Ohio.But waht I gather si i's named after a master mechanic that used to work for the Ohio Central ( they have steam excursions as well all old GTW locmotives )
Again more info on Helga's athletic prowess that I can stomache. I imagine that the world should have banned that display. I'm sure the judges are still in therapy for what they saw.
Between 8:43 AM ‘n 4:13 PM there were two Posts - mine! <geesh> That's one hullua long time between <KaChings> at the Saloon by the Siding. We can ‘n should do better - especially given the looooooooong planned absences coming up. <groan>
Good to see our Bar Chandler - Old Reliable - come through in his "slot." We're surely hurting for a noon-time guy . . . guess those days are long gone. Anyway, I've been holding this Post - keeping with my You Post - I Post mantra . . . so here goes:
Continuing on with our Wednesday OP-SHUN-UL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day!
SIGNS from the Can-Am Train Room - Part Two
Rule of Six suspended <plus one>!
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More next week!
A round please RUTH for ALLAN's .
As Tom says it is now the 14th in NZ so to ALLAN. I have a couple of photos to start with, a bit foggy but it is genuine Fog from the Tyne These were taken at the BOWES Railway south of the River Tyne on Sunday 27th September 1998. It was an open day on the railway and I had traveled from Springburn station to Incline Halt behind this Barclay 0-4-0ST Works No 2274 in a converted brake van, the engine was painted as NCB No. 2. At Incline Halt was the engine house for the rope hauled incline, we were due to have a demonstration of the incline working but the fog made it unsafe to do so as there is a Level (grade) Crossing at the bottom of the incline.
NCB No.2 is in this next photo somewhere, honest.
ROB Many thanks for the kind words on the Great Western photos being an LMS man it does hurt to admit they had some great looking locomotives.
Get promoted to Interim Governor and get the dreaded gout HMMM.
Don't repeat this but HELGA told me this after she had taken in to much Schnapps. She was well in the lead in the Olympic Weightlifting years ago when she was going for a new world record. The bar was loaded will ALL the available weights. Unfortunately during the lift her lederhosen split and the sight so offended the judges it was immediate disqualification and a lifetime ban from the sport.
ERIC Many thanks for the photo of the preserved Mg #620 it looks in a slightly different paint color from #609.
Glad you enjoyed the photos. It seems only yesterday that I posted the Great Western locomotive and you asked about the cylinders but I had a look and it was on July 22nd on page 58 of Our Place III time flies. I think the photo you referred to then was the Castle in photo 3 not the Manor I thought you meant in photo 2. Yes, as you said at the time, the GW Castles are 4-Cylinder locomotives and they are the inside cylinder covers above the buffer beam. I will have to stop putting some of my descriptions above the photo and some below.
Enjoyed the X 200 and the ICE trains in the photo in New Haven
FERGIE Not had kippers for breakfast for a long long time.
Glad you enjoyed the photos.
Your two new models look really great additions to your fleet, enjoying the RDC talk between Tom and yourself.
Are you talking about Hull Tigers and Glasgow Rangers
CM3 There must a bit of a story behind the Ohio Central diesel being named ‘Chappy'.
I will have a look at that Rail Photos site. Alan has just sent me to a few links on U-Tube to Oliver Cromwell's trip on the 40th Anniversary special last Sunday.
Many thanks for the information on the Wabash Blue Bird train. I guess the taillight that came on at 20 MPH was a variation of a MARS light. I wonder if the radio music played in the cars was popular or did most passengers prefer a quiet journey.
TOM Not seen much of English Bob lately, perhaps if we go there Saturday evening he might be in Pat's, I think Bob is more interested in old ships.
I have reported some of Helga's sport prowess in my reply to Rob.
Many thanks for the kind words on the photos and descriptions. The steam specials at the time of the photo of Defiant at Newport were worked by what was known as the Steam Locomotive Operators Association and they ran a series of trains over certain routes.The Settle & Carlisle line trains were known as the Cumbrian Mountain Expresses. The Welsh Marches Express train ran on the route Chester-Shrewsbury- Hereford-Newport, the area the train ran through is known as the Welsh Marches.
The trains were formed of BR MK1 coaches in the early days, I do not know the full story about this and would like to know, but SLOA was offered some ex Eastern Region Metro-Cammell Pullman cars built in the 1960s for use on the steam specials. Then the name changed from Express to Pullman on the headboard. The Pullmans were not popular with everyone as the doors had not opening windows, unlike the Mk1s, so it was not possible to see the steam loco from them.
It was sad that great stock on the Blue Bird did not have a long time in service.
As I said to Fergie enjoying the RDC conversations.
Many thanks for the link to the X2000 and the ICE video, Perhaps Eric could comment on how high the pantographs seem to be on the trains, I guess the wires in the US are a lot higher above the tracks than in Europe. There are a lot of other good Amtrak videos on that site .
I am sure Allan will enjoy those great and very colorful New Zealand Railway Advertisements. Some of the prices are amazing,Just 16 Pounds 5 Shillings for seven weeks all line travel and 11 Shillings for a 343-mile day excursion. I wonder what year NZ went to the NZ dollar.
As I was looking through my albums for some photos with a North East of England flavour for Allan I came across these. Eric was talking about the open cab on the Caledonian Railway 0-6-0 No 828.
I found these two of 828's cab and footplate.
In this one below on the back of the cab roof are some hooks, I guess these were used to hang a sheet or tarp to provide some protection in bad weather.
Well RUTH I think another round please.
It's Thursday in New Zealand <according to my time-zone-converter> which means Allan is celebrating his Natal Day! So, let's give him something special from "Our" Place! Happy Birthday to our Resident Downunder Kiwi!
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Six Pack Special Number Thirteen
RR advertisements from the Classic Era
New Zealand Special!
(1) New Zealand Railways
(2) Easter by Rail
(3) Dunedin Sunshine Social Club
(4) Grasp Hand Rail
(5) Wonderful Wairakei
(6) Waitomo & Ruakuri Caves
Seems most appropriate to jump in here with some comments . . .
Page 6 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 8:21 AM: A most delightful summary of the Blue Bird's equipment. Luv'd it ‘n surely wish that I cudda taken a trip or three aboard each of those domes! Nicely done ‘n thanx!
Wabash surely lost some bucks with the building of that train, as it soon was to disappear from the tracks. How <sad>, eh They weren't the only road to suffer the consequences of government subsidies to highways, runways, waterways, etc., etc. Couple all of that with the reality that the railroads themselves were H-bent on divesting themselves of passenger rail - well we are living with the result. <barf>
I'd say the "loincloth" must be a reference to something the Mentor Village League of Decency has been pushing - let us NOT permit nakedness amongst the beasts of the world! Cover ‘em - cover ‘em! <uh oh> A job for Boris, fer sure, fer sure. <yikes>
Slaves to fashion - that included all of us at Rendezvous IV, with the exception of Eric. Did you notice how well "kempt" he always seemed to be <geesh> Probably expected to run into THAT brunette at any time . . . Hmmmmmm.
Topped off the wagon on the way back from the mega-hardware store <yardwork, dontchano!> 'n found the petrol at $3.46 <rounded> . . . "saved" five bucks from the last time I topped 'er off. Never know when one might need a FIVER, eh
We're still amazed 'n appreciative of the temps 'round these parts. Weather patterns are most untypical for August - but we'll take what we gets 'n like it!
Always appreciate the ROUND, quarters ‘n AM good humor!
Page 6 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 8:43 AM <10:43 AM ADT>: Back with Part Deux, eh We don't know how to "take" all of this resurgence in interest! But, we will take what we gets ‘n enjoy it!
Now to the heart of the matter - the information provided to you <via Rob> was strictly the way the RDCs were delivered to the individual railroads/railways. In other words, "stock" equipment. What the roads did with them later on is totally ‘nother matter. In fact, some railroads/railways regretted making mods in that the factory warranty was made void. Although I've read where Budd was tolerant with most - with the exception of RRs using them to TOW unpowered cars <box cars, etc.> Burning out the motors was a definite "no no" ‘n voided the warranty fer sure, fer sure. They weren't designed for towing . . . no matter what you read - that's FACT. <source: RDC - The Rail Diesel Car>
Now, "for the record" my inventory of RDCs goes like this:
4 RDCs on the Can-Am Railway Mountain Run <point-to-point> - 2 BC Rail - 2 VIA Rail.
4 RDCs on the mainlines <below> all VIA Rail.
These 8 are Proto 1000s with authentic numbering <as you know>.
In my Canadian Railway Display case are 2 more Protos - Dominion Atlantic.
In my Retired U.S. Railroad Display case are 6 Athearns - 2 in B&M markings ‘n 4 with NH.
Just "for the record," of course! <grin>
Many thanx for your return to the fold - at least we hope that's what it is!
Since I'm still here as I' always am (See what happens when you don't change out the burnt out light bulbs! Ya Never know what lurks in the shadows!! Pour me another Cup o the good stuff.
siberianmo wrote:Page 6 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 7:06 AM <9:06 AM ADT>: Two days in succession here at the Tavern by the Tracks after a hiatus of far too long. Hmmmmmmm. Chased off the MRR Forums, eh Better watch it - we're ALL being watched! <yikes>Nice to have you begin our daylite portion of the day with us . . . FINALLY some fotos from your great HO layout! Yes, we call this our OP-SHUN-UL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day <formerly: Pike Perspectives Day> ‘n now that Nick has seemingly disappeared from the Ether, it's nice to have someone else pitching in! Thanx . . .Never have regretted purchasing those two RDCs at your favorite hobby shop - even if YOU ganged up on me! Dominion Atlantic is just plain <sweet>! Since it appears as if you're really trying to redeem yourself ‘round here, I'll put away the <tweeter> ‘n accept your humble explanation. Which of course is at least 50% hogwash, since we KNOW where you've been! <yikes> Every sailor knows one cannot BS the BSer . . . <uh oh>
Page 6 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 7:06 AM <9:06 AM ADT>: Two days in succession here at the Tavern by the Tracks after a hiatus of far too long. Hmmmmmmm. Chased off the MRR Forums, eh Better watch it - we're ALL being watched! <yikes>
Nice to have you begin our daylite portion of the day with us . . .
FINALLY some fotos from your great HO layout! Yes, we call this our OP-SHUN-UL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day <formerly: Pike Perspectives Day> ‘n now that Nick has seemingly disappeared from the Ether, it's nice to have someone else pitching in! Thanx . . .
Never have regretted purchasing those two RDCs at your favorite hobby shop - even if YOU ganged up on me! Dominion Atlantic is just plain <sweet>!
Since it appears as if you're really trying to redeem yourself ‘round here, I'll put away the <tweeter> ‘n accept your humble explanation. Which of course is at least 50% hogwash, since we KNOW where you've been! <yikes> Every sailor knows one cannot BS the BSer . . . <uh oh>
I Nev-a get chased! misplaced perhaps, wear out the welcome perchance but never chased, just chastised!
JUst to keep the record straight I sir have 4 RDC's (Dad had two in his collection)
And Thank you for the answer to my question on horn and Prime movers However!!!!
After asking all this and to my Horror (And I just returned from the train room to check this out...) Yes all 4 models of my RDC do infact have a single horn on them (da da da daaa) But upon further research "Enter Diesel- Exit Steam by Ian Donaldson Shows a DAR (Dominion Atlantic Rwy) RDC with, wait for it... a 3 chime horn on it. Really!
Allan: Absolutely! She will be adorned in full "Cresent" Livery. I plan on giving her the full meal deal with a Tsunami Decoder, new can motor and gear train.
Anyway I'm going to hussle out to the garage again
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