G'day Gents!
A treat from across the pond on this Tuesday from Dan <DL-UK>!
Specific comments in my next round of acknowledgments . . .
And now, from the sub-basement archives room . . .
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #12
New York Central Railroad
Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag for the gang from Classic American Railroads:
<A form of this was initially Posted on 30 Sep 2005, Page 122 at "Our" Place I>
http://cs.trains.com/forums/129/991587/ShowPost.aspx
Passenger trains of note: Chicagoan (New York-Cleveland-Chicago) Chicago Mercury (Chicago-Detroit) Cincinnati Mercury (Cleveland-Cincinnati) Cleveland Mercury (Detroit-Cleveland) Cleveland Limited (New York-Cleveland) Commodore Vanderbilt (New York-Chicago) Detroiter (New York-Detroit) Detroit Mercury (Cleveland-Detroit) Empire State Express (New York-Buffalo) James Whitcomb Riley (Chicago-Cincinnati) Knickerbocker (New York-St. Louis) Lake Shore Limited (New York-Cleveland-Chicago) The Michigan (Chicago-Detroit) Motor City Special (Chicago-Detroit) New England States (Chicago-Cleveland-Boston) Ohio State Limited (New York-Cleveland-Cincinnati) Pacemaker (New York-Cleveland-Chicago) Southwestern Limited (New York-St. Louis) 20th Century Limited (New York Chicago) Twilight Limited (Chicago-Detroit) Wolverine (Chicago-Detroit-New York)
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Hello Tom and all in
Pint of Holden's Golden Glow for me please (Pete you were right about the name!)
Tom - enjoyed your schedule for the Super Continental. You're right about enjoying the ambience of the rail environment - that is what I like - people coming and going, things happening, bursts of activity and such and such - more on that later.
Rob - glad you appreciated the Vimy Ridge material - for me ‘Vimy' and ‘Dieppe' are 2 important words in the catalogue of Canadian action - but that is not to undermine the contribution in other areas of course - far from it!
CM3 - interesting to read that you found the NCB stuff useful - big employer round here once also with all the support equipment manufacturers etc in the area plus all the ancillary staff at their Regional HQ here - all gone now sadly. I have a pair of NCB steel toe capped Wellington Boots (do you guys use the phrase ‘Wellington Boot'? - fine quality - still use em - must be 15 years old now.
Allan - thanks for the Whitley Bay cinema memories!
Eric - nice selection of photos from here and there - enjoyed them. Free peanuts a luxury - things are not good!
Pete - look forward to details of your UK visit in the fullness of time. Would be good to check out the Holdens and the Bathams with more thoroughness!
Yes, look forward to hearing more about Ashford visit some time - I guess we are talking about Class 33 and 73, maybe some of he special SR DEMUs - I think Tom would be interested in them. No doubt some of the special narrow bodies stock constructed for the London - Hastings line that required a narrow body due to restricted clearances on this line.
Tom - check the pic on this site:
http://www.hastingsdiesels.co.uk/ashford/
Anyway - was going to say that Fradley Canal Junction was certainly and interesting place - it is busy with holiday boats now but over 50 years ago must have been a key location on the network as it is where the Coventry canal meets the Trent and Mersey canal - right at the heart of the UK canal system I guess.
Some modern day pics are here. The pub I went into is The Swan - and very good it was too.
http://www.staffordshire-photographs.co.uk/fradley_canal_junction.html
Anyway - whilst looking for it I got slightly lost near Fradley - finding myself in a confusing network of giant truck distribution depots and sheds - most very ugly and a blot on the landscape - however, then all of a sudden I found some large ‘hanger' style buildings and realised this must have been the site of a WW2 airfield of some sorts.
I looked this up later and it turns out this was RAF Lichfield, a bomber station and later bomber training airfield. The hangers were big enough for large bombers and I understand at one point it was also used by the USAAF (Flying Fortresses), and also a location for Commonwealth bomber crews.
Rob - esp I think you will be interested in this:
http://www.raf-lichfield.co.uk/home.htm
Some of the vast hangers can be seen in these pics from the 1970s
http://www.controltowers.co.uk/L/Lichfield.htm
Looks like the airfield closed as long ago as the late 1950s.
I got rather lost on a new confusingly laid out housing estate on part of the site - turns out some of the roads there were named after flying crew killed in an accident at the site (I think Australian Crew). It is good to see that commemorated.
Anyway - back to Paris:
2 major stations I did not have time to visit were Montparnasse (which serves West SW France - I left this out as it is a very modern building and design wise slightly boring - and Gare St Lazarre. A shame I did not have time to take in the later as it is more interesting - servicing suburban trains and Normandy services.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_Montparnasse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_Saint-Lazare
I did however have the opportunity to visit 2 others and I decided to head off to see them quite late one evening to get a sense of the night time action.
First of all Gare De Lyon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Lyon
As can be seen from the pics here this is an impressive and ornate building. I was there late Sunday eve so a lot of travellers were heading back to Paris - the station is now given over to TGV high speed services from south of France and it was impressive to see these pull in - some double deck units, others two units coupled together to double seating capacity - these trains were packed with people heading in to the city (it was about 11pm) and impressive to see them unload such high passenger numbers.
I checked out the famous Train Blue bar / restaurant to see if I could get a drink at this late hour but unfortunately they had stopped serving.
I then checked out the last of the 6 major terminus stations - Gare D'Austerlitz - which was actually rather run down - but despite that by far the most atmospheric of the places I visited. Really impressive. The overall roof certainly needs a wash and lick of paint but late that evening it was sea of human and rail activity.
The station serves SE France and Spain and I guess the scene was closest to what north American stations may have been like at night back in the classic era. All the trains were loco hauled so there was plenty of light engine activity - and a number of overnight departures (at least one with 15 plus carriages for Spain) were preparing for departure. Large queues of people waiting to board and get their sleeper berths allocated etc, as well as late evening departures (not overnight) down to places south of Paris.
Reading the entry here it seems some high speed services are to be transferred tot his station - so it will probably loose some of the atmosphere I enjoyed that night.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_d'Austerlitz
It is also possible to walk along the road beside the tracks which is at an elevated level for a good view over the tracks fanning from the station - that way I could watch activity at the head end and some of the departures pulling out, plus the associated shunting moves. It was all good stuff!
All the best to all
DL
Shane was "in" with his typical mornin' chat, quarters 'n ROUND! Fine way to begin the day, eh Youbetcha!
Continuing on with my 2005 Dallas trip are fotos from a most memorable day with Dick Watkins riding the rails . . .
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More to follow!
Tom
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Nice morning here today temperatures in the 50s and a bit of fog, but it's supposed to be warmer later on today. Gas is $3.89 here - highest price in the state, but there is no collusion.
Pete - In steam days, Broadway usually got a pair of K4s which was typical PRR practice. Thanks for the information on the coach - it was probably used in an employee train? Again a not uncommon practice over here as well.
Rob - The nasty stuff is supposed to be applied next week - if the weather permits - we will see. Anyway, we have a stand-down plan in place for whenever it starts. IO went out and read the MSDS for this material; my liver started falling out when I read some of the compounds involved and then we got to the PPE part of the sheet - yikes! It's worse than the punchbowl at the darts tournament! Let me know if you decide to venture down to Cass.
Also, a lovely picture of the open car. I remember riding old Connecticut Company open cars at Seashore back in the long ago; the Conn. Co. cars were bigger, of course.
I was watching the Olympics the other day and they were showing rowing. There were many cyclists in the background pacing the rowers. Brought to mind the old Harvard-Yale boat races when the New Haven ran special trains with bleacher-equipped cars so folks could pace the regatta events as they occurred. That would be something to model. Staufer's New Haven Power has pictures of them, IIRC.
Allan - No, he was an usher.
Eric - As a starting point, the Climax book sold for $67.95 when new. I got mine from Barnes and Noble for much less, even with shipping. Good hunting. BTW, Sunkist locomotive did not belong to them originally - at least I can't find it.
OSP - Texas fight! Great pictures of your trip to the Trans-Mississippi Department. They have an interesting collection of locomotives and cars as well as their RDC cars. I was impressed by the quality of the track and roadbed as well. Also, nice CN offering as well. Your comments re preservation were well taken. The big problem with the G motors in addition to the current distribution system which has changed over the years, is the fact that they were full of PCBs. We had some in our electrical installations as well and they cordoned off the place when they changed them out - truly nasty stuff. E mail rec'd and I will reply offline a bit later.
work safe
<IT Rail bus at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
It's THAT day at the Saloon by the Siding - the day AFTER Monday! <geesh> Best thing about this day is "Our" Place ‘n The Mentor Village Bakery case goodies along with a freshly ground ‘n brewed mugga Joe. And of course our <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts from the Menu Board.
Petrol has dropped BELOW the $3.40 (US) level up at "Collusion Corner." Still at least 2 bucks more than it should be ‘n to think many are "thankful." <geesh> <barf>
Weather report continues to be unbelievably good for this time of year in this part of the continent. Amazing, simply amazing. Saw a stat on the tube indicating that last year the average high temp for the 1st fifteen days of August was 97 (F) - this year it's 86 (F). We'll take it.
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Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Monday - August 18th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 9 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:49 AM: "In" with quarters for the Coal Scuttle <feeds Herr Wurlitzer> ‘n a ROUND for the boyz!
Belching smokestacks <cough> <hack> <wheeze> <sneeze> The good ole days, eh <grin> But the symbolism isn't lost!
We need to keep track of the answers provided to the questions <possibly repetitious> asked by one Sir Moderation. Seems to me he's flirting with a <tweeting> for a Rules Violation . . . <uh oh> But, nice of you to continue providing such in depth responses - helps with the ongoing ED-U-MAH-KAY-SHUN for the ilk at the bar! <grin>
Shootings, knife fights ‘n car thefts - I must be living in <la la> land by comparison. Last time I looked, the FBI stats had St. Louis as #1 in violent crime - so there! <grin> Fortunately, we don't live in St. Louis! <phew>
Talk of theatres in terms of employment brings to mind a brief stint I had as an usher at one of our local movie houses <The Ritz>. Was a blast . . . 55 cents an hour at that! <wow>
Good RR research "tips" . . .
Appreciate the visit, as always!
Page 9 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:27 AM: Mid-mornings are always better when our Manager is about the decks!
Sky hasn't been quite the same as we look to the north ‘n see that strange glow . . . Don't know if it has anything to do with YOUR FORMER gal, Queenie - but fer sure, something's going on up there in Mountain Village! <uh oh>
Nice spate o' Pix from our Resident Ontario Connection! Particularly liked the trolley with the fall splendor in the background!
That shot of the open-air trolley brought to mind this one from Rendzvous I:
Yeah, I know - same one. I recall Heather telling me that it was her favorite car as she was point out this ‘n that on our most memorable Saturday <our "extra day"> visit to the Halton County museum!
Oh yeah - Ruth has requested time away for a loooooooong weekend - told her she'd have to run it by you, but she began to tremble, so I approved it! What's going on Hmmmmmmm. Surely you wouldn't want to get on the "cross side" of the Larsman, wudja Anyway, she leaves on Thursday, returns for work on Tuesday . . . Cindy will work the bar <remember: she's mine, mine, mine 'n is not one of the hired hands!>
Appreciate the visit ‘n good cheer!
Page 8 - Dan <DL-UK> at 1:17 PM <7:17 PM GMT>: "In" with a directed Post for Sir Moderation . . . and a ROUND!
Page 8 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:08 PM: Yes, it was Winnie who made that comment . . . must've been his Brit-side, eh <grin>
So, Vito has begun sending out the renewal notices. Hmmmmmm - I'd pay that straight away if I were you . . . and call the Customer Disservice number for info on how to obtain back issues! Yeah - good luck! <yikes> <uh oh>
Speaking of Steel Rails to Victory - I'm expecting an Email from Nick any day regarding the forwarding of it to Shane . . .
It was a fine day in Dallas ‘n there's a bunch more fotos in the archives. Just have to sort ‘em out - but I'll provide a few more. Glad you liked ‘em!
You do realize that questions asked of Fergie are destined to the "heap" of unanswered queries, dontcha <geesh> By the time he gets back, who knows when we'll see him ‘round here . . . <triple geesh>
We've really "made out" this year with the watering of our lawn - although the past couple of weeks have been rather dry, the ground is still moist from the near-record rains we've had since early spring.
It would be good if you could meet up with Dan over in Merrie Olde . . . I'll "sanction" it as a semi-OH-FISH-UL Brit "Our" Place Rendezvous. But keep in mind the PRECEPTS - can ONLY be a bona fide Rendezvous if attendees are "Our" Place customers. That's why it'll have to be semi-OH-FISH-UL. <grin>
Many thanx for the visit, ROUND ‘n inclusive remarks!
Page 9 - Pete <pwolfe> at 6:54 PM: Turned the Page to 9 - but no hoopla these days. Just another Page en route a LOCKDOWN! <barf> And there's no evidence of any other Thread being singled out since we were "hit" at the end of July . . . Hmmmmmm.
Back with another foto - detailed description - a link ‘n a ROUND!
Fine looking foto of the train with such a splendid surrounding - white picket fence 'n brick tower! All in a manicured setting . . .
A coach with a working history from 1903-1967 is simply amazing. Fortunately it has been persevered - it deserved it!
Mention of a basket on a bike brought back memories of mine when I delivered newspapers . . .
The CN Super Continental traveled the route currently used by VIA Rail's Canadian . . . whereas the CP version, called The Canadian, used a bit more of a southerly route through what some believe is even more picturesque country in Alberta ‘n British Columbia. I've only experienced the VIA route ‘n think the scenery is splendid - simply splendid.
Good looking trams in that link, by the by!
Page 9 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:49 PM <4:49 PM Tuesday NZ time>: My original service number is etched in what's left of my grey matter - also my officer's signal number too. Our service did away with all of that back in the 70s when the system went to social security numbers. But you are oh so correct about things getting stuck in the mind. I still remember our first telephone number from the 40s - was a party line . . .
Simply amazing that things like that still reside up there - but where in bloody blazes are the car keys <grin>
It's a <censored> shame that so many aspects of our lives have gotten out of hand thanx to whoever is responsible for this thing called political correctness. That along with branding virtually everyone ‘n everything with the R-word, sorely ticks me off. <arrrrgggghhhhh> - Boris, a double belt in their OJ this AM! <phew>
Thanx for mentioning the rail bus atop the AM Acknowledgments . . . good to know these things are noticed!
From The Mentor Village Gazette: Projectionist Caught in Sproket
Charlie Brightlite, Emporium Theatre's Chief Projectionist ‘n pop corn vendor was found Sunday evening in a most compromising position. Unsubstantiated reports from The Mentor Village Life Squad ‘n Live Bait Farm suggest that Charlie, in the act of changing film reels "on the fly" somehow managed to catch a delicate part of his anatomy in a projector sprocket wheel . . . <continued on page 23>.
I do hope your subscription is current for the rest of the story! <grin>
Thanx for the visit, chat, good cheer ‘n ROUND!
Page 9 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:49 PM: If ever a guy was meant to be a sailor, I'd surely nominate you! You're a natural at things nautical . . . except of course in your choice of <ahem> certain traveling companions. <uh oh>
Yeah, when Dick departed the scene it kinda surprised everyone. I had communicated with him regularly right up ‘til the end - then gone-zo - zip, zero, zilch. He provided us with some very interesting insights ‘n stories. Even connected with us from Europe ‘n Africa if memory serves correctly . . . A most personable guy to spend a day with. The first guy from the bar that I met in person . . . You may be correct - retirement from his globe trotting career may very well have been the reason. Guess we'll never know. <groan>
Perhaps the only regrettable aspect of his tenure here was his unwillingness to engage in an inclusive manner . . . but, we've had a lot of that over the years - at least he engaged! Given the amount of material we were amassing back in those times, it was a chore to catch-up after a couple of days absence, let alone a few weeks. Hope all's well with him ‘n his. <clink>
Am I seeing a connection between our Manager ‘n Vito's Subscription Service ‘n Body Cast Shop Hmmmmmmm. <uh oh> Get one year for the price of two - such a deal! <yikes>
Many thanx for the cash for a ROUND on this day ‘n of course your visit ‘n fine chat!
Tuesday - August 19th:
Page 9 - Eric <EricX2000> at 1:57 AM <11:57 PM Monday Sandbox time>: Back to the NOCTURNAL ways out there in the desert, eh
Good view of your work area - pleased to know that you've mounted those Rendezvous plaques! Would hate to think they are gathering dust somewhere . . . <groan>
My slides do not contain even one train shot that I can recall - didn't do those things back then. All of a time in my previous life - long gone - over ‘n done. Nah, there's no one to pass them on to . . . I recall seeing an ad <many years ago> to turn in negatives ‘n slides for the silver content. That was back when the world was experiencing a dramatic rise in precious metal prices. Hmmmmmmm.
I'm pretty sure there isn't a place on Earth that is 100% safe ‘n secure. However, my way of looking at it is why tempt the fates Go with the averages - high crime areas are high crime areas no matter how one paints the picture. Before moving to this part of the county, I lived in an area that was rapidly going down hill in terms of security. People had started to put bars on basement windows ‘n doors. That was all I needed to begin the hunt to get the blazes outta there. And I was right - crime is outta sight in that area now. Just my two-cents.
Perhaps Rob can add more to the discussion, but the rail travel back then between eastern Canada ‘n western featured more than one named train. No, CN's Super Continental ran daily, according to my 1956 Official Guide of the Railways . . . their Continental was a daily run too. CP ran The Canadian and The Dominion on a daily basis as well.
As you know, the rail equipment manufactured back in the day was made to last - and last those RDCs have! I have a CD of the reworking of them up in Canada. They took ‘em down to the frame - yes, every part of the car was dismantled ‘n refurbished, including remanufacturing parts no longer available through "stock" sources. Simply amazing. At the TRE facility outside of Dallas are bins ‘n bins of gears, motors, etc. just sitting waiting to be used. They surely did it right. Probably gave those RDCs a new life, fer sure, fer sure.
Just as with the Pennsy GG1s, those Big Boys won't be up ‘n running ever again. I've read where in either case it's pretty much a done deal that all they'll be good for are static displays. <sad> With the Pennsy it's the electrical situation more than anything else, with the Big Boys just deterioration of parts no longer available, etc.
Many thanx for your < I3 > Post, good cheer ‘n fotos!
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, Monday night, that means it is time for my Sugar Cured Ham Sandwich with Fries!! Tuborg Gold, please!
I can tell it is getting close to my trip now. Too little time for everything that has to be done! I wonder why?
Allan – Yes, that guy ran away, but not far enough. The worst part is that he actually drove away! Pomona is a very interesting place to visit. 30 is a very good number, personally I stick to 27++ and I have done that since I was 27. Rob – This area, where I live, is ranked as a nice area but I would say it is slowly getting worse. Not bad, but a not so good area is less than a mile away, south of us. In a way we got the SUV back, my wife bought a similar one as replacement. Tom – There has been recent shootings (and car thefts and burglaries) in upscale areas in the Valley so I think one will never be 100 % safe. Hold it, you can’t just let your photos/slides get thrown away the day you are gone! I don’t know what kind of photos you have but I bet there are X number of very interesting ones! Both for your family and maybe even for some train buffs! You better warm up the scanner!Glad you liked the pictures!Two very good movies this week at the Emporium! I have seen Air Force One and I think (but I’m not sure) I have seen The Train as well, many years ago. But I’ll be glad to see them again!Thanks for the photos of the TRE RDC’s! It’s interesting that they bought pretty old RDC’s for their commuter service! I’m going to go back to your original trip report and read it.Canadian National Super Continental, I bet that was a nice train to ride for a few days! Twice a week?
Mail received. Thank you!Fergie – Thanks fort the info on the B&O S-1 and S-1a! I like the Big Boy photo I posted. As you mentioned, it shows the size of Big Boy very clearly. I didn’t think about it when I took the picture but I saw it when I checked it afterwards.Rob – Classic ships! Is any of those two still around? Thanks for the photos of the old streetcars! I like the Witt’s! I bet they sounded pretty good inside, when they were running. CM3 – It is sad when things like that happens. Knife fight doesn’t sound nice at all. Hope everyone survived (at least the victim(s). As you said, it’s something for the next Rendezvous! Not a drumhead, but a logo!? That makes sense! I’ve put “The Climax” on my list of books to look for! DL – Thanks for the round!Pete – Geez, you are in trouble with Vito! You better be careful! Yes, it would take a lot of money to get the Big Boy in running condition again. But it would be very interesting to see one back on the tracks! Why I am not surpised to hear that your lawn is staying green this year? Did you by chance get some rain this summer? Thanks for the info on R&H Hawthorne Leslie! Built 1914, will be 100 years pretty soon! The coach to me looks like late 1800’s, but I am sure your year, 1903, is correct. Allan – Our temperature is back to normal, which means around 105ËšF (41ËšC) this time of the year.
Just two photos tonight!
Rusty!
A place where I spend way too much time. I just noticed that I missed to include the plaques from Rendezvous II and III. The edge of the one from number II can barely be seen at the top right corner.
Eric
Good evening Leon , just when you thought you could close the door in came a customer Just a Keith's for me please , I'll leave some cash for a round for the before noon bunch.
Tom-Nice to see the CN material from the basement , and your Dallas trip from the deep sub basement Great shots of the TRE and all it's facilities.Too bad about Dick, he was a good customer for quite a while,I always thought it was odd the way he disapeared I guess retirement was too busy for him.
Pete-More wonderfull shots,I liked the Beamish link as well thanks for sharing. When 327 went back to Toronto for it's one day of festivities it was the star of the show ( it is at the museum at any rate ) but it was nice to have it back where it could really stretch it's legs so to speak.
From what I undersatnd the Niobe and it's sisiers were not great sea boats, and they were underpowered for their bulk.They were shrunk down versions of the two Powerfull class ships,layout was the same except for the weapons fit and the engines.
I see that you have found the problem with having Vito serve as the in bewteen guy on the MVG subscriptions,go for the two year rate ( the fine print for the single year rate will charge you for the two years anyway )
Dan-Nice to see you in this afternoon,I hope you can arrange to meet Pete.We all look forward to the next installment of the Paris adventure,
Allan-Glad you liked the photo's.Sounds like you are having a good winter,no terrible hurricanes or typhoons is a good thing.
Rob
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please!
Pete. Looking forward to Alan getting that Tanfield info back to you. I still remember our Co-op members` number, 1492, it`s amazing how numbers stick in your mind, like my old army service number, they are branded in the old memory banks forever. Those old delivery bike`s with the basket upfront must have been hard to ride in the winter. Nice repeat shot of the tank and clerestory roofed coach with the added history of the coach and a very nice link to the Beamish trams`.
Rob. Thank goodness we`ve only had two big winter storms over here, that`s up to now anyway? Couple of fine shots of those old cruiser`s that were the start of the RCN, and a nice set of trolley shots from your museum.
Fergie. Thank`s for that link to the B&O "Big Six".
CM3. It`s funny how thing`s used to stick in the memory when showing a movie for a week or more, was your Dad a projectionist as well?
Dan. Good to see you in on a quick visit.
Eric. Hope your temperatures` are getting back to their usual range now.
Tom. Nice looking photo of that railbus at the MOT, Kirkwood. A couple of good flicks` for the weekend, a suspense starring Harrison Ford, and a train flick with the inimitable Burt Lancaster. A fine spread of pix of your Dallas RDC trip with Dick and the link to your trip report on Page 80 in Aug 2005, and a very interesting write up on the CNR "Super Continental" with the time zones` in your "Our" Place Passenger Train Nostalgia. If someone impersonated Al Jolson over here these day`s they would be publicaly ostracised, notice that I did`nt use that dreaded word beginning with "C"!
See ya, Allan
Hi Tom and all.
A Holden's please LEON.
TOM Many thanks for the Passenger Train nostalgia on the Canadian National Super Continental. a train that traveled across 4 time zones. Looking at a map I am about the Ottawa and Toronto times.
I have found some info on the the locomotive and coach in the photo I posted Saturday, it does help to look at the right railway. I am sure now it is at Beamish Open Air Museum.
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The locomotive is a R&H Hawthorne Leslie 0-4-0 Saddle Tank built in 1914 Works number 3056. It was Lambton Hetton & Joicey Colliery No.14.
The Coach has an interresting history. Built in 1903 it is a North Eastern Railway Composite Clerestory. It was sold to the National Coal Board in 1949 and worked at Ashington Colliery until around 1967 when saved. It must have taken alot of hard work to get her in the condition in the photo.
In my notes I see I had a ride behing two tramcars at Beamish. One was a ex Gateshead tram No.10 and a tram from Oporto Portugal No. 196. I have a link to these cars and some photos I think Rob will like.
http://www.beamishcollections.com/search/default.asp
To get to the trams put Tram 10 in the search box in the link.(The link was too long going straight to the photos) clicking on the photo of No. 10 and 196 gives the details.
Well LEON another round please..
Pete,
Email sent to <GoR> this afternoon <Monday> . . .
And our Bar Chandler, Sir Moderation made it in <finally!> - but, it IS Monday after all, 'n we know how difficult it is for the Wolfman to recouperate from being away from the bar for sooooooo loooooong! <grin>
Time for something from the sub-basement archives . . .
More on the Canadian National Railways from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956
"Our" Place Passenger Train Nostalgia <not numbered>
<A form of this was initially Posted on 19 Sep 2005, Page 112 at "Our" Place I>
http://cs.trains.com/forums/112/991587/ShowPost.aspx
Canadian National Railways
Canadian National
Super Continental - Dieselized all the way
Faster daily service between
MONTREAL - OTTAWA - TORONTO - WINNIPEG - SASKATOON - EDMONTON - JASPER - VANCOUVER
No Extra Fare
Westward - Read down ..................................................Eastward - Read up
Example..........Daily ......................................................... Daily .........Example
Sunday............4 00 P.M. ..... Lv. Montreal ... E.T. .. Ar. ...5 05 P.M. .... Wednesday
Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Ar. Ottawa........E.T....Lv......3 05 P.M. .....Wednesday
Sunday............6 10 P.M. .... Lv Ottawa.........E.T. ..Ar. ....2 50 P.M. .... Wednesday
Sunday............6 00 P.M. .... Lv. Toronto.......E.T. ..Ar. .....2 15 P.M. ... Wednesday
Monday..........10 25 P.M. ....Ar. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Lv. .....8 20 A.M. ... Tuesday
Monday..........10 50 P.M. ... Lv. Winnipeg.....C.T. ..Ar. ....7:55 A.M. .... Tuesday
Tuesday......... 8 00 A.M. ... Ar. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Lv. ....8 50 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........8 10 A.M. ....Lv. Saskatoon....M.T. ..Ar. ....8 40 P.M. ... Monday
Tuesday..........3 10 P.M. ...Ar. Edmonton......M.T. ..Lv. ...1 50 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........3 25 P.M. ...Lv. Edmonton......M.T. ..Ar. ...1 35 P.M. .... Monday
Tuesday..........8:55 P.M. ...Ar. Jasper............P.T. ..Lv. ...8 15 A.M. .....Monday
Tuesday..........8 05 P.M. ...Lv. Jasper............P.T. ..Ar. .. 7 05 A.M. .....Monday
Wednesday....1 05 P.M. ....Ar. Vancouver .... P.T. ..Lv. .. 2 45 P.M. .... Sunday
Through deluxe coaches with reclining seats between Montreal and Toronto and Vancouver.
Parlor Car between Montreal and Ottawa only.
Dining Room Refreshment Lounge Car between Toronto and Winnipeg.
Coffee Shop Car between Toronto-Capreol.
............................... between Montreal-Vancouver (until May 31).
............................... between Winnipeg-Vancouver (first trip June 2).
Dining Car between Winnipeg and Vancouver.
Tourist Sleeping Cars between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Drawing room, compartment, double bedrooms, duplex roomette, lower and upper berth accommodation available in latest type standard sleepers between Montreal-Toronto and Vancouver.
Attractive lounge accommodation for standard sleeping car passengers.
NOTE: Perhaps our Canadian friends can elaborate on what appears to be discrepancies with the time zones. In current times, Saskatoon is on Central Time and Jasper is Mountain Time. Don't know why in 1956 the time zones were listed this way ... Perhaps the zone maps were different back then. Anyone know
Enjoy!
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
TOM Many thanks for the Fallen Flag on the KATY from the official guide to Railways from 1956. I noticed there was quite a price range for the dinner menu.
Yes I was lucky to get the Wooden Bridge to get those photos of 80098, and the sun was just right. Must admit though it was more by luck than good judgment.
Was it Winston Churchill who said, "We were different countries separated by a common language". Often when asked what beer you want the reply is "I'll try a so or so beer".
Just had my renewal notice for the Mentor Village Gazette from VITO. It said "You are cordially invited to renew your subscription or ELSE'. I got in touch with him and told him I had not received any of the MVG from my last subscription and VITO replied, " What's that got to do with it".
Two good films on at the Emporium this week, both I have seen but it will be good to see them again. The Train is a film is a good film to see again after reading the Steel Rails to Victory RR Relay book seeing the real wartime railways of France. Then, of course the Stooges, just wonder how that gorilla got in the other room.
It does indeed look a great day you had in Dallas. Reading the link to Our Place I it was a very full day with a lot of railway interest, it must have been great to have had the cab ride in the RDC. Many thanks for the great photos like the one with the 6 RDCS lined up outside the depot.
FERGIE Thanks for the remainder of the Keith's in the keg. Glad you liked the photos
I remember that article in Classic Trains thanks for the details on the ‘Big Sixes'. Did you put a bid in for that model of the great looking steamer on E-Bay.
ERIC Yes this year the lawns have stayed green, most years it is brown with clouds of dust when the lawns are being mowed.
Many thanks for the photos from Pomona, the Big boy does look in great condition as does the Southern Pacific SP-2 ad the Santa Fe # 3450, although I guess it would take a great deal of money to get the Big Boy in running condition again.
Glad you enjoyed the photos of the standard 2-6-4 tanks. They did sadly have short lives on BR but luckily quite a few were saved for preservation and are popular engines. The Severn Valley Railway had a Standard class 4-tank engine Gala when 6 of the locos were in steam and running trains a few years ago.
ALLAN I have sent the photos of Tanfield to Alan and he is going to find some details for me. He said the photo I posted Saturday is at Beamish and not Tanfield. I will have to have another look through my notes again.
My first job, while still at school, was too for the Co-Op. as a shelf stacker odd job and delivery boy on one of the old butcher bikes with the basket on the front. It was a good job and if I got a 6d tip it was great.
Glad you enjoyed the photos of the Standard tanks they were rare locos at Rugby when the tank engines there were ex LMS types wither LNER L1s on the Great Central line.
ROB Glad you enjoyed the photos.
It was two 35 mm cameras that met their end in the black bag. The digital camera I borrowed survived and it only took the bride 2 hours to re set it after the trip to Montreal I went on with Tom.
Many thanks for the photos of two of the first ships in the Canadian Navy. I wonder of the HMCS Niobe behaved in a rough sea.
Many thanks as well for the photos from your museum. Interesting to read the Grinding Car No. W25 is being converted back to a passenger car. No. 327 looks great and is attracting a lot of attention on her return to the streets of Toronto.
CM3 As I said to Allan, I'm afraid I got the wrong place in the photo of the industrial saddle tank and the old car, I have got Alan on the case and he is sure the photo was at Beamish.
I think given the choice I would have picked the PRR route to Chicago in steam days and hoped for a car near the engine. It still must have been a great trip with the GG1s and the E-8 Units.
Yes the NCB supplied my factory with good work building the large D.C. mine winders for them.
I though that was a good article on the Western Maryland with some great photos.
The film that seemed to be on all summer at our local cinema was the Sound of Music.
DL Great to see you in the bar. Sounds a good walk along the Trent and Mersey Canal. Was that Holden' brew called Golden Glow if it was I have had that and it is a great beer I thought. I have just had a look at their website and had not realized that had so many special brews, I will have to try a Night Train if I get the chance..
http://www.holdensbrewery.co.uk/index.asp?loc=home
I was talking to Alan this morning and will know more about my plans very soon. I will e-mail you about a get together when I am in England, which I would very much enjoy.
I shall look forward to more details about your Paris trip..
A round please RUTH while I have another look through my notebooks..
Pete
Hi Tom and all in
Not a proper post - mostly a message for Pete - but I'll leave a round for the house to make up for it. Pete - I went for a wlak alon the Trent and Mersey Canal on Sat starting at Fradley Jct - pub there for narrow boaters on the canal was selling Holden's seasonal brew I think (Golden Promise?) - great stuff. So I'll have a pint of that. Thought you'd want feedback on that brew!
Am I correct in thinking that you are planning a UK trip soon - if so do you want to e-mail me off site in case we can organsie soem sort of mini UK 'our place get together' - midlands based - if Da Boss will sanction such a thing of course!!
Back soon as I can with more Paris info and more comment on others posts, which I've just scanned through but noted all the regulars seem to have been in!
Regards to you all
A fair start to the work week here at the Saloon by the Siding as our WVA 'n Ontario Connections have dropped off their pick-us-ups! Good to see ya both.
Comments in my next round of acknowledgments . . .
A highlight of my rail travels is my 2005 trip to Dallas for perhaps the best single day I've experienced riding steel rails on steel wheels. Commuter rail trips - light rail ‘n trolleys were packed into a most memorable experience.
A former customer of "Our" Place, Dick Watkins, knew of my enthusiasm for Budd Rail Diesel Cars <RDCs>. In discussions at the bar and by Email, he offered to provide a tour of the Trinity Rail Express <TRE> facility west of Dallas along with a round trip aboard an RDC.
What is particularly noteworthy is the RDCs <13> operated by TRE are former VIA Rail units that were purchased by DART <Dallas Area Rapid Transit> for refurbishing in Montréal by Alstom/ANF in 1996 at their facility. I saw several of those units in Halifax during a Christmas visit in 1991, which were vestiges of the curtailed service to Yarmouth to the south and Sydney to the north.
I flew to Dallas for a one-day adventure that still "lives" in my memory as one hulluva day!
Many thanx to Dick ‘n I surely hope that all's well with our former Permanent Member of the<discontinued> Order of the Stools at "Our" Place!
The full trip report of my adventures was Posted on 18 Aug 2005 and may be found on Page 80 at "Our" Place I - click the link:
http://cs.trains.com/forums/80/991587/ShowPost.aspx#991587
<Note how the censor kept *** out D-I-C-K-s name! Also, fotos were provided on earlier Pages - scroll back OR wait for the ones to follow here!>
What follows in the coming days are fotos of my experiences on that most memorable day.
(1) Dallas bound TRE Bi-level arriving at Centrepoint Station from Ft. Worth
(2) TRE Bi-level at Centrepoint Station
(3) Trailing TRE F59PH at Centrepoint Station
(4) TRE RDCs approaching Centrepoint Station - 2 unit consist
(5) TRE RDC at Centrepoint
(6) Eastbound Dallas from the cab of TRE RDC #2011
(7) TRE Engineer Dave in cab of RDC #2011
(8) TRE Facility coming up - from the cab
(9) TRE rolling stock - from the cab
(10) TRE RDCs - from the cab
Morning Ruth , just my usual morning fare. A number three and some decent spiked coffee.
Tom-Did you see the ominous glow on the horrizon from the direction of the Mountain Villiage To make matters worse Boris said he thought it was pretty, which can't be a good thing.
Shane-Back in the saddle again eh hopefully this means that they've finished spraying your roof with all those awfull roofing chemicals.
We'll have to make another run to Cass at some point ,one can never get enough of wonderfull old geared locomotives doing their thing in their natural environment. I'm not sure if they do it anymore ,but at one point you could order prints of ships photo's from the RCN's website,if you are interested.
There is something about pre World War One warships, they just have that look that I've always loved ( belching smoke not withstanding ) Sounds like an interesting book that you have,one can only guess how many body parts it would cost to get one now.
Lets see Boris since you've got the critters sqaured away help yourself to that jar of PPF over there, it's a fresh new one, the packer has said that it's an improved brine , and that it has 50% more knuckles as well. Bon apetite
So a couple photo's to start the week off with.
One of the museum's earlier aquisitions. Old Toronto railway Company single truck semi convertible 1704 ( 1904 build ) seen here as Grinding car W25 which is how we aquired her in 1971,At the momnet she is stripped down to the frame and is ready to begin restoration to it's original semi open passenger car config ( as time and money permits )
One of our small Witt's 2786 climbing up the line westbound.
Our other operable small Witt 2894
The 2002 return to Toronto of Our Open Car 327
enjoy
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Cool weather here this a.m. but it is supposed to get warmer later today. Eyes are to the south at present - believe me, we do not need any more rain here for awhile!
Rob was in with comments. Shays are alive and well here at Cass, including western Maryland 6, the biggest of ‘em all. Niobe and Rainbow - excellent pictures. I must resurrect my copy of Conway's Guide to Fighting Ships from that period - I am sure they are in there. Anyway, a nice reminder of the days when belching smokestacks symbolized progress and power.
DL - I enjoyed reading the additional details about your trip.
Pete - The Tanfield picture was interesting. Can you tell us any more about the passenger car in the photo? It reminded me of 1860-era cars over here, only a bit fancier. The 2-6-4T is an interesting beast.
The "Water Level Route - You Can Sleep" was a long-running advertising slogan used by the New York Central. This was done to contrast their route to the PRR which went over the mountains. The Boston and Albany was the rugged section of the NYC, although the Central traversed some rough terrain in WV and parts of Pennsylvania as well.
New England Wolverine and Wolverine were separate trains, IIRC.
Almost forgot your Broadway question. Power was E8s and GG1s as we went from Chicago to New York. It was part of a circle trip which covered most of the eastern part of the country.
NCB - I remember them well as they had some good safety material which could be adapted to American concerns.
I imagine that your black bag would "eat" a laptop without even breaking a sweat.
Eric - Sounds as though you have been having fun in your neighborhood. We celebrated Y2K in a similar manner which involved a knife fight, police cars and K9-Units as well; IOW, something for everybody. There's a story for the next Rendezvous. At least your car is still there. Sunkist Climax is a nice piece of equipment. Let me call your attention to an excellent volume by Dennis B. Thompson, Richard Dunn, and Steve Hauff titled The Climax Locomotive. Hamilton, MT: Oso Publishing, 2002. They have produced a lot of good logging-related material over the years. It was pricey when it came out and I don't know if it is even still in print. Anyway, it's a good ‘un with a lot of fascinating material. I enjoyed your selection of steam pictures as well.
The Western Maryland item you asked about is a stylized rendition of their logo rather than a drumhead. The current issue of Classic Trains has some good pictures showing the logo as it was applied to locomotives. Re your question about phones on PRR trains - they go back to the 1950s at least - I'll have to check into it a little more.
Allan - My dad has a similar story about "Gone With the Wind" - it played forever in a theatre where he worked in Providence, RI. He mentioned awhile back where they actually showed the movie on Sunday (because of high demand) which was almost unheard of back then.
Fergie - B&O Big 6's were an excellent locomotive. Are you thinking of adding one to the roster?
OSP has been by with more PRR history and drumheads and some NYC historical material, and MKT as well as drumheads. When you and Pete make your next trip to the "Libury," go look at ICC reports from back yrs ago. They will give you the mileage figures that you need. Moody's Manual of Railroads ( I showed this to Pete when we were there) is another good place as well. Now I must get ready for new moom pichers. Good choices both.
Work safe
A smile to begin the week!
"A slipping gear could let your M203 grenade launcher fire when you least expect it. That would make you quite unpopular in what's left of your unit." - Army's magazine of preventive maintenance.
What's to say, other than it's Monday <again> <frown>! Soooooooo, you know the routine - coffee ‘n pastries are fresh! Menu items are ready for orderin' ....
REMINDERS:
RR Book Relay 2008 is presently in west Wales with Nick . . . next on the list is Shane in WVA , followed by Rob in Ontario then Allan in NZ!
Birthday Watch List: Next "up" is Rob on Sept 8th . . .
Sunday - August 17th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 8 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 9:52 AM <11:52 AM ADT>: FYI: Thou Shall Not Link Directly from a Web Source! <geesh> We don't need any HELP in getting under the skin of those running these Forums . . . we do quite well on our own! <geesh>
Soooooooo, seems to me that in your Saturday Post - you "gave" your Keg o' Keiths to Pete <which was nice of you> - BUT didn't order a thing at the bar! Now you KNOW that's a violation! <geesh> I think you just enjoy rattling the chains of the Proprietor. <triple geesh>
Enjoy your vacation . . . Lisa deserves it! <grin>
Page 8 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 8:39 PM: "In" for some admin work <minus the "ahem"> - chat - RCN memories - chat ‘n good cheer!
Long weekend coming up for Ruth . . . leaving Thursday, back to work on Tuesday.
Well good evening folks I'm enjoying the left over spiked java Fergie left behind <gad> you could remove paint with that hmmm an extra finger or four of CR should fix that right up As always Sunday night paperwork clearing time.What we need is an industrial sized shredder. No Boris Queenie is not going to come here to do it , the bars off limits to her <sheesh> You never should have flashed those pictures Tom , you know how easily swayed Boris can be, he'll be up to all hours now creating inflatables in the shed.
Tom-Two grrreat flicks love them both 5xshould make for a good week at the Emporium.The black eyes should build charactoer up there in the mountain villiage.I didn't htink that they had a constabulary as we know it up there.
Unfortunatly you are right about military,still here's hoping that it does change for the better and more people end up giving a patoot. Speaking of which 2010 is the 100th aniversary of the formation of the RCN,more useless trivia from moi but it's important to me.
The navy's first ship HMCS Niobe a Diadem class armoured cruiser,one of the few things to more or less survive the Halifax explosion in 1917,although she never again went to see after that.
The other ship that first formed our navy. HMCS Rainbow an Apollo class protected cruiser.
Both shots from my meger collection of old ships shots most ordered from the navy.
Fergie- Have a good trip sir hopefully the new steamer for the MESS isn't snapped up by someone else while you are away from civilization.
<Milwaukee Road Bi-Polar at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
"Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYs
Starting TODAY at the Mentor Village Emporium Theatre!
. . . August 17th thru 23rd: Air Force One <1998> Starring: Harrison Ford, Gary Oldman, Glenn Close, Wendy Crewson & Liesel Matthews - and - ENCORE Presentation of The Train <1964> Starring: Burt Lancaster, Paul Scofield, Jeanne Moreau, Suzanne Flon, Michel Simon. SHORT - The Three Stooges: Crime On Their Hands <1948>.
Air Force One <1998>
PLOT SUMMARY: You know that old dramatic principle of suspension of disbelief? You'll have to rely on it for this box-office smash, but you won't be disappointed. Harrison Ford plays a U.S. president who single-handedly employs his rigid antiterrorism policy when a band of Russian thugs hatch a mid-flight takeover of Air Force One. Gary Oldman, who chews the scenery as the lead terrorist, will shoot a hostage at the slightest provocation. Glenn Close plays the sternly pragmatic vice president who negotiates with Oldman from her Washington seat of power. If you can believe that the aircraft's pressurized cabin can sustain hundreds of rounds of machine-gun fire, you'll buy anything in this entertaining potboiler, especially thanks to Ford's stalwart heroics and some nifty special effects. Director Wolfgang Petersen (Das Boot) keeps the action moving so fast you won't be sweating the details. Don't forget your parachute! --Jeff Shannon
You know that old dramatic principle of suspension of disbelief? You'll have to rely on it for this box-office smash, but you won't be disappointed. Harrison Ford plays a U.S. president who single-handedly employs his rigid antiterrorism policy when a band of Russian thugs hatch a mid-flight takeover of Air Force One. Gary Oldman, who chews the scenery as the lead terrorist, will shoot a hostage at the slightest provocation. Glenn Close plays the sternly pragmatic vice president who negotiates with Oldman from her Washington seat of power. If you can believe that the aircraft's pressurized cabin can sustain hundreds of rounds of machine-gun fire, you'll buy anything in this entertaining potboiler, especially thanks to Ford's stalwart heroics and some nifty special effects. Director Wolfgang Petersen (Das Boot) keeps the action moving so fast you won't be sweating the details. Don't forget your parachute! --Jeff Shannon
The Train <1964>
PLOT SUMMARY: This tense 1964 action drama from John Frankenheimer (The Manchurian Candidate) stars Burt Lancaster as a member of the French Resistance trying to prevent Nazi looters from taking valuable art treasures out of the country. A great ride all the way with Frankenheimer at his inimitable best. This is a true human-scale action movie of the sort we used to think of before "action" meant blowing up asteroids in space. Kinetic but almost rueful in tone the films chases and fights are not just eye candy but rather encourage audience involvement in moral stakes. Crisp and serious performances all around from Lancaster and 1960s icons Paul Scofield and Jeanne Moreau.
This tense 1964 action drama from John Frankenheimer (The Manchurian Candidate) stars Burt Lancaster as a member of the French Resistance trying to prevent Nazi looters from taking valuable art treasures out of the country. A great ride all the way with Frankenheimer at his inimitable best. This is a true human-scale action movie of the sort we used to think of before "action" meant blowing up asteroids in space. Kinetic but almost rueful in tone the films chases and fights are not just eye candy but rather encourage audience involvement in moral stakes. Crisp and serious performances all around from Lancaster and 1960s icons Paul Scofield and Jeanne Moreau.
SHORT: Crime On Their Hands <1948>
PLOT SUMMARY: The Stooges are janitors at the Daily Gazette who get a hot tip about the stolen Punjab diamond. Hoping to become real reporters, the boys hurry to where Dapper and his gang are hiding. While questioning Dapper's beautiful moll, Shemp accidentally swallows the diamond thinking it was a mint. Fortunately a gorilla in the next room gets loose, and saves Shemp from being carved up by Dapper.
The Stooges are janitors at the Daily Gazette who get a hot tip about the stolen Punjab diamond. Hoping to become real reporters, the boys hurry to where Dapper and his gang are hiding. While questioning Dapper's beautiful moll, Shemp accidentally swallows the diamond thinking it was a mint. Fortunately a gorilla in the next room gets loose, and saves Shemp from being carved up by Dapper.
<from: threestooges.net>
Enjoy the weekend!
Good Morning Captain Tom and Crew!
Realizing this is Sunday and all I'll supply the Java and other Sundries as required. Yes I normally don't post on a Sunday, however as stated last night, We will be headed for Tatamagouche for the week and away from all electronics as of Tomorrow a.m.
So I thought i would clear up some busy~mess before departing
siberianmo wrote:Page 8 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 5:33 PM <7:33 PM ADT>: See the FIRST Post on Page 7! <exasperated>
Page 8 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 5:33 PM <7:33 PM ADT>: See the FIRST Post on Page 7! <exasperated>
I'm sorry Tom but...
" I thought I thawd a Tweeting Bird...
I DID, I DID!!"
Sorry Couldn't resist
Anyway
Allan, Eric and Rob to answer your questions
This is a B&O "Big Six" 2-10-2. There was an excellent story in the 2006 Summer edition of Classic Trains on these beasts! A total of 125 were built S1 and S1-a and had a Tractive Effort of 84,300 lbs and 64" Drivers.
Did a search on the internet last night and photos were scant to say the least.
Eric: Nice Photos, kinda puts the whole size thing in perspective. The 4-10-2 is a handsome one for sure. Yes I'm partial to 2-10-2's, 2-10-4's and 4-10-2's. If I do aquire this this 2-10-2 that will make 5 Sante Fe and 2 Texas wheel arrangement engines on the MESS
Anyway have a good week everyone if I don't post before I go.
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
Reminder: "Our" Place is CLOSED on SUNDAYs
<but go ahead ‘n slip your messages thru the mail slots on the doors!>
Yes, "Our" Place is CLOSED on this day meant for rest. But, we'll be back in full swing tomorrow at 6 AM <all time zones - don't ask how we do that!>
Saturday - August 16th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 8 - Pete <pwolfe> at 10:59 AM ‘n 2:57 PM: Two daylite Posts enabled me to respond accordingly thereby making Saturday a bit more interesting for those who take the time ‘n make the effort to check-in!
Having only known you for a few years, I can only imagine that description you provided of peddling your bike in order to ensure a good spot for a foto op of a passing train. Now that surely separates the fly doo-doo from the pepper <as has been said> - wouldn't be me, Mate - nope! I'm simply not a train enthusiast to that degree 'n doubt that the day will come when I'd want to do such a thing. However, your fotos are terrific 'n a result of a lot of caring about 'n for what you enjoy! It shows.
Another example of the differences in having the same language . . . for many in this country, trying something has a connotation of checking it out or experimenting. So to say you're going to "try" this or that, when it's been tried a few <zillion> times seems a bit of a contradiction. Fun with the language, eh It's YOUR language, Interim Governor General! But we've Americanized it . . . Anyway, how many "tries" does one need to settle in on Bathams or any other brand of brew Hmmmmm.
Your continuing contributions - including ROUNDS - are most appreciated 'n welcome!
Page 8 - Eric <EricX2000> at 7:03 PM <5:03 PM Sandbox time>: "In" with an earlier than usual visit!
Your Pomona fotos are <top drawer>! Really came out well in terms of clarity!
Moving to an environment where one's safety ‘n security is paramount shouldn't take a Lottery win! <geesh> And to think, there are places where gunshots ‘n car thefts are not taking place in residential areas. Hmmmmmm. Lottery, indeed! <yikes>
I wonder if that guy cudda outran a speeding bullet Hmmmmm. We used to hang people for stealing horses - why not cars Oh well, just my stone-cold-heart showing though . . . I just find it incredulous that we live in times where the villain gets more consideration than the victim. But so what! Some things need to be said . . . ‘n the bar is CLOSED anyway! <grin>
The Mentor Village Gazette used to be a quarterly "thing" at the bar. Today, the number of subscriptions determines publication . . .
Amtrak's Texas Eagle is a far cry from the Eagle of old . . . so, the routes back then for the Eagle ‘n Special were different from today.
Sorry to have to say this, but once I'm gone - so are the slides. What's the point in doing anything with ‘em if there's no one to appreciate ‘em Such is life in the fast lane.
Reality is we do NOT get "too much snow" - surely wish we did!
Many thanx for your early visit, inclusive Post, fotos ‘n ROUND!
Page 8 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:27 PM <4:27 PM Sunday NZ time>: Yes, you are correct - when we look at the pricing for this ‘n that "back in the day," it's easy to think in terms of today's money. When I started out in the service, I couldn't have afforded to eat in a dining car!
In today's society - speaking for the U.S. - an Al Jolson imitator wouldn't be received very well. And for good reason, methinks. ‘nuf said . . .
Your visit, chat ‘n ROUND are always a hi-lite of an evening at the bar!
Page 8 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:36 PM: And our Manager surprised us with a Saturday evening visit!
And may Queenie ‘n Mountain Man Mike live happily ever after! However, the Mountain Village Constabulary reports an increase in domestic violence calls since they got together . . . <uh oh>
Having an active armed force will always bring about a resurgence in interest of the military - military history included. But, you can bet you're in the minority in that regard, as are so many in my country.
Thanx for the visit, chat ‘n ROUND!
Good evening Leon,the usual round of Keith's if you don't mind.
Tom-Fine looking stuff from you today,neat info on the Katy and a vey fine spread of drumheads.Like Pete I do like the Wabash one's they just have the right "look" to them
I'm sure that our mutual friend is happy in Mike's arms ( well one of them,she was big but he's much bigger so they are a match made... well somewhere ) I'm sure that our gals ( H&H ) should be able to handle any shinanigans she may pose at this falls pt 3 of the grudge match.
I guess we are luckey in that there has been a real resergance in history and more importantly candain history the last ten or so years.Veterans affair's and the school boards have been pairing up Vets and kids quite successfully the last few years which has helped,that and the History Network has put out alot of really fine documentary material on both world wars and Korea
Pete-Loved the photo's,though I'm not a tank engine fan they just seem to be right at home in those photo's ( they look much nicer than the class 66's )
So let me get this straight,the black bag did away with two digital cameras,so it's a serial killer then Perhaps smoke signals then to keep in touch, since we obviously can't trust any high tech stuff to survive the "black death"
Fergie- A fine looking beastie,good luck on winning it I've had fair sucess with ebay both buying and selling,I don't make a long term habit of it though,but sometimes it's the only way to get stuff.Any luck with the other engine on getting some of your cash back
Eric-I'm not so sure that you live in the safest of area's,I think I'd rather take my chances with winter. Look at it this way though the fact you didn't get the SUV back may not be a bad thing concidering today's gas prices , mind you maybe it will show up now that gas is so expensive.
Great photo's from Pomona all great shots. Though I think that both Shay's and Climax's are now well onto the endangered species list.
Allan-Yes it's been an odd summer with all the rain oh well I know how to swim Glad you've enjoyed the colour I think Telus is just about everywhere now.
Rob. Good to hear those storms have passed over now. Enjoyed the colourful collection of diesel locos` you posted on the other thread, we have a Tellus here at home, not as big as that one though!
Pete. Lovely shot of the Tanfield Rly , that restored clerestory roofed carraige looks a beauty. My bride really enjoyed the Beamish tour, she brought back a photo of the old Stanley Co-op store they relocated there, used to go in to it BITD doing messages` for my Aunt who lived at Oxhill just out of Stanley. Will have a look on the net for that Dudley Black Country Living Museum. Some really fine pix of those BR 4MT tank locos`, they are one of the best looking tank locos` around.
Fergie. Hope you manage to find one of those "puppies" on E-Bay soon.
Eric. At least you frightened that guy away from your place. A fine set of pix from Pomona of the Big Boy, DDA40X, SP2 4-10-2 and SF Class3450 Hudson. 30 looks a very well rounded number to me.
Tom. One of my school mates used to do a good take off of Al Jolson , with the face make up, white gloves` and baggy suit he was very realistic. Fine Classic Drumheads` by the Dozen #8, a very colourful and varied collection, and also the Passenger RR Fallen Flag and Nostalgia on the MKT RR, had a double take at those cheap meal prices in the dining cars` in those days`, but I suppose the prices are all relative to the incomes` of that period of time.
Leon, you are working way too much! Yes, I feel sorry for you! No, just a cold Keith's, please!
As usual for Saturdays this Saturday turned out shorter than normal days! Never time enough to finish everything on my agenda.
Allan – That is good, forget those numbers, just remember something around 30 if someone is asking your age! I was not sure what that guy really was doing, but when I saw him use a small flash light to check the door on that car down the street I finally understood that he was going to break into it. So I went inside the house to get my cellphone and car keys. When I came back outside both the car and guy were gone! I had no clue which way he went. Rob – I think it is easier to find an operating Shay today than a Climax. It is just a feeling I have. Tom – Is the Gazette a daily paper? If so it must be pretty thick with at least 36 pages! I am sure Vito is the one behind it. We are going to relocate when I win the powerball! Since the shooting last year it has been very quiet in this area. But since I moved here in 92 we have had two of our cars stolen from the driveway. We got the truck back after two days, but Pam’s SUV disappeared for good. That was five years ago. I think I pass on your winters. It is impossible to love anything that cold (near zero). But thank you for the offer to look for a place. You are right, Pete’s black bag and a laptop would never get along. I think you better find the time to go through all your slides and scan anything that may be of interest! A nice collection of drumheads! But I don’t understand the one from Western Maryland! Fast Freight Line!? Did they have a drumhead on a freight train? I like Santa Fe’s San Diegan and Western Pacific’ Scenic Limited the best!MKT! I wonder if the Texas Special ran the same way back then as Texas Eagle today between St. Louis and San Antonio? Pete – As I said to Tom, too much snow in your part of the world. But I like all the green stuff in the summertime! It is green, not brown. That is nice. The screw coupling and the train line to connect is still the common type of couplers on all European locomotives and cars. Automatic couplers are found only on EMU’s and DMU’s and high speed trains. The heavy ore trains in Sweden have automatic couplers. Thanks for the info on Totnes and the GWR tank locos! Pomona is indeed worth a visit. Their Big Boy is supposed to be the one in best shape of all the preserved ones. Here are some photos from Pomona.
Big Boy #4014.
UP class DDA40X #6915.
Southern Pacific Class SP-2 #5021, 4-10-2.
Santa Fe, Class 3450, #3450, 4-6-4 Hudson. Nice photos of the 4MT locos! I understand they did not get that old before they were retired. I’m glad they preserved several of them! They look very much like Class S locos in Sweden, also with 2-6-4 wheel arrangement. I have a model of a class Sb. Fergie – A very impressive locomotive in your photo! Do you have info on it? Round for the house! Eric
Good Evening Captain Tom and Crew~
Was lloking at one of these puppies on E-bay today
There was quite a write up on these in "Classic Trains" a year or two ago. Very impressive and very capable!
Re: TWEETING! Mmmmm
Tom... Need I say more
Peter: More Picks! Thank you. You'll have to have the remainder of the Keg there my friend as the War Department and I are off to Tatagamouche for the Week and will not be able to imbibe here.
Anyway I must as always... Run!
Later All
Pete's been back with some fine fotos! Specific comments in my next round of acknowledgments - but do appreciate your two-fer on this Saturday! As has been the practice - it's just us-uns in daylite ‘round here on Saturdays . . . <geesh>
Anyway, here's one from my sub-basement archives - NOT seen for a long, long time . .
PASSENGER RR FALLEN FLAG & NOSTALGIA <not numbered>
<A form of this was initiall Posted on 16 Sep 2005, Page 110 at "Our" Place I>
Here's another Passenger RR Fallen Flag from The Official Guide of the Railways - Aug 1956:
Enjoy! Tom
Time for a Bathams please CINDY to celebate another win by the Mighty Shrews.
TOM It is indeed pleasant outside today really great for mid August.
Many thanks for the great selection of Classic Drumheads by the Dozen. I must admit I do like the design the Wabash had and I think the City of Kansas City is another winnner. I have to ask about the UP Old Timers Special, I wonder if it referred to the locomotive hauling the train or the passengers.
On the tank engine theme, I have some photos of the largest of the BR Standard tank engines the 4MT 2-6-4s designed at Brighton and introduced in 1951.In my view these were a handsome class of loco and luckily quite a few of them found their way to Barry Scrapyard and were saved for preservation..
In the first photo I was on a tour from Leicester to London which traveled via Oakham, the Welland Viaduct, Bedford and on to the West Coast Main line at Bletchley where the photo was taken. The locos Nos. 80079 and 80098 had come off the train and was heading to take water.
Another trip behind a Standard 4 tank was a tour from Derby to Skegness and back, this time with No 80080. I think DL will know the location of this photo, near the site of Trent station heading for Derby.
By a coincedence most of the Standard 4s saved worked there early career on the London Tilbury & Southend line until this was electrified.The locos then moved to the ex Great Western sheds in Mid Wales and the North Wales border. The singer Joe Brown used to fire these locomotives when he worked off Plaistow shed in London.
I had gotten word that No 80098 was working through my home town of Rugby.. She and her support coach was heading for the London area where she was to work some specials.
80098 came through a bit earlier than expected but I just caught her as she approached the signal in the photo. One of the support crew took some video of me peddling furiously on my cycle.. As can be seen the signal changed to amber just has I got the photo. In the background is the flyover carring the up Coventry line over the Trent Valley line.
I believe Britain has won some gold medals in the Olympic Cycling events, that day I could have made the team. Getting to the Wooden Bridge before the loco which includes a short but steep hill(OK 80098 MAY have been stopped at the signal after the one in the previous photo). The loco is passing a class 60 diesel electric.
In steam days the yards were bigger and the area to the left was full of tracks
The Wooden Bridge was demolished to accomodate the extensive track work that has been going on in Rugby. It will be replaced when the work is completed. The loco on the right is a EWS, GM London Ontario built class 66.
Looking the other, south, side of the bridge 80098 is heading for Rugby station and passing part of the ex BTH works which as this time was owned by Alstom and was where I worked.
Hope you like these and a round please CINDY.
Pete.
A super fine day here in mid-continent USA where the skies are friendly, temps tolerable ‘n precip zero! Got some work done outdoors ‘n now it's time to relax <nearly 2 PM at "typing time" . . . Juneau is in bliss when outside - just loves lying in the shade watching "his people" work . . . <grin>
If not for Pete, this Post would be awaiting a customer. It's "You Post, I Post" ‘round the Saloon by the Siding . . . no more back to backs, except for those special occasions! <grin>
So, here's a selection not seen at any of our bars . . .
Now Arriving on Track #2
Classic Drumheads by the Dozen - #8
(1) SP&S- Empire Builder
(2) UP- Old Timers Special
(3) Wabash - City of Kansas City
(4) WM - Fast Freight Line
(5) WP - Scenic Ltd
(6) ACL - Florida Special
(7) ATSF - San Diegan
(8) B&O - Shenandoah
(9) B&M - Bar Harbor Express
(10) Burlington Route - California Zephyr
(11) CP - The Canadian/CP Rail
(12) CN - Ocean Ltd
A cup of coffee and a bacon sarnie please CINDY.
ERIC Glad your car survived the attention of that felon, as Tom says come and live here in Mo.
Thanks for the info on the couplers on the X2000.The automatic couplers are a far cry from the old days when some one had to get down on the tracks, put a screw coupling on, tighten it and connect all the pipes.
Glad you like the photos. I too was surprised that the 0-6-2 arrangement was as popular as it was. A lot of the South Wales lines had the arrangement and the Great Western built more when those lines became part of the GWR at the Grouping. I would have thought a 0-8-0 tank would have been better. The wheel arrangement was popular as well with companies that became part of the LNER. The Great Eastern and the Great Northern lines of the LNER used 0-6-2 Tanks for their commuter trains into London.
Totnes is in Devon on the Great Western Main line to the West Country between Newton Abbot and Plymouth. The town is on the River Dart and at the bottom of two steep climbs with Dainton Summit to the east and Wrangaton Summit to the west. Totnes is the junction for the preserved line to Buckfastleigh, although the trains off the preserved line do not use the BR station nowadays, the junction as been used for the occasional special onto the line.
Many thanks for the photos, details and link to the Southern California Chapter of the R&LHS. They have some great locomotives, including a Big Boy and a UP Centennial diesel.. I would dearly love to visit Pomona one day. The Climax looks an interesting locomotive and I would have thought that Santa Fe # 590 would have been a rough riding loco at any sort of speed with the long overhang, but as it was used for switching it would not have mattered.
ALLAN Glad you enjoyed the GWR photos. I am hoping to get some details on the Tanfield Railway locomotives so I will post them when I get the info.
On the Tanfield Railway at Andrew's House station, I believe. Love the old carriage
It has been quite a few years now since I was last at Beamish and I dare say it has changed now and well worth another visit, I'm sure your bride had a great visit. There is a very similar museum near Dudley in the West Midlands called the Black Country Living Museum, although I don't think they have steam locos.
ROB Thanks for the kind words on the photos. Yes the black bag seems to take an instant dislike to any thing technical being put in it. It has done in two cameras I'm sure a laptop would be no problem for it.
A pleasant day with good sunshine, but not too hot, although it was forecast for heavy rain today earlier in the week.
It looks like Mountain Man Mike's gain is your and Tom's loss.
TOM Yes I do like the sight of a loco taking water from an original water tower or column. The type in the photo of 5224 was known of the ‘parachute' type. On the ex Great Central at Rugby there was one of this type at the south end of the station, at the north end was a column type. Just visible behind the pillar of the water tower in the photo is the pipe from the ‘Fire Devil', a stove used to keep the tower from freezing in cold weather. They were great to get near while watching trains when on a station in winter.
We certainly see all sorts of weather here in Mid-Mo. In Scotland they say, "If you don't like the weather, hang around for half an hour and it will change".
When I get to England, I will have to try a Bathams then a Holdens then a Bathams then a Holdens then, I think you get the idea, all with moderation, to keep in with my elevation to Sir.
Back in a bit after I have loaded some photos..
<CB&Q Zepher at MoT, Kirkwood, MO - personal foto>
Saturday at the Saloon by the Siding ‘n time for a kick-back breakfast. No hurry - no rush, just enjoy our <light> or <traditional> breakfasts, fresh coffee ‘n pastries!
Friday - August 15th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 7 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:14 PM: Back as promised with a fine spate of fotos w/narratives of course! My favorite is the water tower shot!
Appears this "moderation" thing has caught on - so now, you'll have another "title" - Sir Moderation! Yeah, tell it to the moon - I've been WITH you enuf times to KNOW the rest of the story! <uh oh>
Every part of the country I've lived in has had its peculiarities regarding weather patterns. From New England to Alaska to Virginia - to California - to New York to Missouri to . . . there's a bit of something for every liking. But ‘round here, well - strap yourself on for a wild ride. This summer has surely been something else, not to mention the monsoons of spring. <geesh>
A footnote: I see you are still "trying" a Bathams. When do you suppose you'll make up your mind <grin>
Appreciate the repeat call, fotos, good cheer ‘n ROUND!
Page 7 - Eric <EricX2000> at 6:32 PM <4:32 PM Sandbox time>: An earlier than usual visit from our Resident Desert Swede - aka: The Sandman!
The Mentor Village Gazette was somewhat of a regular feature at "Our" Place I, back when we had numbers to justify the time ‘n effort put into it. Why, we even had Nick ‘n Rob 'n Shane provide input for our columnists. Yeah, it was a fun thing, but when the interest seemed to wane along with our numbers, well it was back to the drawing board. Now the Gazette is a "By <buy> subscription only" periodical. Still out there, but rather hard to come by . . . sorta like that Brunette of YOURS! <grin>
Sounds like the excitement in your area never seems to abate. Not that long ago it was gun shots - then fires - now someone trying to steal one of your cars. <geesh> Perhaps you should consider relocation! How about HERE You'd luv our winters - lots of temps near the zero <F> mark not to mention ICE. Snow Well, we've really not had a decent winter in decades, in my OH-PIN-YUN, although last year we had 3 "fair" snow falls, but not the waist deep stuff that I'd luv to see again. Anyway, let me know ‘n we'll start looking for a place for you ‘n your bride! <grin>
Yeah, we can fuhgedaboud Pete ever getting a laptop. The man won't budge ‘n of course when it comes to that black bag, well we KNOW the rest of that story! <grin>
I've been retired a long time - my 35 mm slides are sitting in their carousels ‘n I've NOT taken the time nor made the effort to scan a one - nary a one. So, don't get your hopes up, Mate! Other things come along to fill the voids in time once you are retired - you'll find out. <grin>
That's SIR Moderation - be careful! <grin>
Two most interesting fotos of those "toy like" steamers!
Many thanx for your fine inclusive Post ‘n good cheer!
Page 7 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:33 PM <4:33 PM Saturday NZ time>: Our Resident Downunder Kiwi arrived on scene with typical good cheer ‘n conversation!
Being the exception to the rule, I think it's kinda "neat" to rack up the numbers. Having lived all or part of 8 decades has it's merits. But, I concur that it does boggle the mind a bit when thinking of the many, many experiences in those chapters of life . . .
Al Jolson! Now there's a name from way back when . . . I must admit that his music didn't really "do it" for me - but I surely recall it. We had stage shows in between the double features on Sundays at one of our local theatres <The Ritz> ‘n it seems like there was always one guy who would perform a Jolson hit . . . Vaudeville days were coming to a close as I was coming up . . . good memories in better times following WWII!
Pleasant visit, good cheer ‘n a ROUND of Tui!
Page 7 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:50 PM: Yes, a most equitable solution to the situation involving YOUR gal <Queenie> ‘n YOU! <grin> What a "thing" to place upon the broad shoulders of Mountain Man Mike . . . methinks we've not heard the end of this, especially with the fall resumption of our Dart's Challenge ‘n Grudge Match III. <uh oh>
Eavesdropping your Post brought to mind something you made mention of regarding history - if you think it is sad that many don't have a clue with regard to a 91 year old event - how about those who are equally clueless regarding WWII One doesn't have to live in the past to appreciate it.
Visit, chat ‘n ROUND most welcome!
Reminder: Cindy has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Good evening Leon , just a cold Keith's for me,and a round for the gang as well if you don't mind.
Tom-Great info on the NYC maned trains good stuff to keep the <GOR> informed Oh and as I said before I lost her to Mike up there in the Mountains,she's his problem now ( an elegant solution for the both of us )Besides. CSIS and Boarder guards up told her she's personna non grata due to her need to cling to the side of trains. Vito's bankers do the whole money thing quite well they keep themselves ready for anything,you may evenitually find that they will give you a good deal on your "reb bucks "
Nice to see the gang answer the bell today as well
Pete-Some fine looking tank loco's and steam switchers sir I don't think I want to see you with a laptop,I'm sure it wouldn't get along with the black bag anyway.Your welcome,enjoy the weather while you have it.
Dan-Good to see you in with a "two fer" thnaks for the link we have both spent sometime navigating it Yes Vimy is a very important part of Canadian Military History.There are not many in this country who couldn't tell you it's story even now 91 years on.Interesting to see that parts of Europe (Germany) are still going with the sleeper trains.
Eric-Nice couple of photo's loved the Climax
Allan-Yes the storms have subsided ( for now ) it's been a very wet summer this year.The ducks I'm sure are enjoying it. still it will bring all the lake levels back up so in the long run it's a good thing.
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