Hello again Leon , lets have another round of beer for the house.
Pete-great photo's sir , love the shot of Pikes Peak and that wonderfull 191 it is indeed nice to see a locomotive with that kind of history preserved.
Lets see a couple more photo's from the archieves.
A CP M630 at the Aberdeen shops in Hamilton
Another CP M630 on a train heading through Galt Ontario
One of the CP MLW's that was turned into a motorless power car for the "hot" outand back conatiner trains.
A couple shots of one of the few "steamers" left plying their trade on the Great Lakes P&H's flagship Mapleglen photoed downbound in the Welland Canal approaching Lock one.
CN RS18 in the Windsor ON yards 1989
enjoy.
Rob
Good afternoon Leon , I'm in ducking thunder storms so this may be a brief appearance. No boris I have not been apprenticed to David Copperfield and no I don't want to see your bunny in tha hat trick either Now run before I make your jars of PPF vanish. So any way Leon a glass of guiness would be grand and I'll leave a few extra "bob' for a round for the regulars.
Tom-Yes I suppose a bright red pirate ship wouldn't be the first choice of the ideal mode of transport,still even at your advanced years I'm sure that you and Fergie could make some memerable memories in port
Great looking Budd car and GG1 bits from the sub basement , your two big loves in the RR world great pics and great commentary as always.es the cost of asbestos and PCB removal is a big oproblem with the GG1's and for would be steam loco restorers ( asbestos )Makes the operable one's ( steam ) that are out there all the more important.Just can't seem to get enough of the Sante Fe drumheads either, not an RR I've ever really liked or wanted to model , but the passenger service and it's histroy is just really neat.
Even with the absences it looks as though we shall overcome <clink> a toast to the <GOR> that keep the decks humming.
Pete- As always some keen observations, and photo's to keep the machinery turning round here. ( No Boris he's not going to make any suassages put the road kill away )Thnaks for understanding the work issues,put humans together and problems will sometimes crop up
As always some great photo's for us all to digest,loved the mini live steam and the rest I think it may cost you alot of "tweetings" should all 65 of those names get posted,I saw Tom polishing the large "tweeter" just in case it's use should be required.<uh oh >
Shane-Nice to see you in your normal slot , even if it's just a couple days of reprieve from the onslaught of the roofers and their chemicals
Eric-An interesting photo, happy landings,you seem to be racking up the frequent flier miles but still it's great to see you pop in again while your away
Hi Tom and all.
Time for a Bathams please RUTH on this quite humid day.
TOM Yes I think you are right about the 'viewers' but I guess I live in hope.
Many thanks for the Santa Fe Fallen Flag. The SF must have had the most well known diesel locomotives in the 1950s, certainly in the UK, with the Warbonnet livery appearing on the covers of many railway books I reacall. I used to see a few newish looking diesels in a form of that livery when in Kansas City, but I don't think BNSF has any new locomtives painted in that scheme recently, hopefully I am wrong.
Enjoyed the stylish Drumheads many using the 'Chiefs' name train theme.All good but I think my favorite is the Kansas City Chief one
I see the SF lost just under 4,000 miles of track in the 45 years up to 1995, I bet nowadays BNSF wish some of that trackage existed today with the upturn in frieght traffic.
I have a mixed bag of photos taken in America.
The hall in Kansas City Union Station.
The summit of Pike's Peak Colorado.
On the very scenic Durango & Silverton Railroad.
Looked up this next locomotive and it has had an interesting history. 2-8-0 # 191 at the Colorado Railway Museum was built by Baldwin in 1880 as Denver South Park & Pacific #51.After a few owners she was sold to Thunder Lake Lumber Co. as their #7 in 1905.The site said # 191 is the oldest authentic Colorado locomotive preserved
Well RUTH a round pleaseand the Fish 'N' Chips .
Pete.
G'day Gents!
Sir Moderation has made it "in" with some chat 'n good cheer! Comments in my next round of acknowledgments!
But let me say this: we need to stop conjecturing over those who don't as opposed to those who do. It's kinda like walking along a street 'n you say "G'day" to someone who DOESN'T respond. Gotta just let it go - ignorance may be bliss, but it can eatchaup if on the other end of it! <grin>
The Passenger Railroad Fallen Flags of "Our" Place #14 Santa Fe - Passenger operations (AT&SF)
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Caveat: The information provided is NOT all inclusive and is reflective only of the periods mentioned.
Santa Fe (AT&SF)
Passenger trains of note: Super Chief (Chicago-Los Angeles) El Capitan (Chicago-Los Angeles) The Chief (Chicago-Los Angeles Grand Canyon (Chicago-Los Angeles The Scout (Chicago-Los Angeles) San Francisco Chief (Chicago-San Francisco, CA) Texas Chief (Chicago-Houston) San Diegan (Los Angeles-San Diego Tulsan (Kansas City-Tulsa) Chicagoan (Dallas-Kansas City-Chicago) Golden Gate (Los Angeles-San Francisco)
Drumheads
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Enjoy! Tom
The usual Coffee and Bacon Sarnie please RUTH
TOM Many thanks for the BUDD advert from 1950, certainly a good product seeing as they are still working especially as we a have seen from your recent photos of the TRE in Dallas.
I see the RD1s carried 90 passengers a good size for the rural lines, I guess the RDCs kept a few branch carrying passengers for a few years longer that they would have done. Enjoyed the photos.
Yes we are certainly going to miss those on holiday at the bar. There must be at least one or two who view us regularly if only one of them popped in and said hello it would help.
I recall reading about the TT gauge in your post at the time TT came out I think it was advertised quite heavily.
Glad you enjoyed the photos.
Many thanks as well for the Feature Locomotive the classic GG1s. Looking at the post I noticed this time, the rather long period the GG1s were built from 1934 to 1943. There could not have been many electric locomotives that could run at 100MPH before the GG1s.
For many classes of locomotive the crash at Washington Union Station would have meant the loco would be scrapped but I see no only was #4876 put back into service it was preserved as well.
Great photos of the GG1s the livery chosen by the PRR really suited them, it is great how the colors, especially of the freight locos, seem to change depending on the lighting conditions when the photos were taken, much like the blue on the LNER A4s.
ERIC Good to see you in the bar. Sorry it as been rainy there, I will look forward the your photos of the old railroad station and the steam locomotive you found.
Many thanks for the photo from 1980; I noticed what I guess is a sort of derailer (or catch point as they are known on BR) protecting the single line junction. I guess the road wound be set for the trap with the signal on red.
Yes there was a brunette in the bar the other night asking about you.
CM3 Glad you are having a bit of a respite from the roofers.
Thanks for the information on the Pennsy I 1s 2-10-0s,I wonder if some of them or locomotives of a similar design were sold to Germany after WWI.
I suppose the C&O were one of the first railroads to use welded rail, hence mentioning the smooth ride in their advert. It is another thing that disappeared from the railways almost unnoticed the old clackity clack of the rail joints. To think in the old days it was a way for railfans to time the speed of trains, nowadays it can be done by satellite.
Glad you enjoyed the photos and the bus garage memory. I saw something the other day that brought a wry smile to me "Change is inevitable, apart from a vending machine".
I found this photo of a class 56 locomotive No 56080, which is named Selby Coalfield. For a while BR sectorized their freight divisions and this locomotive was in the ‘Coal Sector' with the Black Diamonds logo of the sector on the side. Below the cab window is the Depot Plate. The twin cooling towers signify that the 56 was allocated to Toton Depot in the East Midlands of England.
The Selby Coalfield opened in the 1970s was suppose to last for many years but all the mines are now closed perhaps you might like this link to it.
http://www.minersadvice.co.uk/yourview23_dust_to_dust.htm
Another coffee please RUTH hope to be back a bit later.
A "normal" morning <finally> with the return of Shane from his retreat from the people-eating-roofers <PER>! <uh oh> Good to have you back with us - but the "warning" for next week doesn't bode well for the bar - holiday Monday followed by perhaps another absence on Tuesday. <groan> BUT, we'll be happy with whatever you're able to muster up!
And so, let's see what's in the sub-basement archives room . . .
Featured Locomotives #1 PRR GG1
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Used with permission from: Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Formatting differences made necessary due to Forums requirements. Some heralds and logos from other sources. Amtrak #928, a former PRR GG1, speeds through North Elizabeth, New Jersey in December, 1975 Built by: Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR), Altoona, PA Power type: Electric Build date: 1934 - 1943 Total production: 139 AAR wheel arr: 2-C+C-2 Gauge: 4 ft 8½ in (1435 mm) Length: 79 ft 6 in (24.23 m) Total weight: 477,000 lb (216,000 kg) Electric system: 11,000 V AC, 25 Hz Collection method: dual pantograph Engine type: quill drive Top speed: 100 mph (160 km/h) (passenger) 90 mph (144 km/h) (freight) Power output: 4,920 hp (3,660 kW) Tractive effort: 70,700 lbf (314 kN) Career: Pennsylvania Railroad, Penn Central, Amtrak Class: GG1 Locale: Northeast United States Disposition: most scrapped, several preserved in static display around the U.S. The Pennsylvania Railroad's GG1 class of electric locomotives were built between 1934 to 1943 at the PRR shops in Altoona, Pennsylvania, with a total of 139 units constructed. They remained in service with the PRR's successors until the early 1980s. The GG1 became one of the most recognized and famous classes of locomotive worldwide. Technical information The GG1s were large locomotives, 79 ft 6 in (24.23 m) long and weighing 477,000 lb (216,000 kg). The main body was a single unit formed as a bridge-truss framework and clad in welded steel plate. The driving cabs were set up high about a third of the way along the locomotive from each end for greater crew safety in an accident. A narrower section of nose in front of the cab windows enabled view forward, although the nose remained full height to carry the current-collection pantographs. The bodywork as a whole was smoothly rounded. This was mounted upon two great cast steel locomotive frames linked by a hinge at the locomotive's middle which allowed side-to-side movement. Six driving wheels (three axles) were fitted towards the center of the locomotive on each truck (twelve in total) and a four-wheeled, unpowered guiding truck was mounted toward each end. In the Whyte notation for steam locomotives, each frame comprised a 4-6-0 locomotive; in the PRR's classification system, 4-6-0s were class "G". The GG1 consisted of two such locomotive frames mounted back to back, so it was classified GG-4-6-0+0-6-4. This arrangement is called 2-C+C-2 in AAR wheel arrangement notation. Each driven axle was powered by two 410 hp (305 kW) GEA-627-A1 traction motors mounted above and to either side of the axle. Drive was through a reduction gear and a quill drive assembly. While the famous industrial designer Raymond Loewy did not design the shape of the GG1 electric locomotives, he did improve their looks by recommending a smooth welded construction be used (rather than riveted construction), along with a pinstriped paint scheme to highlight their smoothly rounded forms.
Penn Central #4801 and #4800 haul freight through North Elizabeth, New Jersey in December of 1975. The GG1 was designed to run on the standard Pennsylvania Railroad catenary power of 11,000 V AC, 25 Hz. This high voltage was stepped down by a large transformer mounted in the center of the locomotive body for the traction motors, cooling blowers and all other onboard equipment. The locomotive's power was controlled via a tap-switching arrangement; the number of secondary windings in use could be varied, thus adjusting the output voltage. The units were rated at 4,920 hp (410 hp per motor) continuous rating and a maximum of 9,500 hp at 49 mph (intermittent duty). For passenger service, the GG1 was geared to run at 100 mph maximum although it achieved 110 mph in testing. For freight service, the locomotive was geared to run at 90 mph maximum. History A GG1 crash One of the more interesting moments in the history of the GG1 locomotive took place on the morning of January 15, 1953 at Washington's Union Station. Due to a brake line **** (valve) that closed due to poor location (its location caused the valve to close due to contact with the bottom cross member of the car), the Federal Express from Boston was unable to apply the brakes on part of the train. Pushed by the unbraked cars, the GG1 engine and two passenger cars ran off the end of Track 16 and crashed through the floor of Union Station and into the baggage room. In a remarkable demonstration of the durability of the GG1 engines, Engine #4876 was later cut into three pieces, removed from the baggage room, and reassembled at the Altoona (PA) shops of the Pennsylvania Railroad. It then re-entered commercial service and went on to be one of the last-serving GG1 engines.
GG1 4876 after the crash. Disposition While it is widely believed that the GG1s were retired due to a change in the electric power supply on the former PRR electrified zone, other concerns led to the retirement of the GG1s. Aside from maintenance and performance issues, the nail in the GG1's coffin was an ever growing problem with frame cracks which were expensive to repair and occurring more and more frequently. Amtrak's first attempt to replace the GG1, the E60, did not live up to expectations. Amtrak's purchase of AEM-7 electric locomotives allowed it to retire its fleet of GG1s. With the AEM-7s on hand Amtrak was not only able to replace its own GG1s, but sell a number of E60s to New Jersey Transit to replace their GG1s operating commuter trains on the North Jersey Coast Line. It has often been proposed for a GG1 to be restored to operating condition. While it would be theoretically possible to run a GG1 on the current Northeast Corridor's electrical system, surviving GG1s contain large amounts of toxic PCBs in their electrical systems as well as asbestos. These considerations puts a restoration far out of reach for most non-profit preservation groups. Surviving examples
Pennsylvania Railroad #4890, on display at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
PRR 4927, still lettered for Penn Central, at IRM.
Last scrapped GG1s
The GG1 in the movies
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PRR GG1 #4800 (foto credit: RR Museum of PA)
PRR GG1 #4859 (foto credit: Transportation Center, Harrisburg, PA) Pennsy GG1 #4877 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org) Pennsy GG1 #4877 (courtesy: http://www.trainweb.org/) PRR GG1 #4890 (foto credit: Frank Hicks) PRR GG1 #4890 (foto credit: National RR Museum, Green Bay, WI) PRR GG1 #4903 (courtesy: Age of Steam Museum, Dallas, TX) PRR GG1 #4913 (foto credit: Ana Dill) Pennsy GG1 #4916 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org) PRR GG1 #4927 (foto credit: Illinois Railway Museum) PRR GG1 #4933 (foto credit: Jack Humphrey) PRR GG1 #4933 (foto credit: Richard Duley) Pennsy GG1 #4935 (courtesy: www.trainweb.org) PRR GG1 #4935 (foto credit: RR Museum of PA)
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Because of the weather (endless rain) the roofers have decamped until next Tuesday. So I'll be at my usual post today and tomorrow.
Let's see what we have today.
Pete was in with some interesting narrow gauge critters and some questions.
Pennsy I1 (2-10-0) first appeared in 1918.
The quality of C&O roadbed depended upon where you were. A lot of it was welded rail which rode very well, but there was stick rail on the Mountain Sub. As far as I know it's still there and in use, but I have not been over that way in quite awhile.
Your bus garage memory is a good one. Sort of like my going out and looking at RS3s and ancient coaches on the B&M. I know what you mean about stuff being gone.
Nick stopped by. Deep breaths, lad, deep breaths,
Fergie -Congratulations on the Big 6 win.
Allan - Earthquakes? All because you decided to go south? I know, Awk, he's a dangerous man!
Rob was by with comments.
Eric was in also - it sounds as though your weather has been a lot like ours; cloudy and cool.
OSP - My, that is a nice looking shop building - lot's of room and good lighting. I appreciated the C&O material as well - you'll see a lot of it at the next Rendezvous. As for the Ives cars - too much! I always liked that stuff. Also, a nice shot of the B&M RDC at North Station - lots memories.
Work safe
<CP #2928 (4-4-4) Jubilee - personal foto from Rob>
Our Galley Crew reports that they're making ready to serve <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfasts on this next to last work day of the week! Coffee ‘n pastries are fresh - so whattayawaitinfer
Weather continues to amaze - AND Petrol is below $3.30 <rounded> . . . but with the hurricane in the Gulf, who knows what's next Anyway, we've got a GREAT forecast for the Labor Day weekend.
Comments from the Proprietor
PLANNED ABSENCES:
(1) Eric is in Sweden ‘til week after next . . .
(2) Allan leaves for Aussie-land on Sunday ‘n will be gone for 2 weeks . . .
(3) Rob will be gone for the last week of September . . .
(4) Pete will be gone for the month of October . . .
add Shane's ongoing situation at work along with Fergie being back to sea, 'n it should be very evident that this is a rough time for the few remaining . . . <groan>
No changes to the "You Post, I Post" idea . . . so, I expect we'll be in the doldrums for quite some time during daylite hours.
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Tuesday - August 27th: <all times Central daylite>:
Page 13 - Pete <pwolfe> at 10:05 AM 'n 2:03 PM: This surely has been the week for our Bar Chandler as Sir Moderation has single handedly kept things on a roll during the daylite hours!
Rough 'n tough going at the Saloon by the Siding with all kinds of absences 'n missed opportunities . . . <groan> Saw our Canadian Maritime Mariner logged in a couple of times - but nothing for us. <groan> He did tell me <by fone> that he wasn't confident that the sat-link would be available where they're headed . . . oh well.
Surely makes me think aloud about those questions being addressed by our crew on other Threads - are those people being invited to "Our" Place Probably not.
I'd be disappointed if there wasn't at least ONE Pirate in Penzance! <grin>
Figured you'd like the Tri-ang material . . . and yes, TT gauge was shown. Recall when I porovided a run-down on that some time back Anyway, glad you enjoyed the spread.
Many thanx for your inclusive comments, fotos 'n interest in supporting the crew at "Our" Place . . .
ROUND always appreciated, of course . . .
Thursday - August 28th:
Page 13 - Eric <EricX2000> at 12:25 AM <7:25 AM Swedish time>: A pleasant ‘n welcomed surprise from our Resident Desert Swede on vacation in the old country!
Very much appreciate your taking the time to drop by - and with a foto too! Fine looking cab shot, really puts us on the rails!
While we surely miss ya ‘round here, it's quite a testament to your support for "Our" Place to have dropped off THREE Posts since you departed . . . Exemplifies what I really believe - If one wants to, one WILL find a WAY!
Enjoy your time away . . .
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
TODAY is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Tom
Good evening Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, as usual these days I am in a hurry so I'll just have a cold Tui, please!
I have about ten minutes before I have pack and get to the airport. Flying down to Stockholm today where I'll pick up a rental car and drive to Linköping, a city 130 miles south of Stockholm so I thought a short stop here at the bar is in order.
This week has been kind of rainy so I have spent most of the time indoors. Yesterday we went to an old railroad station where a steam locomotive is on display. Got some pictures but I haven' had a chance to upload them to the server yet. I had a quick look at the posts since my last visit, but I don't have time enough today for comments. Saw an interesting ad from Budd though with two nice photos of some RDC's!
I'll be back as soon as I get a chance. Tell the brunette high from me!!
A local freight train waiting for a passing EMU on a local branch outside Stockholm 1980.
Eric
G'day All!
Good to see Pete return with his foto parade!
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #16
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Here's something to enjoy regarding the Budd RDC's from a 1950 advertisement found in my personal collection.
Single Car "Limited"
Here is the new railroad car which is a train in itself - the self-propelled, diesel-powered, all-stainless steel RDC-1. The Budd Company created it to perform a service both to railroads and their patrons, by carrying more passengers on short or long hauls at lower operating cost.
The RDC-1 seats ninety in air-conditioned comfort. With power transmitted hydraulically, from an effortless start it picks up speed like a whippet and stops in a fantastically short space . . . with the easy softness of pushing your hand against a pillow.
Railroad men foresee a wide usefulness for this car. It may be operated as a single unit, or a number of cars can be coupled into a train, operated by one engineman.
Improvement in any field of endeavor begins with imagination. The RDC-1 is another example of Budd practice which is first to envision clearly the need and then bring to bear all the resources of inventive engineering. It follows the modern stainless steel streamliner, the all-steel automobile body, the tapered steel disc wheel and so many other products in which Budd has translated imagination into practical accomplishment.
The Budd Company, Philadelphia, Detroit
Budd
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RDC-1 (foto credit: unknown)
RDC-1 BC-15 (courtesy: http://www.trainweb.com/ - foto credit: unknown)
Enjoy!
A pint of Holden's Mild please RUTH on this warmest day we have had for a while.
TOM Many thanks for the photos of the Marx and Ives toy trains the great catalog covers and the Tri-ang Hornby Book Of Trains., those models look in mint condition.
I see the Tri-ang European Train catalog was for the short lived TT guage. Really like the look of that ALCO on the American Flyer catalog..
Had a look at the link showing the US Coast Guard Cutter Dallas a fine looking ship.
I have some smaller guage railways for Model Day.
At the 15" Cleethorpes Coast Light Railway in Lincolnshire is No. 24 2-6-2 in sandy River & Rangeley Lake livery. Built at Fairbourne in 1990.
HELP WANTED.Anyone with an idea where this miniature railway is. The loco seems to be named MICHAEL and it says G M R on the tender.
At the Launceston Steam Railway in Cornwall is 2Ft gauge 0-4-0 Saddle Tank Covercoat, on a wet day. A 'Quarry Hunslet' built in 1898 it worked at the Welsh Slate Quarries at Dinorwic. The LSR runs on the ex North Cornwall Railway trackbed to Newmills.
Well RUTH a round please.
Another day where our Bar Chandler has 'saved the bacon' <for his sarnie, no doubt!> by providing a morning Post!
Random Stuff for our Wednesday OP-SHUN-UL Toy 'n Model Trains Day!
(1) Marx Toy Trains
(2) Ives Toy Trains
(3) 1956 American Flyer Catalog
(4) 1956 Lionel Catalog
(5) Triang-Hornby Trains from the 1960s
(6) Triang set
Totally unrelated 'n here's a URL showing a USCG cutter departing for Georgia <same class as my "last hurrah"> Totally different missions between most Coast Guard organizations . . . U.S. version has a dual peacetime/wartime mission 'n is structured as a military organization.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080827/ap_on_re_eu/georgia;_ylt=Al0AYmfUxKjBiaZK6j00UYus0NUE
The usual cup of coffee and bacon sarnie please RUTH.
TOM Many thanks for more photos from the TRE Maintenance Facility. I like the photo of the wheel set and traction motor. It seems as though you found a Dallas Pat's Place in the two photos by the looks of the mirror. The GP9s look in almost new condition. Really liked the class 120 DMU in the photo and the great Penzance poster for Nick. On one of the pubs in Penzance there is a pirate on the roof.
Yes there is only another 64 Western Names to go I will post them after 10 more of my posts, but the great thing is I will probably forget. Some one HAS written a book with a full history and a photo of all the Westerns, I believe it I called ‘Cast of Thousands'.
Just waiting for the bride to check something at work and I will let you know about our September meet.
Many thanks for the link to the SFSR, it seems the locomotives are in a different paint scheme now. My trip on the line was a surprise as the bride had booked a trip on the line and had not told me.
Yes it was a pleasant surprise to see those cars and locomotives at St Louis Union Station on my first visit there. I think they were a good attraction, but sadly, as you say, no longer there.
NICK Sounds as though you have had a real hectic time lately, it must be good to have a lot of gigs to play at though.
That really is an interesting photo on the other thread. I have spent quite a bit of time looking at it and I think I agree with you it does have a Midland Railway look to it but can't recall seeing a photo with those two pipes coming from the smokebox. At the time I believe engines were regularly rebuilt altering their appearance. Looking at the background I think it is in a station, look at the ornate roof. Do you think St Pancras or perhaps Manchester Central. I wonder if it is the latter, perhaps a Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire (forerunner of the Great Central) engine. It is a bit strange the loco does not appear to have a company name on the tender. I think at the time of the photo the MR engines were in green. I' m afraid all this is a guess on my part.
ALLAN Yes I thought the Cov v Toon was a good game looked as though the town were going to rack up a big score after going 2 up but Cov scored with the last kick of the 1st half and equalized with a header in the last play of the 2nd. Owen scored in extra time but Cov were unlucky with a shot off the post near the end. Extra time messed up my chore schedule, I see it is Nottingham Forest v Sunderland today.
Glad you enjoyed the photos and the Western names.
Apparently we are near a fault line here in Mid Missouri and there was a quake nearer Tom recently, we saw that some of the model trains in the cabinets at the Barriger library had been shaken off the shelves.
Have a great time on your visit to Australia.
ROB Sorry to hear you had a rough day at work; I remember them well.
Many thanks for the kind words on my posts, as I say to Tom I will post another ten of the Western Names when I reach post 1020 or thereabouts, if I don't forget..
Well Ruth another coffee please and hope to be back with a couple of photos.
Wednesday's Witticism
If you'd like to know a man, find out what makes him mad.
Mid-week once again in mid-continent! You know the routine - so let's get a leg up on starting your day with our breakfasts, pastries ‘n coffee!
<GoR> PLANNED ABSENCES:
I'm not planning to change the "You Post, I Post" idea . . . so, I expect we'll be in the doldrums for quite some time during the daylite hours.
Tuesday - August 26th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 12 - Pete <pwolfe> at 10:57 AM: Ye Gads! A throwback to the days <daze> when we had Pages ‘n Pages of nothing but more of the same - names ‘n numbers ad nauseam! <arrrrgggggghhhhh> BUT, you at least restricted yours to 10! How considerate - how civil - how very nice of you, Mate! <grin> Good names to ponder - now we need a foto for EACH!
Figured between using the Disk Cleanup ‘n Disk Defrag that you'd experience some relief from your ‘puter problems.
Let's hope our September Rendezvous works out . . . as discussed by fone, I'm flexible - just waiting for the confirmation from you!
Nope, the trip up to Fairbanks ‘n return was hardly anything resembling a journey made for fun. Was simply a means to get to where we THOUGHT "things" were happenin' . . . then the looooooooong return to Anchorage for the flight to Kodiak ‘n our ship. Nah, wasn't at all what it would've been had I been "into it" as now. Just young ‘n stupid . . .
A definite "boost" having you pick things up in the AM!
Page 12 - Pete <pwolfe> at 1:39 PM: Back "in" with some fotos, chat ‘n a ROUND! You do "wonder" the most wondrous of things! <grin>
Had never heard of the Santa Fe-Southern Railway, a tourist "thing" - as you said. Anyway, nice looking livery! Different, fer sure, fer sure. A link:
http://www.sfsr.com/
St. Louis Car Company switcher ‘n background cars bring to mind how quickly all of that was dispatched from Union Station.
Pages 12-13 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 7:13 PM ‘n 7:44 PM ‘n 7:49 PM ‘n 7:56 PM ‘n 8:01 PM <1:13 AM - 1:44 AM - 1:49 AM - 7:56 AM - 2:01 AM Wednesday GMT>: <phew> Our Wandering Minstrel ‘n Keeper of the Galley has returned to the bar in form only known to those of us who have followed the Expolits of Nick!
Rather than try to hi-lite the high-lights - read ‘em yourself! <grin>
Page 13 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:54 PM <4:54 PM Wednedsday NZ time>: Gone ‘til mid-September, eh You'll surely be missed ‘round here . . . <groan> BUT, just keep the Tui coming ‘n perhaps you can arrange to have it "escorted" by a bevy of those Brewery Gals! <pant> <pant>
Perhaps you can scour up an Aussie customer for "Our" Place!
Best any of us can do is to help ourselves as much as possible when it comes to reducing the chance of damage due to quakes, etc. None of it is a guarantee, so I guess it's just another example of this crap shoot we call life, eh
One day we'll visit Penzance - if for no other reason than to say we were where that great G&S production supposedly took place. One of our favorites, fer sure, fer sure!
Always appreciate having you at the bar ‘n enjoy reading your comments ‘n drinking those ROUNDS! <grin>
Page 13 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:28 PM <11:28 PM EDT>: And our Manager straggled in - somewhat a bit worse for wear, but here nonetheless!
As you ‘n Pete observed, that TRE facility was immaculate, considering what goes on in there on a daily basis. It was quite a treat to have those insights, ‘n our host - Josh - was most forthcoming, informative ‘n enjoyable to be around. It was a super-fine day.
Methinks it would be laffable to take on a Pirate's trade using a CCG vessel. They aren't built for speed! <grin> But the thought is interesting . . . <grin> Seriously doubt that the port calls would be anything like those from my distant past . . . I'm too <censored> old ‘n educated to repeat some of those antics from days gone by! <uh oh>
Glad you made it "in" ‘n hope the rest of your schedule provides you with a bit of a breather between shifts. Visit, chat ‘n ROUND most appreciated!
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Well good evening Leon, a rather large round of the hard stuff for everyone if you don't mind. Been a day and a half at work let me tell you , the kind of days ( daze ) that make you wonder why we do it oh well good to eb back amongst friends.
Tom-Some fine photo spreads from Dallas , there's a couple there that I don't remember the shots with the personel in them in the maintenance facility, still I'll aggree with Pete one heck of a well lit well maintained facility
Good info on the C&O as well , slow or not makes it all worth the while around this here place.
Pete-In with a couple well placed and timed posts today interesting loocmotive names sir
Allan-I'm glad you enjoyed the mail service bit and the photo's That mail piesce was from way back in bar number one, a page in the mid 400's ( hmmm ) everything went to pot after that <grrr> but a rant for another time. Back then we put together theme days , Tom's was from the same span of posts, thankfully you can still go back and read enjoy those days (daze) of yore here at the bar.
Eric-Was in yesterday with aphoto and some greetings. What a guy a daylight post from half way around the world, there's commitment for you
Shane- We'll keep the light son for you, hopefully the fumes and danger from them passes quickly for you guys.
Nick-He's back in Nick form at that. Boris can now call off the critters. Artie had been flying out and back serch runs trying to sight you, and Tex and Awk were keeping tabs on the Zep sheds. I think even H&H were a bit unsettled by your absence,that or it's something they ate.At any rate it's good to have our wildman from Wales back
Fergie-A quick stop in ,good to see you again.It may be a good thing your headed back to sea, continued wins on ebay can cause problems translated more honey-do chores. ( does around my place anyway ) If Tom does get aboard one of your cruises, just don't let him talk you into becomming a high seas pirate with him ( unless of coarse the plunder is shared equally here at the bar )
Hi Tom and all,
Leon, the usual round of Tui`s for all the guys` please!
Pete. Some great memories of your escapades` at the Midland Bus garage at Rugby on your train spotting trips there. Interesting start of the BR Diesel Hydralic Western names` with the 1st 10 names`. Did`nt see the Coventry v Toon game live but will watch the replay, it was a close game by all accounts with the Toon winning 3-2. Nice couple of pix of the SFS RR loco and the loco at St Louis Union Station. We get a few shakes` here as we are on the edge of the Pacific plate, that 5.9 one was`nt as strong as the quake that did a lot of damage to Gisborne at Xmas time last year.
Nick. Great to see you mate. Sounds as if you`ve been having a heck of a time with all those gigs` and the other happenings`, hope things get back to normal for you soon.
Tom. It was great to reminisce with you about those great old Saturday movie shows`, we were very lucky to have lived in that era that's for sure. We fly back from Aussie on Sept 10th and then we are spending four more days` with the family in Auckland and driving back home on Sept 14th. Will keep an eye on the e-mail situation when I can, it looks as if I will have a heck of a lot of catching up to do on all the posts` over the 14 day period that i`m away for. A fine Passenger Train Nostalgia #15 on the C&O RR with the Drumhead selection, and another great set of pix of your Dallas RDC adventure. A fine Haverford station pic for Nick, and the nice BR Penzance poster as well, could`nt see any "Pirates`" on the beach though. It`s a good job we`ve got a frame house built to the NZ quake specifications for this area, we have no brickwork or concrete footings to worry about either.
See ya, Allan
And Sir Nick is trying his level best to convince . . . <grin>
Okay, here's the TEST . . . name the FIRST customer of "Our" Place . . . <dee dee dee dee, dum, dum, dum, dum, de dum de dum de dum>
Gee, I wonder where that might be . . . hmmmmmm URL for the original bar, perhaps Hmmmmmm. Wonder where to find that <grin>
Looking forward to resumption of activity - bring it on, Mate!
RR BOOK RELAY 2008! can be mailed at any time you're ready - just ship me an Email when it "flies" . . .
Oh yes-the reason I attend to other business first is so that this place is top of the list........
What ho dear-lovely pic of the H/West north end of the yard -when it was still working ...
One from a great sequence-including some fine shots of Milford when it was still a principal destination..........
And it`s the instant response service-only hit the enter button `cos I couldnt get rid of the 20 point type any other way....never let it be said that I dont stand my corner-consider the both as one submission
sorry about the `Headline `print there-not sure which button I pressed.....
O.K-got lots of stuff for you:-,a trip report,some new layout pix,a track plan comparison (Whitland now and from the 1950`s) and more besides....
Right then ...Leon,could we have a round of beers please,-good man -Right-matters arising PETE-one for you I suspect-on my way in tonight threw a couple of comments at a `what is this ? `type thread-looks like a Midland 2-4-0 to me-would value your opinion-check the general discussion page
And a quick note to the man.......Hope you are back on top of everything-take it a day at a time-book relay is ready to go,just name the time and place ( Times Square-I shall be wearing a red carnation-You will be carrying a Smith & Wesson.......................) there is a song in there somewhere............
O.K guys-once again it is time to swim in the waters of Lethe-will be right back with you as soon as can be done-you all take care now..........
< Haverfordwest railway station>
Okay, okay - some guy calling himself "Nick" pops in - stirs all kinds of emotions - leaves without so much as a ROUND! <geesh>
And found the time to muse ELSEWHERE before coming to the bar! Hmmmmmm.
Whoever you are, flirting with a <tweeting>! <uh oh>
Jeez what a couple of weeks.........
The Wolfman made it "in" for a 2nd visit ‘n that's about IT for this day . . . very, very slow during daylite ‘round here . . .
More from my 2005 Dallas Rail Adventure with Dick Watkins . . .
Rule of Six suspended <by three>!
TRE Maintenance Facility
(49) Josh ‘n Dick <poor quality>
(50) Tom & Josh <poor quality>
(51)
(52)
(53)
(54)
LUNCH
(55) A light moment <poor quality>
(56) Tom - Josh - Dick <poor quality>
ADIEU TRE
(57) GE Rail Services GP9s
That's it for now . . .
Time for a Bathams please RUTH.
TOM Many thanks for the Passenger Train Nostalgia on the C&O, the predecessor of which was founded by George Washington, it said in the Ad. I wonder if the C&O roadbed was better than its competitors.
The Chessie Kitten must have been one of the most reconizeable emblems used by a railway company anywhere.. The other Drumheads are most attractive as well I feel.
I have a couple American locomotive photos today.
At Santa Fe there is a line that runs tourist trains towards the junction with the BNSF line although the trip we took did not go as far as the junction.The locomotive is at Santa Fe station.
The train had a flat car and the old car in the photo as well as a Dome car. It looks an interesting Rio Grande caboose in the background
This photo was when St Louis Union Station had vintage railroad equipment stored there, different now when I last visited the station at Rendezvous III. The photo was taken around New Year's Day 2001.
Good to see our Bar Chandler BEFORE noon - pickin' up the slack on these days of doldrums!
Here's something to keep things going from our sub-basement archives room . . .
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #15
<A form of this was initially Posted on 27 Oct 2005, Page 148 at "Our" Place I>
Here's something to enjoy regarding the C&O from a 1940 advertisement found in one of my scrap books.
YOU'LL WISH YOU COULD LOOK both ways AT ONCE! EXPERIENCED TRAVELERS call it "The most beautiful train trip in the East," this mountain-and-canyon route of Chesapeake and Ohio Lines. On this magnificent journey you look out and down upon waves of mountains - the majestic Alleghenies, the mysteriously tinted Blue Ridge . . . upon valleys stretching like bright carpets to the far, purple hills. The scene changes - and you look up the towering green walls of the New River Gorge as you roll smoothly through the widest and deepest canyon this side of the Rockies. Yes, when you watch this panorama of thrilling beauty from your train windows, you'll wish you could look both ways at once! On your next trip east or west GO CHESAPEAKE AND OHIO . . . and enjoy glorious mountain country! You'll travel in complete comfort, on the smoothest of roadbeds, in cool, clean air-conditioned cars that invite you to relax by day and Sleep Like a Kitten at night . . . When you travel west or east, plan to ride through The Chessie Corridor on these famous trains- THE GEORGE WASHINGTON - THE SPORTSMAN - THE F. F. V. Sleep like a Kitten THE CHESSIE CORRIDOR, The Scenic Route of the East A NEW BOOK on Chessies Travel Packages will help you plan interesting, economic trips. Write for free copy to Chesapeake and Ohio Travel Services, 829 East Main St., Richmond, Va.
George Washington's Railroad CHESAPEAKE and OHIO Lines Original Predecessor Company Founded by George Washington in 1785
Good to see you back RUTH although you do not seem to have much of a tan your cheeks look rosy. I had better have a coffee and a bacon sarnie before I get into trouble.
TOM It was great to talk with you yesterday. The puter seems better now I did some of this post last night and de-fraged it overnight.
More great photos from your Dallas trip like the close ups of RDC #2013. I always enjoying seeing the inside view of maintenance facilities it reminds me of my shed visits.
The cleanliness of the facility is a great credit to TRE I think.
I thought we had seen all the sheds at Exporail, the only thing I can think of is they are only shown on the other language guidebook.
Thanks for the info on the City of St Louis between St Louis and Kansas City. By an Our Place coincidence the map of the month in the old Trains Magazine I mentioned on the phone is of the UP predecessors
Seeing as I am nearly at post1010 I will list the BR Diesel-Hydraulic Westerns in batches of 10.
1000 WESTERN ENTERPRISE
1001 WESTERN PATHFINDER
1002 WESTERN EXPLORER
1003 WESTERN PIONEER
1004 WESTERN CRUSADER
1005 WESTERN VENTURER
1006 WESTERN STALWART
1007 WESTERN TALISMAN
1008 WESTERN HARRIER
1009 WESTERN INVADER
1010 WESTERN CAMPAIGNER
As you say about that trip to Fairbanks it is still great to be on a warm train while traveling through the rough weather outside the train.
FERGIE Good to see you back from the countryside. Another from Our Place heading for the Arctic.
Congratulations for winning the big six on E-Bay.
ALLAN. Real glad you are all OK and there was no damage to your house and the property near you after that earthquake.
I guess it could be quite a competition to see what was the worst livery applied to a locomotive of unit. I recall one a few years back that ran around the Birmingham area that was painted yellow and blue I thought it looked awful.
I think I will post Allan's photos on Saturdays if that is OK.
Talking of the bus auto washer at Byker garage brought back another memory of my youth. At Rugby the Midland Red bus garage was next to the railway station and on Sunday mornings we would go down there and try to go round the locomotive shed, always asking but not always being allowed to. There was a place opposite the garage where the end of the platform and a good view of the tracks could be had. Well it was quiet on a Sunday morning and we made friends with the man who used to wash the buses with a washer that came over the bus with automatic brushes etc. It was great fun to watch this, especially on a cold winter morning. There was a bus from our village about 2 miles from Rugby about 9.30AM and we had to catch the 12-30PM bus back. Today there is not a bus on Sunday at all on our route. Thanks for bring back a memory for me. .
I see COVENTRY V the TOON in the Carling Cup are live on TV here this afternoon.. If only I can get the dog to do the chores for me.
Well RUTH another coffee please and back later with a couple of photos.
It's that day again - the day BEFORE Wednesday! <arrrrrgggggghhhh> But, there's a way to circumvent it all by beginning your day with us! Order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board - check out The Mentor Village Bakery Case ‘n of course fill up your mugs with our freshly ground ‘n brewed special blend coffee!
And yes, RUTH returns TODAY!
Shane reports that he may miss a couple of mornings this week due to the ongoing roof work . . . mornings may be really slow, for it's the "You Post, I Post" idea that will prevail ‘round here. No back to backs from Moi, unless something special crops up.
And so the question is asked once more - where in <censored> is Nick
Monday - August 25th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 12 - Fergie <Fergmiester> at 8:28 PM <10:28 PM ADT>: Look who has returned, our Most-Irregular-Part-time Resident Maritime Mariner himself!
Hope the get-away was relaxing ‘n enjoyable . . .
Heading back north, eh I'm tempted to write your HQ in Ottawa ‘n see what develops with my request to join one of your voyages . . . if they take observers from all aspects of society, I'd be surprised that they'd turn down such an erstwhile member of the sea-going society such as I! <grin> Might just do it - yeah, just might. Hmmmmmm. Even might get the USCG in WashDC to communicate with the Canadian Ambassador . . . Hmmmmmm. The plot thickens . . . One never knows ‘til one trys, eh
Looking forward to your call! And thanx for the "happy hour"!
Page 12 - Allan <Gunneral> at 9:13 PM <4:13 PM Tuesday NZ time>: I hadn't thought about those Saturday mornings at the movie house until we began exchanging thoughts . . . brought back so many good memories. Yeah, the kids of today really are in a different world - why go to the movies to see cartoons ‘n westerns <if they even give a Rat's Patoot about shoot-em-ups> when the TV is loaded with channels showing virtually everything the mind can conjur up ‘n then some! <yikes> Yeah, a totally different world, fer sure, fer sure. I consider myself very fortunate to have experienced those things we've discussed ‘n like the "smile" it brings within!
So, we'll be minus our Resident Downunder Kiwi for a week or more, eh Not to worry, I suspect we'll still be here <or somewhere in the Ether> when you return. Should "something" develop - there'll be an Email awaiting you on our "back channel net."
5.9 isn't anything to dismiss - glad to know all's well with you ‘n yours! <phew> I suppose there's no where on this Earth of ours to escape the wrath of Mother Nature when she decides to let us know who is boss, eh <uh oh>
I recall the claim that New England had the best of brilliance when it came to fall splendor, etc., etc. Having lived up that way for 8 years, most of the seasons were simply splendid. Of course those I missed by being out to sea didn't count! <grin> Then experiencing the fall in mid-continent brought yet another aspect to it all. Not only does the fall "last longer" in these parts, it comes a bit later . . . brilliance is brilliance ‘n I don't know how one really measures which is "best." It's simply a grand time of the year, fer sure, fer sure!
Appreciate, as always, your visit, comments ‘n ROUND!
Fergie. Nice to see you back in again. Great to hear you won the Big Six in that E-Bay auction the other day, your steam roster on the MESS RR is on the up and up.
Rob. Thanks for your kind words`. A nice write up from your archives` in Classic Juice # 35 "Mail the Electric Version" , some great background history of those trolley mail services and equipment together with all those historic pix, it fitted in so well with Tom`s comprehensive RPO write up. Another set of colourful diesel loco pix from your extensive collection.
Eric. Nice to see you in with two posts` from the old country, couple of fine shots` of the narrow gauge passenger car and the MILW RR Bi-Polar electric loco. Take care with all those loose moose around over there.
CM3. Those New England fall colours` are a real must see for me, I invest in an extra Lotto ticket each week nowadays just in case my luck come`s up.
Pete. Thank`s for the link to the new Tyne and Wear Metro livery, I agree with you that it`s not very impressive. One thing about Newcastle Corporation Transport, they kept their buses` clean and polished no matter what, they had a big drive through auto washer at the huge Byker garage. Looking forward to seeing your other main line steam tour pix, and the Llangollen and Rhyl photos` of Alan`s.
Tom. It`s great to reminisce about those Saturday movie shows`, they were the highlight of the weekends`, the kids these day`s really do`nt know what they are missing do they? We used to call our local "Ritz" the "Ranch" because of all the Westerns they showed there. Couple of Classic flicks` for the weekend, a great comedy with "As good as it gets" and a great western, including a train, in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid". We are really looking forward to our Aussie trip now, we drive up to Auckland on Sunday Aug 31st, a 5hr drive depending on the traffic, spend a day with our other relatives` there, then fly out to Brisbane on Tuesday Sept 2nd, the BIL and the bride`s sister will pick us up at the airport over there. A top notch set of pix in your latest Dallas RDC adventure, they enlarged really well and are most definite "keepers". Thanks for the latest head`s up on the Book Relay progress. We had a 5.9 quake here in Hawkes bay at 11.25pm last night, you could hear it coming, a real deep rumble like a train, it`s epicentre was 40 kms north of us and 30 kms deep, our house really rattled some, but thankfully no damage at all. No damage in the main centres` of Hastings and Napier either, thank goodness!
Good Evening Captain Tom and Crew!
I might as well order a Keith's and an order of Wings with Suicide Sauce. Keep my tab open for all to enjoy for the next hour!
Yes I'm back from the countryside just in time to go to the Arctic Wednesday.
Anyway I won the Big-Six on ebay the other day So the MESS has even more power to play with!
I suspect tomorrow will be very busy as I have to all my errands and get my gear together but I will try to get in and catch up on the business at hand before I head out.
Tom: I'll give you a call tomorrow as I have a little something for ya!!
Later All
Fergie
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If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
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