Hi Tom and all.
A full breakfast this Saturday please CINDY.
TOM The arrival of the display case in good condition is good news after the problems with the basement.
Many thanks for the Budd advert from 1954.It seems they were very successful for the Canadian Pacific as well. I wonder if many photos exist of the RDCs in service in Australia and Saudi Arabia. I dare say they are still use in Cuba.
Yes the steam engines were very labor intensive in their maintenance and infrastructure like water towers etc. To think back in the day a great majority of workers in some towns earned their living on the railways, certainly in the UK.
That does sound a lot of fun looking for cabooses to match the steamers. I guess they do them in the same era as the steamers but may be more difficult to find. With the BR models it would have to be different wagons and passenger cars as the brake vans would be the same.
I think the Southern Railway of the U.S. really got the tender design right behind their green painted Pacifics like the one in the Smithsonian whose photo as appeared a the bar a while back.
I had forgotten those Sacred Heart Ladies in the photo; I recall they even turned BORIS to drink.
I must agree with you in your comment to CM3 about Pay Per View, they used to do this with certain soccer games in the UK not sure if they still do. If they are not careful they will kill the Golden Goose, people won't pay to see it then when it is on without PPV they have found something else to do or watch, serve 'em right says I
ROB Glad you enjoyed the photos. I think round here keeping a really dry basement is a real problem, luckily I was able to keep the water under control this time with towels and a mop, I feel another go with the shovel and sealant is in my near future.
I have found it is a good tactic to please H&H, after all the time I have been having their Fish & Chips I think I have built up some form of immunity.
ERIC Great to see you in, hope you have had a great holiday despite the rain.
It looks a mighty cold day the day of your photo in Boston.
Looking forward to seeing you in the bar Monday, thanks for the round.
Some photos from England from Alan.
The first two feature an ex LMS C.E. Fairburn 2-6-4 Tank Engine No 42085. In 1955 there were 645 examples of LMS 2-6-4 tanks of slightly different designs, first intoduced by Henry Fowler in 1927 further examples were built by Stanier and Fairburn.The photos are taken on the Great Central Railway. The engine is wearing a 5iA shedplate which was for Darlington Shed. Some ofthese locos worked away from LMS lines in BR days, like in the South and North East,
There are just 2 locomotives of the 2-cylinder LMS type preserved although there is 3-cylinder No. 2500 in the National Railway Museum.In preservation the two tanks are on The Lakeside & Hathernwaite Railway and this is the first visit away from the line for one of them. In the photo below 42085 is arriving at Rothley station.
The next 2 photos were taken at Birmingham Railway Museum at Tyseley. The first shows GWR 0-6-0 pannier tank no.9600, she is wearing an 84E shedplate that was for Tyseley in BR days
9600 and ex LMS Jubilee 4-6-0 No 45593 'Kolhapur' .
Another pannier tank No 9466 at Stratford on Avon on a steam tour. In 1958 No.9466 worked off Worcester shed.
From Allan's old part of the country, the station at ALNWICK in Northumberland.
Well CINDY a round for who comes in. I have a Crib challange later at Pat's and I think resting is the best way to prepare for it but the bride thinks Honey Dos is better, guess what I will be doing.
Pete.
<VIA Rail LRC-2 at ExpoRail - personal foto>
G'day Gents!
Saturday at the Saloon by the Siding! A glorious day here in mid-continent USA with blue skies ‘n temps expected to get no higher than lo-70s (F) today . . . yesterday's high was 64!! That's amazing for this time of year . . . but we'll take it!
Coffee ‘n pastries are fresh! And our breakfasts are ready for ordering! So, what's the delay <grin>
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Comments from the Proprietor
Next B'day: Rob on the 8th!
PLANNED ABSENCES:
(1) Eric returns to the bar on Monday!
(2) Allan is in Aussie-land ‘n should be back with us in a week or so.
(3) Rob will be gone for the last week of September . . .
(4) Pete will be gone for the month of October . . .
. . . and we have Fergie at sea in perhaps poor to no sat-comm conditions - Dan "lost" in Sherwood Forest . . . Calling upon ALL who CAN to do so during daylite!
It's "You Post, I Post" at the Bar by the Ballast!
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Friday - September 5th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 16 - Pete <pwolfe> at 11:05 AM: Was hoping someone would keep the daylite visits going during my absence ‘n you did!
Fine spate o' fotos . . . just too bad we haven't the clientele to enjoy ‘em! Those narrow gauge trains are hard to get used to . . . so "toy like" in appearance. Then again, that's what the toys were modeled after, eh Hmmmmmm.
Thanx for the visit ‘n business! <KaChing> <KaChing>
Page 16 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 2:53 PM <3:53 PM EDT>: Most pleased to see that our Resident WVA Connection didn't bail out on us ‘n dropped off some quarters along with a ROUND before departing for the weekend!
Honestly must admit that I'm a bit discombobulated over this <censored> basement problem. Back to square one - have had three "experts" arrive with their "remedies" and all have "decided" that jack hammering the basement for a drainage system ‘n pump is the way to go. BS, say I! My former-friend <the contractor> had it right - just a shame he bagged out ‘n hasn't been seen or heard from since late winter. <barf> Oh well . . . this is one of those times where I regret my physical limitations - for in another life, I'd have had all of the excavation work done myself. Just ain't up to it any longer - that's a 22 foot long trench down to the foundation level - far too much for me to do. <groan>
Funny, as much as I've been looking forward to football, I totally missed the Giants game! Did watch Mizzou on the tube last week against the Illini - was quite an offensive match-up. Now that Mizzou is nationally ranked - they've decided to go with a "pay package" for many of their games. <barf> That has really turned off lots of folks in these parts - where there are thousands of die hard college foo-ball fans. Pay Nah . . . . we already pay for the <censored> cable TV service! <geesh>
Appreciate the visit ‘n chat!
Page 16 - Pete <pwolfe> at 4:02 PM: You being the steam loco aficionado surely would know more than I - but somewhere in reading about steam locomotives <in general> there were comments to the effect that they were hard to maintain, hard to start ‘n required huge expenditures in terms of manpower ‘n facilities to keep ‘em running. Probably hastened their exit from the scene once diesels ‘n electrics came to be, eh
Glad you enjoyed the Hudson ‘n associated links!
Haven't set out in earnest to order any cabooses for the steamers - but that WILL happen. Really difficult trying to make the match in road names though . . . I do have PRR - NYC - NH in another display case, along with CP ‘n CN on the Can-Am Railway, but they are "assigned" to assembled freights. So, now it's off to the browser to find different ones. Something to look forward to!
When it came to tenders, I'd have to say the Brits really made the mold - the design along with those great paint schemes are simply grand.
Au contraire, mon ami - there IS a chapter of those Sacred Heart Ladies right here in Mentor Village! Recall this one
Many thanx for your continuing support, good cheer ‘n ROUND!
Page 16 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 11:35 PM <12:35 AM Saturday EDT>: I'd agree with you regarding the water situation in the basement IF we had a wet summer - but ours was comparatively dry - especially August. We had a most wet spring ‘n early summer, however, ‘n who knows how much ground water remains from that At any rate, the problem is still with us ‘n after a nearly 4 inch downpour from Gustav, my guess is the water just found the beneath the ground route to the foundation. The idea is to have the area excavated, which will disrupt the path(s) - repair the wall from the outside, install a drainage system beneath the ground <French drain> and be done with it. Problem is finding someone to DO IT! <grumble> <mumble>
Fergie had indicated that they were experiencing comms difficulties aside from getting access to the internet. Said their TV reception was screwed up along with some Email traffic. A far, far cry from when I was sea going! TV - my Gawd! How awful for them. <tsk> <tsk> The ONLY reliable communications we had was by means of radio telegraph <CW - continuous wave> - still the MOST reliable in terms of punching through a signal regardless of atmospherics ‘n location on the planet. No such thing as Email - no such thing as internet - no such thing as "instant" comms with home for fone calls. Anyway, he's been thinking of us - which means a lot . . .
Yes, the turn around on the display case was remarkable ‘n of course appreciated. That company has always been good to deal with. One gets what they pay for - in terms of quality merchandise ‘n service. Mounted the case yesterday - late afternoon. Looks "lonely" - but not for long! <grin>
Thanx for the visit ‘n chat! Your twenty has been put aside for the next bunch of regulars who stroll in . . .
Saturday - September 6th:
Page 16 - Eric <EricX2000> at 3:47 AM <10:47 AM Swedish time>: A most pleasant surprise in the form of a visit from our Sandman, calling in from the old country! That's his FOURTH communiqué since departing for his homeland . . . many thanx!
Great shot from the cab of the media coverage with X2000 in Boston!
We're looking forward to reading about your exploits in Sweden ‘n of course, the brunette will be waiting for you at the Can-Am International Aerodrome . . .
Reminder: Cindy has the bar until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
Dinner begins at 5 PM so come early ‘n often!
Boris, serve ‘em all of the "spiked" OJ they can handle!
Tom
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Sorry, Leon, I didn't mean to wake you up. I just would like a cup of coffee and a cheese danish, please.
Sorry for being away for so long, but I have been out of an ineternet connection for a long time now. I am still in the old country but is flying home tomorrow morning, Sunday. It is a rainy day here today. I am renting an Volvo S60 and it runs nice.
I'll be back here at Our Place on Monday, when I will start catching up on everything.
A rainy day in Boston.
Have a nice weekend!
Round for the house.
Good evening Leon , I think just a Keith's tonight.I'll leave another twenty for the morning again as there seems to be some life then.
Tom-Well it's a bad thing that your basement dampness came back.I'm wondering if it ws just teh volume that was dumped on you that caused it The ground is still probably heavily saturated after how wet a summer we have a had. Gustov arrived over Ontario today we've had about an inch inch and a half, but it's come in bands,not all at once.
Nice to know that Fergie got that email off as I imagine being that far up even email contact would be spotty.
I wasn't sure if that Hudson piece was new or old, I think that you must have put some of it up before on one of our many theme days from back in the day.At any rate it was top notch stuff
Hopefully the occupants for the new display case arrive as safely and as intact as the case itself.That was pretty quick turn around time on that getting to you.I'm glad that the Montreal Gazette stuff was to your liking.It has been a long time since I put that up, the original posting of it was page 3 hundred something of the first bar ( would be nice to even hit a hundred on the bar before the next plug pulling )
Pete-That was a couple neat pictures today thanks for sharing.Too abd about yoru basement wetness as well. Perhaps the same people built both of your houses.
I'm thinking that you are a wise and brave man for always supporting H&H's culinary escipades.I'm not sure what the quicker death would be their food or not ordering it.I know which way would be more painfull
Shane -Nice to see you sneak in again this afternoon. I look forward to your thoughts on the Hudsons
Rob
Good to see Pete ‘n Shane make it "in" to help keep the bar afloat during these slack tides . . . Without either, we'd be hurting fer sure, fer sure.
Been a logn 'n hectic day - best I can say is my display case for the steam locomotives arrived in good shape! All that's needed are the locomotives!!
Okay - here's mine for this day . . . It's getting rather ridiculous trying to figure out who is going to come in ‘n when . . . so I'm gone-zo ‘til the ‘morrow . . . . <humbug>
From the sub-basement archives room . . .
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #19
<Initially Posted on 04 Nov 2005, Page 155 at "Our" Place I>
http://cs.trains.com/forums/129/991587/ShowPost.aspx
Here's something to enjoy regarding the RDC's from Budd from a 1954 advertisement found in my personal collection.
RDC - Car with a Future for Canada's Future
The Canadian Pacific - world's greatest travel system - has just bought four Budd stainless steel RDCs. (The letters RDC stand for Rail Diesel Car.) The cars were bought because of their proved ability to reduce costs, improve service and attract traffic. But also with an eye to Canada's growth, which presages an increase in the need for transportation as Canada's vast mineral, oil and natural resources are developed. Operating experiences with RDC usually reveals potentialities not originally envisioned. Nobody has yet found their limit, though RDC is now operating in a searching range of services in Australia, Cuba and Saudi Arabia, as well as on our own country's leading railroads.
The Budd Company, Philadelphia, Detroit, Gary.
Automobile and Truck Bodies and Wheels. Railway Passenger Cars and Plows.
Budd
PIONEERS IN BETTER TRANSPORTATION
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A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
TOM It was great to talk with you yesterday but real sorry to hear about the basement. It was great deal of rain yesterday and the day before here, the weatherman said it set a record for the amount of rain in one day at Columbia Airport. It seems that some parts of Britain is having heavy rain which is causing flooding
Many thanks for the Classic Locomotives #2 on the NYC Hudsons. I think the name ‘Thoroughbreds' would have suited them well. Reading the Wikipedia link, I was a bit surprised to see they had trouble starting a train until a booster was fitted.
As far as I'm aware, the only tender standard gauge Hudson/ Baltic in Britain was an LNER experimental high-pressure compound with a water tube boiler, introduced in 1929. It was rebuilt and a conventional loco in 1937.
Great photos in the other link, one of the sites has photos from railways from Britain as well as America.
Thanks for the regards from Fergie.
What a great idea to have a company's caboose with those models in the display case, looking forward to seeing them on my visit.
Yes I will try to keep the Western names to just ten at a time.
The week it is just me in England Alan has booked me for a run behind another Duchess, No 6233 Duchess of Sutherland, on a mid week trip from Crewe to Carlisle the old stamping ground for the class.
H&H get real upset if no one orders their culinary delights, especially the Fish ‘N' Chips
ROB Thanks for the ‘twenty'. Glad you enjoyed the photos. I had not thought VITO was involved with the puter problem but it makes sense thinking about it, yes I will have to pay up.
It would be good to have Jeff at the bar, but I can see that great site he has must take a lot of time keeping up.
I really enjoy the Weird Tales from the Barn, many thanks. It must have been a large manhole that the poor horse fell in. Luckily we don't have those Sacred Heart League ladies in Mentor Village.
CM3 Hopefully by next week all this moving at the office will be a bad memory.
Glad you liked the photos and looking forward to your post next week. Hope the weather behaves for the West Virginia v East Carolina game .
Well RUTH a round pleaseand the Steak and Fries a bit later.
Good Afternoon Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Just another quick stop today as they are running emergency power test here this afternoon and our connections are tenuous at best. All of the boxes have been moved and unpacked. The next next step is to organize everything but it will be here Monday with better electrical backup, I hope.
Twas a good night for the Giants last night and also for the SEC as Vanderbilt took it to SC.
Rob - I enjoyed your stories from Montreal.
Pete was by with comments and narrow gauge pictures.
Nick was by with comments and insight as well.
OSP - They forecast the end of the world over here for tomorrow but now it's been changed. West Virginia is set to play at East Carolina tomorrow; not only a good ball game but also it may be subject to some interesting weather.
I am truly sorry to hear about your basement situation. Hope you don't have to do a teardown as that dust gets into everyhting and everywhere (yuck!)
Excellent piece of the Hudson; I will have more comments later. Staufer's Thoroughbreds is a good one - the covers are about off of mine.
That's about it from here for now as I want to post this b4 we are darkened again.
Have a good weekend all.
work safe
A coffee and a bacon sarnie please RUTH.
A lot less busy basement wise this AM so I thought I would drop off a couple of photos from the Narrow Gauge railways in North Wales.
A locomotive shown at the bar before by Nick, Welsh Highland Railway 'Russell'.
A half-size replica of a Darjeeling & Himalayan Class B 0-4-0 'SHERPA'. The locomotive runs on the Fairbourne Railway near Barmouth.
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Back later..
Friday's Grin
Lines To Make You Smile
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.
"They" say our rains have departed - leaving over 3 inches as Gustav's remains headed elsewhere . . .
Friday has arrived ‘n y'all know the drill! Coffee - pastries ‘n breakfasts are ready for ya!
I've been in Email contact with Fergie lately ‘n he's above 70 degrees north - which has put him out of sat comm reach. So, he sends his regards . . . they were heading to Thule, Greenland - not sure if they were putting in, or just doing their "thing" in the vicinity. Anyway - thought some would like to know!
I'll be away from the bar 'til mid-late afternoon . . .
Thursday - September 4th <all times Central daylite>:
Page 16 - Pete <pwolfe> at 1:58 PM: Was wondering whether the weather was keeping you away ‘n since our fone chat, it seems we've both been in the basement! <arrrrgggghhhh>
Good to see ya, Mate ‘n as always, appreciate the time ‘n effort you put into helping to keep things "up" at the bar. We're down to such a precious few that at times I'm wondering whether to pack it in. But, then along comes a guy or two to restore my faith . . .
As mentioned, the new display case is en route <2x3 ft> with plenty of room for additional loco's n tenders. By this time next week I'm hoping all 10 of the locos will have arrived. Next is to find cabooses for each of the locos . . . easier said than done these days <daze>. Some of those vans go for big bucks, whereas the ones I'm looking for sell below $15 - certainly more than adequate for display purposes. I'm thinking that by the time you arrive for our get together, you'll have something new to gaze at in the Can-Am Train Room . . . hopefully NOT water! <grrrrrrrrrrr>
Had me worried with your announcement of the "next 20" <phew> - fortunately was just 10! <grin>
Big Red Engine ‘n Big Rose look fine to me - bet it was a treat to travel behind those beasts, eh
Did you know that you are the ONLY customer who orders any of our featured meals on Thursday - Friday or Saturday Appreciate that as well!
Thanx for the visit, comments, fotos ‘n ROUND!
Page 16- CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 3:25 <4:25 PM EDT>: Didn't expect to see our Resident WVA Connection make it "in" - but we'll take the quarters ‘n ROUND! <grin>
Disruptions in the work place are most unsettling ‘n it surely seems yours have been double-ended ‘n rather prolonged. Would've probably been a good time to take some well earned vacation time . . .
Do appreciate your continued Mon-Fri support here ‘n today's visit to "my other Thread"!
Page 16 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 9:19 PM ‘n 9:34 PM <10:10 PM ‘n 10:34 PM EDT>: Our Manager made it back after a brief hiatus from the bar - work schedule caused that is my guess. Good to see ya!
Enjoyed those snippets from the Montréal Gazette <I used to read it every day on-line until they discontinued the service . . .> Anyway, for whatever the reason, I didn't recall either one! Sailors being rowdy Now that's hard to believe! And my guess is that the character covering up those revealing body parts on the ad posters was probably NICK, disguised of course as a local!
That piece on the Hudson was a "new one" for the bar . . . just recently put it together. But, some of it may have been included in other offerings. Anyway, glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah, I'm absolutely sickened by the return of the basement water situation - sickened.
I'm looking forward to getting going with my latest venture in the Can-Am Train Room - but to say that the leak has put the damper on things <drum roll> hardly humorous! <barf>
Surely hope you'll be returning to a situation where we'll see you during daylite . . . things are getting rather critical ‘round here ‘n who knows where all of this will take us
Do appreciate your support ‘n the twenty helps too! <KaChing> <KaChing>
Reminder: Ruth has the bar from 9 AM until Leon the Night Man comes in at 5 PM ‘til closing.
TODAY is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
Saturday is Steak ‘n All The Trimmings Nite!
Cindy is our Saturday bartender!
WIERD TALES FROM THE BARN # 4 MISSHAPS ON THE MTC Good evening again there Leon, lets see another Keith's a round for the hearty individuals still at the bar.Here's something from the basement archieves.
As we all know streetcar companies by their nature have often had derailment or other problems that would effect their day to day operations. Here's a few examples of some of the miscues that slowed down services on the MTC ( Montreal Tramways Co )These are all old excerpts from the Montreal Gazette. Enjoy Rob Automobile didn't get the blame this time Westbound tramway traffic on St James street near the intersection of Inspector was delayed 20 minutes yesterday morning when a horse, drawing snow for the city,partially slipped down a large manhole. Traffic and work was delayed while a Montreal Tramways Company towing car equipped with a hoist was pressed into service and the horse lifted out. Montreal Gazette Wed , January 12, 1944. Someone is attaching stickers to posters advertising woman's wear so that part of the models body is covered. Attached mostly to the sweater- girl type of advertisement, the stickers are in French. Their message translated ; "Respect Womanhood" , " She is your wife " , "She is your sister" , " She is your mother " , " she is your fiancee ". A spokesman for the Canadian Advertising Co, said last night; " Yes we know about it.There haven't been many stickers. Some crackpot I guess. There is nothing offensive about the cards. We promptly replace any that are defaced. " Officials of the Sacred Heart League here could not be reached for comment. The stickers bear no identification as to their sponser or printer. It is believed that the person applying the stickers has placed his own interpretation on Quebec regulations that frown on nudity or semi nudity pictured or otherwise. Montreal Gazette Fri January 14,1949 and one more for this installment. I figure that Tom and Lars will apprecaite this one. Rene Richard of 6708 Cartier ST and Charles M Tremblay of 3604 Rouen St, both Montreal Tamways employees were admitted to St Luke hospital early yeasterday morning. They were suffering from cuts and other injuries alleged sustained during a streetcar fracus. Police said that at the intersection of St Catharine St West and Atwater two unknown sailors refused to pay their fare and became abusive.No arrests were made. Constables Coupal and Poitras investigated and Pichard and Tremblay were able to return home after treatment. Montreal Gazette Monday Nov 13, 1944 Rob
Good evening Leon , just a quick Keith's tonight and I'll leave a twenty for the morning or afternoon crew.
Tom-To bad to hear about the leakage again, I was hoping that you had it licked.A fine looking stable of steam, there's a little there for just about everyone's fancy I should think.Not a bad RR among them should add
Nice read again on the NYC Hudson's,that size and wheel arangement have long been a personal fave , espeacially with the beautifull Hudson's that once ran up here the Royal and regulars on the CP and the five green Hudson's of the CNR.Even a pair of J1E's graced the rails of the TH&B as well.
Pete-Good to see that you found your lost post You must pay Vito his removal of computer gremlin fee's and you should not be bothered. ( he'll make you pay anyway )Another fine round of steamers as well.Thanks for the info on that war built steam switcher as well
I'm glad that you have also ben enjoying Jeff's site. He's one I've tried to lure here to hang and caht with us but he's declined,between work his family and maintaining that site he's a bit tapped for time.
Shane-Good to hear that you are out of the toxic waste zone ( unless of coarse you go digging around Boris's shed.Many things he does and posesses also creates green looking smoke )
Nick-Seems you've had an active couple days.The RDC was probably faded mind you the photo's old too so it could be a bit of both.
After a most unremarkable morning, we have Pete 'n Shane aboard for the afternoon! Hope springs eternal . . . or something like that!
Been manning the towel-brigade in the basement as the water has been cascading down in the areas thought to have been corrected. Arrrrrgggggghhh. Here we go again - have another "specialist" on the way . . . This MUST be corrected sooner rather than later. Gone too far with it, so it's time to belly-up 'n part with that stash beneath the mattress . . . they are sooooooo insistent on destroying the basement rather than attacking the problem from the outside. <arrrrrggggghhhhh>
Now Arriving on Track Number Two
Classic Locomotives
Number Two - NYC Hudson
Hudson was the name given to the 4-6-4 steam locomotive wheel arrangement by the New York Central Railroad (NYC) who were the first to use locomotives of this type in North America.Although the Milwaukee Road was the first to design such locomotives, naming them Baltics, they didn't get built until after the NYC's Hudsons. The name Baltic for this type was also sometimes used in Europe. Alvin F. Staufer interviewed the Hudson's designer and the NYC's superintendent of motive power, Paul Kiefer, in 1961, and asked about the naming of the type. Kiefer's answer is recounted in Staufer's book, Thoroughbreds:"I asked Pat (Patrick E. Crowley, NYC President, All Lines) if we should name the engine or if he cared about that at all. We were already calling the L class 4-8-2s Mohawks, after the Mohawk Valley and Indians. And then, I'll never forget that moment, he just looked at me; the sun was shining in from the West, it was late in the day. He swung around in his huge brown leather chair, away from me. He stared out the window for the longest time. He swung back and stared at me, his chin in his hand. Finally he spoke, ‘Let's call her the Hudson, after the Hudson River.' I agreed immediately (not that it mattered) and that's how it was. The name stuck. It was a natural."The Hudson came into being because the existing 4-6-2 "Pacific" power was not able to keep up with the demands of longer, heavier trains and faster speeds. Given the New York Central's axle load limits, the Pacific type could not be made any larger; a new locomotive type would be required to carry the larger boiler that Kiefer's research indicated was needed.
Although the Milwaukee Road was the first to design such locomotives, naming them Baltics, they didn't get built until after the NYC's Hudsons. The name Baltic for this type was also sometimes used in Europe. Alvin F. Staufer interviewed the Hudson's designer and the NYC's superintendent of motive power, Paul Kiefer, in 1961, and asked about the naming of the type. Kiefer's answer is recounted in Staufer's book, Thoroughbreds:
"I asked Pat (Patrick E. Crowley, NYC President, All Lines) if we should name the engine or if he cared about that at all. We were already calling the L class 4-8-2s Mohawks, after the Mohawk Valley and Indians. And then, I'll never forget that moment, he just looked at me; the sun was shining in from the West, it was late in the day. He swung around in his huge brown leather chair, away from me. He stared out the window for the longest time. He swung back and stared at me, his chin in his hand. Finally he spoke, ‘Let's call her the Hudson, after the Hudson River.' I agreed immediately (not that it mattered) and that's how it was. The name stuck. It was a natural."
The Hudson came into being because the existing 4-6-2 "Pacific" power was not able to keep up with the demands of longer, heavier trains and faster speeds. Given the New York Central's axle load limits, the Pacific type could not be made any larger; a new locomotive type would be required to carry the larger boiler that Kiefer's research indicated was needed.
<from: Wikipedia.com>
For remainder of article, click: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NYC_Hudson
NYC Hudson 4-6-4 Empire State Express near Syracuse, NY - 1933 <Otto Perry collection/Wikipedia.com>
B&A - NYC subsidiary - Hudson 4-6-4 at Springfield, MA - 1933 <Otto Perry collection/Wikipedia.com>
NYC Streamlined Hudson 4-6-4 at NY World's Fair 1939 <Public Domain>
Click for more info on the Hudson:
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/hudson/nyc.shtml
Enjoy!
Good Afternoon Barkeep and All Present
Just a quick note to let you know that we are back online in our regular quarters. There's still a lot to be done but the roof is completed and the electrical work in my area is done. There is still some furniture to be installed but it's not enough to slow things down. So, tomorrow we go to the end of the building and begin to retrieve boxes, move and unpack them. Gonna be like Christmas at Boris's lift the lid and watch out for what might appear.
Will post more tomorrow. In honor of Lars, Go, Giants!
A round please RUTH
TOM It has slowed to just gentle rain just now after many hours of quite heavy rain. Really hope your basement stays dry we have had a bit of water in ours but not bad and not from the place it was before, still having seen the flooding in Arkansas on the news, where they had 12 inches we have got off light I feel.
Great selection of classic steam locomotives for your display case. Clicking on the model photos shows the great detail on them. It will be a great sight to see them on test on the Can-Am.
Yes I had found the link to the Granite Railway it is very interesting and it is good and deserved that the incline and railway have been included on the National Register of Historic Places. I was a bit by the term ‘frost line' though.
Yes I guess St Louis Union Station lost a lot of its culture when Hooters closed, but seriously I am glad that I was able to see the classic locomotives and cars that was a great and pleasant surprise when I was first there in 2001.
Many thanks for the link to the train display cases it is good to deal with people who have a good recommendation. A display case is something I am certainly giving some thought too after my trip to England, perhaps I may be able to pick up a couple of models while I am there.
I agree about the kids it seems no one in working for a rail company etc nowadays dare say anything to them no matter how badly behaved they are.
Thanks for the info on the US divide I thought there must be a river or something that determined the divide but did know what it was.
I too am looking forward to my visit to see you in a couple of weeks, have booked my Amtrak tickets.
NICK Glad you liked the photos it was good seeing the USATC S160 working on the preserved line.
Just been talking to my mate in England, he says he is getting real fed up with all the rain it sounds even worse where you are. We are getting the effects of Gustav just now with heavy rain they are saying it could give us about 8 inches before its done but nowhere near what they have had to put with in Louisiana.
When you are working on the soil just think how good the produce will be next year. I too am still trying to think about that very early locomotive with the toothed flywheel and it would be great if you can find something out about that building in the photo.
Many thanks for the 465 at Blackheath photo looking forward to the Swiss trains on the layout.
Folks,perhaps you thought, or hoped. I'd forgotten but no here it is: Time for the next 20 of the BR ‘Western' names.
1011 WESTERN THUNDERER
1012 WESTERN FIREBRAND
1013 WESTERN RANGER
1014 WESTERN LEVIATHAN
1015 WESTERN CHAMPION
1016 WESTERN GLADIATOR
1017 WESTERN WARRIOR
1018 WESTERN BUCCANEER
1019 WESTERN CHALLENGER
1020 WESTERN HERO
After that I had better make amends with some photos of a Big (by British standards) Red Engine.
Ex LMS 4-6-2 No.46229 'Duchess of Hamilton. At Chester (above) and Blackburn (below) working the Red Rose steam tour.
46229 passing the ex Midland Railway station at Hellifield before travelling over the Settle & Carlisle line.
Well RUTH another round pleaseand the Fish 'N' Chipslater.
Thursday has arrived - that day before the work-week's ending! Fill up those mugs with our freshly ground ‘n brewed special blend coffee - grab a pastry or three from The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n of course order a <light> or <traditional> breakfast from our Menu Board!
The rains from the remnants of Gustav have arrived - skipped us on Wednesday, but making up for it today. Another "test" for the basement wall . . ."They" say it will be out of here by night fall . . . nothing to worry about 'n in fact the low temps (70s) are MOST enjoyable! <grin>
Petrol is below $3.40, but only by a tenth of a cent. <barf>
(1) Eric is in Sweden ‘n returns home on the 7th . . .
(2) Allan is in Aussie-land ‘n will be gone another week or more . . .
. . . and we have Shane with interruptions in the work place - Fergie at sea in perhaps poor to no sat-comm conditions - Dan "lost" in Sherwood Forest . . . Calling upon ALL who CAN to do so during daylite!
Wednesday - September 3rd <all times Central daylite>:
Page 15 - CM3 Shane <coalminer3> at 9:31 AM <10:31 AM EDT>: Had hoped you'd be able to pick us up sometime this week ‘n Wednesday ‘worked' well!
Email received ‘n responded to - thanx!
To add to the discussion of "first" regarding the Granite Railway ‘n the Baltimore & Ohio - guess it depends on how one interprets CHARTERED and COMMON CARRIER . . . it's all "out there" in the Ether . . . but I'll stick with the B&O as this nation's first passenger railroad . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_Railway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_and_Ohio_Railroad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier
We watched the DVD of The Longest Yard <original> over the weekend ‘n it's a <hoot> fer sure, fer sure! Much better-er than the newer version - on that we agree!
I'll draw a pass on your "quiz" question - as we've had it before ‘n I think you "awarded" me the win!
All kinds of details in those fotos ‘n it doesn't surprise me to note that you've picked up on them <again> - hard not to, eh
I haven't sent you the OH-FISH-UL Email notice of the RR BOOK RELAY 2008! being mailed to you - but Nick did say it was to be sent. Soooooooo . . . . .
Appreciate the visit, chat, ROUND ‘n quarters . . .
Page 15 - Pete <pwolfe> at 11:24 AM: "In" with that lost ‘n found Post! Anyway, you always amaze us with the amount of things you find worthy of comment - especially given the very, very sparse activity ‘round here.
Figured you'd enjoy the Brit posters - especially if you saw some of them in real life!
Yeah, no doubt that KCity's renovated Union Station kept with the theme of the place - trains! St. Louis on the other hand made it clear at the get-go that trains were hardly what they wanted to feature. Now they're stuck with a far les than upscale Mecca for tourism - with perhaps the Fudge Factory being the only "cultural" attraction there. <grin> But one must recall that when KCity began the drive to win public support, the idea was to feature a Science Center for kids - which they still do. Everything else falls in elsewhere - but at least there's an "elsewhere"! Not so in St. Louis.
I enjoyed picking out the first 10 locos for display in my Can-Am Trainroom - there will be plenty of room for others. Check out this site for acrylic train cases . . . I've dealt with them in the past and they are very attentive to the needs of the customer <before ‘n after the sale>. Perhaps you'll find something satisfactory for your needs . . .
http://www.customdisplaycases.com/train_cases.htm
While I think it would be great if VIA Rail were to use one of the lounge areas for movies and the other for socializing - they won't. There's no way they are going to alienate anyone - especially kids. Doesn't matter who is spending the money ‘n paying for the tickets. They are about as weak-in-the-knees <organizationally speaking> as I've encountered. Good idea, though . . . Those lounge areas weren't designed for much more than buy a drink - drink a drink ‘n move on . . .
The UN-OH-FISH-UL divide between east ‘n west for the continguous 48 states is the Mississippi River. So, your observation is RIGHT ON - the Wabash ran domes to Chicago from St. Louis - on the eastern side of the river! Good observation, Mate! BUT, having said that - perhaps the issue date of that ad might have something to do with the statement. Perhaps the ad was before Wabash introduced the domes . . . don't know.
There were NO railroads in north America to rival the numbers of RDCs in use compared to the B&M ‘n NH. They had fleets to be envied fer sure, fer sure.
That GG1 in the foto is <neat> - we've discussed it before, but you ‘n Shane are the Eagle Eyes ‘round here!
The bus portion of the new downtown transportation center is open for business - Greyhound is operating there. Amtrak is behind schedule with their end of things - which we observed during Rendezvous III.
Am looking forward to our get together in a couple of weeks ‘n hoping we have a decent afternoon <weather wise> for our visit to the StL MoT in Kirkwood! Doesn't matter what the weather is once we're entrenched at the TrainWreck Saloon, eh
Much appreciation for your "found" Post, chat ‘n ROUND!
Page 16 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 6:32 PM <1:32 AM Thursday GMT>: Challenge rendered - challenge responded! Cheers, Mate! <clink>
Page 16 - Nick <nickinwestwales at 8:03 PM ‘n 8:28 PM <2:03 AM 2:28 AM Thursday GMT>: Back with a fine < I3 > offering along with appreciated wit, insights ‘n humor! Appreciate the foto of the train <'n strolling gals> at the station -a treat!
Wondering if you are using the REFRESH feature on your browser Mentioned because I surely thought you'd pick up on Pete's "friend" ‘n my response <6:58 PM> to your "challenge."
Nothing or no one remains the same - you can take that to the bank. It's a reality of life that at times can be rather disconcerting. I recall when visiting my old haunts in NY City - after having been gone for 25 years - it was most devastating to the heart witnessing the CHANGES that had taken place. Tree lined streets with frame houses gave way to sterile brick ‘n mortar buildings. The "woods" we used to play in were gone-zo along with many ponds ‘n lakes on our island - Staten Island to be precise. It was a bummer, big time. Even "the city" <aka: Manhattan> had its CHANGES, but moreso with people than features. Skyscrapers seemingly right below the cloud level pretty much remained as remembered, but the people - now that's another story. Charm was gone-zo. All of that from 1981 - I can just imagine "it" today . . . <barf> And the East River too had its share of bodies moving with the tides . . . <uh oh>
Toby-revisited was enjoyable - shared it with the bride as we both have strong OH-PIN-YUNs regarding rude ‘n ignorant.
Remember our House Rules, Mate <yours!> politics have no place ‘round here. Anyone who votes for looks over brains ‘n talk over accomplishments, deserves what they get . . . but I'll take Sarah ‘n her values over the narrow ‘n shallow minded any day. A pity that the anecdotal know-it-alls are able to permeate one's ability to think things through for themselves . . . Oooooops - see what YOU started! <uh oh>
Appreciate the visits - all three!
Do have a request though - PLEASE consider stopping by the bar FIRST when you log in. The reason is apparent - we are hurting for activity, really hurting. So the longer we go between Posts the worse it gets . . . just look at the times between Posts <including mine> ‘n you'll see what I mean. Even a word or three with perhaps ONE foto, really helps . . . until you're able to return with inclusive commentary . . . thanx!
Thanx for the ROUND, etc. . . .
TODAY is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Friday is Pizza ‘n Beer Nite! - and - Steak ‘n Fries Nite!
O.K-first up forTOM-here is the train at Blackheath:-
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Apologies for not showing it earlier.......
Right-now to model time:- some pix of Alans Swiss trains running on the layout
No-sorry-looks like I havn`t loaded them in yet and as its 3 A.M I don`t think its gonna happen tonight-gotta do the whole parent thing in the morning `cos herself is off to North Wales for a meeting...
Right-be with you when I can tomorrow,sleep well
all the best ,
Nick
Right-all still here-jolly good,now where was I-oh yes beer-Leon-same again please old thing-plus a tray of snacks if you would be so good,top man
O.K-post time-
ROB-How goes it mate ?-glad you enjoyed the trip pix-was a grand day out ,generally,I am excused singing duties -opinion is divided on my vocal skills,I think I sound like Keef,everybody else thinks I sound like an accident in an abbatoir...........(a fine distinction I feel) Was a good train shed moment-H. has her own Thomas ,Annie & Claribel but much prefers Daddy`s and Grandads trains (smart kid) nice C.N pix-the R.D.C seems to have an unusual orange colour on the ends-is this just fading ?
TOM-Old Mother London-well mate ,to be honest ,I didnt recognise most of it-hugely changed since I was last there-all shiny new and completely without character-my dear old gran (rest her soul) would be completely lost (she was a true Cockney)-I think (but am not sure) that the pub in one of the pix is the old Marquis of Granby,-a true east end villains boozer (the bodies could be dumped straight into the river,to go out on the tide)-now its full of thousands of `Tobys` with pink shirts,B.M.W`s and important deals to be done............
Speaking of `Tobys`-small Hannah was completely unprompted in her destruction of his ego-which made it all the better and yes-she is growing like a weed in summer-she gets her looks and charm from her mother and her height from my side ( at 6` dead,I am the shortest male on mums side-the average is about 6`3" topping out at my cousin John at 6`7")
PETE-Fine pix of the U.S 2-8-0 and the B1
TOM-a fine piece on the Columbian -another gap filled in my mental library-also a splendid R.D.C piece-full marks there mate -well then-still not locked out-we must be on probation again right-nobody say anything critical of Kalmbach please-we wouldnt want to damage their delicate sensibilities would we............
SHANE-Good to see you as well my dear chap-trust me,living here alchemists are no problem-we have several major ports (plus an international airport ) in this part of the world where customs consists of a big sign saying " If you have anything to declare,please phone this number"........Honest -Its ridiculous but true-I could drive into this country in a Sherman tank and the worst I might expect would be advice to pull over to let traffic pass...........
Good luck with the tarbabies-remember to stay upwind-but hey-these guys WORK with this stuff.......
Quotes:-" Are you two poLICEmen ? " "No Ma`am,we are musicians"........
" 4 whole roast chickens & two slices of dry toast.............." Over to you mate
PETE-Wotcher mate-One of the great sadnesses in my life is not seeing the great Rory G. -a true blues genius and one of the great sons of Erin..
Now back to business-no further info on the Pen-Y-Darren engine-but still looking,produce:-yes,delighted to get that much from a 10`x 30` plot on a damp summer......I can forsee at least one weekend digging in a load of well rotted organic #2 just to fatten up the soil for next year...no pain,no gain as they say....
London chimneys-no idea at the moment ,but will have a scoop through the A-Z in the morning,see what I can find-mobile phones are the devils work-the thin end of the wedge-can`t be doing with them.........
Now then,I know the real world isn`t allowed here ,but what about that Sarah Palin chick-Wow-a real nutters nutter-be very careful how you vote guys-remember-McCain could drop dead anytime..................................nuff said
Right-gonna post again,then model pix
<personal foto - Pete's "friend" aboard the Chaleur>
Just happened to be looking "in" and caught Nick's challenge . . . Save your wages! But of COURSE each of those steamers will get a fair "test" run of the mainlines - both directions!
Something special about a rainy night at the Pub, eh Aw what the "H" - have another - A drink for our man from Wales 'n serve the house one on me as well! Ring the bell Boris!
Well good evening gentlemen all and happy hump day (?)....
Right then Leon-as its a cold and generally horrid night out there (gales,driving rain and a 7.8 metre tide doing a mini New Orleons to the cottages along the river bank ) how about a round of winter warmers,just to get us all in shape-Newcastle Brown for the first shout,Marstons Pedigree after that then the rich dark tones of Belhaven 90 shilling ale ( a pint of heavy ) to see us through the evening.......
So then,lots to do-but first,a small wager.......I will stake a weeks drink for the house ( oh yes) against a small bag of unsalted nuts that the new Can-Am steam fleet will NOT make it from the boxes to the display case without a wee scamper round the line-I defy our generous host not to be entranced by the whirling con rods & valve gear,and,once tried I would further wager that room might be found in the confines of Union Station for a fantrip special working of one of those beauties with a set of green C.N cars.........................................
In fact,I am gonna post this now so that the man himself has a chance to respond.....
Pete made it "in" with that mysteriously lost ‘n found Post! Hmmmmmm - we can't have Gremlins foolin' with our Interim Governor General! Good to see ya . . .
Steam Locomotives for the Can-Am Trainroom #2
The final five of the steam locos on the way to my Can-Am Trainroom !
(6) CN Mikado 2-8-2 <IHC>
(7) NYC Prairie 2-6-2 <Bachmann>
(8) PRR Santa Fe 2-10-2 <IHC>
(9) NH Hudson 4-6-4 <Bachmann>
(10) B&O Mikado 2-8-2 <IHC>
A cup of coffee and a bacon sarnie please RUTH.
TOM. As you say in Monday's smile to begin the week. Mr. Grenade would not have been the computer's friend last night if I had one I rewrote my post, saved and logged off before that up came Hi Tom and all (Recovered) with my original post back from the ether. If you did not you would
Many thanks for the U.K. railway posters I have only seen a couple of them before. It was great that when British Railways were formed in 1948 they carried on the tradition of the Big Four in really good quality posters like the Queen of Scots and the Windsor ones. The LMS locomotive in the Express & Cunard Liner is one of ex Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway ‘Dreadnought' 4-6-0s introduced in 1908 and rebuilt 1921, the last one was withdrawn by BR by 1953. Love the teak dining car in the LNER poster.
It seems there is a greatly different attitude to railroads in the Union Stations at St Louis and Kansas City. At KC they have a railroad museum and a large model railroad set up in the entrance around Christmas time. Like when we have visited the shops, they must do at least some trade from the Amtrak passengers. I wonder if the new bus exchange by the Amtrak station in St Louis will have at least a coffee shop, so passengers can get a drink and a snack.
I have had a look a some British models and as you say a lot of them come with DCC, which adds to the price but is not needed in a display case, must admit though I am having fun thinking of what locos I would have in the case. Classes I have seen in BR service I think.
As you say about the Renaissance lounge areas they really should have one for the kids and one for adults, I imagine the sales counter would not do a lot of trade when it is just the kids watching TV or such, compared with a group of adults socializing and having a few beers.
Glad you enjoyed the photos, I am not sure what is happing at the Maritime Museum in Cardiff, as I have not been there for several years now.
Thanks for the link to the RDC 3 with the passenger accommodation as a comparison to the all mail in the one in Rob's photo.
Many thanks for the Back in the Day on the B&O Columbian. Looking at the map it is amazing nowadays the number of ways of getting from St Louis to Washington there was in 1960 by train, not counting going up to Chicago and catching the Columbian.
I see in the text it said it was the only train in the "Eeastern US" to be equipped with dome cars, this led me to wonder what place or river determines the east from the west in the US. As I think we were reading about dome cars running from St Louis to Chicago a little while back.
Great photos I noticed the GG1 in the one of the steamer leaving Washington D.C. and that was a really great livery that suited the EMD and the cars on the Columbian.
Great to see in the 3 years since the RDC ads shown recently, how they became very popular with certain lines especially the NH ordering 40.That is a great photo of the pair leaving Boston South Station I remember CM3 providing details on the photo.
NICK I did not get to see Them but did see Taste with Rory Gallagher in the late 1960s in an all night concert with other acts in London, on the Saturday morning, after the concert, I caught the train back home and put in a few hours overtime, I was young then.
I had a look at a couple of web sites and they show the Penydarren loco with a smoothed edged flywheel, but I seem to recall seeing a similar loco with a tooth- edged flywheel, interesting.
It seems not too bad a crop of produce considering the awful weather there as been in Britain this year. There is nothing like the taste of home grown tomatoes
Many thanks for the photos of London; what a great sky in photos 3 & 4 if an artist had painted it they would say the clouds were far fetched. Do you know what the building is with the 4 large chimneys is in the right side of photo 3.
The last time I took a river trip on the Thames was on a school trip in the early 60s there have been a great deal of change on the riverside since then.
I see Hannah has found a 4- legged friend; I wish I could have been on that train with the guy with the mobile phone, well done Hannah. To think they are considering their use on aircraft, can you imagine 4AM on the redeye over the Atlantic with someone yelling there head off in to a phone.
ROB Glad you liked the photos.
Yes Jeff's web site has great collection of the ships that are on the Great Lakes.
Many thanks for the CN photos I can always look at locomotives and railways in the snow and a great photo of the RDC 3 by your uncle, it would be great if it still did exist today. I noticed the numbers on the cab side if the Geep #7046 seem in a different style.
The S 160s came over to Britain and did work some trains on BR before they were shipped to Main Land Europe. The RR Relay Book Steel Rails to Victory has some great photos of these locomotives in Britain and in Europe.
CM3 Glad you enjoyed the photos. With the Port Of Tyne loco I believe our factory made the traction motor, we had had two of the design including the prototype which was named Mazda, both of which were preserved,. We had quite a network of rail tracks at the works, so tales for Rendezvous IV perhaps.
That is interesting about the Historic Documents being this side of the Atlantic during the war. It makes sense especially in the dark days of 1940 when an invasion of Britain looked imminent. I guess it was top secret at the time but it would be fascinating to know what treasures were sent overseas during that time.
Thanks for the information on the Granite Railway.
Well RUTH I'm afraid this has got a bit long so a round please while I look at Tom.s models.
Wednesday once again ‘n time for an installment for our OP-SHUN-UL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day! Since Shane has visited in daylite - that enables me to reciprocate . . .
Steam Locomotives for the Can-Am Trainroom #1
These locomotives are on order <10 total> ‘n will be placed in an acrylic display case for viewing in my Can-Am Trainroom!
First five . . .
(1) PRR USRA 0-6-0 <Bachmann>
(2) NYC Mikado 2-8-2 <IHC>
(3) CN Mogul 2-6-0 <Bachmann>
(4) B&O Santa Fe 2-10-2 <IHC>
(5) CP Mikado 2-8-2 <IHC>
Next five later - when someone else Posts during daylite!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Beautiful weather here today-temperatures in the 80s and clear. Gasoline prices jumped up a dime and back down again just as quickly yesterday. I am working upstream of the roofers today. This is truly nasty stuff which makes green looking smoke when it is dropped into the cooker. We are also getting furniture installed in office space so I am elsewhere.
Pete has been by with lots of material. Enjoyed the Port of Tyne locomotive. There were a lot of documents related from the UK to this side of the Atlantic during the war. The Magna Carta reappeared here on exhibit again. I remember seeing it while in DC but for the life of me I can't remember whether it was displayed at the National Archives, the Capital, or at LC. For some reason the Capital sticks in my memory. IIRC, the Granite Railway preceded the B&O in this country. Also, Trevethick engine is a fascinating bit of technology.
Rob was by with pictures and comment - a lot of enjoyable reading there.
Allan was in as well.
Nick - Good comments and stories. Agree with you on the "Blues Brothers." A mission from God, indeed. Sorry you had some trouble with the chemical engineers. Excellent travelogue and the cell phone story is outstanding. That's what I like about quiet cars on Amtrak.
OSP - PRR S1 was part of a strange experimental period that the PRR had. Many people believe that some of their designs would have worked out if the diesel had not trumped everything. The Denali Star picture enlarged nicely. Also enjoyed pictures of the lounge car and the LMS posters and other material you sent along. Smokestacks stand for progress in that Cunard poster for sure,
IMHO, you have picked two outstanding moves. "Caddyshack" is a real good one and you have selected the best and IMHO, the only version of the "Longest Yard." Also liked the B&O material. For you detail hounds, what's to the left of the B&O train in the Otto Perry picture made at Washington? The New Haven Budd shots were good as well. Block "NH" is the second livery for them. The RDC train is on the Old Colony line immediately after departing South Station.
Well, off to class - HAZCOM this time.
Will try and post more later.
Work safe
Wednesday's Witticism
A man who hunts trouble in a saloon is apt to pass in his chips with sawdust in his beard.
And it's mid-week in mid-continent USA with the remnants of Gustav getting close. Making things wet, but cooler!
Collusion Corner is at it again - prices jumped 20 cents over nite when the hurricane neared the oil rigs - then when world prices dropped dramatically by the barrel, they're STILL up there. Yeah, ‘n we're supposed to believe . . . Dontchaluv the double-standard
It's been OVER a month since we were LOCKED at Page 63 . . . others are still perking along with far more than that. Yeah, right. <barf>
That aroma is our freshly ground ‘n brewed special blend coffee along with some fine pastries in The Mentor Village Bakery Case! <ummmmmmm> Check out our Menu Board for a <light> or <traditional> breakfast before heading out for the day . . .
It's "You Post, I Post" during daylite at the Bar by the Ballast!
Tuesday - September 2nd <all times Central daylite>:
Page 15 - Pete <pwolfe> at 11 AM ‘n 6:01 PM: Sorry ‘bout the ‘puter issues ‘n your lost Post. My suggestion - made before - is to shorten those epistles of yours - at least that way the loss won't be as grave. Even making a succession of brief visits is better than dropping the entire load. <ugh>
Nice spate of fotos before noon - helped to keep things on track in the AM slot . . .
Always like to view those great Brit tenders . . . smart looking, fer sure, fer sure!
Thanx for the ROUND in the PM ‘n the good cheer in the AM!
Page 15 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:03 PM <11:03 PM EDT>: Nice to see ya, Mate - been a really slooooooooooow day ‘n nite here at the Bar by the Ballast. Guess we should get used to it, for as the daylite Posts dwindle so do my offerings . . . spells DROUGHT to my way of thinking.
Your petrol drops 9 cents, ours rises 20 . . . go figger that, eh
Well, my stance on jumping into the steam loco craze didn't last long - I weakened! <uh oh> Figured why not I'm not making rail trips to Canada at the frequency I used to‘n they surely cost a hulluvalot more than the locos ‘n case. Logic, eh Call it - justification! I call this expenditure, "The trip I didn't make to the UK with Pete - purchase," and there's quite a bit left over for MORE stuff! <uh oh>
There's no wood in the cases I've purchased - all acrylic <not Lucite as I've been incorrectly saying>. Never saw ‘em in retail stores ‘round these parts . . . also locos purchased via the net are tax-free ‘n without shipping costs. Hard to beat that in a LHS . . . plus, I'm not running these things - just displays, so there shouldn't be a need for service.
Can only conjecture regarding the presence of a 378 ft Hamilton-class cutter in the Welland . . . just doesn't make sense. We have no missions in the Great Lakes to justify such a thing. Had to be something extra-special to pull one of those away from their blue-water missions.
Many thanx for the nite visit . . . just no one around to appreciate it!
Thursday is Fish ‘ Chips Nite!
Good evening Leon , just a nice pitcher of the draft of the day sir. An odd one weatherwise today started out foggy ended up hitting near the nineties On the upside with Gustav not being as bad as originally predicted took the wind out of the gas price sales , dropped almost nine cents a litre over night to a measily $1.21 a litre.
Tom-Interesting selection of stuff today. Nice new read on the B&O which was top drawer and I always like the ole RDC info, interesting link as well.That RDC 3 I posted the picture of was apparently the only one to survive into the VIA era , not sure if it still exists now though.
WE did see the odd USCG cutter in the canal, and yes Jeff only took shots in either the Welland canal or the odd time the Detroit River.I wonder if they sent it to the upper lakes for some training or soemthing,Every once in a while a large Canadian Ice breaking cutter will come up the canal usually with some trainee's on board.
I don't dabble in plastic steam much either,two Spectrum Consolidations are my steam fleet both modified to standard CNR practice,they don't see much action however.I've priced out those cabinets as well, the prices are always awfully high,perhaps atrip to teh lumber yard is a better option ,that or I'm not sure of stores in your neck of the woods but up here we have stroes that sell store cabinets which are sometimes cheaper than those advertised in the magazines.
Pete-Some fine looking steamers as always. The 0-8-0 a nice one.Something that came over in the lend lease era perhaps
First ‘n foremost - take heart Sir Moderation - in fact take the evening OFF ‘n try again in the ‘morrow. Just KNOWING that you wanted to Post means more than you may realize.
Have a LARGE tankard of Bathams on Da Bossman!
Now, in keeping with the "You Post, I Post" mantra - here's mine while it's still daylite <fading fast!>
PASSENGER TRAIN NOSTALGIA #18
<Initially Posted on 03 Nov 2005, Page 154 at "Our" Place I>
40 RDC's FOR THE PROGRESSIVE NEW HAVEN
If anybody should know how to carry passengers profitably it's the New Haven. Nearly half its income is derived from this source in contrast with most railroads where freight is king.
This adds significance to the fact that the New Haven has become the largest purchaser of Budd RDC's - stainless steel, self-propelled, rail diesel cars.
In the nearly three years RDC's have been operating in this country and abroad they have compiled an impressive record. In performance, they have improved every schedule they were assigned to. In operation they have proved both reliable and economical - two RDC's saved one railroad $600,000 in a year. In the comfortable, air-conditioned service they render, RDC's have increased passenger patronage - one RDC, operating in a new service between Worcester and New London, picked up 944 passengers in its first week.
The Budd Company, Philadelphia, Detroit, Gary
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NH RDC1 #41 (foto credit: unknown/www.trainweb.org)
NH RDC3 #125 w/RDC1 (foto credit: B. Coolidge/www.trainweb.org)
NH RDC1 #40 and #37 (foto credit: B. Coolidge/www.trainweb.org)
A strong one please LEON.
Lost todays post, nearly finished, when the word locked up up after the puter decided to load something up by itself.The bride has tried for nearly an hour to get it back but it looks gone forever.
Some great posts to reply to so I will start again in a while..
Meanwhile a round please Leon.
Saved again by the Wolfman who recognized the morning gap between my AM acknowledgments ‘n the VOID . . . many thanx, Mate! Will address your Post in my next go ‘round . . .
Now Arriving on Track # 1
Back in the Day - Number Twenty Two
Baltimore & Ohio's Columbian
B&O Columbian 1960 System Map <Public Domain>
The Columbian was a named passenger train operated by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. It was the all-coach supplemental train of the all-Pullman Capitol Limited. The train's initial route was between Jersey City, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., but in 1941 the Columbian route was lengthened to Jersey City - Chicago, Illinois.The Columbian between Jersey City and Washington was the first air-conditioned passenger train in North America. Air-conditioned equipment began operating on the train on May 24, 1931.In 1949, a brand new lightweight Columbian train set for travel between Baltimore, Maryland, via Washington to Chicago was built. The consists were ordered from Pullman-Standard for April, 1949 delivery and these two train sets have the distinction of being the only all-new consists built for the B&O in the postwar period. These two eight-car streamlined trains were the only trains in the eastern U.S. to be equipped with dome cars. Although the pair were intended as a daytime operation between Chicago and Baltimore by way of Washington the two new trains entered overnight service May 5, 1949. On April 26, 1958, the B&O discontinued all passenger service between Jersey City and Baltimore, Maryland, and thereafter the eastern terminus of the Columbian was Baltimore. By the early 1960s, the Columbian was combined with the B&O's formerly all-Pullman Capitol Limited between Washington and Chicago. When Amtrak took over train service on May 1, 1971, the B&O's combined Capitol Limited - Columbian was discontinued, along with all other B&O long-distance passenger trains. <from: Wikipedia.com>
The Columbian was a named passenger train operated by the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad. It was the all-coach supplemental train of the all-Pullman Capitol Limited. The train's initial route was between Jersey City, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., but in 1941 the Columbian route was lengthened to Jersey City - Chicago, Illinois.The Columbian between Jersey City and Washington was the first air-conditioned passenger train in North America. Air-conditioned equipment began operating on the train on May 24, 1931.In 1949, a brand new lightweight Columbian train set for travel between Baltimore, Maryland, via Washington to Chicago was built. The consists were ordered from Pullman-Standard for April, 1949 delivery and these two train sets have the distinction of being the only all-new consists built for the B&O in the postwar period. These two eight-car streamlined trains were the only trains in the eastern U.S. to be equipped with dome cars. Although the pair were intended as a daytime operation between Chicago and Baltimore by way of Washington the two new trains entered overnight service May 5, 1949. On April 26, 1958, the B&O discontinued all passenger service between Jersey City and Baltimore, Maryland, and thereafter the eastern terminus of the Columbian was Baltimore. By the early 1960s, the Columbian was combined with the B&O's formerly all-Pullman Capitol Limited between Washington and Chicago. When Amtrak took over train service on May 1, 1971, the B&O's combined Capitol Limited - Columbian was discontinued, along with all other B&O long-distance passenger trains.
The Columbian between Jersey City and Washington was the first air-conditioned passenger train in North America. Air-conditioned equipment began operating on the train on May 24, 1931.
In 1949, a brand new lightweight Columbian train set for travel between Baltimore, Maryland, via Washington to Chicago was built. The consists were ordered from Pullman-Standard for April, 1949 delivery and these two train sets have the distinction of being the only all-new consists built for the B&O in the postwar period. These two eight-car streamlined trains were the only trains in the eastern U.S. to be equipped with dome cars. Although the pair were intended as a daytime operation between Chicago and Baltimore by way of Washington the two new trains entered overnight service May 5, 1949.
On April 26, 1958, the B&O discontinued all passenger service between Jersey City and Baltimore, Maryland, and thereafter the eastern terminus of the Columbian was Baltimore. By the early 1960s, the Columbian was combined with the B&O's formerly all-Pullman Capitol Limited between Washington and Chicago. When Amtrak took over train service on May 1, 1971, the B&O's combined Capitol Limited - Columbian was discontinued, along with all other B&O long-distance passenger trains.
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B&O Columbian - Harper's Ferry, WV - 1949 <Public Domain>
B&O Columbian departing WashDC - 1939 <Otto Perry foto/Wikipedia.com/Fair Use>
B&O Columbian at Thomas Viaduct - 1949 <Public Domain>
Just time for a quick coffee and a bacon sarnie please RUTH.
Be back later on with my post but I thought I would drop of a couple of photos this AM .
Two phots of U.S.A. Transportation Corps 2-8-0, I believe class S 160, on the preserved East Lancs Railway. The first one is at their Bury Bolton Street station.
At one end of the ELR, # 5820 stands at Rawtenstal station
Ex LNER class B1 No.61264 at Loughborough on the Great Central Railway just visible to the left of the B1 is Royal Mail TPO carriage.
Back in a bit.
A smile to begin the week!
"When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend."- U.S. Marine Corps
Temps have returned to the 90s (F) with the arrival of September . . . one more day of "it" then the remnants of Gustav arrive in these parts to cool things down . . . can fall be that far away <grin>
Coffee is ready - pastries fresh from Mama ‘n Papa Grundledink's Mentor Village Bakery! And of course, our menu board lists those tasty <light> ‘n <traditional> breakfast selections!
RR BOOK RELAY 2008! Being mailed TODAY - en route Shane in WVA!
(2) Allan departed for Aussie-land ‘n will be gone for 2 weeks . . .
Monday - September 1st <all times Central daylite>:
Page 15 - Pete <pwolfe> at 10:16 AM: Good to see ya on the holiday morning - doesn't appear anyone else is up ‘n about the decks! <geesh>
Haven't seen anything lately regarding plans for Union Station ‘n the track area. Last I saw - which we discussed - was the "blurb" about management wanting to remove the cars ‘n few remaining tracks. Looks like they're doing it . . . <barf> Really boggles the mind when you think of the place NOT having trains - at all. When they first opened it up after remodeling the joint, they had a fine looking train store - chock full of model trains <expensive, of course>. But, it kind of set the stage for the experience of visiting the station. It was located on the Maggie O'Brien's side of the station, so that when you entered, the train store was the first thing one would pass by. Had an elevated G-gauge track that ran inside ‘n outside of the store. Really neat to see - now it's all gone-zo. Then there were sidings with static displays of cars ‘n some privately owned ones in operating mode. Now all of that is gone-zo. Of course at the get-go, the developers didn't want Amtrak - so we know the history of that. A real travesty, in my not-so-humble OH-PIN-YUN!
Whether recent or not, seems to me you've been showing Alan's fotos from Germany ‘n other Euro locations for at least a couple of years. That sounds like the "life' for Moi!
Really haven't honed in on any firm selections for the new display case. In fact, I haven't ordered the case yet. Just something I'm "fighting" myself over - in the "should I" or "should I not" mode at present. Yeah, it's only money . . . <grin> But now that the "bug" has entered my feeble mind, it will be hard not to follow thru . . . The road names will be those I can relate to - PRR - NYC - NH - B&O - B&M - CN & CP . . . others to follow, of course. I've thought of some Brit ‘n Euro locos too . . . <grin>
The display cases are now nearly at the priced-too-high stage for me and shipping is ridiculously priced. Locos are unbelievably expensive - especially since I'm not planning to run ‘em - so I'm not interested in DCC w/sound, etc. Just the down ‘n dirty simple ones for me - hard to find in these times. And I'm NOT about to get involved with eBay . . . not for me. Don't want to wind up with someone else's problems or junk. So, all of this will be taking more time to evolve . . .
That so called lounge area in the Renaissance service car makes me laugh - in a cynical way. There's just no comparison to be made with the areas put aside for socializing in the Budd consists. Even though we "managed" to use them to our advantage, remember the night the kids ‘n the movies put an end to our evening That wouldn't have happened in the Budd consists . . .
Many thanx for the historical fotos at Cardiff . . . something I surely didn't know of, but thanx to you ‘n "Our" Place - do now!
Looking forward to our mid-September get together . . .
Always appreciate the visits, chat, fotos ‘n ROUND!
Page 15 - Nick <nickinwestwales> at 7:37 PM ‘n 8:44 PM <1:37 AM ‘n 2:44 AM Tuesday GMT>: First off, you Email was received ‘n responded to . . .
Foto display of your week away came thru in brilliant ‘n clear fashion! All kinds of things to gaze at . . . Your little one is growing, Mate! <grin> I wouldn't have been able to pick modern-day London out of a line-up - now I can!
"Toby" appears to have been one of those guys who frequents public places <restaurants, theatres, etc.> with cell fone firmly implanted in his ear. One of the drawbacks as a result of the unintended consequences of technology. <barf> Hooray for Hanna - way to go, kid!
Station shot of interest - the gals strolling along the platform - track - graffiti at trackside - but where's the train <grin>
Tower bridge - the wheel - river shots all <top shelf>!
Should I pursue the Brit steamers - I'll surely keep your advice in mind, although $200 is far too steep for my budget - especially since those locos will be consigned to a display case.
Couple of ROUNDs appreciated along with your two-fer! Brightened up the joint . . .
Page 15 - Rob <trolleyboy> at 10:59 PM <11:59 PM EDT>: Wondered whether we'd see you on this Monday holiday - ‘n there you were doing a late-nite appearance.
Liked your trio of fotos - especially the RDC-3 - don't see many of them anymore. They could be configured for two arrangements: a 40 passenger section - or - as an RPO with a baggage section.
A link for some RDC-3s:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=92867
As I mentioned, since I'm not planning to operate any of those steam locos - except to make sure they run ‘n perhaps for foto ops - there's absolutely no need to go <top drawer>. Sitting in the display case justifies that . . .
Your friend does have several USCG vessels in his collection - one is a sister ship of my last hurrah . . . if all of those were taken at the canal - I'd love to know what that 378 ft cutter was doing up your way - seagoing USCG ship in the Great Lakes - a rarity fer sure, fer sure. Since I've been "removed" from it all for TWENTY YEARS - I'm not in the loop. A truly remarkable collection of ships, fer sure, fer sure.
Many thanx for the visit, chat ‘n fotos!
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