G'day Gents!
Not bad for a Monday holiday 'round the Tavern by the Tracks!
NOTE: Wolfman Pete has been experiencing those 'puter Gremlins 'n is trying to get "in," but . . . <uh oh>
Now Arriving on Track #1
A Nickel's Worth of Classic Covers!
Number Six
(1) RR Magazine - 1943 - Fisherman & Engineers
(2) RR Magazine - 1945 - Annual Speed Survey
(3) RR Magazine - 1944 - Electrification
(4) RR Magazine - 1952 - The Virginian
(5) RR Magazine - 1954 - The Train That Makes a Thousand Stops
Enjoy!
Tom
Missed any
#1 . . . Page 117
#2 . . . Page 123
#3 . . . Page 135
#4 . . . Page 145
#5 . . . Page 153
HELP WANTED! This Thursday <and maybe Friday> we will be minus two of our most supportive guys - Eric 'n Pete. So, c'mon regulars 'n irregulars - belly up to the bar on those days - daytime preferred, but anytime appreciated! Thanx . . .
I'm talking to RON (DD1) - FERGIE (Fergmiester) - DAN (DL-UK) - JAN (JanOlov) - CHRIS (MoPacBarrettTunnel) - MIKE (wanswheel) - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) - Rob (trolleyboy) - ALLAN (Gunneral) - and - LARS (LoveDomes). THANX again!!
Here's a third installment of our recent trip to the StL Museum of Transportation <Kirkwood, MO> by the Wolfman 'n Moi!
#13 Alton & Southern #12 0-8-0. Built by ALCO - 1926. 8-wheel switcher; 3-cylinder design. In dire need of TLC ‘n $$$$$.
#14 St. Louis Refrigerator Car Co. #3600. Built in 1904. Steel framed, wood bodied with horsehair insulation, shredded paper or wood shavings. Carried pre-cooled beer <note THAT, Pete!!> for Anheuser-Busch.
#15 Terminal Railroad #318 0-8-0. Built by TRRA in 1928. 8-wheel switcher noted for being first one-piece cast bed incorporating cylinders.
#16 Interesting TRRA herald.
#17 Chicago, Burlington & Quincy <Burlington Route> #9939A. Built by EMD in 1950. Model E8A. Original 2.250 hp upgraded to 2.400 hp.
#18 Arkansas & Missouri #22. Built by ALCO in 1943. Model RS-1. 1000 hp; first road switcher.
Enjoy! <we did>
Hi Tom and all.
As Tom as said I have problems getting on the internet today with a problem with the wireless connection by it finally decided to work, so a round please LEON
ERIC It was a bit easier for Tom to keep track of me at Kirkwood, if I wandered off Tom could follow my tracks in the snow.
I am looking forward to my scanner arriving many thanks for the offer of help when it arrives.
Glad you liked Alan's photos. I enjoyed your photos, thanks for sharing. Was the quiz photo taken at a place called Pipe City, I guess on the East Coast. The DB electric is quite a good looking locomotive, I bet you could have stopped the loco right by the steps when you were a driver.
JAN Great to see you in the bar. I often found that it wasn't when the works was busy and I was working a long hours and weekends it seemed it wasn't when I was doing them I felt real tired but when things got back to normal.
Glad you enjoyed the photos.
The truck on the rails I think is used for the maintenance of the track but the day I took the photo was the only time I have seen one hauling freight cars. I am afraid I don't know anything about that Russian diesel I agree the loco seems to have a character to it.
Great company logos in your post.
Many thanks for those great Observation Car photos that Union Pacific train on the record Los Angeles to New York run certainly is unique looking.
LARS Thanks for the round. I said the Giants would win,, seriously although I did not see all the game, but from what I saw they played real well and deserved the win. Best of luck to them in the SuperBowl.
Don't know where you get the idea I have seen the inside of a few pubs. It reminded me of when I played skittles, we played a game against a team from over 20 miles away who we had not played before, anyway the landlord of the pub came with them and seeing me came up and said "How are You", a team mate of mine heard this and said "How come ALL the pub landlords know you"
We are very lucky here to have a great pub, I was there Saturday and was talking to youngish couple from Columbia and they stay a night in a hotel now and then just to have a night at Pat's. Says it all.
OK it's a deal if you ever get to the Train Wreck saloon with Tom and I, I will get the first round and if Allan or any other regulars are there great.
Great set of covers from the Larsman Mobile. I bet ‘Follow the Flag is a good read and there is a lot of power on that train in the DVD showing the double-header led by the SP locomotive on Sunshine Livery.
ROB It's OK to have sunny and 70 degrees in January but it is what comes after it that is the problem.
TOM Great to talk to you today. Still no idea what the problem is with the connection but I have to keep re starting the puter and finally it connected but lost it again when I fiddled about with it but got it back. Hope it behaves it self tomorrow.
Two great films on at the Emporium this week. The sounds like a good police movie with Tom Selleck in Stone Cold and good action in the Bourne Ultimatum, and the Stooges causing their usual mayhem.
Hi Tom and all,
A round of Tui`s for all the crew as usual please Leon!
To all you guys. Just in for a quick visit today, the State funeral for Sir Ed Hillary has just finished and just could`nt miss the occasion which was live on TVNZ, it was a great send off for such a colossus of a man. Sherpa Tentsing`s son gave a very moving eulogy to Sir Ed, as well as all the family and friends. A very, very moving occasion!
Unfortunately will not be able to get in until Thursday again, we have to be in Napier tomorrow, so I will catch up with you all and acknowledge all your great posts, info, and pics then!
Eric. Just in case I don`t see you before your surgery, wishing you all the best and every success for the Op, just think of all those goodies you can catch up on soon!
PS: My Thursday will be your Wednesday Just like the "Back to the Future" movies I guess!
See ya, Allan
Good day Tom and all at the pub by the tracks. A round of drinks are on me.
In an effort to bring something to the table, I'm starting an "event calendar", beginning with the year 1934(my birth year) and progressing through to the present. I'm sure you all know everything there is to know about trains, but maybe there is a little I can slip in now and then without warning that will "catch you". I hope I can continue with this project as time flees. If I can finish, it will cover 73+ years of railroad history. Tom: Nice pics of your model railroad. I am especially impressed by the "telphone/power" wires on the poles. A lot of modelers don't add that bit of realism which stands out by it's absence.
Railway Events of 1934
Courtesy of Wikapedia
Good evening Leon. I think a large speacial BK splashed coffee would be wonderfull this evening.Nice to see things rolling along here at the bar by the ballast
Lars-Guess I was still asleep by the switch , mind you someone mentions cheques , and rounds and well I just egt excited whatchagonnado
Tom-Some interesting photo's from Kirkwood again, and some as always interesting old mag covah's as well. 5x for them to be sure. noticed that a long long gone UTB has an update thread up this evening <oh well > you can lead them to water but you can't make em drink.
Loved the Mis and Ark RS1. what an intersting RR they were / are I don't know if they are still running any ideas They were a wonderfull all alco railroad that took exquisit care of their equipment.
Is it me or did you notice that teh Classic trains magazine descriptor has more meat in it's explination now, when one views the forum options. iIwonder if they've done that to help redirecall the missplaced posts.
Pete-Sorry to hear about your puter gremlins, hopefully they have subsided for a while.
Allan-Good to see you in tonight / morning sorry all those upside down time differences mess with the mind. Sounds like a wonderfull tribute to a wonderfull human being.
Ron-great pile of info , just what this place needs! 5x for what will be a wonderfull ongoing piece. thank-you.
Rob
Greetings Tom and gentlemen....
Just thought that I'd stop by before I hit the sack....it's 4.00am here, so....a nice cup of hot chocolate will do me just fine thanks....and a couple of those nice looking sandwiches...please.
Also need to come with a catchy name for our safe....hmmmm.
See you later on today...
Good morning Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Leon, a triple Cheese Burger with Curly Fries and supersized Root Beer!
JanOlov – I don’t know how common those foot heaters were. I have seen something similar on one other steam locomotive. Very nice photos from yesteryear, when traveling by train was something special.Tom – Two good movies again! Especially Stone Cold! You are doing a great job finding good movies! The Park City you see is somewhere along the North East Corridor. Don’t remember exactly where but between New York and New Haven. I never got used to that part of the corridor. The Quiz question photo was taken at Penn Station, NYC. It shows a MetroNorth train leaving. The cheapest gas here now is $2.80 (rounded).Nice book cover, The Empire Builder! Are you taking a roundtrip on that train? Interesting magazine covers. It would be interesting to read #3 from 1944, Electrification! Looking from the inside of one GG1 at another GG1! Your first photo from St. Louis Museum of Transportation is something else! A sad looking steam locomotive covered by rust! Makes your photo look interesting and sad at the same time. I hope they will be able to retore it to operational condition. Nice photos!Lars – All I can do is congratulate to the win! But don't do it again! My “thing” for the Cracker Barrel is due to good food and the right location! I do not even consider it being an oddity. Good food, good service, what else could you ask for? Interesting books! I’ll go for the top one, Western Pacific Trackside! Rob – I am sorry but Stockholm is wrong. It is Penn Station, NYC. A MetroNorth train is leaving the station. Pete – Ahh, Tom used the snow to keep track of you! Smart guy! The Quiz photo was taken at a place called New York City on the East Coast! Penn Station, to be more exact! Stopping a train at a certain tight spot you’ll need to really know the train, brakes and the track well. EMU’s are easier than a locomotive and cars to handle. Allan – Thanks! I am already thinking about all the good food I’ll be able to eat again next week! Ron – A 1934 event: 57 hours coast to coast!! That is fast even today! Interesting project you’ve started! I agree with you about Tom’s layout, those telephone wires are making a big difference! Rob – Don’t fall asleep by the switch again, Manager Lars wouldn’t like that!
Ventura County Railway #2.
Eric
<personal foto>
Tuesday 'n time to fill up the coffee mugs - order a breakfast selection 'n check out the pastries in our bakery case!
Comments from the Proprietor:
Name the Safe Contest UNDERWAY!
(1) from Lars (LoveDomes) . . . Nessie the Lock Master!
(2) from Rob (trolleyboy) . . . . . Green MoSheen!
Contest CLOSES on Monday, 28 Jan . . .
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Next up on the Birthday Watch List!
January 23rd (Jan - 39)
January 26th (Chris - 40)
CHITLIN (Jan 21 - Feb 19) Chitlins come from humble backgrounds. A Chitlin, however, will make something of himself if he is motivated and has lots of season-ing. In dealing with Chitlins, be careful they may surprise you. They can erupt like Vesuvius. Chitlins are best with a Moon Pie but Catfish or Okra is O.K. too.
Customer Acknowledgments (since my last narrative):
Monday - Jan 21st:
Page 171 - Jan (JanOlov) at 7:16 AM: Great looking safe - which became the impetus for our latest CONTEST!
Page 171 - Lars (LoveDomes) at 10:31 AM ‘n 10:55 AM: First entry received ‘n a good one for the Name the Safe Contest! I like it . . . Nessie the Lock Master! Clever man, fer sure, fer sure!
How ‘bout those Giants, eh What's to say other than they "did it," and convinced me they were READY. The cream rose ‘n just in time, eh Must admit surprise at the somewhat mistake-ridden Green Bay effort. Really blew my mind - which isn't that hard to do! <grin> Anyway, the Patriots better take ‘em seriously - for that game at the end of the regular season was no fluke either.
The Patriots game surprised me too, in that they didn't look THAT invincible to me. San Diego played a fine game ‘n made the New England guys earn that win. Now it's on to the Super Duper Bowl - which many a time has been a gross disappointment. Let's hope we get a good show out of it.
Another fine spate of covAHs for the gang - AND don't be concerned about duplicates. Who in the world would be ‘checking' <geesh> Even if someone had nothing better to do with their time than to ensure you weren't Posting things twice - ‘em! <grin>
Slam dunk What slam dunk Appears "it" AND the not-so-nice response have been removed. Hmmmmmm. AND the Thread LOCKED - with a 2nd added. Wouldn't pursue any of this if I were you - ain't worth the powder it would take to blow it all to Kingdom Come.
Many thanx for the fine covers, chat ‘n round!
Page 171 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 10:40 AM: I see the Larsman "squared away" your tab! <grin> Nice try, no see-gar! <uh oh> Now YOU'RE in debt to an agent of Vito the Hit! <uh oh>
Many thanx for the entry into the Name the Safe Contest - Green MoSheen is a "gudun"!
I can well imagine what it would be like if that "image" you provided of the St. John's waterfront of today were frequented by the "ilk" of "back in the day." Lock up the kids, hide the women-folk ‘n bar the doors ‘n windows. The pirates are back in town . . . Ahhhhh, the good old days <daze>. I can say that I was there - ye hearties!
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present: coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. It's snowing here and this morning's temperature (approx 22 degrees) was the warmest in about four days. The K9 Korps enjoyed the cold. He rides with me a lot of the time when I am doing errands, etc. and was some displeased that I didn't open the window so he could hand his head out. It was +3 degrees and I didn't think it would do either of us any good. Gas is at $3.09 today.
Let's see, there's a lot to look at this a.m.
Fergie visited - good to hear from you!
Rob was by with comments - I did not know they had a St. C car at Seashore. I have not been there in ages.
Eric - Good luck on your upcoming surgery. I got your photo quiz but the answer was posted ahead of mine. For those interested in things electrical, blow up the picture of the station platform and study the catenary which is (was) unique to the NYNH&H. Cracker Barrel - home away from home to all hungry mining folks! Good thing about that is we work the breakfast off (yeah, right!)
Mike stopped by with comments, pictures of the 1958 Giants-Colts game which I remember very well. Also a shot of Ol' Frenchy - well done, sir!
Lars - Done and done again! Our Giants are finally beginning to get some respect. Now we have to endure two weeks of hype leading to a conservatively run game. I know, it's all about the money. My dad (die hard Patriots fan) has to explain to folks as to why I follow the Giants. Thanks for the book covers (I think) there are some real interesting ones this time - IOW another financial challenge.
Pete - Tractors - looks like some of the places near my father-in-law's. He's a Deere follower. Also, thanks for the excellent pictures! Time warp, indeed! I got some like that years back when they ran steam on the New River Train - you have to be willing to hike a bit, and know you'll just get a couple of shots. Glad the link worked for you to the CSX train. Power here is usually one or two monstrous GEs. Eastbound, which is what the picture showed, can be one or two road engines as needed. Sometimes there is a pusher which runs at the aft end of the train. Incidnetally, 50 and 51 get one locomotive per 10 cars; more than 10 cars they get a pair of locomotives. This is because what used to be the Mountain Sub on the C&O has some tough grades; it's now BBR territory (Buckingham Branch RR).
DD1 sent along some reference material which has been downloaded.
OSP as always is keeping things running. "Stone Cold?" Could have been filmed here the past few days. Your Yogism reminded me of the Three stooges bit when Curly was a photographer and he was working in the darkroom. Moe asked him about prints and Curly replied, "I'm positive about the negative, but I'm a little negative about the positive." Enjoyed all of the pictures - poor old A&S power - I hate to see that. Railroad magazine covers were interesting. First one was a generic New England scene. I enjoyed Enjoyed the ones of the G motor and of the VGN squarehead. The last one was a cross between Rutland paint and something that looked sort of like RDG signals. Your e-mail was rec'd and responded to as well. I'll be here Thursday for sure, but I am not sure about Friday (until late in the day).
Work safe
Salutations Tom and fellow brethren....
May I please have an extra cold Guinness please...cheers! Oooh....shoot...I forgot what I was supposed to write....moooaaann.... Oh well, just grab something from out of nowhere then....
The 20th Century Limited was and probably still one of the most famous trains in the world, but just for the US, would you say that it was the BEST?
Morning Ruth , you are as always looking wonderfull ,I think I'll just have the speacial BK splash coffee and a number 3 please , with extra homefries .
Tom-Ah yes, the drink orders lately have been a bit well odd. Mind you it could be an opportunity to bring in the expensive imported root beer and hot choc's , you know the ones' that the prices will give even Paris Hilton a scare.Then everyone will be back to adding the "splashes" to the regular stuff
Are you sure that you got completely away from that bar brawl , I'm sure I saw your mug on some very faded and yellowed wanted posters when I was out there <uh oh >
I do hope that the poor fellow's tetnus shots were upto date , one wonders if he is one of Vito's goons now < double uh oh > .
Eric- Hey at least I attempted the contest even if I missed by a couple of continents. Close counts doesn't it
Jan- uh oh your next hot choc may cost an extravegant amount. You like white chocolate and truffle latte don't you Only $50 an ounce . It's imported right from Boris's maternal grandmothers shed / cave in Transylvania !
CM3/Shane- The Seashore has had the car since it's retirement in 1956. It will likley be painted as Montreal and Southern Counties #621. The cars were transfered in '56 from teh MS&C to St Catharines all but the one that went to Seashore -technically it never ran on teh NS&T but it's sisters and their one off trailer did. Last we heard they tended to use it as extra trolley pole storage because those cars were quick and ahave huge motors , which also gobble huge amounts of power.
Hello Jan looks like we posted ontop of each other. Nice to see a regular drink order from you as well.
Great pics of teh 20th Century Limited. that should make both the bossman and the manager drool somewhat. One question though is that a hat or a bomb target on that womans head
Here's a couple not posted here before pictures for everyone to enjoy.
A Peter Witt In Detroits DUR colours in the last years of streetcar operations on what at one point was one of the bigger street railway systems in the US.
A shot from the last year of streetcar operations in the Nations Capitol Ottawa. A car passes the Chateau Laurier hotel in the summer of 1958. From the OERHA collection
A fine morning here at the Bar by the Ballast as Ruth has been kept busy - which of course benefits ALL of us <in absence of her man!> <uh oh> But at least she'll be soon taking off for her looooooooong weekend . . . Wonder when 'n where to Hmmmmm.
Boris, throw another couple of logs onto the fire - getting a bit chilly in here.
A few ACKNOWLEDGMENTS just to stay ahead of things <those evening 'n nighttime Posts are back-breakers for me in trying to provide an early morning COMPLETE set of acknowledgments>:
Page 172 - CM3 Shane (coalminer3) at 9:19 AM: From the coal fields of southwestern WVA comes our man - SHANE after a loooooooong weekend. Snow in the mountains can only mean one thing - well maybe a few - but one fer sure, fer sure - C-O-L-D! Juneau 'n I would love to share it with ya.
Email response received 'n responded to - thanx!
Glad someone 'round here is enjoying those Yogisms - and YOU, Sir are ALSO an aficionado of "all things Stooges"! <grin>
Yeah, that A&S steamer is in a sorry state - it IS sad to see such a thing. But then again, at least she's upright 'n in a place where restoration will occur - eventually.
Appreciate the fine <I3 > Post, quarters 'n round for the boyz!
Page 172 - Jan (JanOlov) at 10:15 AM: Looks as if Jan is in a stupor of late - doing the "hit 'n run" Posts which aren't at all like him. Must be a heavy 'n heft work load. BUT we must admire the man for supporting the bar - which he has 'n is doing!
20th Century Ltd stuff is ALWAYS a "keeper" 'round here.
Page 172 - Rob (trolleyboy) at 10:26 AM 'n 10:23 AM: Our Resident Ontario Connection has connected with two Posts to keep this morning rollin' along.
Regarding the UTB that you mentioned earlier - what's the point in even bringing it up I mean those guys KNOW we're here. They have to KNOW we KNOW they are out there. So, if they've chosen to discontinue their patronage of the joint - let 'em go, Mate, let 'em go.
Sure, it bothers me - but not so much with the guy you referred to, but moreso with one I noted over on another Forum this day. He was really never a regular in the full definition of the word - but surely came on as if he wanted to be. Then he left, saying he'd be back on a certain date - and "poof" gone-ZO! That is behavior for anyone, but especially from one we had considered as a friend . . . <triple barf>
Ever notice that the overwhelming majority of those who've left this place did so after being "one of us" 'n without so much as a reason That's the rub my friend - that's the rub. So PLEASE, let's keep this kinda stuff for our "offline Email net." Deal
As anyone who has met me should have readily picked up on - I'm not built to be a bar room brawler. However, one of the few things "my daddy told me" was to "let 'em know you were there" if you can't get out of "it" without throwing a punch or three. Roger Daddy - did so! Me on a "wanted Poster" in St. John's Nfld! I'm honored <honoured>!
Great comment about that woman's hat! A target <indeed> is what it looks like. Awk 'n Artie - lock in!
Nice trolley shots from Ottawa . . . always enjoyed being there. Didjaknow that my bride used to live there when she was a youngster Her RCAF daddy was posted <as we say: stationed> there for a few years, as were pretty much all "careerists." Anyway, enjoyed the Pix here 'n over on "my other Thread"!
Pete 'n Juneau the "day after" our trip to the StL Museum of Transportation <Kirkwood, MO> - and of course BEFORE lunch at the TrainWreck Saloon! <grin>
Later!
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Hello Tom and all in
I'm pitching for Pete's award of a day of free beer later - but in the meantime I'll order a pint of Harvey's Bitter.
Juts been catching up with stuff from last few days.
Lars - yep - in England, in the middle - land of Sherwood Forest in fact.
Eric - have the Cracker Barrel visits declined since your work schedule reduced - or do you keep it up on your days off? They must have a good menu!
Pete - Thanks for your info on the Shamrock and Ulster express - shows how wrong I was - Tend to forget about Liverpool being a connecting port for Irish ferries (it still is of course, just not rail connected as it was once to the port). I think Heysham is just for the Isle of Man now (but it does still get some boat trains - if only the rail bus from Leeds to Morecambe I think! - if you can call that a boat train!)
You mentioned the 1975 S&D celebrations - there is a great British Transport Film of that which I have on video from the BFI series, I wonder if they will issue it on US compatible DVD maybe they will. It shows each loco in the cavalcade and ends with the diesel HST prototype. The APT is dragged by a peak as I recall. Did they ever find a Japanese translator?
Not sure about the Class 92 - I fear they are still in store!
As for the free beer - I think the number of 4-6-2 Blackmore Vale (21C123) is as follows - C is for the number of driving wheels - 3 as in Co-Co for diesel. 123 being the loco number - not sure what 21 is - is it a class number or a route classification restriction?
By the way - talking of pub food I had a great pint of Adnams old Ale the other night - with some good Pork Scratchings, at one of my local pubs.
Fergie - looks like you can't escape a tweet even out in the North Atlantic if the boss decides to implement one! No place to hide!
Tom, I raised my eyebrows regarding Can Am and the Settle line - I reckon Pete is just homesick for England's most scenic main line route!
Looks like the re-post of my Ren car saga was of interest, nice pics. Eric - I think the coloured windows were vinyled over for the transition car that they house electrical equipment in and use to link the Ren car to the Budd Park car - basically it is stripped out ex seated passenger vehicle I think. Tom will know more I guess.
Mike - your links seem to have taken on a sporting flavour - need I say more.
Allan - that 1947 winter site was superb - of course I've heard my parents speak of it (probably less harsh in Sussex than in the North East). The picture links were superb - did anyone see the pic showing BR using a borrowed Jet aircraft engine to try and blast snow off a railway line - they seem to have it strapped to a flat bed wagon in their attempt - it's worth a look. Rail scenes near Dove Holes and other locations are good too.
Like you, our family does not have so many pictures from that period - I guess it was just too expensive unless you were a photography enthusiast and able to develop your own. Do have a nice set of pics my dad's Hornby Dublo model railway loft layout taken around 1949 - 1952. He must have been allowed a few shots for that.
Jan - certainly you did a big catch up! My grandparents took the 20th C Ltd from Chicago to New York in about 1966 after visiting my parents in Chicago - then took the Cunard Queen Elizabeth back to the UK (Southampton of course). Both services (the train and the Cunarder) probably did not have long for this world at that time.
Ron - nice run down for 1934.
Rob - liked the period pictures in those two recent pictures. Nice fins on the cars!
CM3 - enjoyed your last post
Regards
DL
Gentlemen check your "in boxes" - Message has been sent to our "Offlline Email Net."
I see that our across the pond friend, Dan (DL-UK) at 12:14 PM has dropped by on Page 172 to perpetuate Wolfman Pete's "push" for a day of free beer. Hmmmmm, for the life of me - I cannot locate the source for this "idea." I've checked back a few Pages . . . hmmmmm.
Well, it goes like this: IF this is indeed true and our Bar Chandler wishes to make any salary 'round here, we need to FEED "Tilla 'n Cashinator" through the efforts of our paying customers. Less concern about one's "wooden leg," 'n a bit more attention to keeping the place in a financially viable state is what we look for in our salaried employees! <geesh>
Now to your comment about those Renaissance cars with the blocked out windows. Interesting 'n plausible posit you came up with. HOWEVER, that consist did NOT have an observation dome <Park Car> nor any Budd equipment. In fact, those "refits" had not taken place yet. I seem to recall seeing baggage being unloaded 'n loaded from that car at Moncton . . . <my earlier comments to Eric refer>
I had been wonderin' whether you were able to view my fotos - but with the reference to the Renaissance cars, apparently you can.
Good to see ya, Mate!
The fourth installment of our recent trip to the StL Museum of Transportation <Kirkwood, MO> by the Wolfman 'n Moi!
#19 - #21 New York Central #2933 4-8-2 Mohawk. Built by ALCO in 1929. Between 1916 and 1943, the NYC acquired 544 Mohawks for freight operations extending from the east coast to the mid-west US. Later models were adapted for passenger use. This particular loco was built in Schenectady, NY and is one of only two remaining. There are very few updates to its original running gear and appliances. This model was referred to as "Mountain" by other railroads. <paraphrased from literature purchased at the museum>
Claim to fame: This is the ONLY modern steam locomotive donated for preservation by the New York Central!
#22 Southern Pacific #4460 4-8-4. Built by Lima in 1943. #4460 was the first in a series of 10 the SP assigned to halut it's Cascade and Klamath passenger rains between Portland, OR and Oakland, CA. Capable of generating 5.500 hp, the 430-ton loco features "skyuline casting" over the boiler top which is designed to life smoke away from the cab. Last operated in 1958 while powering an SP excursion train. Donated to the museum. <paraphrased from literature purchased at the museum>
#23 New York, Chicago & St. Louis Railroad <Nickel Plate Road> #170 4-6-4 Hudson. Built by ALCO in 1927. This 268ton loco was used in hi-speed passenger service until the mid-1940s. IT logged nearly 2 million miles <about 80 trips around the world!>. She is the oldest of the Hudson locos which were best known for service on the New York Central railroad. <paraphrased from literature purchased at the museum>
#24 St. Louis Waterworks Railway Interurban car #10. Built by St. Louis Car Co. in 1914. A double-ended interurban car; wooden car with steel sides and arched roof; operated from Grand Ave. to Chain of Rocks Water Plant in St. Louis. The couplers on the car allowed it to haul freight for the water plant. One of two built by SLC for the city in 1914. <paraphrased from literature purchased at the museum>
Good day Tom and all at the bar. A round on me and a good single malt Scotch for Jan, today's birthday boy.
My ongoing project will be submitted each Monday(hopefully), but today is a special edition in honor of Jan. I hope some of it will be of interest.
On this 23 day of the year,
Tom: That is one terrible looking GG1. It should be taken off display until it can be given a nice paint job. That is not the way one would want to remember a classic engine.
Pete: Juneau is one nice looking dog. He must enjoy the cold, even if you don't.
The weather has been lousy down here in Mississippi. Snow in the northern and central areas of the state and freezing temperatures along the coast. The cold and sniffles have kept me inside, so my engine project is at a halt. Gas prices are $2.83. Lots of rain has kept my son from working his truck. He can't haul dirt when the dirt pits and construction sites are muddy.
Sorry I wasn't able to put out a special edition for Eric, as I just thought this up two days ago. I may put out a belated, special edition if I get a chance.
A pint of Bathams please RUTH.
ALLAN It is so good the State Funeral went off so well a very well deserved tribute to such a good man.
Looking forward to your visit our Wednesday.
RON A great idea on posting the railway events of a certain year, starting in 1934. I am sure I will learn a lot of railway facts from these events. The Winwick area of England seems to have seen more of its fair share of accidents, and I am sure Tom will notice that 1934 is the year the GG1s were introduced.
Many thanks for the special edition for Jan. If you do get a chance to do one for Eric it will be good to see it.
I have to admit I can stand the cold better than the high heat of a Missouri summer.
ROB Was it Einstein that said "Doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result is madness (or something like it), but that is what I am doing with the computer. Starting it up and getting the sign showing no radio connection and re starting it until it decides to work. It is getting worse; if I knew which part was playing up I could replace it. I know when it is going to connect as the light on wireless post starts blinking, if the light stays constant it is not going to connect. As Tom says perhaps it is time for a new computer but when I get it going it seems better than it has been for a while (Touch wood)
Many thanks for the Streetcar photos, that is a great hotel building behind the Ottawa car.
Good job that lady, in Jan's 20th Century photo, wasn't wearing that hat at Tom's dart match.
ERIC No wonder I did not get the answer to your photo quiz I was looking at the wrong photo, I still would not have got Penn station even if I was looking at the right one.
Yes I imagine it would take a lot of skill to stop a locomotive and train in exactly the right spot. There is tales of a certain engine driver, in the steam age in the UK, who could reverse a pacific locomotive up to a walnut tied to a buffer on a car and break the shell and leave the nut whole.
Great photo of VCR #2.
CM3 Thanks for the info on the NYNH&H centenary in Eric's photo I noticed the design.
Real glad you enjoyed the photo of the tractors, I was afraid I might get ‘tweeted' for it; a friend of Alan has a vintage tractor collection.
I will pass on your kind comments on the photos to Alan it certainly is magical when you can get a ‘Time Warp' photo today there is usually something in the photo that shows it was taken recently. Where No 80136 is standing as all been put back on a bare track bed by preservationists they have got it just right I feel.
Many thanks for the info on the CSX train.
Enjoyed the Stooges in the dark room.
JAN Many thanks for the 20th Century photos and menu, It will be interesting to see the opinions of the regulars who remembered the train
DL Can you tell me how long the S&D piece is on your video I have what I think may be an edited version on the DVD I got. My memory must be playing tricks I can't recall the APT. I will have a look through my slides when the scanner arrives. I don' know if they found a Japanese translator, but I do recall the announcer getting more frantic appealing for one.
I did get a boat train at Heysham for the Isle of Man, I think it was in the 1980s, it was a first generation DMU we caught from Lancaster, on the return trip it was buses to Lancaster Station.
On getting my quiz right
Hi Tom and everyone, a round for the house
Jan, if you have the speakers on, here's a train song.
http://www.jazz-on-line.com/ram/COLHCO2207.ram
In the 1850s no one dreamt of Las Vegas or Disney World. The top tourist attraction in the U.S. was at the Canadian border, as was the phenominal bridge that was.
Suspension Bridge
http://www.eastman.org/taschen/m197401930180.jpg
Stereographs
http://images.nypl.org/?id=G91F053_082F&t=w train
http://images.nypl.org/?id=G91F064_012F&t=w loco
http://images.nypl.org/?id=G91F053_063F&t=w loco
http://images.nypl.org/?id=G91F054_036F&t=w carriages
http://images.nypl.org/?id=G91F072_002F&t=w horses
http://images.nypl.org/?id=G91F054_035F&t=w people
http://images.nypl.org/?id=G91F065_001F&t=w people
View from bridge
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3b40000/3b40000/3b40000/3b40065r.jpg
Great West'rn Summer Arrangement
http://www.nfpl.library.on.ca/nfplindex/data/1/9/91319-505102.jpg
Map of GWR - Niagara Falls to Windsor
http://www.nfpl.library.on.ca/nfplindex/data/7/7/98777-520011.jpg
Article about the bridge
http://www.niagarafrontier.com/bridges.html#b2
Mike
Good evening Leon , I think a guiness is in order seeing as Ron has let us know it's the creators day today as well
Got the latest emails through the email pipeline thanks guys, I have sent out a responce.
Tom-Some fine steam photo's sir , nice to know that the Mohawk their has some interesting history,I'd expect nothing less than a class donation like that from a RR opf the likes of the NYC.
I don't really worry too much about the UTB's but there are times that it PO's me ( good gawd gertie I'm starting to sound like Lars ) Oh well deal no more mention of it from me.
Now you are refering to the photo's of Pete as before lunch was because why he's upright or he's awake or both.
I'm not supprised that Carols dad had a posting to NDHQ , it seems that most officers end up doing at least one tour there during their career. My zoomie uncle did as well the last four yeasr before he retired.He served on staff once his jet jockey days were over.
Mike-Some wonderfull pictures and urls of the old and new ( but still old ) bridges in Niagara falls. there was a guy now passed on that made full O scale models of all the train bridges from Niagara falls. He donated them to a freind of mine that is trying to get funding and a building to house a railroad museum in the Niagara peninsula, he's storing those models in his dad's garage at the moment.
Pete-Nice pics of more mainline steam action , thanks for sharing That is a wonderfull hotel isn't it,it's rates would definatly gag a healthy maggot though.
Finally a wish and round for our good transplanted Swedish friend Jan
May I please have a nice dram of Laphroaig....cheers....and cup of coffee...I think that I'll have some of those sandwiches and couple of doughnuts while I'm at it....
trolleyboy Yesterday, 4:26 PM: I though that I was stronger than usual....
siberianmo Yesterday, 5:39 PM: Terribly sorry about my latest "hit & Runs" Tom...will try to get "back in line"..... Have a dram on me mate...
Nice pics as well....
DL - UK Yesterday, 6:14 PM: Well, I thought that our place and you guys deserved that much since I've been AWOL for two weeks then...took me over two hours.... 20th Century Limited and Queen Elizabeth!? WOW that's how you do when you travel in style!
siberianmo Yesterday, 8:00 PM: Great pics and read...too bead that there are no NYC Hudson's and Niagara's preserved...
DD1 Yesterday, 9:17 PM: Thank you kindly Sir...thank you!
pwolfe Yesterday, 10:11 PM: True...the 20th Century Limited is high on my popularity list as well....I have to admit that turning more and more to the heavies now, would love to find more books about them.
Wonderful pics!
wanswheel Today, 1:37 AM: Thank you kindly Sir...thank you! I'll listen to that tune in a few clicks....
The links seems to worth a try as well....great pics!
trolleyboy Today, 4:21 AM: Thank you kindly Sir....thank you!
Well, here's to you lads, may our friendship prosper in many more years and to our place, the best d*mn bar in town , may it's fire burn as warm as the friendships here and do so for a very long time...Slainte'!
I hope that I didn't miss anyone....terribly sorry if I did...
Wednesday's Witticism
When you beat a man at his own game, you've had all the revenge you need - unless you're a hog.
Mid-week in mid-continent AND also our OP-SHUN-UL Toy ‘n Model Trains Day at the bar!
Coffee's ready, pastries fully stocked in The Mentor Village Bakery case ‘n our breakfasts are ready to order from the Menu Board!
TODAY IS
Happy Birthday to Jan
Very surprised at NO submissions from Pete - Eric - CM3 Shane! <yet>
Tuesday - Jan 22nd:
Page 172 - Ron (DD1) at 3:17 PM: Another nicely done ‘n innovate submission from our friend down south . . . Just HOPE you aren't putting PRESSURE on yourself with these visits. That's NOT the idea, Mate - take it on a slow bell. I'm sure the guys will look forward to ‘n be most appreciative of ANYTHING you decide to share with us.
Regarding that GG1 at the StL Museum of Transportation - the fotos simply do NOT tell the "story." There are far more exhibits than adequate siding space to show ‘em. So many are under cover in the "sheds" erected for that ‘n other purposes. The GG1 is not in the best of condition ‘n most probably is awaiting restorative work <I really don't know that for certain>. Anyway, I fully concur - the Amtrak livery is awful - but that's not the fault of the MoT folks. They can only do what their budget permits - just like our own household finances, eh <sans credit, that is!>
Thanx for the kind words regarding my Can-Am layout - it was fun putting it all together, especially since I'm hardly what one could or should call a "modeler." Just try to make it look the way my "mind's eye" says it should.
Yes, Juneau is not only a fine looking dog - he's a great deal of fun to be around. He keeps me "fit" - physically ‘n mentally! I "log" at least 4 miles per day in walks with him. Wonderful friend - and of course "Uncle Pete" is one of his pals. He even permits Pete to use "his" bed in our guest room!
Appreciate the visit, chat ‘n round!
Page 172 - Pete (pwolfe) at 4:11 PM: Of course YOU may buy as many rounds as YOU wish from YOUR salary! <grin>
Fine clarity in those fotos - nicely done, Mate!
It CAN be Christmas every time you come here! We'll just decorate the Can-Am Trainr
Something to kick off our OP-SHUN-UL Toy 'n Model Trains Day! here at the Tavern by the Tracks . . .
Retired HO passenger trains
Retired HO freight trains
Retired HO trains from Canada
Note: Some of these beauties are operated on the Can-Am Railway for commemorative runs.
REMINDER: We need HELP 'round here on Thursday 'n Friday of THIS week! Thanx . . .
Good Morning Barkeep and all Present; coffee, please; round for the house and $ for the jukebox. Cool here this a.m. (20's) and the rain we got last night turned to ice with a skiff of snow on top - lots of fun getting the vehicle unlocked this a.m. Then we drove to work behind a truckload of concrete blocks followed by a tandem log truck (also loaded) - but we made it!
Happy Birthday Jan!
Now to the stack of stuff.
Rob - Nice Ottawa photograph, and check out the rubber-tired vehicles as well!
DL stopped by with comments - good to hear from you!
Pete - Enjoyed the pictures of "The Great Marquess." Lovely name!
Your comments about train handling, etc. brought to mind another phrase, "Hitting the mark." This means stopping the train so passengers can be boarded or offloaded. Engineers use different landmarks which can be structures, signs, etc. The marks will vary according to the type of locomotive used.
Back when passenger trains ran through Nashville, there was a sign on the station platform that said "Engine Cab Stop Here." The engineer would make sure the cab door was even with the sign - amazing how they hit it time after time. The ones that always impressed me were the ones who brought it in fast, pinched the air down and just "ghosted" to a stop - hard thing to do with a 15 car train and a pair of E8s! I know, Boris, I'm getting all "misty."
Mike - Excellent selection of Suspension Bridge material. Travel to Wheeling, WV and you can see a somewhat similar structure. A list of C&O stations I have in the east wing listed two lines that operated via "Suspension Bridge" in 1957. One was "St. Thomas - Suspension Bridge Line - Via NYCRR," and the other "Suspension Bridge - East Buffalo Line via Erie RR." Talk abt. fallen flags - in more ways than one.
Jan - Nobody took up your challenge re "Century." Well, "Game On!" IMHO, 25 and 26 were the best in the east until the implosion of NYC passenger service when the "Century" had coaches added to it's consist. The "Broadway" remained all Pullman so the title went to the P Company. Overall, however, I would suggest that the "Super Chief" beat them all. Boris, may I have my tin hat as I expect some incoming anytime.
OSP was by - I see where you have your K9 Korps is qualified as a railroad guard dog. Juneau looks very self-possessed and in charge of the situation.
Mine subdued a Suddenlink truck yesterday - chased it all the way to end of the fence line. I asked him what he would do if he ever caught one, and he looked at me as if to say, "If you can drive, I can drive." BTW, he's buddies with our local UPS driver who owns a bunch of Labs.
I was looking at the HO equipment - interesting to see that manufacturers liked the New Haven scheme and applied it to all sorts of power and equipment that the railroad never had - but, that's the fun of it, I think! The NH had neither Es nor Fs. However, they did share station space in Boston with NYC Es that ran on B&A passenger trains. Both roads at South Station had PAs, though.
NYC 2933 was blt. At Schenectady in 1929 for the Big Four Lines. It was r# in 1936. Class was L2d. Many of the Mohawks were true dual-purpose locomotives, IOW they could handle freight and passenger trains.
Quiz for the day - which manufacturers built 4-8-2s for the Central?
That in turn leads to some things about locomotive naming.
The Central could never have a Mountain class locomotive on their roster as they were the Water Level Route. Thus they had Niagaras, Hudsons, and Mohawks. The exception was the Berkshire (2-8-4), but that was a B&A locomotive, which is why it got it nickname.
Similar naming applied to certain roads in the south. For example, the NC&StL could not have a Northern, so their 4-8-4s were called Dixies. Second quiz for the day - what were the NC&StLs nicknames for their 4-8-4s? Hint - it has to do with liveries. One last bit of trivia, when WW2 began, some roads renamed their 2-8-2 (Mikado), MacArthurs.
P.S. Request for assistance noted for upcoming two days.
Ahoy Cap'n Tom ‘n fellow travelers at the bar!!
Ruth my deAH, set ‘em up on Da Larsman for a round in honor of our friend in Scotland - Jan from Sweden! ALMOST 40, huh Getting there is half the fun . . . <grin>
Noted a few guys "jumped the gun" on your B'day- but then maybe they were factoring in the time zone differences. Yeah, right!
Boris - feed the crittAHs <ohhhhhh, you did!> Ok - take that small jar of PPF <ohhhhhh, you did!> Well, behave yourself! <ohhhhhhhhhh, you are!> Guess I'm not needed 'round here! What's that, Ruth <blush>
I'll have a mugga Joe with a double Jolt if you please - 'n just a couple of crullAHs from the case. Change is yours my deAH!
For Cap'n Tom: As is ALWAYS the case, you just keep this place <humming> along with all kinds of good stuff for Da Boyz! Really enjoyed those old time RR mag covAHs! Really special! The museum pix are terrific ‘n especially made interesting because you've included those descriptions!
Simply loved the Mohawk - great locomotive ‘n very nice pix. The "Central" Mohawks are discussed quite well in this link:
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/mountain/nyc.shtml
Also: lotsagudstuff in that link in the form of pix to click!
Here's a link to view the Lionel Mohawk (for our Toy & Model Trains Day optional event!)
http://www.glancytrains.com/php-cgi/gallery/album46
Your Can-Am trainroom ‘n layout must be one heckuva place to check out. I envy Pete, Eric ‘n Doug for having had the chance to see it all. Pete should be a "gold card" membAH by now, huh There were some absolutely great pix provided right aftAH the rendezvous II - May-June I think. Youse guyz should check ‘em out . . .
Thought those two shots of Juneau ‘n Wolfman were terrific reminders of what good friends you two have become - and ALL BECAUSE of this joint. A real shame that so many just don't get it, huh But WE DO! I bettAH tone it down, otherwise this submission may wind up being "deleted," for "too much exuberance" or something like that. <grin>
Your emails (and those from Da Boyz) have been ‘n are being received. I'll put together something once "all" are "in."
I'm going directly to the Larsman Mobile, then as has been the case, I've really got to cut this short. So sorry - but I didn't want to miss adding my congratulations to Jan, plus I've been a bit overdue in participating.
I WILL do my best to provide something during the daytime hours either tomorrow or Friday - it may be out of the question to do both. I'll try.
A special "hello" to Shane - Pete - Rob - Mike - Ron - ‘n Dan; I saw your submissions, just haven't the time to make specific commentaries. Then again, that happens to the best of us, huh
SO HOW COME SOME of YOUSE GUYZ AREN'T "in" the CONTEST!?!?!?!? <geesh> A "thing" about this bar is having FUN while we share some serious "stuff" about classic trains. NOT participating really isn't the way to keep things going! <double geesh>
From the Larsman Mobile archives:
Western Pacific - Locomoti
Well, I'll enjoy that pint of Harvey's Pete has donated! Not sure I got the answer 100% correct as I'd missed the 2-1 non powered axles part. I agree Pete, I think the French used this system.
Incidentally I've just been checking out info regarding the French national railway museum at Mulhouse for some friends of mine planning their holiday - UK to Sicily by rail all the way (overnight Paris to Rome then onwards along the Italian coast, then back via ship to Naples, train to Milan, then rail through Swiss alps, Basel, Strasbourg and then the new TGV line to Paris Est. London - Paris on the new high speed rail link of course. A great journey plan I thought!
Tom - I think we might both be correct on the Vinyled Ren car - I'm sure you are correct about that one being baggage car, I think the Transition Car was also done in the same way - but I may be wrong. Yes, I could see all the pictures and have been able to do so for some time fortunately. All the better for it.
Pete - the S&D BTF film is titled Rail 150 (1975)13 minutes - Colour
Highlights of the Grand Steam Cavalcade held at Shildon, on the Stockton & Darlington line, on 31st August 1975, to celebrate the 150th anniversary of the world's first public passenger steam railway.
According to the http://www.britishtransportfilms.co.uk/ website. It is a short. The APT there was, I think, the Gas Turbine one given the date, unless I'm imagining this - after all I was not there - but you were!
I did not check the Elizabethan link, but I do have the BTF film on video - presume it was the same, or an extract?
I liked those Fort William run steam pics. It is great to know that service is an annual regular. I must get up there some time and try it.
Mike - nice posters and interesting links - some very vintage pics from the Niagara area - great post!
I see there have been a few more posts since I prepared this, but I'll turn to them later!
Best wishes
Good afternoon Captain Tom and Gentlemen!!
Hello Ruth, just give me a number 4 and a cold Tui, please. Oh, i see you brought your suitcase today! Hmm.
Just a quick note, I stopped by to see that everything is in order and found that it isn't! My post from early this morning is missing! How did that happen? I don't have time to stay right now but I want to say
Happy Birthday to JanOlov!!! Have a great day!!!
I don't like that my post just disappeared!
See you later.
A few customers to keep things active 'round here today! Good to see CM3 Shane - Lars - Dan 'n Eric <sorry 'bout that lost Post!!>
Here's the fifth installment of our recent trip to the StL Museum of Transportation <Kirkwood, MO> by the Wolfman 'n Moi!
#25 Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority PCC #2740. Built by St. Louis Car Co. in 1947. Originally 5ft2-1/2 inch gauge converted to 4ft 8-1/2 inch gauge and restored to operation at MOT in 1995-97.
#26 St. Louis Waterworks Railway Interurban car #10. Built by St. Louis Car Co. in 1914. A double-ended interurban car; wooden car with steel sides and arched roof; operated from Grand Ave. to Chain of Rocks Water Plant in St. Louis. <different view provided in the fourth installment of fotos>
#27 City of St. Louis Water Division herald.
#28-29 Mystery bus.
#30 Missouri Pacific (MoPac) #4502. Built by Alco in 1955. Model RS-3. 1,600 hp.
A pint of Harvey's please RUTH if there is any left.
JAN
MIKE Many thanks for the photos and the links to the Niagara Falls bridges they contain some wonderful old photos of the bridge. That is a very good and interesting link about the bridge and the other bridges together with their builders. Great idea to use a kite to get the first cable across, but sobering about those bridges collapsing.
ROB It would be great if they could build a railroad museum at Niagara it would a great place to exhibit those O gauge models of the bridges.
Glad you enjoyed the photos, there seems to be some thing special about steam locomotives in the Scottish Highlands.
I would not like to guess what the cost of a nights stay at that hotel would be.
JAN Glad you enjoyed the pics.
I guess it is a bit hard to find books on American railroads where you are. There is a Transport bookshop not far from Birmingham New Street station, which has a good selection of railway books from America, I always called in there if I had enough time while changing trains at Birmingham, I used to pickup Classic Trains magazine there.
Great toast.
CM3 Thanks for the kind words on the photos. Yes the LNER had some wonderful names on their locomotives,the other names in the small class of K 4s were.
Loch Long
Cameron Of Lochiel
Lord Of The Isles
MacCailin Mor
Macleod Of Macleod
I think the last 4 were Highland Chieftains.
There was indeed a lot of skill required to get a long and heavy passenger train to stop exactly where the engineer wanted it to, and a great deal of pride in doing so.
Enjoyed reading your answer to Jan's question.
Interesting on the locomotive names, the names referring to the wheel arrangement crossed the Atlantic and was the same in the UK, although apart from a couple of classes of 2-10-0s, we had no larger wheel arrangement (apart from articulated locos) than a small number of 2-8-2s known as Mikados.I am right in thinking it was a gentleman by the name of Wyght who came up with the wheel arrangement classifications ,eg 4-6-0, for steam locomotives
I will have to think on your quiz, but how about LIMA and ALCO for the builders.
LARS Although BORIS is doing well giving the Mascots their treats, he still misses you when you are not at the bar.
Thanks for those two great links; the photo albums in the first link are well worth a look and many a return visit to see them all. What a great Lionel model# 3590 is, I did notice a Pennsy car in one photo.
Yes I have been fortunate to have seen the Can-Am a few times now, but every time I go I notice something I had not spotted before.
Very true about us meeting through Our Place, and it seemed we knew each other before we met in person, I had the same feeling with Eric and Doug.
Another great and varied selection from the Larsman Mobile. Do you know if that Union Pacific Locomotive Directory is a new book, I have an older version. Great painting of the ‘Mallets" cover and that Southern locomotive looks good in the night photo. Thanks for sharing.
Still trying to come up with a name for the safe
Jan!
And to you Captain Tom and Sundry a little gift for all to enjoy.
Yes I made it back to Halifax as I saw another system coming in so I hi-tailed it outta there! Good thing to as there were all kinds of delays today.
Now I have to prepare for my next soujourn... Skiing in Maine next week!!!
Later All
Fergie
http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=5959
If one could roll back the hands of time... They would be waiting for the next train into the future. A. H. Francey 1921-2007
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