BaltACD Trump's 'throw away' line in the 2016 campaign was 'What do you have to lose.' Now we know what we had to lose - The United States of America!
Trump's 'throw away' line in the 2016 campaign was 'What do you have to lose.' Now we know what we had to lose - The United States of America!
Curiously, there are a good number who feel that's what will happen if Biden wins. If you need examples, look at the states and cities run by the Dems...
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NKP guy My suggestion for the Democratic campaign slogan in 2020: Had Enough?
My suggestion for the Democratic campaign slogan in 2020: Had Enough?
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BaltACDThe world is a more dangerous place for US inhabitants both inside and outside the borders of the country than it was before January 20, 2017.
Perfectly put.
I can't help but recall the telegram that was sent by some citizen to Herbert Hoover just before the 1932 election: "Vote for Roosevelt and make it unanimous."
So that's a "no" on going back through and reading about other people's lives and struggles? Seems unempathetic. "I'm going to give you the last word before the moderators close this thread." Seems like a very self-aggrandizing statement. You're in charge of who gets the last word? Hmm.
still hope you reread the stuff you're not taking as a personal insult. Might be too much to hope for.
This is great! You complain that you have treated me with respect and I have not treated you with respect.
I gave examples.
This is your answer?
jcburnsAs an exercise, read through the stuff that you DON'T see as about you.
In other words, "I treated you with respect by insulting you, but skip that. Look what I wrote about others."
By the way, if you look back through this thread, you'll see I haven't once called anyone or anything the "MSM".
I will give you this -- you're very entertaining.
I'm going to give you the last word before the moderators close this thread.
York1 John
I asked my doctor if I gave up delicious food and all alcohol, would I live longer? He said, "No, but it will seem longer."
"So far, all you've given me is insults." So in all the paragraph after paragraph I've written the past few days, your conclusion is...THIS?
Try again. As an exercise, read through the stuff that you DON'T see as about you. About people in the world worse off than you. About our place as a nation in this world. Go through that one more time.
Yikes. No wonder you don't trust what you term the "MSM."
jcburns So...no, it's not registering with you. Got it. Proceed!
So...no, it's not registering with you. Got it. Proceed!
There's that snarkiness again!
Give me something you want me to register. You never know, I might be open to it.
So far, all you've given me is insults.
jcburns 100% middle school snarkiness. I've made every attempt to treat you with respect here even as I take issue with some of what you've posted. I sure hope that registers with you.
100% middle school snarkiness. I've made every attempt to treat you with respect here even as I take issue with some of what you've posted. I sure hope that registers with you.
Every attempt to treat me with respect?
I didn't say you were unempathetic. You said that about me.
I didn't say you had no concern for your fellow man. You said that about me.
Here's how I ended last night:
York1jcburns, I want to let you know that I appreciate your views even if I disagree with them. I hope I have not angered you. We can disagree and still appreciate each other's views.
Here's how you answered me:
jcburnsWe can certainly disagree on our opinions. I get nervous when I see people disagreeing on observable facts.
I'd hate to see what you would say about me if you didn't treat me with respect.
What was that you were saying about snarkiness?
The world is a more dangerous place for US inhabitants both inside and outside the borders of the country than it was before January 20, 2017.
jcburnsJust drop the attitude.
I will if you will. How's that for middle school snarkiness?
Well, the Ukraine stuff has been asked and answered, just like Hillary Clinton's emails and Benghazi. These things get credibly refuted and some folks will not believe that it has, because in part, they have been trained to believe that cable news reporters have an agenda.
And you wanted some help on empathy? "your beloved cable news reporters"—the kids these days would call it snarkiness, if nothing else. Just drop the attitude. Obama was questioned by the press EXTENSIVELY and his "feet were held to the fire" if, (again a really loaded phrase there), you mean he was asked complex, repeated questions that examined his decisions closely.
Trump's approach appears (to me) to be: insult the questioner, make derogatory comments about the questioner's employer, blame anyone but himself, and ultimately, do not stand up and answer the question.
Obama explicitly took responsibility for a lot that happened on his watch. Even George W. Bush did a fair amount of that. Hell, Reagan and Carter did! Have you EVER heard the current President acknowlege his own error or take direct responsibility for his staff's error?
Even once?! What kind of guy will do anything but apologize?
York1I wonder if your beloved cable news 'reporters' will hold his feet to the fire like they did to President Obama President Trump?
Remember that time Obama wore a brown suit?
I don't care what party you are, this adminsitration has been given every free pass in the world. I can't even begin to imagine the outrage that would have existed if the same claims were made with previous presidents. Whomever manages this is doing a brilliant job - I'll give them that.
Maybe the whole twitter and setting expectations so low is what the democrats should try to go with next time. I mean, can't be worse than their previous couple strategies. "What the President meant to say...."
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York1The current WH occupant has been widely criticized for his advocacy of the drug hydroxychloroquine. Health organizations say it doesn't work on covid19.
Becuase he made those claims before the research has been done?
jcburnsThe way it's shaping up though I'm looking forward in November to electing a train-loving Delawarian white guy to replace the incumbent
I have no doubt you are correct there.
I wonder if your beloved cable news 'reporters' will hold his feet to the fire like they did to President Obama President Trump?
I wonder if they will ask him about this:
Take all the studies together. Factor in what the CDC has said. I know it's difficult, because the "current WH occupant" has been literally restricting the access of valuable public health information and advice to the public at large.
The health community is doing the kind of hard work that they did during AIDS, SARS, Swine Flu, even viruses before that. It takes time. The papers need to be evaluated not by you or by news commentators, but by experts.
There's a bunch of caveats in this report if you read through the whole thing.
But personally, I won't be taking medical advice from the "current WH occupant."
I'm not a fan of any of the name calling. As I said on the other post, many of the reporters who work for Fox News do what can be a difficult job in the trenches, just like their compatriots at CNN, MSNBC, AP, Reuters, and the rest.
York1, I'm willing to judge you on your empathy and humanity moving forward. Hope you will see people's struggles and stand up for change that is humane, inclusive, and as a nice byproduct, helps to regain our nation's respect in a very small world.
Someone... quickly ... tell me what to believe.
The current WH occupant has been widely criticized for his advocacy of the drug hydroxychloroquine. Health organizations say it doesn't work on covid19.
Now, we hear this:
A Henry Ford Health System study shows the controversial anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine helps lower the death rate of COVID-19 patients, the Detroit-based health system said Thursday.
Officials with the Michigan health system said the study found the drug “significantly” decreased the death rate of patients involved in the analysis.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/
I would vote for someone who is willing to do the hard work of reestablishing our traditions of fairness, being welcome to immigrants, making sure that working class people get a more fair share of the profits from the labor they do.
Just so happens lately many of these folks have been Black, Hispanic, Asian, or women. Or combinations thereof! My congressman is a civil rights legend. My mayor kept our city smart during the protests and unrest following the latest police shooting. Our governor and senators, however, are from the "make as much money as you can on the backs of people lesser than you" school, and they are indeed an embarrassment.
The way it's shaping up though I'm looking forward in November to electing a train-loving Delawarian white guy to replace the incumbent--and I'm confident that he'll be backed by super-smart staff, counsel, cabinet members, and majorities in the legislature from very VERY diverse backgrounds who will begin the difficult, largely thankless slog of rebuilding...people's lives, the rule of law, America's reputation worldwide.
Man, what a task.
jcburns,
Here's another one:
jcburnsI'd sure like to change ALL of that. And I'm pretty certain that the people who need to lead in this effort are women and people of color. I have and will happily vote for as many of them as I can.
What exactly are you saying? It sounds like you would vote for someone because they are a minority or a woman.
York1Maybe you should quit judging people with your broad brush. Might feel ... refreshing!
We're creeping toward the tolerance paradox.
I'm asking again since something you said has bothered me.
After you had posted four straight comments decrying leadership, I wrote the following:
York1This is like watching an evening of PMSNBC.
You later wrote:
jcburnsYeah, York1, it's way easier to do namecalling than it is to do empathy and concern for your fellow humans. Although...you could give it a try? Might feel...refreshing!
I thought the little play on the name was just as cute as several of our other posters here do when they write Faux News.
You called that name-calling. OK, I'll accept that.
What I don't accept is that you accuse me of not having empathy and concern for my fellow humans. What else was I to infer from your comment that I could give it a try?
You are just as much a part of the problem as the people you are criticizing. You accuse me without knowing anything about me except a silly word play on a network name.
Maybe you should quit judging people with your broad brush. Might feel ... refreshing!
jcburnsLarry, I think one of the most destructive ideas out there is that there is this "they"—you're calling it the "mainstream media", some use even nastier terms. I think in part this is because 24 hour cable news has all these live interviews (basically, to take up time) with people tossing opinions out there.
Find out who's "signing" the MSM's paychecks. There is an agenda, though most don't want to admit that something like that could happen in this country. Our politicians are all honest and above-board, right?
I won't deny the virus is real, but I do take exception to how it seems that every time there's some good news (ie, lessening numbers, possible effective treatments) the information is quickly "debunked." Usually, it turns out to be true, but at the time, it didn't meet the narrative.
It was suggested this spring that schools should go to big box stores and hold their graduations there, as there didn't seem to be any problem with people gathering there, even as graduation ceremonies were being done virtually because such gatherings were a threat to our health.
People couldn't go to a drive-in church service in the parking lot.
At this point, most of the big box stores should have closed due to lack of help, since their employees see thousands of people each day.
Back during flu season this past year, we had several schools close because they didn't have enough staff or students. But they were open within a day or two.
Yes, the virus is real. Also very real is the political maneuvering by a good many politicians. I refer to them as "petit tyrants," and most of them are having trouble letting go of their new-found power.
tree68Anything to keep us afraid.
I always hear this. It's a good sound byte. "they are a-scrared". I had to cancel my vacation plans this year (event didn't happen). I can't just walk into my normal restaurants and grab my food like I used to (I hate sitting in drive-thru lines). The one grocery store I go to isn't 24/7 anymore.
I'm not scared. If anything, I'm pissed. It's annoying, its aggravating, it makes more work, but fear is not one of the things I feel. I may end up with the virus (as all of us may). May the odds forever be in my favor - but who knows. I'd rather not get it - esp considering how the RR medical thing works - but I'll make the few simple inconveniences that hopefully increase my odds of not getting it. But it isn't out of fear.
" we are flying in covid cases from Mexico"—who is "we"? Why would "we" do that? Have you tried to get in or out of Mexico or Canada in the past few months?
This sure seems like grade A 100% fiction. Look, this "how a pandemic spreads" stuff is complicated. That's why we send smart kids off to med school to learn about it.
When something this bad is happening on a global basis, it's really smart to listen to those gen-u-ine American experts we've trained and educated.
Most of the new cases are from the counties bordering or within driving distance from the Mexican border, and yes, we are flying in covid cases from Mexico
Thanks for the kind words. I see all these online social environments where people are tweeting and retweeting stuff that isn't true, and for me, well, truth is a very very big deal.
And I've been writing, very often not for fun or profit, since I was very young.
I'm hoping Larry and Euclid and other folks who spend a lot of their days in these places take a few minutes with my words while they're watching an HO loco slowly move around their track and ponder the world as it is now. If they hear nothing but words reinforcing leftover attitudes from the 1950s, it'll be especially hard to have that moment of discovery and humanity. So I'm happy to contribute another point of view to that mix.
Hope everyone is careful out there, not just for yourselves, but for your neighbors on the planet. (And yes, I'm defining 'neighbor' to be within a 25,000 mile or so radius.)
As Cuomo said, "Denying [the seriousness of] COVID is really advancing COVID."
99% of cases are harmless? Another dangerous lie. Not when 4.4% die. ~20% are hospitalized. Many have permanent damage.
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