jcburns There are empirical, observable facts.
There are empirical, observable facts.
One unfortunate fact is that the death toll from COVID-19 in NY state is about 2.5 times the COMBINED death toll in CA, TX and FL. A related fact is that the chance of a LTC facility resident dying from COVID-19 was about 6X higher in NJ than FL. Infection rates are rising in CA, TX and FL, but at current artes it will take FL about a month to catch up to NY on total confirmed infections and around a year to catch up with NY on fatalities.
To be taken seriously in the phsyical sciences, one must document reproducible results with estimates on measurement error. A lot of day to day science is reproducing earlier measurements with the hope of reducing the bounds on measurement error. A lot of interesting science comes up when experiments don't quite match theory - often meaning there is something wrong with theory.
A good example of data matching theory is Einstein's postulate that gravitational waves will propagate at the same speed as electromagnetic waves. A recent detection by LIGO and an orbiting gamma ray detector implies that the speeds are equal to better than 1 part in a quadrillion.
Fascinating how people's minds work. One person in power is accused of doing something evil and it's unforgivable. Another does the same or a similar thing and it's "Welll..." We decide who we like, then accept or reject accusations based on that decision.
It's not just politics. I think it's the main reason there are so many innocent people in prison. The police "know" they have the right man, and it's "Leave him to us. We'll get him to confess." The DA's office then accumulates all evidence that supports this view and doesn't follow up on any contradicting evidence.
It's everywhere in our lives. FORD: Fix Or Replace Daily. GMC: Got a Mechanic Coming. We tend to dismiss problems with cars we like and magnify others.
Note that a few weeks ago I changed my signature back to the one I use for the political season.
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blue streak 1 Not enough ventilators,
New York state had the opportunity and the money to buy 16,000 ventilators several years ago. Instead, the money went toward a failed "development" in Buffalo.
Never mind the finding that ventilators were often exactly the wrong treatment, had NYS bought them then, the governor wouldn't have threatened to send the National Guard to take ventilators from upstate hospitals...
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
My problem is that the current administration threw away the play book on how to contain a pandemic. Now the playbook was put together by a president Bush's team after 911 to address problems that came to light because of 911. I REPEAT ORDERED BY PRESIDENT BUSH. After Katrina it was further modified. The playbook was updated by Obama and passed to Trump. Not only did the playbook get trashed by who knows whom but the CDC pandemic team was decimated by who ever was over the CDC. So what did we get? . No action in January with a statement only 9 cases that will quickly disappear.
What are some of the problems ? Not enough ventilators, still lack of PPEs, delays in development of vaccines and treatments. AZ, CA, FL - medical facilities all near breaking points.
Now we have to stay isolated even from our children and grandchildren to prevent the probable consequences of recovery. Death we can accept but not long term handicapts. Breathing, headaches, reduced brain activity, weakness, fatique, blood clots, strokes,, heart attacks, etc. Recovery is our main worry as reported almost 25% of recovered persons have one or more of the many after effects.
My man Bush's team had all their work go into the trash can. If you notice Bush has really remained in seclusion during this mess. His pandemic playbook lost to history.
tree68 Meant to mean that somewhere, there's a non-politician who would do a wonderful job as POTUS, but wants no part of the BS that accompanies it.
Such people are called city councilmen.
Anyone else who wants to serve the people in some elected government position has to deal with politics; those who don't, fail. Haven't we learned by now that there is no Man on the White Horse, no one's coming to save us, no one has all the answers.
Unexperienced men (it's never women) who want to run the country are a danger to everyone. You wouldn't accept the Chief of Surgery at your hospital having zero medical experience; you wouldn't want an accountant who's never done anything similar before; you wouldn't accept as a pilot a guy who simply likes the idea of flying; etc.
The political realities of America at this time in our history show that unexperienced politicians or those who disdain politics get ground up in the gears, or pushed aside. They achieve nothing. Meanwhile, the people suffer.
David McCuollough once said that we Americans like people who are good at what they do. I agree. That's why I want someone as President who's good at politics, good at policy, and good at motivating people as well as uniting them.
As for Mr. Trump in this regard: Res ipsa loquitor.
This is a compelling Biden ad. And hey, it has trains! Lots of trains. 1970s trains. 2000s trains. Probably the train-i-est political ad you'll see this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ef8xufT-KI
(And lots of family, love, hope, and possibility.)
There are empirical, observable facts. Science is real. Journalism is real. These facts can be gathered, and placed together. What you perceive of them is your opinion (which you're welcome to) but you don't get to alter the fact itself. Facts are sacred things.
Observed facts are all relative to the perception of the observer.
I agree the "BS level" and the transparency into one's past has certainly changed over the years.
But it impresses me that some of these youngsters have, at the very least, enough ego to get past it, and more than in olden days they have vast amounts of education, speak several languages, have traveled widely (including, ahem, train travel here and abroad) and their desire to make the system work for everyone is an inspiration.
I sure don't have those credentials.
jcburnsI'm trying to parse your figurative "best person to be president,"
It's an abstraction. Meant to mean that somewhere, there's a non-politician who would do a wonderful job as POTUS, but wants no part of the BS that accompanies it. Who wants it put out to the public that they wet their bed when they were four?
"Of course, you will interpret this as praise for the current POTUS - anyone who doesn't agree with you is clearly in the wrong, which is what's wrong with this country right now.
Which makes your reaction very highly predictable. I see the same phenomenon regularly on Facebook and other fora."
Um, no. Sorry to thwart your predictions. I'm glad you support a woman's right to control her own reproductive system. Thank you for that.
I'm trying to parse your figurative "best person to be president," and I'm thinking back to all the people on both sides who put their hat in the ring in the past couple of years: Harris, Warren, Booker. Buttigieg, Romney, McMullin, O'Rourke—I don't think any are from Nebraska, but several put extensive policy papers out there that I think would have put more Americans back to work and given them health care and balanced the disturbing gap between the super-rich and the working class.
"done as well as he has given the ongoing onslaught"—do you mean the pandemic, or his political opponents demanding the transparency he promised, or...well, I can't tell. I have a lot of trouble (personally) holding Trump as a victim of an onslaught when his policies have been such an attack on so many who can least afford to be attacked.
I certainly condemn Trump's criminal acts and his attempts to cover them up. I would have hoped when a staffer says "sir, there's an emoluments clause," and "sir, you're not allowed to ask a quid pro quo" he would have turned course and stepped away from the crime. But that circuitry seems to be missing in his head, along with the apology and admitting your mistakes circuitry.
I certainly condemn his administration's staggeringly harsh response toward immigrants. My mom's family came over from Eastern Europe, and although they had it hard, they sure didn't have their kids stripped away from them and placed in inhumane secret facilities.
I keep saying "he really must admire Nixon's playbook...he keeps trying Nixonian approaches." Secrecy, stonewalling, the whole culture of non-disclosure agreements.
I think his "personal foibles" are multiple criminal acts against women—I'm talking severe criminal assault AND paying vast sums of hush money to try to cover it up and these acts would have him in jail if he wasn't in the White House at the moment.
Finally, and please hear this: I don't and never have had the attitude that anyone who doesn't agree with me is clearly in the wrong. I absolutely hold sacrosanct your freedom to have an opinion. I appreciate your taking the time to express it.
And I also hold sacrosanct that there are observable facts. Facts. And we don't get to hold our own versions of those.
243129 jcburns DemocratIC, Larry. It's the Democratic party. The late LaRouche would be voting Democratic. Not "Democrat." When you deliberately misname the party, it's one of those "tells" like tossing out Mainstream Media (or worse.) I say, hmm, where could he have picked that up... ...could it be... right wing talk radio? Fox news commentators? (And if not, are you claiming that you just came up with that on your own?) I'm sure you're a smart man, Larry. Repeat after me, Democratic Party. The Democrats. You can do it. I have faith in your grammar school education. Show some respect. Leave poor Larry alone, he is a 'Trumpanzee' but ashamed to admit it.
jcburns DemocratIC, Larry. It's the Democratic party. The late LaRouche would be voting Democratic. Not "Democrat." When you deliberately misname the party, it's one of those "tells" like tossing out Mainstream Media (or worse.) I say, hmm, where could he have picked that up... ...could it be... right wing talk radio? Fox news commentators? (And if not, are you claiming that you just came up with that on your own?) I'm sure you're a smart man, Larry. Repeat after me, Democratic Party. The Democrats. You can do it. I have faith in your grammar school education. Show some respect.
DemocratIC, Larry. It's the Democratic party. The late LaRouche would be voting Democratic. Not "Democrat."
When you deliberately misname the party, it's one of those "tells" like tossing out Mainstream Media (or worse.) I say, hmm, where could he have picked that up...
...could it be...
right wing talk radio? Fox news commentators?
(And if not, are you claiming that you just came up with that on your own?)
I'm sure you're a smart man, Larry. Repeat after me, Democratic Party. The Democrats. You can do it. I have faith in your grammar school education. Show some respect.
Leave poor Larry alone, he is a 'Trumpanzee' but ashamed to admit it.
There was a time when I agreed with many of the tenets of the Democrats. Not so much any more.
I support the right to reproductive control of one's body, although I believe we should be pursuing ways to reduce unwanted conceptions. I don't agree with abortion right up to the point of birth.
Trump - I will neither praise nor condemn. I know - some of you have a problem with such a middle of the road position. Anyone who doesn't outright condemn Trump must obviously be a "Trumpster," or whatever derogatory term you care to use. After his election, economic indicators went up in this country - the stock market, employment, you name it. All good things.
His personal foibles are of little concern to me.
That he's done as well as he has given the ongoing onslaught he's faced is actually pretty impressive. Is he the best choice for president? No, although he was the best choice of what was offered.
The best person to be president is walking down the street (figuratively) in Lincoln, Nebraska (figuratively) right now. But he/she certainly doesn't want a job where he/she is constantly second guessed by people who are upset because he/she won the election and therefore will do all they can to diminish his/her power.
Of course, you will interpret this as praise for the current POTUS - anyone who doesn't agree with you is clearly in the wrong, which is what's wrong with this country right now.
Which makes your reaction very highly predictable. I see the same phenomenon regularly on Facebook and other fora.
Just a point of fact: abortion access in the US generally has decreased since 1973, not increased. Because despite Roe vs Wade, forces have added restrictions and made access to this essential health care harder, not easier.
And the negative effects for women and society at large have included higher teen birth rates, lowered completion of education, lowered economic outcomes, lower female labor force participation.
i think that outcome is repugnant.
I prefer we just try to discuss issues without namecalling, but I hear you.
Euclid, I think you may be missing that treatment of COVID-19 is changing every day and is effectively different in hospitals all across the country. New methods are being tried and sometimes discarded on the fly. Papers are being published at a frantic pace. Science—peer-reviewed documented science is advancing much faster than normal.
Paradigms old and new are being tested and employed at overcrowded hospitals. I don't think any doctors are sticking to old modalities...but in a crisis like this, they are trying to figure it out.
Instead of arguing about Soros letus have our poster link to studies of the man. That is both side's studies instead of listing your own opinions. I have read some thoughtful research but leave it to others to bring forth those studies.
Gramp Euclid, returning to your opening post, my niece is a pulmonary nurse practitioner at a hospital in San Antonio that has an area treating the most serious Covid cases from the region. Instead of using ventilators, they are using a machine where a person's blood is cycled through it to oxygenate the blood, then returns the blood to the person's body. The process takes only a few minutes.
Euclid, returning to your opening post, my niece is a pulmonary nurse practitioner at a hospital in San Antonio that has an area treating the most serious Covid cases from the region. Instead of using ventilators, they are using a machine where a person's blood is cycled through it to oxygenate the blood, then returns the blood to the person's body. The process takes only a few minutes.
Gramp,
Thanks for that insight about a new way of treatment. That would be the replacement for the old paradigm that I refer to in the title of this thread. The implications of sticking to the old paradigm in light of evidence that it is causing thousands of needless deaths are amazing.
About a week ago, I wrote a post for this thread to summarize what the topic of the thread was intended to be before being hijacked into a bitterly bickering, non-stop political argument filled with personal insults. But I never made that post because the context was changing and the post did not seem to fit. Below is that post in blue text. It covers the essence of the information that you have offered in your comment above. I never finished the part after I said I have a new question. But the essence of that new question is my recent comments questioning the basis of reversing the re-opening and heading back into lockdown. Here is that post I wrote a week ago, but never posted:
I did not start this thread to embark on an endless argument about politics. You all know there is no point in that. At the start of this thread, what I call the “wrong paradigm” is the present paradigm of unquestioning use of ventilators for preventing cases of the virus from becoming fatal. Ventilators work the lungs to overcome oxygen starvation. But this virus impedes the flow of lung-pumped oxygen from leaving the lungs and entering the bloodstream. So a ventilator can over work and destroy the lungs trying to raise the blood oxygen level without success.
The new paradigm goes first to the direct injection of oxygen into the blood rather than to work the lungs with a ventilator. The theory is that this new paradigm would prevent the very high death rate for people who would otherwise be put onto ventilators under the old paradigm. The number of lives potentially saved could be astoundingly high.
But now I have a new question. [never finished]
However, despite the thread being hijacked into political arguments, that experience has revealed something very important. My evolving questions about the reasoning for the re-opening reversal involve questioning the decision making of the supposed experts who are locking down the country supposedly to save us. Earlier, I had a fairly open mind to the guidance of those experts, but no more.
The way this thread turned completely political based on my just questioning the reasoning of those experts tells me that their decision making is also completely political. Their actions are part of the political argument here.
So, I now realize that everything the experts are telling us is a politically motivated ploy to prevent the country from moving forward for as long as possible. They are political animals, and a crashed economy serves their political interests. So, thank you to all you political hijackers. You have done a great service in blowing the cover of this incredible deceit. You have made it crystal clear for all to see. I hope it is not too late to stop them.
For what it's worth, here is Tim Russert, hardly a conservative, reporting facts.
https://www.facebook.com/rondwyersettingtherecordstraight/videos/tim-russert-dismantles-hillary-clinton/924520704342611/
I believe the Clintons have been a pox on the Democratic Party.
But, these things don't matter because they're "right on the issues".
And though I'm not an "activist" and am a male, I'm repulsed by the murderous expansion of abortion measures over time, and it is an example of the party's slide. I think at some point in the future, abortion in our time will be looked on as being as repugnant as slavery is today.
D.C. can have its bloodsport.
tree68 Psychot Yes, there are indeed shades of grey. You'd do well to bear that in mind when you attempt to portray everyone who can't stand Trump as an unhinged far-left obsessive. Your perception. I know people who couldn't stand Trump before he got elected. They are far from unhinged far-left obsessives. I can't stand Hillary Clinton - does that make me an unhinged far-right obsessive - or just someone who can't stand her?
Psychot Yes, there are indeed shades of grey. You'd do well to bear that in mind when you attempt to portray everyone who can't stand Trump as an unhinged far-left obsessive.
Your perception. I know people who couldn't stand Trump before he got elected. They are far from unhinged far-left obsessives.
I can't stand Hillary Clinton - does that make me an unhinged far-right obsessive - or just someone who can't stand her?
Fair enough. I inferred my conclusion from multiple posts in which you appeared to imply that criticism of Trump is solely motivated by partisan politics.
I held my nose and voted for Hillary because, as a Howard Stern listener, I felt I had a pretty good handle on Trump (he appeared on Stern's show on a regular basis) and why he wasn't suited to be POTUS. Those early conclusions have been borne out in spades over the past 3.5 years. He's exactly who I thought he was.
Lithonia Operator Psychot i wonder if the people who are so up in arms about Soros are equally troubled by the likes of Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers? I was just about to write exactly that. He's merely the progressives' version of those folks. It's funny how people on the right claim to have all this insider knowlege of Soros. Most know as much about Soros as I do about Adelson. Which is to say very little. Most mega-rich guys are pretty private. Probably 75% of what appears in right-wing media about Soros is false. For a variety of reasons, this man has been unfairly demonized; anti-semitism is definitely one factor. Its easy to trash someone who stays out of the public eye and is not out there defending himself. I'm a well-informed liberal, but I wouldnt know Soros if he walked into the room. Yet all the righties know ALL ABOUT George. Uh huh.
Psychot i wonder if the people who are so up in arms about Soros are equally troubled by the likes of Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers?
I was just about to write exactly that. He's merely the progressives' version of those folks.
It's funny how people on the right claim to have all this insider knowlege of Soros. Most know as much about Soros as I do about Adelson. Which is to say very little. Most mega-rich guys are pretty private.
Probably 75% of what appears in right-wing media about Soros is false. For a variety of reasons, this man has been unfairly demonized; anti-semitism is definitely one factor. Its easy to trash someone who stays out of the public eye and is not out there defending himself. I'm a well-informed liberal, but I wouldnt know Soros if he walked into the room. Yet all the righties know ALL ABOUT George. Uh huh.
After 5 years of watching the Hungarian government demonize Soros at every turn, I was somewhat surprised to come back to the U.S. and see much the same thing going on here. Granted, I haven't seen any campaign posters here featuring Soros as the villain (you can't throw a rock in Hungary without hitting one), but as we've seen reflected in this very forum, the U.S. right-wing media is working overtime to make him the bogeyman. I guess he's an easy target because he's Jewish, pretty far to the left, unbelievably wealthy, and did I mention Jewish...
The fact is, any objective observer who does their research will find that he's done a lot of good things to promote democracy in Central and Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, his efforts sometimes backfire: most of the central figures in the current Hungarian government received their educations thanks to his scholarships. They reward Soros by using him as a political punching bag.
jcburns Thanks for your insights into Hungary, Psychot. Some of it does sound similar to what I read about the government in Poland...hope this antidemocratic trend is something that will go the other way with enough people standing up for democracy and the rule of law.
Thanks for your insights into Hungary, Psychot. Some of it does sound similar to what I read about the government in Poland...hope this antidemocratic trend is something that will go the other way with enough people standing up for democracy and the rule of law.
Thanks! There are indeed many similarities between the current situations in Hungary and Poland. The salient difference is that Orban is assiduously cozying up to the Russians. The Polish government is not because - as you probably know - any Polish government that tried such a move, left or right-wing, would be drummed out on its ear.
Paul of Covington Euclid Paul of Covington Euclid Throughout this pandemic experience, there has been speculation surrounding the issue of asymptomatic infection. One aspect of this is the claim that people can contract the virus at one point, but do not develop any symptoms until sometime later, such as 1-3 weeks later. During that time of being asymptomatic, the subject has no way of knowing they are infected unless it is discovered by testing. Generally, the consensus is that the virus can be spread to others during the period of being asymptomatic in an infected person. It seems you don't want to accept this idea, but many years ago, I was told by my doctor that mono takes about two weeks after infection for the symptoms to show up, and during that time it is very contagious. I remember thinking at the time that that's a smart disea I don't see why you think I don't accept that idea. Oh, I don't know. Maybe when you use phrases like "...there has been speculation..." and "...the claim that..."
Euclid Paul of Covington Euclid Throughout this pandemic experience, there has been speculation surrounding the issue of asymptomatic infection. One aspect of this is the claim that people can contract the virus at one point, but do not develop any symptoms until sometime later, such as 1-3 weeks later. During that time of being asymptomatic, the subject has no way of knowing they are infected unless it is discovered by testing. Generally, the consensus is that the virus can be spread to others during the period of being asymptomatic in an infected person. It seems you don't want to accept this idea, but many years ago, I was told by my doctor that mono takes about two weeks after infection for the symptoms to show up, and during that time it is very contagious. I remember thinking at the time that that's a smart disea I don't see why you think I don't accept that idea.
Paul of Covington Euclid Throughout this pandemic experience, there has been speculation surrounding the issue of asymptomatic infection. One aspect of this is the claim that people can contract the virus at one point, but do not develop any symptoms until sometime later, such as 1-3 weeks later. During that time of being asymptomatic, the subject has no way of knowing they are infected unless it is discovered by testing. Generally, the consensus is that the virus can be spread to others during the period of being asymptomatic in an infected person. It seems you don't want to accept this idea, but many years ago, I was told by my doctor that mono takes about two weeks after infection for the symptoms to show up, and during that time it is very contagious. I remember thinking at the time that that's a smart disea
Euclid Throughout this pandemic experience, there has been speculation surrounding the issue of asymptomatic infection. One aspect of this is the claim that people can contract the virus at one point, but do not develop any symptoms until sometime later, such as 1-3 weeks later. During that time of being asymptomatic, the subject has no way of knowing they are infected unless it is discovered by testing. Generally, the consensus is that the virus can be spread to others during the period of being asymptomatic in an infected person.
It seems you don't want to accept this idea, but many years ago, I was told by my doctor that mono takes about two weeks after infection for the symptoms to show up, and during that time it is very contagious. I remember thinking at the time that that's a smart disea
I don't see why you think I don't accept that idea.
Oh, I don't know. Maybe when you use phrases like "...there has been speculation..." and "...the claim that..."
I call it speculation because that is what it is. Even today, experts say that the virus is not entirely understood. Even the WHO announced a few weeks ago that the belief that the virus can spread from infected people in the asymptamatic phase is nearly complely untrue. They said the possiblity was very near zero. Then about four days later, they reversed and said they did not mean to say what they said. Then they went on to clarify with an unbelievably complicated explanation of why it sounded like they said the virus is almost imposssible to spread from people having the virus in the asymptomatic state. They finished the explanation by saying that the virus can spread about 40% of the time from infected people in the asymptomatic state. But it was unclear to me how they apply that 40%. I intended nothing sinister by refering to this general understanding of asymptomatic spread as speculative. I thought it was a fair choice of words. And it also had nothing to do with the point I was making about people being infected by virus in early phase of the pandemic, and being counted as a new case when discovered by testing today.
I understand your point (and thanks for explaining your Avatar.)
I read the rules on day one back in 2012.
It's one of those things where "polite conversation", say at the clubhouse at the TPC, allows some guy to get up and make a bunch of statements in "polite company" that might be subtly or not so subtly misogynistic or racist and because there's a history and tradition of hey, we're all fellow old white guys, he's probably had one too many, just let it go.
And I usually do let it go. But we're in some tough times, and I sure don't want my silence to be equated with assent. I see my neighbors struggling. They've lost jobs. The planet's trying to get through a global pandemic that should not at all be political, but somehow it has become so.
And in that context, I think I just got a little tired of finding a place I could count on interesting stuff about trains filled with right wing conspiratoral nonsense just because...what, they've paid their dues by discussing the railroad business a greater percentage of the time?
I'm sorry. I don't think that's how it works. Facts are facts. Reporting is reporting. And if you want to put it on me instead of the "greater percentage" guys, go right ahead. We're in some stressful times.
Be safe out there.
This thread's now gone on for two months without really having anything to do with railroads. I have to say, I am quite impressed that the moderators have backed off, compared to some of the other goings on over the past year or two.
If any of them read this, I would humbly suggest that this thread be left up as a sort of 'catch all' for non-railroad or political stuff, with a big "DANGER: CONTAINS POLITICS" tagline added to the thread title.
Those who do not wish to see its content could then easily avoid this thread, and the regular politically-minded forum participants would have a place to rant and vent.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
jcburns So you're suggesting I change to...what is that, a snake avatar? I guess the PC logo is 'mating worms', so that's as close as I can get. I really enjoy reading comments on Trains' content and rail problems and issues... ...and then some guy tosses out a Hillary insult or a "MSM is in on it" theory or some sort of complete falsehood...wait, let me be clearer...a massive lie about the pandemic that we're all having to deal with. And I said to myself, y'know, this is stressful enough for everyone without unchallenged misinformation and conspiracy crap being mixed into these pages. So I set out to avoid ad hominem attacks and yet stick to facts, which, as I say, are sacred things to me. They can be checked, reported, verified. I wish you all good health and safe lives in the coming months. Please social distance and wear a mask. It's the grownup thing to do. And enjoy trains.
So you're suggesting I change to...what is that, a snake avatar? I guess the PC logo is 'mating worms', so that's as close as I can get. I really enjoy reading comments on Trains' content and rail problems and issues...
...and then some guy tosses out a Hillary insult or a "MSM is in on it" theory or some sort of complete falsehood...wait, let me be clearer...a massive lie about the pandemic that we're all having to deal with. And I said to myself, y'know, this is stressful enough for everyone without unchallenged misinformation and conspiracy crap being mixed into these pages.
So I set out to avoid ad hominem attacks and yet stick to facts, which, as I say, are sacred things to me. They can be checked, reported, verified.
I wish you all good health and safe lives in the coming months. Please social distance and wear a mask. It's the grownup thing to do. And enjoy trains.
It is a Dodge Viper logo....Generation 3 if you must know.
However I suggest you follow the forum rules...
http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/264778.aspx
"No political discussions or signature messages. We know, railroads are sometimes affected by politics. However, we’ve found that political discussions almost always turn into arguments. We have a common thread of being interested in railroads. Don’t let that common bond be destroyed by political differences."
While Tree, Euclid, Charlie H, and many others are just as guilty in this thread as you, they at least have a history of talking about trains in this forum. Like I said, less than 2% of your posts even have the word train in them.....
I am not a moderator, so I will just stay out of this thread. It is threads like this however, why I tend to visit this site less and less.
An "expensive model collector"
Does anyone wonder why TRAINS doesn't want political discussions here?
SD70Dude n012944 jcburns Someone said online something I could not say better: "Barack Obama was the president of the Harvard law review and one of the most brilliant presidents in history and Donald Trump paid someone to take his SAT test and racists worship him. God Bless America." When you say "elite" with a sneer and a smirk, do you mean: bright, intelligent? This is a train site, right? His avatar has a train in it. Seems like pretty much anything goes on here until it gets reported......
n012944 jcburns Someone said online something I could not say better: "Barack Obama was the president of the Harvard law review and one of the most brilliant presidents in history and Donald Trump paid someone to take his SAT test and racists worship him. God Bless America." When you say "elite" with a sneer and a smirk, do you mean: bright, intelligent? This is a train site, right?
jcburns Someone said online something I could not say better: "Barack Obama was the president of the Harvard law review and one of the most brilliant presidents in history and Donald Trump paid someone to take his SAT test and racists worship him. God Bless America." When you say "elite" with a sneer and a smirk, do you mean: bright, intelligent?
Someone said online something I could not say better:
"Barack Obama was the president of the Harvard law review and one of the most brilliant presidents in history and Donald Trump paid someone to take his SAT test and racists worship him.
God Bless America."
When you say "elite" with a sneer and a smirk, do you mean: bright, intelligent?
This is a train site, right?
His avatar has a train in it.
Seems like pretty much anything goes on here until it gets reported......
Yep, it a sad state on how this site has gone down in years. I noticed that Mr train avatar has mentioned the word train in 2 of his 109 posts, and railroad in 1 other. (I am bored waiting on someone).
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