tree68Tell that to the families of the personnel she abandoned in Benghazi.
Have you ever read the final report on Benghazi?
I didn't think so.
charlie hebdoSo why don't you practice what you preach? It's not because you certainly ever let a fact stand in your path.
I try to take a middle of the road approach. Unfortunately, these days, if you don't agree with someone, you're obviously opposed to them.
I haven't trusted Ms Clinton since Bill was president. Nothing she's done since has engendered any improvement on her part.
And I'm reminded of what's been going on since the beginning of the panicdemic - if anyone comes out with any information that makes the virus less scary, said information is quickly "debunked." Like the malaria medication - which the Henry Ford Health Center now says saves the lives of a significant portion (like half) of those sickened by the virus. But no - Trump was a fool for suggesting it.
You have your opinions, I have mine. That's how this all works.
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tree68 jcburns And again my opinion: Clinton as Secretary of State worked hard enough for three cabinet officials, Tell that to the families of the personnel she abandoned in Benghazi. And how about that email server? She's one of the biggest crooks in DC. You may choose not to believe it, but that doesn't mean it's not true. And that's enough of this for me. Like talking to a wall.
jcburns And again my opinion: Clinton as Secretary of State worked hard enough for three cabinet officials,
Tell that to the families of the personnel she abandoned in Benghazi. And how about that email server?
She's one of the biggest crooks in DC. You may choose not to believe it, but that doesn't mean it's not true.
And that's enough of this for me. Like talking to a wall.
So why don't you practice what you preach? It's not because you certainly ever let a fact stand in your path.
Name calling has started at the top and rolled down the population since January 20, 2017.
Want division - start calling people names - use names that defy a groups humanity - works every time.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
jcburns Euclid JCBRUNS: CHECK YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGES. It's "Burns." Facts matter.
Euclid JCBRUNS: CHECK YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGES. It's "Burns." Facts matter.
JCBRUNS: CHECK YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGES.
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Paul of Covington jcburns Euclid JCBRUNS: CHECK YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGES. It's "Burns." Facts matter. But don't forget: we also have "alternative facts".
But don't forget: we also have "alternative facts".
Kellyanne actually choked a little when she said that
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I've mentioned this before, but I still think much of the devisiveness is the fault of our educational system. Everybody "knows" what's right, and if the news doesn't agree, then it's biased against the "truth."
From the beginning we are told what to believe. "Just memorize it; it'll be on the test." Don't ask why. Don't try to analyze it.
Above all, be loyal to your school. "My high school is the best high school!" Don't pay attention to any statistics that might say otherwise. "Our football team is the best football team!" If we lost the last game, it was because the officials were against us. Attach yourself to an organization and you'll never have to think again.
We see this in the politicians that value party loyalty above anything else in spite of the pledge they make when they are sworn in. As long as we get what we want, we can flout the Constitution and break whatever laws we can get away with.
JCBURNS: CHECK YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGES.
Which two states? And if "the press" is reporting the facts—the who, what, where, when and how in both cases, how is that "very different treatment"?
The press reports. The media, by en large, reports. They don't make up stuff—it's against their very nature.
Now "commentators" and "analysts"—they put out opinion, smart, neutral, or idiotic. That's not the reporting though. It'll do you well to keep them apart.
When a reporter for AP or Reuters or CBS News says X Y or Z happened, you can 99 times out of 100 take that to the bank. When someone on TV tries to tell you what that X Y or Z means—well, personally, I'd just take that for the very very little it's worth.
And yes, call me a radical, but I expect you to believe facts. You don't have to believe a single one of my or other opinions, but the facts, well-reported, yes, please believe them. Science is real. The earth is round. Facts.
jcburns Email server: thoroughly debunked by, y'know, facts. Let it go!
Email server: thoroughly debunked by, y'know, facts. Let it go!
You're entitled to believe that, but don't expect me to believe that.
As for the press coverage of how individual states have handled COVID-19, it is a bit strange to see two states with similar per capita case and fatality numbers get very different treatment by the press.
How many Benghazi investigations did the Republicans have?
How many charges and convictions resulted?
Someone said online something I could not say better:
"Barack Obama was the president of the Harvard law review and one of the most brilliant presidents in history and Donald Trump paid someone to take his SAT test and racists worship him.
God Bless America."
When you say "elite" with a sneer and a smirk, do you mean: bright, intelligent?
By the time of her 8+ hours of testimony in October 2015, Mrs. Clinton had already taken responsibility for the State Department’s handling of the attacks.
"I was the one who asked Chris (Stephens) to go to Libya as our envoy. I was the one who recommended him to be our Ambassador to to the President.
After the attacks, I stood next to President Obama as Marines carried his casket and those of the other three Americans off the plane at Andrews Air Force Base.
I took responsibility. And, as part of that, before I left office, I launched reforms to better protect our people in the field and help reduce the chance of another tragedy happening in the future."
Sounds pretty stand-up to me.
jcburnsEmail server: thoroughly debunked by, y'know, facts. Let it go! Benghazi: same deal.
Wow - even the MSM lied about them, then.
US Embassy attacked. Several US citizens died. Who's responsible for US Embassies? Oh, yeah - the Secretary of State. Funny thing about that.
Benghazi: same deal.
So is she lazy or is she a crook? Or is she a lazy crook? And by the way: she's not even in DC these days. All this namecalling!
jcburnsAnd again my opinion: Clinton as Secretary of State worked hard enough for three cabinet officials,
Again, I'm not cool with you having your own version of observable facts.
Ms. Clinton's record on election fraud IS exactly spotless.
The Democrats in Congress weren't looking for "something that might stick." They were awash in potential impeachable offenses pretty much from the moment Trump walked in the door. In my opinion, they showed restraint. That might have been a mistake.
The harrasment and assault charges against Kavanaugh are NOT a lie. He lied multiple times under oath to win confirmation.
And again my opinion: Clinton as Secretary of State worked hard enough for three cabinet officials, so my sense is her "overprepared" approach may well have saved lives in this pandemic. Calling her lazy is just such an insult...she works harder at this stuff than we ever could. It's OK if you don't like her personally (and plenty didn't), but holy moley, her work ethic leaves others in the dust.
jcburnsDoes that concern you? Are you embarrassed by that if he's your candidate?
The possible interference concerns me. I am, however, very glad that Ms Clinton lost. As optimistic as you all seem to be, I would opine that as individuals, you would not have been happy with the result, either. Ms Clinton's record regarding election fraud isn't exactly spotless.
As for the impeachment - the Dems started looking for reasons the day of the election. That it took them two years to find something they thought might stick speaks to their desperation.
And I'll stand by my opinion that the attacks on the POTUS would have occured no matter who the Republican winner was. Trump gave them ammunition. Had it been anyone else, the Dems would have found something. They found someone to make a sexual harrassment claim about Kavanaugh. Never mind that the charge was a lie.
tree68Will we see a graceful concession that the best candidate won, or will we see a campaign to re-establish the EC?
All this philosophastrizing and nobody has even mentioned the Arrow Impossibility Theorem yet? Be interesting to see what the various participants agree on if we posit effective 'one person-one vote' polling registration and administration and a straight non-partisan count of the raw results...
... but again, there's little if any railroad content other than train wrecks of arguments.
Of course we'd see a graceful concession.
This is part of the cynicism—you're asserting (under the surface) people want to abolish the EC just to win.
No. A growing number of people want to abolish it because it beats up on the concept of one person = one vote.
So. Virtually all of our federal intelligence sources not just say, but —AGREE—that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, successfully, to benefit Trump.
Does that concern you? Are you embarrassed by that if he's your candidate?
So - my usual question on this whole electoral college thing:
We've magically abolished the EC for the next election. "Your" candidate loses the popular vote but would have won the electoral vote.
Will we see a graceful concession that the best candidate won, or will we see a campaign to re-establish the EC?
daveklepper Not part of the current argument, but knowing the Israeli experience may be worthwhile, excerpted mostly from the Jeerusalem Post: Monday night. Daily coronavirus infections again surged past the 1,000 mark on Tuesday, with more than 6,000 new cases confirmed in the past week, according to the Health Ministry. The Health Ministry said in its morning update that the total number cases in the country had reached 31,186, a rise of 1,024 compared to Monday morning.
Not part of the current argument, but knowing the Israeli experience may be worthwhile, excerpted mostly from the Jeerusalem Post:
Monday night.
Daily coronavirus infections again surged past the 1,000 mark on Tuesday, with more than 6,000 new cases confirmed in the past week, according to the Health Ministry.
The Health Ministry said in its morning update that the total number cases in the country had reached 31,186, a rise of 1,024 compared to Monday morning.
Dave,
What was the total rise in cases during the prior week?
What was the total number of tests done during each of the two weeks?
Let's get away from the sophomore politics and back on the topic... although it will be a great stretch to find railroad-related subjects.
For those who don't believe me or the Germans about the actual transmissibility issue that ought to be addressed in policy, here might be 239 additional sources that might convince you.
https://watermark.silverchair.com/ciaa939.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAApwwggKYBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggKJMIIChQIBADCCAn4GCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMkLzX_h2p0Qnz_HKaAgEQgIICTzamH47BCgWAtxA1V_mnjDI7XQZrpUYKvqnTji-4ppkACn22brLfkGa1bZuXgBo-K5Hm9WfOfXP-l9p-cINjFUam2v_zMsXp1JigoZvyRODr9IG9Ou5xZ-eZtPv_mI4jTEyFJbztr_X15fNRvq2pQDm74NCW5CkDf3u358P05mkGOVsv0jAdiWMnHmFpGW5Wu1tKKzRSZyEv-A7KhmbHEr1RgCHWWlIPEeKVgXlMq69_irAgMazYUmWfKNRKOn4Tqo3tspIryiBjBrpSCLgTWhEGgR1wpiBgaj12zQyH0s1sXFIlB9PLU5SV-vfjQvgs7Eys32xs72sg48fHgDoL0LguMgbMcuSXSqNn4cGK9-xA9B_isQbeMJHPskQX1PeVCIBTjuXdGBeHVfnITUwci_Z4IM23SlHJXaY18Eb_Y6Ac72ojSehcctYaLpWHzGvpAywvhfctnZDFWiBwsiqnOi7nL9S1Kd-D-3q86LMldyMCq4FYeGvW7J74c4ZHb_R3b4w0bMJApGDImXbAwvASJacxWCcgnjcMbjXUI9d8A2EkjdRDiQ2V2VIiWybvgfTv3v-L6HCQ_Qc7yQhYxOlSE7jmvkj_keojpHlcFd9LOJkEdfF4lasOOeQIZAhYRezx94PCQeF_JS0ZoigxUJ_V0nVDe8kmyhudNrvopxz38Pj8fR459oK3d_xI7nL7NbjNtDfhQvbRmaIBYhsabwp6M93dgE5Dbdy_AusTOXZJx9omBqK1tW1WHqY9PiqAKKqY1ioWeAPhU-Q4Cox8pObC2Q
The cabinet accepted a proposal by Interior Minister Aryeh Deri to keep synagogues open, but with a maximum occupancy of 19 people, down from the current 50.
That decision also stated that within 48 hours, the Finance Ministry must introduce a compensation package for those harmed by the new regulations.
The number of active cases grew to a new record of 12,717. Of them, 85 were in serious condition, including 35 on ventilators. Another 85 were in moderate condition, and the rest were experiencing mild or no symptoms.
Four new COVID-19 deaths were recorded since Monday evening, bringing the toll since the start of the pandemic to 338, according to the ministry.
The ministry said 23,046 coronavirus tests were conducted on Monday, 4.6 percent of which returned with a positive result.
Legal slavery was once a fact, but we got past that.
Women not having the right to vote was a fact, but we got past that.
You're right, it may not change anytime "soon", but the Supreme Court has given the issue an avenue for change.
And some day we'll look back on the Electoral College and say "well, that wasn't very fair. Glad it's in our rear view mirror."
I don’t think that questioning the experts means that I am not taking the virus seriously. Actually, I think I am taking it far more seriously than most people do. I take it so seriously that I see no hope for the country surviving. But what I see most people taking seriously is the gigantic grievance of insult and blame woven through this disaster; as if that will solve anything.
Here the elements I see making up this dreadful experience:
A worldwide pandemic with no end in sight.
No clear origin or possible motive for start of the pandemic and the resulting international tensions possibly leading to hot war.
An economic depression making itself felt within the next 3-4 months that will devastate this county like no disaster we have ever faced before. It will impose hardship, shortages, massive disorder and crime, and a wipe out all of everyone’s purchasing power.
The postponement of the 2020 election.
charlie hebdoYork1: Do you know the original reason for why the voters' ballots in larger population states count for less than those in places with fewer people and cities? Do you think this legacy designed to protect the power of slave-holding states is right today?
I, for one, am not arguing about the reasons for the Electoral College, although I know that you and I would disagree about the those.
The Electoral College is a fact. The United States is a republic, not a democracy.
The Supreme Court case discussed yesterday has no effect on that. It will not change until at least 38 states agree to it. In other words, it's not going to change any time soon.
On a side note, I hope I am alive when a Republican wins the popular vote. I will watch with amusement as some of the 15 states see their state's electoral votes go to a politician who did not win their state's popular vote.
York1 John
I asked my doctor if I gave up delicious food and all alcohol, would I live longer? He said, "No, but it will seem longer."
Flintlock76You know who wants to get rid of the Electoral College? The same ones who say "I'd rather be right than be president."
How about getting rid of winner-take-all in the other 48 states? Seems like it'd be more fair.
Of course, so would having primaries all on the same day.
Democrats always underestimate their success with younger candidates. Also afraid to tackle the healthcare debate - which is more important than ever now.
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