charlie hebdo Well that's typical, just typical: just a bunch of personal opinions devoid of any factual support portrayed as conclusions. But what the heck, you don't need no stinkin' facts!
Oh spare me. There are plenty of facts in what I said. The facts that are missing are the ones being kept secret.
Euclid charlie hebdo Well that's typical, just typical: just a bunch of personal opinions devoid of any factual support portrayed as conclusions. But what the heck, you don't need no stinkin' facts! Oh spare me. There are plenty of facts in what I said. The facts that are missing are the ones being kept secret.
Secret? If so, are you claiming to be privy to those secrets or are you just blowing smoke while claiming all you say is factual? In other words, you are embedding your guesses or gut feelings in known information to lend credence to your speculation.
The tribal blockades are now kinda like our presidential election. Page 5 news.
Euclid Oh spare me. There are plenty of facts in what I said. The facts that are missing are the ones being kept secret.
As someone once said:
Euclid Source?
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Everything Euclid wrote in his latest on the blockades is correct. We may never know any of the facts. The Feds are saying nothing whatsoever, and the Chiefs are not either. That is widely reported in all Canadian media and easy to find but is now buried under the Covid reporting.
Eventually something will slip out, when the parties involved think the time is right, like Friday at midnight on a long weekend a year from now.
As if Americans read Canadian media. I know Wayne Flintlock does. Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is!
Lithonia OperatorThe tribal blockades are now kinda like our presidential election. Page 5 news.
Can you imagine how unpopular those blockades would be today considering the pandemic and resultant panic buying?
The Mounties would have to save the protesters from the torch-n-pitchfork brigade.
Miningman Everything Euclid wrote in his latest on the blockades is correct. We may never know any of the facts. The Feds are saying nothing whatsoever, and the Chiefs are not either. That is widely reported in all Canadian media and easy to find but is now buried under the Covid reporting. Eventually something will slip out, when the parties involved think the time is right, like Friday at midnight on a long weekend a year from now. As if Americans read Canadian media. I know Wayne Flintlock does. Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is!
How can you possibly know and say everything Euclid says is true when many facts are secret?
Saying something without any factual information to support it is just a guy rumbling and worthless.
charlie hebdoHow can you possibly know and say everything Euclid says is true when many facts are secret?
Is it not possible to know that some facts are secret?
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MiningmanAs if Americans read Canadian media. I know Wayne Flintlock does. Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is!
Canada City. Duh.
MiningmanEventually something will slip out, when the parties involved think the time is right, like Friday at midnight on a long weekend a year from now.
Maybe they offered them a 24-pack of toilet paper?
It has been well covered and widely reported that the negotiations and the resultant deal are secret and not disclosed.
That's all he is saying.
charlie hebdo Miningman Everything Euclid wrote in his latest on the blockades is correct. We may never know any of the facts. The Feds are saying nothing whatsoever, and the Chiefs are not either. That is widely reported in all Canadian media and easy to find but is now buried under the Covid reporting. Eventually something will slip out, when the parties involved think the time is right, like Friday at midnight on a long weekend a year from now. As if Americans read Canadian media. I know Wayne Flintlock does. Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is! How can you possibly know and say everything Euclid says is true when many facts are secret? Saying something without any factual information to support it is just a guy rumbling and worthless.
You seem to suggest that I claim to know what the secret facts are, and then you say that knowing that is impossible if the facts are secret as I say they are. However, I never claimed to know, or stated what the secret facts actually are. All I claimed is the facts of the Wet’suwet’en agreement are secret and that is widely reported in the news in Canada.
The essential point being missed with all this talk of unknow-able secrecy is this: there wa a wide range of 'me-too' solidarity, building to a train-torching frenzy in an apparent reluctance if not outright refusal to use the police power. Some Canadian sources indicated that many of the actual blockade goons were activists, some supposedly students/academics.
Whatever the 'secret' deal was, it shut down the root cause of that solidarity, and to my knowledge did it in a way that has not caused any pressure group to try the tactic again. Since it's been stipulated by all parties that the pipeline is still 'on' (and the alternate routes favored by the hereditary chiefs uniformly acknowledged as 'more environmentally damaging' -- that's not secret) then what remains that could have gotten all those people to quit near-simultaneously, and stay quit.
Many of us - myself among them - were expecting copycat actions to bloom like civil disobedience in Romania as soon as it was clear the government was not intending to act directly. That has not happened, either.
That is a far more interesting thing for investigative journalism than more whining about the Ruchstecke to lots of underrepresented Canadians from Justin Trudeau's supposedly secret and supposedly callow plan...
I do not believe that stopping the pipeline was the true objective. I suspect that the threat of stopping the pipeline was only a bargaining chip for a greater objective. I speculate that the true objective was greater control by the Wet’suwet’en people over their land in a way that would allow them to charge fees for the right of companies to develop energy resources on that land. And while I speculate that this is what Justin Trudeau offered, I have not seen any confirmation that the Wet’suwet’en people have accepted the offer. It seems to be reported that the Wet’suwet’en people are only considering the offer, and that they remain firmly opposed to the pipeline.
One thing for sure is total recognition and adoption of the United Nations decree on Aboriginal Land Titles, Sovereignty, Self Government, and Massive Reparations. The Trudeau government was on board with that all along anyway.
I'll keep a watchful eye on any leaks and information. They can't hide forever and this Covid virus will eventually cease to give cover. I hope.
I agree with Vince, Euclid has it right this time. Am I a Canadian enough source?
I can go back and dig up some CBC/CTV/NP/Globe articles if you like.
Overmod I confess I can't figure out exactly why the deal isn't public knowledge. For the blockades to have ended as definitively as it appears they have, the 'relevant' provisions certainly seem to have been believable enough ... and on-point enough ... to satisfy the range of people motivated to take serious action. Perhaps Trudeau's government is worried that other groups or factions will see some aspects of its 'offer' as an invitation to conduct their own little copycat 'blockade' actions. I'm certainly not going to try to reach actual 'conclusions' about something I don't know and really can't know.
I confess I can't figure out exactly why the deal isn't public knowledge. For the blockades to have ended as definitively as it appears they have, the 'relevant' provisions certainly seem to have been believable enough ... and on-point enough ... to satisfy the range of people motivated to take serious action. Perhaps Trudeau's government is worried that other groups or factions will see some aspects of its 'offer' as an invitation to conduct their own little copycat 'blockade' actions. I'm certainly not going to try to reach actual 'conclusions' about something I don't know and really can't know.
The Native leaders now have to take the deal back to their people and discuss it. If the government were to immediately publicize and politicize the deal's terms this would be viewed as negotiating in bad faith.
As I posted on page 6 of this thread, but no one seems to have noticed, this is the same process my Union and employer follow once a tentative agreement has been reached in contract negotations.
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zugmann Miningman As if Americans read Canadian media. I know Wayne Flintlock does. Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is! Canada City. Duh.
Miningman As if Americans read Canadian media. I know Wayne Flintlock does. Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is!
No, it's Toronto. Everyone knows that. Especially those who live there.....
Trust our Canadian cousins like Miningman and the SD70Dude on this issue folks. They're on-site, for lack of a better term. We're not. The American press paid little to no attention to the recent events in Canada, so they're not to be relied on overmuch, any coverage they did give it was more like an afterthought.
The Kardashians were more important. At least until "All coronavirus, ALL the time!" became the headline-grabber.
The KKKKKK squad can keep the headlines. We Kanucks prefer to fly (by night) under the radar.
SD70Dude zugmann Miningman As if Americans read Canadian media. I know Wayne Flintlock does. Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is! Canada City. Duh. No, it's Toronto. Everyone knows that. Especially those who live there.....
Johnny
Toronto is French for "Canada City".
Flintlock76 Trust our Canadian cousins like Miningman and the SD70Dude on this issue folks. They're on-site, for lack of a better term. We're not. The American press paid little to no attention to the recent events in Canada, so they're not to be relied on overmuch, any coverage they did give it was more like an afterthought.
Deggesty Hey, what's that tall building near the Chateau Laurier? I had a personal tour of it several years ago after pleading that my wife and I were going to meet a friend that morning and go to the museum. We enjoyed the museum so much that we went back a few years later.
Hey, what's that tall building near the Chateau Laurier? I had a personal tour of it several years ago after pleading that my wife and I were going to meet a friend that morning and go to the museum. We enjoyed the museum so much that we went back a few years later.
You mean across the Rideau Canal, on top of the hill above the Ottawa River? That's our Parliament buildings.
The Chateau Laurier was built by the Grand Trunk Railway, and was the pride of CN Hotels for many years.
It is across the street from the old Ottawa Union Station, and CP's line to the Alexandra Bridge and their north shore lines ran underneath the hotel.
Euclid Flintlock76 Trust our Canadian cousins like Miningman and the SD70Dude on this issue folks. They're on-site, for lack of a better term. We're not. The American press paid little to no attention to the recent events in Canada, so they're not to be relied on overmuch, any coverage they did give it was more like an afterthought. I read the Canadian press reports because I was intersted in the story.
I read the Canadian press reports because I was intersted in the story.
Yeah, that's the only way to find out what's going on north of the border. Looks like the American press only got interested in Canada when Harry and Meghan moved to British Columbia.
Flintlock76 Yeah, that's the only way to find out what's going on north of the border. Looks like the American press only got interested in Canada when Harry and Meghan moved to British Columbia.
My favourite part was the water taxi driver (captain?) who refused to take the paparazzi near the island they were supposedly staying on.
They're people too, leave them alone!
Well good for that water taxi driver!
I concur, leave those kids alone!
Miningman Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is!
I thought the "capital" of Canada was the loonie.
MidlandMike Miningman Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is! I thought the "capital" of Canada was the loonie.
Toonies are better. Just don't pop the centre out!
MiningmanEven well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is!
Lithonia Operator Miningman Even well known reporters and analysts don't have a clue what the capital of Canada is! Gretzkyville?
We did name a freeway in Edmonton after him. Mark Messier got his own road too.
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