Didn't Reading Temrinal close after 1960? I recall taking a train to Newark, NJ after the Aldene plan had been effected, from Reading Terminal.
One State Capitol lost all its rail passenger service when the Baltimore and Annapolis discontinued rail passenger service during that period, but Annapolis did not have one million residents.
If the census figures are correct then the question is not correct.
Did Atlanta lose its downtown stations at the time? Close to million, fi not actually a million.
According to the census figures I've seen in both 1950 and 1960 only five cities had populations of one million or more. These were: New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia and Detroit. I'd guess it was Reading Terminal in Philadelphia.
Mark
Syraacuse, NY comes to mind when the downtown NYC station was closed and the ROW given over to the 4 lane highway system; station became Grayhound's! New stop was at E.Syracuse/Dewitt.
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During the 1950s many towns and cities in the U.S. experienced the closure of passenger stations and the loss of intercity service provided at those stations. Which city with a population of over one million people was the only one during that decade to lose a station and the entire loss of service provided there? This applies to a primary downtown station, not peripheral stops.
daveklepper Both ran on the NYNH&H, B&M, and CV from Grand Central Terminal to Wells River (and perhaps beyhond?).
Both ran on the NYNH&H, B&M, and CV from Grand Central Terminal to Wells River (and perhaps beyhond?).
In 1943, and in 1950, the Day White Mountains ran between NYC and Berlin (N. H.) In 1943, it also had coaches to Montreal.
The Guides that I currently have near my computer do not list the Night White Mountains, but I do have a memory of having seen the train listed. It also may have gone up to Berlin.
Johnny
adkdivfan Alleghany, PRR. Shenandoah, B&O. Ozarker, MP. Taconic, NH. Hoosac, B&M. Klamath, SP.
Alleghany, PRR. Shenandoah, B&O. Ozarker, MP. Taconic, NH. Hoosac, B&M. Klamath, SP.
All good answers even though some are really only part of a larger and better known mountain range. e.g. the Hoosac Range which is a part of the Berkshires.
Since you have named six and Henry and Al only five each the tie is broken and the next question is yours adkdivfan.
I know of only two other trains that could be added to the list, the CB&Q's Ozark State Zephyr and one of NH/B&M's White Mountains. While Henry mentioned the White Mountains there were actually two such trains, one named the Day White Mountains and the other the Night White Mountains.
Right now it's a tie with Al and Henry naming 5 trains apiece. There are at least four more trains that I know of so I'll leave the question open for a while to see if anyone can identify them and hopefully break the tie.
The White Mountan Express...B&M, MEC from Boston and Portland to Montreal
The Pocono Express...DL&W Buffalo to NY
The Adarondack...D&H Alban-Montreal
The Berkshire HIlls...NH New York City to Pittsfield MA
The Catskill Flyer (?) ..Ulster and Delaware, NYC, Weehawken to Oneonta
Green Mountain Flyer...Rutland, Bennington,VT to Rouses Pt.,NY
KCSfan A number of train names included the name of mountain ranges. Name as many as you can and the RR's over which they ran. Let's keep it to US trains that operated sometime between 1945 and 1959. Remember only mountain ranges count not individual mountains like the El Capitan for example. Mark
A number of train names included the name of mountain ranges. Name as many as you can and the RR's over which they ran.
Let's keep it to US trains that operated sometime between 1945 and 1959. Remember only mountain ranges count not individual mountains like the El Capitan for example.
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I came up with five in your latest question.
CASCADE SP Portland Oakland with through sleepers to Seattle.
CASCADIAN GN Spokane - Seattle
LAURENTIAN D&H /NYC New York - Montreal
MINNESOTA & BLACK HILLS EXPRESS C&NW Minneapolis - Rapid City
ROCKY MOUNTAIN ROCKET CRI&P Chicago - Denver/Colorado Springs
Al - in - Stockton
KCSfan Well the Pioneer Zephyr trainset is the obvious one that comes to mind. It originally ran between KC and Lincoln, NE. For a time it was paired with the Mark Twain Zephyr and the duo ran between Chicago and Denver as the Advanced Denver Zephyr. I believe it also saw service for a brief time on the Chicago to Minneapolis/St. Paul route. Its last route prior to being retired was IIIRC between Galesburg, IL and Lincoln. Mark
Well the Pioneer Zephyr trainset is the obvious one that comes to mind. It originally ran between KC and Lincoln, NE. For a time it was paired with the Mark Twain Zephyr and the duo ran between Chicago and Denver as the Advanced Denver Zephyr. I believe it also saw service for a brief time on the Chicago to Minneapolis/St. Paul route. Its last route prior to being retired was IIIRC between Galesburg, IL and Lincoln.
The Pioneer Zephyr was the first streamlined diesel powered streamliner to operate in the United States. The three named services it operated under were as follows:
It first entered service between Lincoln -Omaha - St. Joseph - Kansas City round trip daily as the 9900 ZEPHYR.
It was one of the two trains assigned to the ADVANCE DENVER ZEPHYR between Chicago and Denver between May 31, 1936 and November 7, 1936 operating opposite the MARK TWAIN ZEPHYR as you mentioned.
And the third named assignment of the Pioneer Zephyr was as the OZARK STATE ZEPHYR round trip daily between Kansas City and St. Louis.
Your question Mark
KCSfan I'm hard pressed to think of any GN, NP or Frisco trains that meet the requirements. A Santa Fe trainset comes to mind as a possibility but I still think it was a Burlington train, so my next question is, was it a CB&Q train? Mark
I'm hard pressed to think of any GN, NP or Frisco trains that meet the requirements. A Santa Fe trainset comes to mind as a possibility but I still think it was a Burlington train, so my next question is, was it a CB&Q train?
KCSfan Dang, I thought sure it was the MTZ since it fits your original question and all the prior answers. Guess I need to narrow it down a bit more before guessing a specific train. Was the RR that operated the train a predecessor of today's BNSF? Mark
Dang, I thought sure it was the MTZ since it fits your original question and all the prior answers. Guess I need to narrow it down a bit more before guessing a specific train.
Was the RR that operated the train a predecessor of today's BNSF?
KCSfan Al, I'll have a try at answering. Was it the CB&Q's Mark Twain Zephyr? It originally ran between St. Louis and Burlington, IA. Its next assignment was a brief one running as the Advanced Denver Zephyr between Chicago and Denver. Following that it ran as one of the Twin Cities Zephyrs between Chicago and Minneapolis.St. Paul. I'm not sure but I think it next was returned to it's original StL-Burlington route running again as the MTZ. This was followed by an assignment running between St.L and KC, as a joint CB&Q/Alton train named either the MTZ or maybe the Ozark Zephyr. I recall reading somewhere that its last route before being retired was between Galesburg, IL and St. Joe, MO but I can't confirm that from any of the OG's that I have and I don't know what it was named when running in this service. I'm pretty sure of these routes though I may not have them in the correct order. Mark
Al, I'll have a try at answering. Was it the CB&Q's Mark Twain Zephyr?
It originally ran between St. Louis and Burlington, IA. Its next assignment was a brief one running as the Advanced Denver Zephyr between Chicago and Denver. Following that it ran as one of the Twin Cities Zephyrs between Chicago and Minneapolis.St. Paul. I'm not sure but I think it next was returned to it's original StL-Burlington route running again as the MTZ. This was followed by an assignment running between St.L and KC, as a joint CB&Q/Alton train named either the MTZ or maybe the Ozark Zephyr. I recall reading somewhere that its last route before being retired was between Galesburg, IL and St. Joe, MO but I can't confirm that from any of the OG's that I have and I don't know what it was named when running in this service.
I'm pretty sure of these routes though I may not have them in the correct order.
Al - in - Stockton.
KCSfan Al, Was the trainset given different names when it ran on each of its several different routes? Mark
Al,
Was the trainset given different names when it ran on each of its several different routes?
KCSfan Were the different routes of this train all in the geographical area between Illinois and the Rockies? Mark
Were the different routes of this train all in the geographical area between Illinois and the Rockies?
KCSfan passengerfan Deggesty Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right? Johnny Thats 2 down 18 to go. Al - in - Stockton Geez Al, if you'r going to charge Johnny for that question at least give him a yes or no answer. Mark
passengerfan Deggesty Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right? Johnny Thats 2 down 18 to go. Al - in - Stockton
Deggesty Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right? Johnny
Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right?
Geez Al, if you'r going to charge Johnny for that question at least give him a yes or no answer.
Deggesty passengerfan I am looking for the name of a train the RR that operated that train and at least three of the routes the train was assigned to? Al - in - Stockton Gentlemen you have twenty questions starting now. Al, I take it that you are saying that a particular road used a particular set of equipment over at least three different routes, and, each time, called the schedule by the name assigned to the equipment. Am I right? Johnny
passengerfan I am looking for the name of a train the RR that operated that train and at least three of the routes the train was assigned to? Al - in - Stockton Gentlemen you have twenty questions starting now.
I am looking for the name of a train the RR that operated that train and at least three of the routes the train was assigned to?
Gentlemen you have twenty questions starting now.
al-in-chgo The George Washington, Chesapeake & Ohio, Washington, D.C. (Newport News) - train joined in Charlottesville, VA, then ran thru West Virginia but was "decoupled" with one stem going thru Frankfort, KY to Louisville, and the "main" portion going to Cincinnati, OH, terminus, where it connected with such day trains as the James Whitcomb Riley up to Chicago. There may have been other "moving parts" to the C&O's best-known varnish up 'til the late Fifties, but I have indicated: one operating entity / operating under one name / with three routes no matter how you slice them (Newport News - C'ville), Wash. D.C. to Cincinnati (and/or branch to Louisville). I don't know if this is the train you had in mind, but does it fit your definition? - a.s.
The George Washington, Chesapeake & Ohio, Washington, D.C. (Newport News) - train joined in Charlottesville, VA, then ran thru West Virginia but was "decoupled" with one stem going thru Frankfort, KY to Louisville, and the "main" portion going to Cincinnati, OH, terminus, where it connected with such day trains as the James Whitcomb Riley up to Chicago.
There may have been other "moving parts" to the C&O's best-known varnish up 'til the late Fifties, but I have indicated: one operating entity / operating under one name / with three routes no matter how you slice them (Newport News - C'ville), Wash. D.C. to Cincinnati (and/or branch to Louisville).
I don't know if this is the train you had in mind, but does it fit your definition? - a.s.
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