I don't understand the dependency. Does the structure still exist between that point over Myrtle Avenue to the point where the operating tracks from the active junction join (or joined) it? Isn't it more likely that the upper level was left in place because the tower was still in use when the line to Bridge and Jay was abandoned, and then nobody had a budget for removing the upper level when the control was located elsehwere?
That is the tower. It is still there. It is dead, it controls nothing, switches are controlled from master tower.
The structure is still there. The existing lines are structurally dependent on this part of the structure.
ROAR
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Is the upper level at Broadway-Myrtle still there? Not removed after the line to Bridge and Jay (earlier to Brooklyn Bridge) was torn down? Why is it still there? Because that is where tower was and may still be and the tower thcontrolled switches that still are in use where the Metropolitan Avenue tracks split from the East NY tracks? But aren't those switches controlled from somewhere else now?
Broadway/Myrtle Avenue Upper level?
Are you showing the full picture or did you crop it to make getting the answer more difficult?
From your question I might guess it is the Oak Point tower on the New York Connecting Rilroad's HG Bridge line, but I would have to admit I am just guessing. Just a bit more of the surrounding area would help a lot. (Oak POint is at the Bronx end of the bridge.)
Here is a landmark tower on a landmark line.
From color and typography I would say IRT. Dyckman St. Station. has a later style, which may not be original, but installed at the time of platform lengthening.
And the location might be the grille that separates the northbound or westbound platform from the LIRR underground RofW which includes a space for a track that once may have existed linking the LIRR to the IRT, reputadly used by August Belmont's private car Mineola on his trips to LI. (The car is at Shore LIne Trolley Museum, Branford and East Haven.
Atlantic Avene has three platforms, one in the center between the n and s Lexington Avenue tracks and one at each side of the station serving only the 7th Avenue line tracks. The center tracks are used only by Lexington Avenue trains and the side tracks only by 7th Avenue trains. Across the platform transfer between them is available at Nevins Street, an adjacent station.
Lion can correct me if I am wrong, since the last time I was there was about 18 years ago.
The Atlantic Avenue BMT Station has one center platform and serves only the Brighton Line, now the Q and B trains. Also part of the comples is the BMT Pacific Street Station serving the 4th Avenue, Sea Beach, and West End lines, the R, N, and D, with four tracks and two platforms, each between local and express tracks. Passeges provide free transfer between all three subway stations and also connect to the LIRR station concourse.
Clearly this is the northbound side, the southbound side does not have a retaining wall.
No point in even trying to guess this one, I know knot the answer. Yes, it is at Atlantic Avenue, but it could be on the IRT, the BMT, or the LIRR,
Am I supposed to guess whether it is the northbound or southbound platform? I think I will pass on that!
The newly refurbished platform at Dyckman Street.
Then we can be assured that the E177 Yard WAS full!
But with respect to the track between 125 and 137 on Broadway, you are correct and it is level. Inspection of your photograph shows the front of the train vertical and parallel with the vertical windows of the adjacent buildings.
I have a photo in the opposite direction from 125th, toward 116th St. showing the Low-V nostalgia train on the center track, and once I figure out how to post, I will do so. It is an important photo for me because it shows the Jewish Theological Seminary building on the left side of Broadway, where I studied for my Bar Mitzvah. Of course I was continually distracted by the subway trains and Huffliner and convertable streetcars easily seen out the window.
daveklepperWas it completely free of flooding?
Nope. It looks like it flooded. (LION look at google map of floods.)
You are correct on two counts, it is above sea level, and it won't be flooded. Good photoograph, and thanks for posting. How about the surface Westchester Yard, fairly close to Pelham Bay, off the 6 line with a grade approach to the elevated structure? Was it completely free of flooding? I know the Broadway 238th St and Concourse-Jerome yards were high enough, but what about Westchester?
daveklepperIn addition to Lenox there is the small underground yard between 137th and 145th under Broadway.
The 137th Street yard is way high above sea level, and while it is underground there is no way it can be flooded. The previous stop was 125th Street. 137th Street is at the same elevation r/t sea level as the 125th Street Station.
Lenox Avenue on the other hand is in a deep valley, probably was a water channel at one time.
You are correct the BMT-IND equipment could not go there. In addition to Lenox there is the small underground yard between 137th and 145th under Broadway. Makes sence that they use`the old reliable "Red Birds" as work motors. The R33-R36's were originally in a light blue and cream color scheme for the '64 Worlds Fair, then dark blue and grey, and then red. The R33's were married pairs and the R36's the single cars. Instead of having operable window sash like the previous SMEEE cars, they have the tilt-ins. Originally, they only ran on the 7.
daveklepper and was probably full during Sandy
and was probably full during Sandy
Well, LENOX yard is low area, and trains would evacuate up there. but that is not all that many.
BMT/IND equipment cannot go there. They would smack into the platforms.
glad to know the litle (by NY standards) yard is still there.
The photo was taken this summer.
The Redbirds are clearly work motors of some sort.
I had thought that the small operating yard on the south side of the 2 and 5 line running mostly E-W between E180 and E177 was torn down, but apparently it still exists or at least still did when this photo was taken. Looks to me like the R33-36's shown are laid up and not at the moment in service and that you are photographing from the side of a passing 2 or 5 train. It is or was a yard on an elevated structure.
It may be of interest to note that in the South Bronx, the 6 is under Southern Blvd, and the 2 and 5 over Westchester Avenue (also 2nd then 3rd Ave. El trains rush hours in the distant past), while in the North Bronx the 6 is over Westchester Avenue and a short bit of the 2 and 5 over Southern Boulevard.
You confirmed about what I wrote about southern Westchester Avenue, tracks used by trains both to White Plains Rd (Ave. except on subway signs) and Dyer Avenue, 2 and 5 respectively, with 5 thru expresses using the center track and running nonstop 149-180 to White Plains Road. Actually south of Freeman Street. Betwee
BroadwayLion I actually ID'd the top one as Flushing, but in checking the Chain Lines for the IRT, we find that the F chain on the Lenox Ave-White Plains Road line. The Chain line is the measurement from a know zero point, the letter tells which line it is, so looking at that signal 25,800 feet north of 96st street. on the number 3 track. (Almost 5 miles). For the second picture, that was taken on the East 180th Street platform in the Bronx (same line). Those newer cars (The R142s) are being rebuilt and are moving to the Flushing line, the R-63s of the Flushing line will be going to the (6) line. The flushing Line is to be automated after the same manner as the (L) line. More about chains here. ROAR
I actually ID'd the top one as Flushing, but in checking the Chain Lines for the IRT, we find that the F chain on the Lenox Ave-White Plains Road line. The Chain line is the measurement from a know zero point, the letter tells which line it is, so looking at that signal 25,800 feet north of 96st street. on the number 3 track. (Almost 5 miles).
For the second picture, that was taken on the East 180th Street platform in the Bronx (same line). Those newer cars (The R142s) are being rebuilt and are moving to the Flushing line, the R-63s of the Flushing line will be going to the (6) line. The flushing Line is to be automated after the same manner as the (L) line.
More about chains here.
The photo you identify as at E180 could not possibly be there. The RifW both south and north of E180 is for three tracks, not two. And there is a fourth track with a flyover to the old NYW&B RofW northbound. Furthermore, the line northbound curves to the left leaving E180 (not the NYW&B RofW to Dyer which is straight, after the switches and flyover) and looking to the south the RofW cuves to the right and is on an elevated structure. I am pretty certain it is the Canarsie line, with the trailing switch on the right leading to t he small yard, the level auto parking, and the structure of the New Lots line in the distant background.
I believe the lower one is on the L Canarsie Line near the East 55th Street station, or the last stop, Rockaway Avenue (Pkwy?) looking north. The road overpass is new, probably built since I have been there, but in the background dimly seen is the IRT line to New Lots Avenue.
I would have guessed the upper one as on the Flushing Line, 7, looking toward Manhattan, but the red circle in the top center of the distant train identifies it as 1, 2, or 3, so my guess is on Westchester Avenue somehwere south of 177th Street Station on the 2 and 5 line, with the train shown being a 2, looking south from the front window of a 5.
I think I am doing pretty well, enjoying it, and hope to continue. Why object? Keeps me from getting Altzheimee's. So consider this one of your many good deeds. (I am 81-1/2.)
LION thinks you should quit while you are a head. This is taken just as the (7) train emerges from the Steinway Tunnel at Hunters Point Avenue, you are looking east at LIRR tracks west of Harold Tower. Sunnyside yards are still well east of this location.
Image from Google Maps... LION added.
I'll take another guess. It is LIRR trackage, not subway lines. That is a fact, not a guess. And the view is from a No, 7 line station, also a fact, not a guess. But the guess is that it is from the Woodside Station city-bound platform looking west.
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