CSX 4617

[Railfan1]

I saw this in Folkston last weekend. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1275215

It looks like the cab is "CSX blue". Is this the orginal cab or is it a replacement cab from a CSX YN2?

[doghouse]

 

Like the energizer bunny, those old EMD units keep going and going... .

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

I would think that it's the original cab.  The now-faded blue paint was probably applied when the locomotive was re-numbered.

[Railfan1]

OK, thanks.

[trainfan1221]

That was a great catch, C&O lettering and all.

[Railfan1]

Yeah, I was quiet suprised.

[oskar]

To this day I am still surprised it is still in C&O paint. I was able to catch it earlier this year with a fellow SD40, CSX 4607 on a rock train in Augusta. One of the best consist this year for me.

 

Kevin

[trainfan1221]

What is sad is how rare it can be to even see a plain SD40 anymore.

[trainfan1221]

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, this engine is in a picture in the latest issue of Trains.

[espee481]

I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, this engine is in a picture in the latest issue of Trains.

 LOL i was just going to say that.  I thought it looked familiar for some reason!

[WSOR 3801]

It does get around.  Shots from Janesville, WI December 2006.

[Awesome!]

Just paint them blue with a CONRAIL logo!

[oskar]

That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone.

 

 

Kevin

[EJE818]

No, no Conrail logo is needed on 4617! Hopefully it will be around for a long time and when the time comes to retire it, CSX sends it to a museum like it deserves. It amazes me 4617 is still running around because not only is it the last C&O engines, but CSX has been slowly retiring the straight SD40s the last few years, yet it has continued to dodge both the paint shop and being retired.

[WCfan]

I would think that it's the original cab.  The now-faded blue paint was probably applied when the locomotive was re-numbered.

Actually, she might of been in an Accident of some sort, as she never ahd that blue cab, before.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=153658&nseq=10

I never knew any C&O painted locomotives where even around on the CSX!

[EJE818]

They probably applied that blue under the cab because the old number faded so badly they needed a new one or they could've done it when they applied the yellow CSX patches on the ends. It doesn't look like a replacement cab though as it is still C&O blue around the cab windows and on the nose. It could've also been in some kind of minor sideswipe collision that caused the old number to be unrecognizable, if that is the case, it is amszing it didn't get a full repaint. It looks like that "new" number on the cab has been there for a while.

[Tjsingle]

That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone.

 

 

Kevin

How so why do you not like conrail? It wasn't a a failure Its purpose was to rebuild, and then be integrated into another system.

[trainfan1221]

I don't know if this is oskar's reasoning, but a lot of people who were fans of the older railroads probably feel that Conrail eliminated their existence.  They didn't have much use for much of the trackage they received, and whole portions of known and historical railroads ceased to exist as CR trimmed away.   The northeast railscene is a lot different now, a lot of lines are gone forever, and it is largely in part due to Conrail.  But do I think they did what they had to so they could make it profitable?  Sure, and it was a good railroad that like so many others became too successful to survive.  Yes, I know it survives as a terminal rr, I don't count that.

[Tjsingle]

I do see your point, many lines were erased, yet some shortlines have popped up. Conrail was meant to revive the dying rail system in the northeast, yet alot of lines were lost, but railroads come and go. Well about the lines becoming profitable, is lets say a coal mine, has  no more coal to mine in the town, and its railserved, if the coal mine is biggest industry in the town, the railroad would downsize the operation and serve local industries such as lumber dealers. Conrail did go through a money issue, and had to downsize, to keep the company alive, its  not like they did it to ruin industries, but out of keeping the company alive, for the greater good.

really now why would you call conrail, confail, it served its purpose.  

Tjsingle

[csxengineer98]

That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone.

 

 

Kevin

amen to that.. all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk.. i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment.. my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge.. they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had... always had issues with them too.. never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power...

csx engineer 

[Tjsingle]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

[trainfan1221]

Well as stated I'm not, but at least they come up with some interesting nicknames.

[csxengineer98]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

let me ask you something befor i respond with my reasons...

you a railroader or not...

csx engineer 

[oskar]

I would have to agree with csxengineer. I have been in a few connies and a freind took me on a few rides on them and he just hates them. I also do not like them and freinds in the south do not like them as well. There are many othere reasons I do not like them but, I would probably say something I shouldn't.

 

I also did not appeciate (not) Awesome's comment about painting the last C&O SD40 into Conrail paint, so random and pointless. I would rather see it in YN3 than Confail paint.

 

 

Kevin

[Awesome!]

I would have to agree with csxengineer. I have been in a few connies and a freind took me on a few rides on them and he just hates them. I also do not like them and freinds in the south do not like them as well. There are many othere reasons I do not like them but, I would probably say something I shouldn't.

 

I also did not appeciate (not) Awesome's comment about painting the last C&O SD40 into Conrail paint, so random and pointless. I would rather see it in YN3 than Confail paint.

 

 

Kevin

Kevin:

I just write my opinion.. you don't need to agree with it. Keep in mind is just a forum. We all write opinions. Don't take it personal... Life is too short.

Javier

[Awesome!]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?

[csxengineer98]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?

no one said anything about hateing you per say... just that your fanatic defence of a railroad that you dont know much about other then reading books and watching the trains go by is a bit over the top... being a train buff you dont get to see what we that do work for the carriers see is the behind the seans and talk that goes on between crews of differnt roads... you see a nice engin or a track that looks like its in nice shape...we crews see the junk and beat up condition of the cabs and the bandaids that are put on things just to get it out of the door... its nice to be loyal to something..but some of you gonrail nuts dont know what it was like for us crews to get our hands on them bright blue engins you all hold so near and dear... the uncomfortable toad stool seats for 211 miles... blue cemical crappers that smelled and if you tried to use them turned anything that came in conact with the seat blue even if you used a "butt gasket"...the realy pain in the but radios that had the up and down rocker switches to change the radio channels insted of the keypads for push button use.. HTDs that the distance counters didnt work..even the newer power was in bad shape.. the seat arm rests where defomaed to the point that the metal suport would poke you and to prevent getting hurt on a metal bur or courner..the shop just wraped the whole arm rest in ductap... from a crew standpoint them nice blue engins are nothing but nice blue piles of junk.. that is why we "hate" conrail as you put it.. or at least why i dont care for there engins and call them junk at any chance i get.. becouse from my point of view..they are all gonrail junk and need to be gone from the csx rosters too...

csx engineer 

[Tjsingle]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?

no one said anything about hateing you per say... just that your fanatic defence of a railroad that you dont know much about other then reading books and watching the trains go by is a bit over the top... being a train buff you dont get to see what we that do work for the carriers see is the behind the seans and talk that goes on between crews of differnt roads... you see a nice engin or a track that looks like its in nice shape...we crews see the junk and beat up condition of the cabs and the bandaids that are put on things just to get it out of the door... its nice to be loyal to something..but some of you gonrail nuts dont know what it was like for us crews to get our hands on them bright blue engins you all hold so near and dear... the uncomfortable toad stool seats for 211 miles... blue cemical crappers that smelled and if you tried to use them turned anything that came in conact with the seat blue even if you used a "butt gasket"...the realy pain in the but radios that had the up and down rocker switches to change the radio channels insted of the keypads for push button use.. HTDs that the distance counters didnt work..even the newer power was in bad shape.. the seat arm rests where defomaed to the point that the metal suport would poke you and to prevent getting hurt on a metal bur or courner..the shop just wraped the whole arm rest in ductap... from a crew standpoint them nice blue engins are nothing but nice blue piles of junk.. that is why we "hate" conrail as you put it.. or at least why i dont care for there engins and call them junk at any chance i get.. becouse from my point of view..they are all gonrail junk and need to be gone from the csx rosters too...

csx engineer 

Sounds like csx should update their fleet? remeber the conrail stuff was what they had in the 90's its not like the brand new locomotives, and just because they are painted blue makes them junk? No, then are the gp40-2's that csx has junk, No, are the ex conrail ones different? No they are not. But hey I'm not trying to annoy you, its just Its annoying when someone just starts to go off on a railroad, seriously I'm I dont want to offend you, and since you work with them, how is a Sd80mac, junk? Sd70mac? Sd60I? are you addressing older locomotives or what, because not all locomotives are junk? Maybe Csx shouldn't of taken over conrail. I not a "nut" Its just annoying to see people just go off on a railroad, with all the crap about "confail", "gonrail", and other crap.

Tjsingle

[csxengineer98]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?

no one said anything about hateing you per say... just that your fanatic defence of a railroad that you dont know much about other then reading books and watching the trains go by is a bit over the top... being a train buff you dont get to see what we that do work for the carriers see is the behind the seans and talk that goes on between crews of differnt roads... you see a nice engin or a track that looks like its in nice shape...we crews see the junk and beat up condition of the cabs and the bandaids that are put on things just to get it out of the door... its nice to be loyal to something..but some of you gonrail nuts dont know what it was like for us crews to get our hands on them bright blue engins you all hold so near and dear... the uncomfortable toad stool seats for 211 miles... blue cemical crappers that smelled and if you tried to use them turned anything that came in conact with the seat blue even if you used a "butt gasket"...the realy pain in the but radios that had the up and down rocker switches to change the radio channels insted of the keypads for push button use.. HTDs that the distance counters didnt work..even the newer power was in bad shape.. the seat arm rests where defomaed to the point that the metal suport would poke you and to prevent getting hurt on a metal bur or courner..the shop just wraped the whole arm rest in ductap... from a crew standpoint them nice blue engins are nothing but nice blue piles of junk.. that is why we "hate" conrail as you put it.. or at least why i dont care for there engins and call them junk at any chance i get.. becouse from my point of view..they are all gonrail junk and need to be gone from the csx rosters too...

csx engineer 

Sounds like csx should update their fleet? remeber the conrail stuff was what they had in the 90's its not like the brand new locomotives, and just because they are painted blue makes them junk? No, then are the gp40-2's that csx has junk, No, are the ex conrail ones different? No they are not. But hey I'm not trying to annoy you, its just Its annoying when someone just starts to go off on a railroad, seriously I'm I dont want to offend you, and since you work with them, how is a Sd80mac, junk? Sd70mac? Sd60I? are you addressing older locomotives or what, because not all locomotives are junk? Maybe Csx shouldn't of taken over conrail. I not a "nut" Its just annoying to see people just go off on a railroad, with all the crap about "confail", "gonrail", and other crap.

Tjsingle

once agin you havent grasped the point i was trying to make.. yes..the 80macs are junk..the 70macs are junk..the 90macs are junk.. anything from an sd-40 on from EMD have been nothing but crap... do some resurch and you will find out a list of problems that have come from the those models of locomotives.. paint donst change issues that plege a model as a whole.. but you missed my point in regareds to the overall condition of gonrail power at the time of the split... they where all junk.. yes csx has junk..all railroads have junk power..but units that where only a few years old such as the 80macs that gonrail had where so abused to the point that it looked like a 3rd world country in the cabs.. unless you worked with this gonrail power you will never understand what i am saying.. it goes over your head.. you feel that i am just bashing your "fav" railroad for no reason or just to pick on you..no... i have real world first hand experinces with gonrail power over the years and as a whole the majority should be put into a big hole and buried..never to see the light of day agin...as for csx not taking over gonrail.. csx wanted it.. ns wanted it..and it got split up.. if it was the big power house that you think it was..then why didnt they buy csx or ns.. thats becouse csx and ns are bigger systems with deeper pokets.. in the real world of corp america.. if a bigger company wants to buy a smaller one.. they do it... it happens every day... as far as people annoying you... all i can say to that is the truth hurts.. as i said befor..you see a bright blue engin thundering by you.. we crews in the cab see a junk engin and spend the rest of the trip wanting to get off of it and hopeing you make it over the road without breaking down....

csx engineer 

[Tjsingle]

jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?

They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?

no one said anything about hateing you per say... just that your fanatic defence of a railroad that you dont know much about other then reading books and watching the trains go by is a bit over the top... being a train buff you dont get to see what we that do work for the carriers see is the behind the seans and talk that goes on between crews of differnt roads... you see a nice engin or a track that looks like its in nice shape...we crews see the junk and beat up condition of the cabs and the bandaids that are put on things just to get it out of the door... its nice to be loyal to something..but some of you gonrail nuts dont know what it was like for us crews to get our hands on them bright blue engins you all hold so near and dear... the uncomfortable toad stool seats for 211 miles... blue cemical crappers that smelled and if you tried to use them turned anything that came in conact with the seat blue even if you used a "butt gasket"...the realy pain in the but radios that had the up and down rocker switches to change the radio channels insted of the keypads for push button use.. HTDs that the distance counters didnt work..even the newer power was in bad shape.. the seat arm rests where defomaed to the point that the metal suport would poke you and to prevent getting hurt on a metal bur or courner..the shop just wraped the whole arm rest in ductap... from a crew standpoint them nice blue engins are nothing but nice blue piles of junk.. that is why we "hate" conrail as you put it.. or at least why i dont care for there engins and call them junk at any chance i get.. becouse from my point of view..they are all gonrail junk and need to be gone from the csx rosters too...

csx engineer 

Sounds like csx should update their fleet? remeber the conrail stuff was what they had in the 90's its not like the brand new locomotives, and just because they are painted blue makes them junk? No, then are the gp40-2's that csx has junk, No, are the ex conrail ones different? No they are not. But hey I'm not trying to annoy you, its just Its annoying when someone just starts to go off on a railroad, seriously I'm I dont want to offend you, and since you work with them, how is a Sd80mac, junk? Sd70mac? Sd60I? are you addressing older locomotives or what, because not all locomotives are junk? Maybe Csx shouldn't of taken over conrail. I not a "nut" Its just annoying to see people just go off on a railroad, with all the crap about "confail", "gonrail", and other crap.

Tjsingle

once agin you havent grasped the point i was trying to make.. yes..the 80macs are junk..the 70macs are junk..the 90macs are junk.. anything from an sd-40 on from EMD have been nothing but crap... do some resurch and you will find out a list of problems that have come from the those models of locomotives.. paint donst change issues that plege a model as a whole.. but you missed my point in regareds to the overall condition of gonrail power at the time of the split... they where all junk.. yes csx has junk..all railroads have junk power..but units that where only a few years old such as the 80macs that gonrail had where so abused to the point that it looked like a 3rd world country in the cabs.. unless you worked with this gonrail power you will never understand what i am saying.. it goes over your head.. you feel that i am just bashing your "fav" railroad for no reason or just to pick on you..no... i have real world first hand experinces with gonrail power over the years and as a whole the majority should be put into a big hole and buried..never to see the light of day agin...as for csx not taking over gonrail.. csx wanted it.. ns wanted it..and it got split up.. if it was the big power house that you think it was..then why didnt they buy csx or ns.. thats becouse csx and ns are bigger systems with deeper pokets.. in the real world of corp america.. if a bigger company wants to buy a smaller one.. they do it... it happens every day... as far as people annoying you... all i can say to that is the truth hurts.. as i said befor..you see a bright blue engin thundering by you.. we crews in the cab see a junk engin and spend the rest of the trip wanting to get off of it and hopeing you make it over the road without breaking down....

csx engineer 

So what your saying is that the sd80macs (etc) are junk compared to todays sd70ace, gevos and so on? So your saying that conrail didn't maintain its stuff towards the end, or the split? if thats ture then i would agree with what your saying, maintence is key

Tjsingle