CSSHEGEWISCH wrote:It has definitely been repainted. Looks sharp, too: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=254300&nseq=0
Dang, looks like I caught it just in time.
EJE818 wrote:Dang you CSX! How could they repaint such a historic engine! Now the only fallen flag engine left on CSX is 2667, the Seaboard engine! I thought 4617 would be retired before it got repainted.
There are still a couple of Conrail's junk engines roaming around in CR paint.
An "expensive model collector"
It is a shame because that was the last C&O painted endgine on an active roster. It would have been better to see the C&O still living in 2008. Yes, it is making its dues but, its a shame to see another Fallen Flag gone completely off of a Class I. Its CSX it was going to get painted anyway.
Kevin
trainfan1221 wrote:I do agree it looks sharp, just jealous I didn't get to see it before repainting. And my chances of seeing it even after are rather slim too.
I agree completely, wish I could see it just once
oskar wrote: So sad to see 4617 with a paint job that does not say C&O. It is a real shame to see that in YN3 and to mee it really looks bad on the SD40. What a shame....... Kevin
So sad to see 4617 with a paint job that does not say C&O. It is a real shame to see that in YN3 and to mee it really looks bad on the SD40. What a shame.......
Why is the repainting such a shame? Consider that it's still in service making a positive contribution to the bottom line.
Awesome wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: Awesome wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: oskar wrote: That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone. Kevinamen to that.. all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk.. i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment.. my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge.. they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had... always had issues with them too.. never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power...csx engineer Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats..exactly how do you know what i ran and didnt run.. yes some where sd40s..some where gp 40s.. as well as models from the rest of the fleet.. all the way up to the 80macs..and they where all beat up junk... csx engineer In the past forum you have told us the locomotives you rode.
csxengineer98 wrote: Awesome wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: oskar wrote: That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone. Kevinamen to that.. all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk.. i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment.. my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge.. they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had... always had issues with them too.. never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power...csx engineer Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats..exactly how do you know what i ran and didnt run.. yes some where sd40s..some where gp 40s.. as well as models from the rest of the fleet.. all the way up to the 80macs..and they where all beat up junk... csx engineer
Awesome wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: oskar wrote: That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone. Kevinamen to that.. all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk.. i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment.. my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge.. they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had... always had issues with them too.. never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power...csx engineer Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats..
csxengineer98 wrote: oskar wrote: That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone. Kevinamen to that.. all the Gonrail stuff that came to csx as far as power has all been beat to hell and back and was falling apart junk.. i thought csx did a poor job of maintaing its equipment.. my oppionion changed when i got into the cab of my first gonrail units left in my charge.. they where beat and worn out worse then anything csx had... always had issues with them too.. never knew of you where going to get over the road or break down with Gonrail power...csx engineer
oskar wrote: That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone. Kevin
That will hopefully never happen. That SD40 is probably better than any Confails on CSX roster. Glad Conrail is gone.
csx engineer
Conrail locomotives you rode where the old GP35, SD40, U-Boats..
In the past forum you have told us the locomotives you rode.
some of the statements you have made to me regarding this issue show that you have no intrest in learning anything new or taking pro- railroaders insight regarding the state of conrails equipment.. it just shows the narrow mindedness of some railfans and why some rails have a bad additued about rail fans as a whole... some of us come here to share our personal experinces in the day to day opporations and to help awnser questions that some people have about the industry on any wide range of topics.. yet you personaly want to challange anything that anyone has to say about some topics even thow many others beside myself have tried to show you other side of the coin.. its one thing to hold on to a part of your past..and have "brand loyalty" but its another when you try to spout off facts that have been proven wrong by other people that are more in the know then you are...
from this point on.. unless you are willing to actuly learn and take part in conversations with a bit more of an open mind and not bash people in the know such as myself and question my credibilty and my quilfications to add input to conversations.. i wil no longer be responding to you... i bid you good day...
Been hearing some bad news. I have overheard that CSX 4617 has been painted into YN3 paint. Anyone else heard the same news?
........it was just a matter of time.
oltmannd wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: Awesome wrote: Tjsingle wrote:jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?no one said anything about hateing you per say... just that your fanatic defence of a railroad that you dont know much about other then reading books and watching the trains go by is a bit over the top... being a train buff you dont get to see what we that do work for the carriers see is the behind the seans and talk that goes on between crews of differnt roads... you see a nice engin or a track that looks like its in nice shape...we crews see the junk and beat up condition of the cabs and the bandaids that are put on things just to get it out of the door... its nice to be loyal to something..but some of you gonrail nuts dont know what it was like for us crews to get our hands on them bright blue engins you all hold so near and dear... the uncomfortable toad stool seats for 211 miles... blue cemical crappers that smelled and if you tried to use them turned anything that came in conact with the seat blue even if you used a "butt gasket"...the realy pain in the but radios that had the up and down rocker switches to change the radio channels insted of the keypads for push button use.. HTDs that the distance counters didnt work..even the newer power was in bad shape.. the seat arm rests where defomaed to the point that the metal suport would poke you and to prevent getting hurt on a metal bur or courner..the shop just wraped the whole arm rest in ductap... from a crew standpoint them nice blue engins are nothing but nice blue piles of junk.. that is why we "hate" conrail as you put it.. or at least why i dont care for there engins and call them junk at any chance i get.. becouse from my point of view..they are all gonrail junk and need to be gone from the csx rosters too... csx engineer The cab seats, radios and head end EOT units in locomotives rarely stay in the unit they are delivered in for much time at all. It takes about 10 minutes to change out a radio or cab seat. So, chances are the radio and EOT you are complaining about was a CSX purchase... Conrail never had toad stool seats in anything. In fact, Conrail was stuck with an old NYC crew agreement that, until their last several years, prevented them from buying the same cab seats as the other roads (Conrail needed seat cushions that were 1" wider - go figure...)In fairness to your point, however, Conrail was behind in loco overhauls for most of their last decade - an those chemical toilets were never any fun - or fun to maintain - particularly the ones in the short hood of Dash 2s.
csxengineer98 wrote: Awesome wrote: Tjsingle wrote:jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?no one said anything about hateing you per say... just that your fanatic defence of a railroad that you dont know much about other then reading books and watching the trains go by is a bit over the top... being a train buff you dont get to see what we that do work for the carriers see is the behind the seans and talk that goes on between crews of differnt roads... you see a nice engin or a track that looks like its in nice shape...we crews see the junk and beat up condition of the cabs and the bandaids that are put on things just to get it out of the door... its nice to be loyal to something..but some of you gonrail nuts dont know what it was like for us crews to get our hands on them bright blue engins you all hold so near and dear... the uncomfortable toad stool seats for 211 miles... blue cemical crappers that smelled and if you tried to use them turned anything that came in conact with the seat blue even if you used a "butt gasket"...the realy pain in the but radios that had the up and down rocker switches to change the radio channels insted of the keypads for push button use.. HTDs that the distance counters didnt work..even the newer power was in bad shape.. the seat arm rests where defomaed to the point that the metal suport would poke you and to prevent getting hurt on a metal bur or courner..the shop just wraped the whole arm rest in ductap... from a crew standpoint them nice blue engins are nothing but nice blue piles of junk.. that is why we "hate" conrail as you put it.. or at least why i dont care for there engins and call them junk at any chance i get.. becouse from my point of view..they are all gonrail junk and need to be gone from the csx rosters too... csx engineer
Awesome wrote: Tjsingle wrote:jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?
Tjsingle wrote:jeez are all of you guys conrail haters?! seriously wth?
They get bend of out shape when we talk about CONRAIL.. Can you explain to me why the hate us?
The cab seats, radios and head end EOT units in locomotives rarely stay in the unit they are delivered in for much time at all. It takes about 10 minutes to change out a radio or cab seat. So, chances are the radio and EOT you are complaining about was a CSX purchase... Conrail never had toad stool seats in anything. In fact, Conrail was stuck with an old NYC crew agreement that, until their last several years, prevented them from buying the same cab seats as the other roads (Conrail needed seat cushions that were 1" wider - go figure...)
In fairness to your point, however, Conrail was behind in loco overhauls for most of their last decade - an those chemical toilets were never any fun - or fun to maintain - particularly the ones in the short hood of Dash 2s.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
CSSHEGEWISCH wrote: badeffect10 wrote: Conrail didn't "sale" their railroad. NS and CSX basically lobbied the federal goverment to take over operations of the RR. Conrail had already been privatized so it was indeed a sale. The Feds were involved for the usual antitrust reasons.
badeffect10 wrote: Conrail didn't "sale" their railroad. NS and CSX basically lobbied the federal goverment to take over operations of the RR.
Conrail didn't "sale" their railroad. NS and CSX basically lobbied the federal goverment to take over operations of the RR.
Conrail had already been privatized so it was indeed a sale. The Feds were involved for the usual antitrust reasons.
The feds only held onto Conrail long enough for it to get in the black - as soon as CR started turning a profit in the early 1980s, they sold it through an IPO (Conrail was a public company at the time of the sale listed on the New York Stock Exchange). The feds were involved in the merger also because the control of a railroad has to be approved by the Surface Transportation Board as well as the DOJ premerger notification bureau/antitrust bureau. The STB has jurisdiction over rail control/ownership and enforcing common carrier obligations and thus control over mergers. The STB is very big on competition between rail/preventing rail bottlenecks where previously competitive routes get served with one railroad - they imposed numerous conditions on the CR purchase including the creation of CR shared assets areas.
BTW, I've heard (from STB practicioners) that Conrail was outstanding in at least one area - they had the best lawyers at ICC and later STB practice of any of the railroads. In the business/law area Conrail was highly regarded as having some of the best minds in the rail industry.
Awesome wrote: Conrail did what it need to be done in order to sale their railroad.
If Conrail was as great as you seem to think, Conrail would not have to do anything to "sale" the railroad.
trainfan1221 wrote:There are so few major railroads now that each one is big enough that when it gets taken over how could there not be problems? I just hope that the mergers are done for awhile, I like variety and there is less of it all the time. I know it's a sign of modern times, but a little competition never hurt either.
Tjsingle wrote: csxengineer98 wrote: Awesome wrote: trainfan1221 wrote:The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can't account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.That's true!!!!!! If Conrail would stay it would have fix the problems of CSX and NS. please tell me what these problems that csx and ns have...this is the second time on this sight you have made mention of csx and ns haveing problems? i am dieing to hear them from you..do tell.......csx engineer Since being a conrail fan, this may sound odd, what problems does NS and CSX have? I dont really know of many, there doing a pretty good job.Tjsingle
csxengineer98 wrote: Awesome wrote: trainfan1221 wrote:The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can't account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.That's true!!!!!! If Conrail would stay it would have fix the problems of CSX and NS. please tell me what these problems that csx and ns have...this is the second time on this sight you have made mention of csx and ns haveing problems? i am dieing to hear them from you..do tell.......csx engineer
Awesome wrote: trainfan1221 wrote:The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can't account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.That's true!!!!!! If Conrail would stay it would have fix the problems of CSX and NS.
trainfan1221 wrote:The simple point is, Conrail had a huge task, which not only was important to the rail scene but the economy of the Northeast in general. Every major railroad had failed, with PC proudly leading the way. If anything it illustrated the importance of railroads as it was important that something be done immediately. They did what they had to, built a substantial intermodal business, and became profitable and privatized. At the end, they seemed willing to sell off whatever they could, essentially wanted two sets of mainlines between Boston-St.Louis and New York-Chicago, essentially a giant X. I can't account for the condition of their equipment, csxengineer certainly would know better about that, but as I said we admired Conrail for what it was and what it accomplished. I guess a lot of us felt it was our railroad and that is why it is missed. They put on a good show.
That's true!!!!!! If Conrail would stay it would have fix the problems of CSX and NS.
Since being a conrail fan, this may sound odd, what problems does NS and CSX have? I dont really know of many, there doing a pretty good job.
Tjsingle
taking over conrail made both companys stronger...at the beging of the takover yes there where major problems.. but if you look at the history of railroad take overs not every one of them has gone well.. take the UP/SP in the 90s.. was a total meltdown for UP...csx and ns had there share of issues at the day of split and for some time after..but in the end things are moving agin..and traffic is up and so are proffits.. sounds like problem solved to me...
Awesome wrote:Wake up and smell the coffee. If you are going to sale your car or house. Are you going to put money unto the place? NO! Right! Conrail did what it need to be done in order to sale their railroad.
conrail was a bare bones no frills railroad that didnt take care of anything even befor the split was a twinkel in john snows and who ever was at the helm of NS at the time.... they spent money keeping the ROW nice..but when it came to giveing the crews a somewhat clean office to work in..they dropped the ball.. when it came to giveing the crews at least a comfortable seat to sit in..nope.. even old csx units have a more confortable seat then anything conrail had or was willing to put in the cabs.. but at least they had that nice bright blue paint that looked good along the ROW...
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