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Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 4:12 AM
I hate florida the only people that live in florida is old people and their parents.

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You bring up a good point . just because you cant do any of these things and drive is no reason to get down on us. Have you ever been around nashville tn at rush hour ? or atlanta ga? the south is all about sports football and nascar, rush hour is like nascar at talledaga or daytona 4-5 lanes of high speed drafting. if you are doing less than 90mph on the shoulder get in the grass . or some one will put you there. and if you think you can run with the big boys that is where football comes in. go to any parking lot of any office or factory and watch the games begin. ( i would say go to a wal-mart store but the women get to mean exspecialy at sales) . and watch the people scrap over a parking spot 2 up from the fartherest one there. Heck i remeber riding with my 91 year old aunt in her corvette. we idled at 110mph. For some reason people stay away from senoir citezens
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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 6:43 AM
Ah Wabash and VSmith - you made my day - !!!!

Sounds a little like Lincoln - just throw in some ice and snow!

And this is the land of the SUVs! Nuts to a hummer - I am getting a tank to drive around in - say I like that - Mookie in an old Sherman Tank! Get Outta My Way You Cell Phone Bagel Eatin' Junkie!

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Posted by cherokee woman on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 9:25 AM
Mookie, sounds like a good idea!! But being only 4'7", I'd have to have a LADDER to get in the cotton pickin' tank[:D] My brother-in-law used to have a big pickup; when he would pick me up from work, I'd be climbling & crawling my way into it. Of course, he wouldn't BOTHER to help me up in it, just sit behind the wheel and laugh his fool head off[banghead]

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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 9:43 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

I hate florida the only people that live in florida is old people and their parents.

vsmith
You bring up a good point . just because you cant do any of these things and drive is no reason to get down on us. Have you ever been around nashville tn at rush hour ? or atlanta ga? the south is all about sports football and nascar, rush hour is like nascar at talledaga or daytona 4-5 lanes of high speed drafting. if you are doing less than 90mph on the shoulder get in the grass . or some one will put you there. and if you think you can run with the big boys that is where football comes in. go to any parking lot of any office or factory and watch the games begin. ( i would say go to a wal-mart store but the women get to mean exspecialy at sales) . and watch the people scrap over a parking spot 2 up from the fartherest one there. Heck i remeber riding with my 91 year old aunt in her corvette. we idled at 110mph. For some reason people stay away from senoir citezens


I live in Los Angeles, Ca. I cut my teeth with maniac drivers! Those things I listed are on the driving test, as well as backing up without using your mirrors or changing lanes without looking over your shoulder. I feel sorry for people who visit from other parts where they will stop for you in a crosswalk, no dice here, they'll hit you, run away, and when they're caught claim they didnt see the family of 9 with 2 shoppingcarts and 2 baby carraiges crossing the street in broad daylight ot that they jumped out from behind a parked car on an empty street. If you ever want an education in driving, next time your on vacation take a drive from LA to Vegas on the I-15. The semi-trucks go 90! Anything less than 75 and the trucks will knock you off the road, the cars are going 100! I have been going down the same I-15 to San Diego at 75 and be blasted by passing cars going well over 100, almost everyone of these hammerheads is in a full-size luxo-SUV. Shear Insanity!

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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 9:49 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Ah Wabash and VSmith - you made my day - !!!!

Sounds a little like Lincoln - just throw in some ice and snow!

And this is the land of the SUVs! Nuts to a hummer - I am getting a tank to drive around in - say I like that - Mookie in an old Sherman Tank! Get Outta My Way You Cell Phone Bagel Eatin' Junkie!


Hi Mookie,

FYI, Eco-terrorists burned a Hummer dealer here a few months ago, shortly after guerrilla artists started putting up posters that said "BURN HUMMER, BURN!"

Waiting for the t-shirt of that one!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 10:49 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Seems like this is a good place to post this

As some of youi know, I jsut did the tour of Florida, very nice and warm might I add.. Now one night we stayed in a hotel near the train Tracks... now these tracks had Traffic lights, which is down right Stupid in the first place, but they had them. Now i couldn;'t halp but notice THAT EVERY single car, you could fit 2 comfotably between the Traffic lights and the RR crosdding, but there was always a THEIRD or FORTH car that would stop on the tracks!!

ALWAYS stop on the tracks!! ?!?!?!?

Who the heck Stops on RR tracks? I think I learnt thatr 3 minutes after i was born not to do that, that seems pretty easy to understand that concept.. It comes more naturally then common sence, it's like Elementry sence, somehting you should have learned along with the ABC's.

I litterally could not believe my eyes. There was not one car, whilwe iwas observing that stayed on the other side of the tracks, and we are talking about the CSX main line.

Perhaps, as i'm told, that the light automatically turns green when a train goes through.
Heres how that system works: FIRST the RR lights must be triggered in order to send a signal to the Town's Traffic light box in order for the Traffic lights to display Green..

So what happens if the RR lgiths fail, that would cause a glitch in the system, and not turn the traffic light green, causing it to stay RED.
To me, It's bad enoguh that RR lgihts Fail sometimes, and relying on them isnt an exceptionally Great idea. But relying on them to start flashing, then send a signla to the traffic light box so the traffic lights turn green, is relying on them FAR too much, if those ones failed your up shaza creek without a paddle. your boxed in between 2 cars, if your lucky, maybe more.

WHAT i'm trying to say .. DON'T STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CROSSING!! Would you stop your car in the middle of the highway, or an airplane runway?

It's actually safer to stop your car in the middle lane of the highway!!

Some people..


Hey Kevin, Welcome to America Buddy!

Dont you know that Common Sense is illegal down here, and its very dangerous to be thinking sensibly also. People will be resentfull and angry if you point out how stupid they are. Its a well known fact that down here its everyones God given in-alienable right to beincredulously stupid.

In fact being stupid is a point of pride for many down here, how else do you explain the armies ot creatins down here who drive while eating, putting on make up, talking on the phone, reading the newspaper, changing jr's daipers, doing their income taxes, or watching a DVD, all while blasting down the freeway at 90mph in their giant SUV (bonus points are given while doing all the above at the same time while steering with your knees).

So people stopped on the tracks, BIG DEAL, THATS THERE GOD GIVEN RIGHT, DAMMIT!!!.DARN RIGHT IT IS, DAMMIT!!!![:(!]

Dont you know that its the TRAIN that has to stop, least the blessed driver of the Hummer would have to defile his Self-rightousness by stopping before the crossing.

DONT YOU KNOW WHAT A SIN THAT IS DOWN HERE? DONT YOU?[}:)]

Kevin, Just yanking your chain,LOL, [:D]now you've got some idea why I'm always blasting drivers down here.[xx(]

Actually I'm surprised you managed to get out of Florida alive, the way some of those morons drive down there.[;)]


LOL well put, You know i could ahve watched that crossing for hours, Except every time i'd snap at seeing somehting stupid, my Girlfiend would yell out, YOUR going to Give yourself a Heart attack, or high blood pressure!

We all packed into to 2 rooms at this massively cheep hotel, supposedly "fire-proof" rooms, i didn't and still don't believe that, the polubming was bad, the maintenance man wouldn't stop coughing, and the room next door, all you could hear is eeeeeeeee..eee.eeeeeeeeee..eee.eeeeeeeee..eee...eeeeeeeeeeee..eee....eeeeeeeeeee
and an occasioanl yell, BOY I WONDER what they were doing

next year, Quality or Comfort inn

That night i decided to hell with bed, i'll take the floor, I kind of thought the floor might be.. you know.. cleaner.

Couldn't guarantee these sheets had been washed

wow, yeah thats really gross.
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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 12:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Ah Wabash and VSmith - you made my day - !!!!

Sounds a little like Lincoln - just throw in some ice and snow!

And this is the land of the SUVs! Nuts to a hummer - I am getting a tank to drive around in - say I like that - Mookie in an old Sherman Tank! Get Outta My Way You Cell Phone Bagel Eatin' Junkie!


Hi Mookie,

FYI, Eco-terrorists burned a Hummer dealer here a few months ago, shortly after guerrilla artists started putting up posters that said "BURN HUMMER, BURN!"

Waiting for the t-shirt of that one!!!

Boy you people are really serious out there! That's a lot different than here, where the eco-terrorists will just make sure a beetle isn't disturbed in the salt marshes.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 12:51 PM
When you say hummer dealership.. your talking about the SUV Hummer dealership, right?

[:D]

just tryuing to get the terms defined.
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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 3:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

When you say hummer dealership.. your talking about the SUV Hummer dealership, right?

[:D]

just tryuing to get the terms defined.


What other kind of burning Hummer do you know of...????

Might want ta see a doctor 'bout that...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 3:44 PM
Oh Burning hummer...

I'm trying to keep myself PG-13 rated, so the use of the word HUMMER should be discontinued..

Burning Hummer, eh? hehehehehehehehe... bet it feels weird...

OH YOU mean burning hummer the SUV... yeah.. uhh.. that must be terrible..
[:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 3:49 PM
Hey: Maybe there IS such a thing as too quiet...

Remember that the whole purpose of horns, whistles, gongs, ditch lights, and any other implements is supposed to be save lives. I was involved in a rail fatality last week, anything that would have alerted that victim to get off the tracks would be very necessary. I've heard plenty of things louder and more disturbing than train horns
and whistles. Somebody can always complain about the noise, but are they grateful that nobody gets hit?
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Posted by vsmith on Tuesday, January 6, 2004 3:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Oh Burning hummer...

Burning Hummer, eh? hehehehehehehehe... bet it feels weird...

[:D]


As we used to say at my Architecture School,

"Theres nothing wrong with this project that cant be solved with a little lighter fluid and a match!"

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 6:16 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by WaterLevelCat

Hey: Maybe there IS such a thing as too quiet...

Remember that the whole purpose of horns, whistles, gongs, ditch lights, and any other implements is supposed to be save lives. I was involved in a rail fatality last week, anything that would have alerted that victim to get off the tracks would be very necessary. I've heard plenty of things louder and more disturbing than train horns
and whistles. Somebody can always complain about the noise, but are they grateful that nobody gets hit?
[:I] Curious Mookie again - what's a Water Level Cat? New breed to me!

Moo

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Posted by vsmith on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 9:29 AM
If it floats with all four feet straight up, its level?

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Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 11:24 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by WaterLevelCat

Hey: Maybe there IS such a thing as too quiet...

Remember that the whole purpose of horns, whistles, gongs, ditch lights, and any other implements is supposed to be save lives. I was involved in a rail fatality last week, anything that would have alerted that victim to get off the tracks would be very necessary. I've heard plenty of things louder and more disturbing than train horns
and whistles. Somebody can always complain about the noise, but are they grateful that nobody gets hit?
[:I] Curious Mookie again - what's a Water Level Cat? New breed to me!

Moo


Dunno...but sounds like it won't perform too well at altitude. [xx(]

But if you place the cat in tub, and push it under until it's level.....should work. May try that on my next tile project.
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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, January 7, 2004 12:36 PM
you guys should go back to the pizza and pepsi - sounds like you got into the wrong color cola!

Miffed Moo!

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:33 PM
As a locomotive engineer. It is quite nice to have the loudest most annoying horn as possible on a locomotive. Especially when you are running down a 2% grade at 20mph, and come around a blind 14 or 15 degree curve to see a family of four set up in lawn chairs grilling on the hibachi between the rails of the main line. I'll tell you that there is no worse feeling in the world than throwing the train into emergency and watching helplesly as a three year old girl disapears under the nose of the locomotive. As it was, we missed killing them by about ten feet. All I can remember is the mother of the little girl holding her and crying, knowing how close they came to dying that day. The only thing that saved their lives was the horn on the locomotive. So **** on any government official or activist group that wants to quiet them. Let them sit behind the control stand in the same situation and then see what they have to say.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:19 PM
this was once tryed in flordia but collisons increased by double and the rule was lifted.
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Posted by retsignalmtr on Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:26 PM
the way people have their radios and cd players at a high volume they would never be able to hear the horn anyway. i was a signal maintainer on the nycta and many times my helper and i were reminded where we were while being engrosed in our work that a train was approaching by the motorman laying on his whistle or horn. many times the trains had no horns or defective horns that didn't make very much noise. several coworkers were killed because they had no warning of an approaching train. i live seven miles from a csx and metro north line and i can sometimes hear the horns in the middle of the day. i'm sure that if those people who want to lower the volume had children riding school buses over guarded or unguarded crossings they would change their minds.
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Posted by mudchicken on Saturday, January 10, 2004 6:31 PM
Water Level Cat - a fan of NYC and its water level route?
Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by kenneo on Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:10 PM
Or is Mookie using an underfur disguise? [:-,]
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Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:20 PM
....The comments of the Locomotive Engineer above, should be published in newspapers in these localities that want to silence the warning train horns...or make it required reading for the politicians. My city, Muncie is one of them that want to silence them and I believe it is going to happen this year...! Two class one's, NS and CSX run though our city with lots of crossings.

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, January 12, 2004 6:19 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo

Or is Mookie using an underfur disguise? [:-,]
The Mookie hates water - could teach swimming from all the lessons she has had - but can't swim a stroke, tries hard not to drink it and can't imagine a water level cat. Still getting over a "water spaniel"....silly dog!

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Posted by wabash1 on Monday, January 12, 2004 6:51 AM
Model car

whos going to stop me from blowing the horn? they can put any ruling up they want in any city they want but until the thing comes out in bullitin form or in the time table. i will blow. and if i feel it is safer to blow than run silent i will. what are the cops going to do go to the next crossing with red lights on sit on the crossing blocking it so i cant go thru? ( this may sound dumb but a cop tried this on me once.) the truth be known we will kill more people . I think i have a idea that will beat the stupid question thread calling it the stupid things people do at railroad crossings . in which you will tell what you have seen people do at crossings and on the railroad right of way. and dont forget most of these people always tell us we are number 1.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 12, 2004 9:09 PM
My Wife and I are for the train wistles, we moved here to north Idaho from Yakima WA.
Here in Sagle (just south of Sandpoint) our property borders the BNSF Railway and the
Sagle Road, BNSF grade crossing is right out front. Our Realestate agent was amazed when we told her we wanted to be as close to the BN Main Line as posible.
We love BNSF and keep as close an eye as possible on the trains and tracks and if ever we caught anyone messing around with either, we would turn them in, in a Seattle Second. We see drivers going around the gates quite often, as we see it they should get three tickets, one for running a red light, one for driving on the wrong side of the road while going around the gate, and one for trespassing while the gates are down.
As the wife says "those guys destination will still be there after the train is gone!"
I thought I would add this little poem I wrote while working at Boise Cascade Corp. in Yakima. Yeah Im not a railroader by trade just in Heart. I'm just a retired mill rat, but my Dad Worked for the Northern Pacific for 28 1/2 years including six of them at Stampede Pass in the 1940's running the ventalation system at Stampede Tunnel. Anyway here's the poem.

A little food for thought

Safety mindedness is the headwaters
that let's the rivers of non injury
flow freely into the oceans of
longevity and prevent the dams of
haste from forming the lakes of
death, injury and waste.

Raymond G. Phelps
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Posted by David3 on Monday, January 12, 2004 9:18 PM
Here in Joliet, IL people want to propose a law to stop train horns on the BNSF, UP, and EJ&E. My dad and I are all for the horns. These people don't realize that if you don't blow horns more people will go around gates, then that means that more people will get hit by trains. Then the people will be mad again. There's just no pleasing these people. [:(!]
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Posted by zardoz on Monday, January 19, 2004 9:19 AM
AAR Statement on FRA Rule on Whistle Blowing

The Federal Railroad Administration (FRA) announced publication of an interim final rule that mandates the sounding of train horns at highway-rail grade crossings and establishes criteria by which communities can qualify as a quiet zone areas. This new rule recognizes that sounding train horns saves lives while, at the same time, provides localities alternatives to the locomotive horn where safety will not be compromised. “The industry commends the FRA for developing a rule that recognizes public safety concerns and allows localities to develop alternatives to reduce train horn noise in residential neighborhoods,” said AAR President and CEO Edward R. Hamberger.

“Implementation of this rule will make it even more critical to substantially increase the funding of the Section 130 Program as proposed in H.R. 3550, TEA-LU and to allow maintenance of crossing devices to be considered an eligible expense,” Hamberger added.

The rule will take effect on December 18, 2004. The railroad industry looks forward to working with the FRA during the 60-day comment period on the specific elements of the proposed rule.


http://www.aar.org/Index.asp?NCID=1903
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Posted by dharmon on Monday, January 19, 2004 10:00 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz

AAR Statement on FRA Rule on Whistle Blowing

This new rule recognizes that sounding train horns saves lives while, at the same time, provides localities alternatives to the locomotive horn where safety will not be compromised.


I thinking the the only safe alternative to the horn is to drop the gate and place a lock and chain on it holding it down, placing tire spike strips on either side so no one can drive around and putting a sign on it that says road closed.
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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, January 19, 2004 10:47 AM
...I don't know how local authorities plan to put this new pending ordinance into effect and inforce it. They sure do seem serious about doing it this year yet....and unless something changes, I believe they will. It will be interesting to see what happens.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 19, 2004 9:45 PM
Here in Canada the train drivers are directed by federal legislation re sounding horns starting at 1/4 mile distance from crossings. BUT, believe it or not, individual municipalities can pass by-laws prohibiting the sounding of loco horns within town limits. I think Mudchicken is on the right track with getting everybody to sign accountability for mishaps. They shouldn't be called accidents because most of them aren't accidental. They're the result of somebody being wilfully stupid.
"Geez, when I bought my house nobody told me trains might make noise." Duh!

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