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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 10, 2004 10:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

T Scott...In the discussion of water pumps and pressure in a conventional auto cooling system....don't forget one of the most important items....The pressure cap on the radiator tank.

I neglected to add in my previous post the crucial word 'volume'. Water pumps in auto's are volume pumps- not pressure. And yes, the 'pressure cap' is a fail-safe in place so that extensive damage isn't done by heat and pressure from the combustion process. They are designed as the weakest link in the system if an overheat or over-pressurization occurs.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 10, 2004 10:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

T Scott...In the discussion of water pumps and pressure in a conventional auto cooling system....don't forget one of the most important items....The pressure cap on the radiator tank.

I neglected to add in my previous post the crucial word 'volume'. Water pumps in auto's are volume pumps- not pressure. And yes, the 'pressure cap' is a fail-safe in place so that extensive damage isn't done by heat and pressure from the combustion process. They are designed as the weakest link in the system if an overheat or over-pressurization occurs.
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Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:04 AM
...Pressure caps are also the item controlling the pressure in an auto cooling system. Before 1950 [for most manufactures], pressure caps were not used....and hence no pressurized systems...only when they overheated and the resulting steam couldn'd escape fast enough through the overflow pipe, would the pressure build up...but with the onslaught of higher compression engines and more heat something was needed to keep coolant in all the hot spots of an engine and prevent steam pockets and pressure caps were some of the design to work on that...50 / 50 antifreeze solution was added somewhat later to help in several problems, etc....By the way, I agree auto cooling system pumps are volume and not pressure pumps. They have a very important job to do and you can't run very far without it energized.

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Posted by Modelcar on Tuesday, May 11, 2004 9:04 AM
...Pressure caps are also the item controlling the pressure in an auto cooling system. Before 1950 [for most manufactures], pressure caps were not used....and hence no pressurized systems...only when they overheated and the resulting steam couldn'd escape fast enough through the overflow pipe, would the pressure build up...but with the onslaught of higher compression engines and more heat something was needed to keep coolant in all the hot spots of an engine and prevent steam pockets and pressure caps were some of the design to work on that...50 / 50 antifreeze solution was added somewhat later to help in several problems, etc....By the way, I agree auto cooling system pumps are volume and not pressure pumps. They have a very important job to do and you can't run very far without it energized.

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Posted by cpbloom on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:57 AM
Why does NS take its locos in primer paint and paint them later, are they needed that badly?
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Posted by cpbloom on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:57 AM
Why does NS take its locos in primer paint and paint them later, are they needed that badly?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:01 AM
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/ns/emd-locos/sd70m.shtml

notice NS 2598
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:01 AM
http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/ns/emd-locos/sd70m.shtml

notice NS 2598
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Posted by wabash1 on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:48 AM
the ns dont care if the units are painted or not when they need power it goes. and most of the time its is into coal service.
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Posted by wabash1 on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:48 AM
the ns dont care if the units are painted or not when they need power it goes. and most of the time its is into coal service.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:50 AM
BNSF did a similar thing a few years ago when some of their C44-9W's were pressed into service with an incomplete paint job.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:50 AM
BNSF did a similar thing a few years ago when some of their C44-9W's were pressed into service with an incomplete paint job.
The daily commute is part of everyday life but I get two rides a day out of it. Paul
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Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM
Dynamic Brakes.....


Two units MU'd one with dynamics one with out....can the dynamics still be used on the DB equipped one?
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Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:21 AM
Dynamic Brakes.....


Two units MU'd one with dynamics one with out....can the dynamics still be used on the DB equipped one?
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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:32 PM
yes....preferably (sp?) if you cut out the connections of the traction motors to the toaster grids....there are ways that kill the whole deal which usually result in "Quasimodo Complex" (i.e. alarm bells)....another issue has to deal with the pin connections in the MU cables and if the non-DB unit is properly wired.....older DRGW units did not MU easilly with most other RR's units account two extra connecting pins.

Limited Clear, CSXEngineer, Ed and company can answer in more detail.
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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:32 PM
yes....preferably (sp?) if you cut out the connections of the traction motors to the toaster grids....there are ways that kill the whole deal which usually result in "Quasimodo Complex" (i.e. alarm bells)....another issue has to deal with the pin connections in the MU cables and if the non-DB unit is properly wired.....older DRGW units did not MU easilly with most other RR's units account two extra connecting pins.

Limited Clear, CSXEngineer, Ed and company can answer in more detail.
Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by rrnut282 on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:26 PM
Re: unpainted locos

NS needs to keep its Knoxville shops busy and someone figured out they could paint the locomotive cheaper than the factory, so NS has 'em delivered in primer and puts it to work. They figure eventually it will pass through Knoxville where they pull it off of a train to visit the paint shop.
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Posted by rrnut282 on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 1:26 PM
Re: unpainted locos

NS needs to keep its Knoxville shops busy and someone figured out they could paint the locomotive cheaper than the factory, so NS has 'em delivered in primer and puts it to work. They figure eventually it will pass through Knoxville where they pull it off of a train to visit the paint shop.
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Posted by pmsteamman on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

Dynamic Brakes.....


Two units MU'd one with dynamics one with out....can the dynamics still be used on the DB equipped one?
Sure can the second unit will just be dead weight at this point until you start pulling again then it will do its share of the work.
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Posted by pmsteamman on Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

Dynamic Brakes.....


Two units MU'd one with dynamics one with out....can the dynamics still be used on the DB equipped one?
Sure can the second unit will just be dead weight at this point until you start pulling again then it will do its share of the work.
Highball....Train looks good device in place!!
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Posted by wabash1 on Friday, May 14, 2004 8:22 AM
the only way dynamic brakes will work is if the lead unit has dynamic braking capability. reason is there isnt a handle to operate the dynamic brake if not equiped. Now lets go to the second possiblity in which you have dynamic on lead unit but it is inoperable due to ground relay , cut out traction motor. the other units will operate just fine . The dynamic can be cut out manually by a switch on the control panel. this also applies to all units in consist.
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Posted by wabash1 on Friday, May 14, 2004 8:22 AM
the only way dynamic brakes will work is if the lead unit has dynamic braking capability. reason is there isnt a handle to operate the dynamic brake if not equiped. Now lets go to the second possiblity in which you have dynamic on lead unit but it is inoperable due to ground relay , cut out traction motor. the other units will operate just fine . The dynamic can be cut out manually by a switch on the control panel. this also applies to all units in consist.
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Posted by FJ and G on Friday, May 14, 2004 10:52 AM
What are those big silver tanks trackside along NS between Alexandria & Manassas? Do they supply air to throw the turnout remotely or something else?

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Posted by FJ and G on Friday, May 14, 2004 10:52 AM
What are those big silver tanks trackside along NS between Alexandria & Manassas? Do they supply air to throw the turnout remotely or something else?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, May 14, 2004 2:51 PM
I can't speak for the setup in Virginia but in Chicago they are propane tanks to supply switch heaters during the winter.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, May 14, 2004 2:51 PM
I can't speak for the setup in Virginia but in Chicago they are propane tanks to supply switch heaters during the winter.
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Friday, May 28, 2004 6:04 PM
what is a bow coal train and how is different from a regular coal train?
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Friday, May 28, 2004 6:04 PM
what is a bow coal train and how is different from a regular coal train?
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Wednesday, June 2, 2004 9:47 AM
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=39274

what information is around about the type of caboose in that pic? Never saw one that looked like that before.
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Wednesday, June 2, 2004 9:47 AM
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=39274

what information is around about the type of caboose in that pic? Never saw one that looked like that before.
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