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Posted by xtrack42 on Friday, December 12, 2003 6:05 PM
Kevin:
Up here, with searchlight signals, the signals at a controlled point will be lined up one over the other. If all are indicating stop, then it is a absolute stop - ie. you have to stop and get permission from the RTC via CROR Rule 564 to pass. (I believe a single aspect with a "A" plate under it would also indicate a absolute stop. Never installed one of these, but have seen one on the CPR between Red Deer and Edmonton.)
A intermediate or approach signal can be a single aspect or double, staggered one side or the other. If it does not have the "R" plate, and is red, or red over red, then it is a stop and proceed signal. If it has the "R" plate, then a stop is not required, but you have to proceed to the next signal at restricted speed.
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Posted by xtrack42 on Friday, December 12, 2003 6:05 PM
Kevin:
Up here, with searchlight signals, the signals at a controlled point will be lined up one over the other. If all are indicating stop, then it is a absolute stop - ie. you have to stop and get permission from the RTC via CROR Rule 564 to pass. (I believe a single aspect with a "A" plate under it would also indicate a absolute stop. Never installed one of these, but have seen one on the CPR between Red Deer and Edmonton.)
A intermediate or approach signal can be a single aspect or double, staggered one side or the other. If it does not have the "R" plate, and is red, or red over red, then it is a stop and proceed signal. If it has the "R" plate, then a stop is not required, but you have to proceed to the next signal at restricted speed.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 5:25 PM
You sure?

Not that i want to challenge you or anything but the signals up here, if there is a Yellow plated "R" displayed on the signal, it means when it's red.. its like stop then go at 15 MPH. Kind of like a stop sign.

Some now, we don't even have to stop at, just make sure were going between 10 MPH and 15 MPH as we pass them,

The only reason we would ever need to stop at a restricitive signal, is when were told to.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 5:25 PM
You sure?

Not that i want to challenge you or anything but the signals up here, if there is a Yellow plated "R" displayed on the signal, it means when it's red.. its like stop then go at 15 MPH. Kind of like a stop sign.

Some now, we don't even have to stop at, just make sure were going between 10 MPH and 15 MPH as we pass them,

The only reason we would ever need to stop at a restricitive signal, is when were told to.
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Posted by dehusman on Friday, December 12, 2003 10:09 AM
Absolute signals can have only one head.
Intermediate signals can have more than one head.

There is no such theng as a "restrictive" signal other than any signal can be restrictive if they display a restrictive indication.

Whether they are in a line or staggered makes no difference to the indication, its just what mounting hardware they use.

Dwarf signals are aimed "up" so they can be seen more easily.

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Posted by dehusman on Friday, December 12, 2003 10:09 AM
Absolute signals can have only one head.
Intermediate signals can have more than one head.

There is no such theng as a "restrictive" signal other than any signal can be restrictive if they display a restrictive indication.

Whether they are in a line or staggered makes no difference to the indication, its just what mounting hardware they use.

Dwarf signals are aimed "up" so they can be seen more easily.

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Posted by northwesterner on Friday, December 12, 2003 9:41 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The yellow-red sign or "flag" indicate that 2 miles (or so) beyond the flag there is a gang working on the track.
If it was solid yellow it would indicate a temporary slow order 2 miles away.
If it was red it would indicate the beginning of the gang work area and is a stop signal.
If it was solid green that would indicate the end of the work area.

Dave H.


Thanks again to all of you who are willing to put up with us novices in this area, as your info is priceless. Dave, I crossed the ex-WC tracks in Buffalo Grove, IL this morning, and just as you said, the yellow/red striped flag i've seen the lasr few weeks was replaced by a solid red! Thanks again for answering a question I hadn't even asked yet![8D]

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Posted by northwesterner on Friday, December 12, 2003 9:41 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The yellow-red sign or "flag" indicate that 2 miles (or so) beyond the flag there is a gang working on the track.
If it was solid yellow it would indicate a temporary slow order 2 miles away.
If it was red it would indicate the beginning of the gang work area and is a stop signal.
If it was solid green that would indicate the end of the work area.

Dave H.


Thanks again to all of you who are willing to put up with us novices in this area, as your info is priceless. Dave, I crossed the ex-WC tracks in Buffalo Grove, IL this morning, and just as you said, the yellow/red striped flag i've seen the lasr few weeks was replaced by a solid red! Thanks again for answering a question I hadn't even asked yet![8D]

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Posted by northwesterner on Friday, December 12, 2003 9:36 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The yellow-red sign or "flag" indicate that 2 miles (or so) beyond the flag there is a gang working on the track.
If it was solid yellow it would indicate a temporary slow order 2 miles away.
If it was red it would indicate the beginning of the gang work area and is a stop signal.
If it was solid green that would indicate the end of the work area.

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Posted by northwesterner on Friday, December 12, 2003 9:36 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

The yellow-red sign or "flag" indicate that 2 miles (or so) beyond the flag there is a gang working on the track.
If it was solid yellow it would indicate a temporary slow order 2 miles away.
If it was red it would indicate the beginning of the gang work area and is a stop signal.
If it was solid green that would indicate the end of the work area.

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:00 PM
Lower than you are?[:D] (Sorry, couldn't resist the opening)

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, December 11, 2003 4:00 PM
Lower than you are?[:D] (Sorry, couldn't resist the opening)

Dirty Bird
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:53 PM
I have a personal vendetta against Dwarf Signals...

For that reason exactly, there too low to the freakin' ground!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:53 PM
I have a personal vendetta against Dwarf Signals...

For that reason exactly, there too low to the freakin' ground!
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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:42 PM
Answer: You are generally supposed to see them from a distance as you approach. If you are stopped right on top of them and can't see them, shoot the guy who placed the insulated joints or climb down and look. They are frequently placed to help differentiate between a main track signal and a siding signal.

You aren't related to the SP people that had mileposts installed on posts that were cab high out on the R/W on the CottonRock in New Mexico? ($$$$$$$!!!)

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:42 PM
Answer: You are generally supposed to see them from a distance as you approach. If you are stopped right on top of them and can't see them, shoot the guy who placed the insulated joints or climb down and look. They are frequently placed to help differentiate between a main track signal and a siding signal.

You aren't related to the SP people that had mileposts installed on posts that were cab high out on the R/W on the CottonRock in New Mexico? ($$$$$$$!!!)

Mudchicken
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:54 PM
here's a signal question from me... how the heck can you see a dwarf signal from the cab? the pictures i've seen of them, the things are so low to the ground it must be pretty hard.
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Posted by Mikeygaw on Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:54 PM
here's a signal question from me... how the heck can you see a dwarf signal from the cab? the pictures i've seen of them, the things are so low to the ground it must be pretty hard.
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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by coalminer3

"Jackasses? You hold up a whole column for a pair of jackasses?"

work safe
It worked didn't it?[}:)]

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by coalminer3

"Jackasses? You hold up a whole column for a pair of jackasses?"

work safe
It worked didn't it?[}:)]

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

I belive the ability to be stubborn may have something to do with it!
Ok, time to tuck and duck...
Ed[:D]
That's no fair - you know me a little better than most...

Get out of that one! [:0]

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Posted by Mookie on Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

I belive the ability to be stubborn may have something to do with it!
Ok, time to tuck and duck...
Ed[:D]
That's no fair - you know me a little better than most...

Get out of that one! [:0]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:09 PM
I have the stupidest Question of all times.. I saw someone mention the positioning of signals, so maybe someone knows about this one.

heres a few for you.. (you being the person that can answer these)

Ive noticed that Absolute signals and Restricitve signals are set up very differently.
For example

Absolute singlas have lights on on top of each other.

Restricive signals have lights one to the LEFT of each other (that means, There is one on top, the other is bellow and to the left of the first light.)

Now i'm looking at this and realizeing that Restricitve Signaling the lights aren't exactly ina straight line, the second one is off to the left, Yet on the absolute signal, the lights are exactly one underneith each other.

Now up here, the signals I was born and raised with are the "Search light" signals. They even put a new one in with "tripple aspect LED lights" no Motors, no lens change.. Just Green/yellow/red all from tiny little bulbs.

So with that observation , is that true.. are the lights of a Restrictive signal are not one on top of each other?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:09 PM
I have the stupidest Question of all times.. I saw someone mention the positioning of signals, so maybe someone knows about this one.

heres a few for you.. (you being the person that can answer these)

Ive noticed that Absolute signals and Restricitve signals are set up very differently.
For example

Absolute singlas have lights on on top of each other.

Restricive signals have lights one to the LEFT of each other (that means, There is one on top, the other is bellow and to the left of the first light.)

Now i'm looking at this and realizeing that Restricitve Signaling the lights aren't exactly ina straight line, the second one is off to the left, Yet on the absolute signal, the lights are exactly one underneith each other.

Now up here, the signals I was born and raised with are the "Search light" signals. They even put a new one in with "tripple aspect LED lights" no Motors, no lens change.. Just Green/yellow/red all from tiny little bulbs.

So with that observation , is that true.. are the lights of a Restrictive signal are not one on top of each other?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:08 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

I belive the ability to be stubborn may have something to do with it!
Ok, time to tuck and duck...
Ed[:D]



Why ED, . . . . . whatever do you mean? [:D] [}:)] [:p] [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:08 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

I belive the ability to be stubborn may have something to do with it!
Ok, time to tuck and duck...
Ed[:D]



Why ED, . . . . . whatever do you mean? [:D] [}:)] [:p] [;)]
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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:06 AM
Jenny = female donkey (don't get upset; it's in the dictionary - LOL)

I remember seeing an ad from a mining machinery company yrs ago when coal operations were going to mechanized haulage. Had a picture of mule haulage with the caption, "Jenny doesn't work here anymore."

Also brings to mind the old song, "My Sweetheart's the Mule in the Mines." This exists in several versions, most of which would give forum moderator(s) the vapors...

"Jackasses? You hold up a whole column for a pair of jackasses?"

work safe
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Posted by coalminer3 on Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:06 AM
Jenny = female donkey (don't get upset; it's in the dictionary - LOL)

I remember seeing an ad from a mining machinery company yrs ago when coal operations were going to mechanized haulage. Had a picture of mule haulage with the caption, "Jenny doesn't work here anymore."

Also brings to mind the old song, "My Sweetheart's the Mule in the Mines." This exists in several versions, most of which would give forum moderator(s) the vapors...

"Jackasses? You hold up a whole column for a pair of jackasses?"

work safe
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Posted by edblysard on Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:54 AM
I belive the ability to be stubborn may have something to do with it!
Ok, time to tuck and duck...
Ed[:D]

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Posted by edblysard on Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:54 AM
I belive the ability to be stubborn may have something to do with it!
Ok, time to tuck and duck...
Ed[:D]

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