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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 8, 2006 9:33 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Funny thing is going on lately. The price of oil continues to go up and down. However, our prices have stayed about the same for a period of time now. This is not making sense. When the price of oil goes up the gas stations almost immediately raise their prices. But when the price of oil drops our gas prices stay about the same. Has anyone else noticed this lately? [?]




Yep - same this side of the pond too. They put the price up at the first sniff of a rise in the price of crude, when it drops it takes a good few weeks for the pump price to follow suit. They're making a tidy sum from that little wheeze!
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Posted by vsmith on Monday, May 8, 2006 9:41 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

In the last two days gas here in Chula Vista went from $3.25 to $3.40 a gallon.


We have not had a big rise in the last few days or so, therefore one must be coming. [:(]

It would not surprise me if gas hit $4 a gallon by Labor day. [;)]




I was thinking more likely by a $4 peak right before July 4th, then a drop back down to 3.50ish for the rest of the summer then another more prolonged $4 spike from Sept 1 till they change back to "winter" formula in Oct.[V]

Hey ya know those $350million dollar retirement packeges dont grow on trees, someones got to pay for them.[:(!]

Time to consider trading in the truck before it gets too many miles on it![:0]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 8, 2006 1:39 PM
One of the latest gas station ideas is a fuel bank. [:0]

You choose a grade of gasoline and lock it that price for "x" number of dollars or gallons. It is pay in advance and you get a gasoline "card" for that station. When you purchase your gas you swip your card and the amount is deducted from your account.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 11:17 AM
I have now seen several tv news articles on the fuel banks. Both the national news and the local news has carried stories on it. I don't know of any in my area. Anyone know of any operating near them? [?]


And gas is going down according to recent articles. I am not sure where tho, it sure has not gone down here more than a cent or two, if that. [:(]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:44 AM
I had to have a tired fixed about a week ago and while in the waiting room picked up a magazine to read. One of the stories I read was about Canada and its attemps to get oil from way up north. The same article also told of the US looking to obtain oil from oil sands or shale. I am not sure now which magazine I even picked up.

So much for the lower prices that were predicted. Oil has been going up again.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:21 AM
Get Your Hummer Now Or Else [:o)]

GM announced Friday that the 2006 model year will be the last of the H1 Hummers. The very last H1 is expected to be built in June.

The H1 was getting only 10 miles to the gallon but GM stated the gas milage was not the cause of the H1's demise. They stated the people who bought the H1s were not concerned about gas prices. A current model of the H1 (H1 Alpha) sells for $130,000 to $140,000.

Getting this monster off the road is a step in the right direction. However, I doubt that too many soccer moms will be effected by it. [:o)]



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Posted by eastside on Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by blhanel

It's been dropping here- we're down to $2.659 a gallon.
The cheapest gasoline I ever bought was in Clinton, IA in '69 -- 25 cents a gallon. (That's $1.36 in current prices.) Even back then that was startlingly cheap and memorable because I had a 427 'Vette to fill. Back home in Illinois it was about 45 cents/gal.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:39 AM
Yesterday I noticed that gas has come down a few cents around my area. Mind you it is ONLY a few cents. Regular unleaded is currently $2.75 while premium unleaded is $2.95.

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Posted by blhanel on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:11 PM
That's funny, we're currently headed the other way around here. Up to $2.799 a gallon, IIRC.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Yesterday I noticed that gas has come down a few cents around my area. Mind you it is ONLY a few cents. Regular unleaded is currently $2.75 while premium unleaded is $2.95.





We just dropped another [2c] . Our regular unleaded is now $2.73 a gallon. And what is amazing is we are approaching the first of our so-called Summer Holiday.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 4, 2006 10:12 AM
I noticed recently that our regular unleaded price is down into the mid $2.60s. It depends upon where you buy your gas but $2.65 to $2.69 (for regular unleaded) is getting common locally.

It is nice that the price has lowered some because the UP 844 drew many people to see it on its latest trip. I even chased it a little. [^]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

I noticed recently that our regular unleaded price is down into the mid $2.60s. It depends upon where you buy your gas but $2.65 to $2.69 (for regular unleaded) is getting common locally.

It is nice that the price has lowered some because the UP 844 drew many people to see it on its latest trip. I even chased it a little. [^]





Things are going about the same again. Funny though how a rumor can make it go up in price over night by it takes days or even weeks to come down in price.

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Posted by railfanespee4449 on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:10 PM
You know what rocks?
1-I can BIKE to the tracks any time I want!
2-I live 2.5 miles from a buy double-track UP mainline
3- IT'S SUMMER BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Call me crazy, but I LIKE Zito yellow. RAILFANESPEE4449
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:15 PM
I was just reading a new article about the future of gas prices in the United States. Here are a few items from that article:

* The government says gas prices may fall soon

* But before you ru***o buy a gas guzzler, be aware they also forecast the price will hit $2.76 a gallon this summer – a new record for the period of time

* That’s 14 cents more than the April forecast, currenly prices are up 76 cents from the same time a year ago

* Gasoline prices will average $2.76 a gallon for the coming summer driving season

* That's up 39 cents from 2005's summer and a nickel higher than the Energy Information Administration forecast a month ago.

* Prices currently exceed $3 a gallon in 10 different states




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Posted by railfanespee4449 on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:17 PM
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Call me crazy, but I LIKE Zito yellow. RAILFANESPEE4449
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by railfanespee4449


Old thread




2 months = old LOL LOL LOL


You might want to remove a few of your "smileys" or at least leave a blank between some of them please. That is what makes the page drawn out and hard to read. Thanks.

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Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 8:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by railfanespee4449
(His Smilie post. I took them all out to make room)

Just a little off topic......

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 8, 2006 10:46 AM
Off Topic? No sir!

The price of oil/gas has a big impact upon my ability to go railfanning. It does on many people. Unfortunately as the price goes up people must choose between other things as well, such as gas or food, or gas or medicine.

The railroads themselves are effected by the price of gas/oil too. The two largest expenses of a railroad are gas/oil and labor costs. Maybe that is why our COLA this time is nothing but a joke. Only we are not laughing.
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Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, June 8, 2006 11:30 PM
No ***, I meant his post about OUR topic being off topic.....if that makes sense. In either case, Im agreeing with you.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 9, 2006 12:46 AM
Thanks George

I expect the price of oil/gas to resume its upward trend any time now. All it takes is a rumor and it shoots up overnight. [:(!]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 12, 2006 11:07 AM
Our gas prices are again on the way up. They are currently $2.79 to $2.99 a gallon. The premium grade of unlead is just under $3.00 a gallong so the roller coaster is going back up.

Here is part of a news article I was just reading.


If the United States is going to end its addiction to oil, the fuel station of the future might look like Pearson Ford Fuel Depot.

Along with gasoline and diesel, the one-of-a-kind station - part of a dealership near busy Interstate 15 - offers a full range of clean-burning alternative fuels from ethanol to propane to BioWillie, a brand of biodiesel made from soybeans and promoted by country music legend Willie Nelson.

The station isn't profitable yet. But co-owner Mike Lewis said that could change if oil prices force consumers to seriously consider other fuels - especially in San Diego, which regularly pays among the nation's highest gas prices.

There are pumps labeled "E85" and "compressed natural gas" along with recharging stations for people with electric cars.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:19 AM
Here is some info about companies who are developing ethanol.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jun2006/nf20060612_5577_db016.htm?campaign_id=search


Currently ethanol is not reducing the price or demand for gas/oil. Some articles I have read said it is actually jacking the price up some. [:0]

I hope to post some more info on ethanol in the next few days that will give us more info about it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:51 AM
Some current gas prices from around the world. Prices are for regular and in US dollars.

Caracus . . . . . . $0.12

Kuwait . . . . . . . . $0.78

Mexico . . . . . . . . $2.25

China . . . . . . . . . $2.40

South Africa . . . . . $3.70

Australia . . . . . . . $3.70

Japan . . . . . . . . . $4.93

Germany . . . . . . . .$6.10

Italy . . . . . . . . . . . $6.15

Belgium . . . . . . . . $6.33

Hong Kong . . . . . . $6.54

Norway . . . . . . . . . $6.99


















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Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:23 PM
Update on our gas prices: Last week I purchased fuel for 2.58....and now today, for 41 cents more I can purchase it....Yes, today it's 2.99. Supply and demand....Bunk...!! Greed and manipulation is more like it. Most likely getting us all ready for the big 4th holiday time.

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Posted by Simon Reed on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:19 PM
I've been intrigued by this this thread for some time.

No politics - I have certain views that I won't impose upon you but just have a little look at what is going on in Caracus, Venezuela. Thank you to the politically literate who have spotted a certain connection.

The price of diesel does'nt seem to factor into this thread. I realise that you American chaps don't tend to go for diesel autos. Could anyone explain why, out of curiosity?

I drive a diesel auto here in the UK which cruises happily at about 85MPH, and does 500 miles on a full tank. I own an ALCo S1 which is based about 160 miles from my home and can make the round trip on just over half a tank.

My eyes water when I read what is considered to be acceptable fuel consumption in earlier posts....
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Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 2:34 PM
.....I really don't see a very wide advantage to owning a diesel automobile compared to a good 3 L gasoline engined powered one....Cost of maintenance is higher and more often....Price of the diesel fuel is really not an advantage now.....rank smelling exaust from diesel vehicles....to park in the garage....Some problems with starting and operating under severe winter temps.....I understand a diesel produces more work from a gal of fuel than does a gasoline engined vehicle but the advantage is very narrow here now....Just some thoughts. And recently I drove my 3 L V-6 gasoline engine automoble 420 miles before refueling....and the tank was not empty at that point. Gauge was indicating about 1/4 remaining in the 18.5 cap. tank.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:22 PM
If we could only harness the hot air expended on the site?

Not to mention the methane we could recover from all the BS!

Just a general observation.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:39 PM
Originally posted by Simon Reed

The price of diesel does'nt seem to factor into this thread. I realise that you American chaps don't tend to go for diesel autos. Could anyone explain why, out of curiosity?

Simon: Diesels don't really like colder weather. In the northern climes,we have blended fuel.#2 #1 diesel, to keep from jellying

Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.

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Posted by Modelcar on Friday, June 30, 2006 10:48 AM
...One more thought....Initial cost of vehicle is higher. {The diesel one}.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 5:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jhhtrainsplanes

Here is some info about companies who are developing ethanol.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jun2006/nf20060612_5577_db016.htm?campaign_id=search


Currently ethanol is not reducing the price or demand for gas/oil. Some articles I have read said it is actually jacking the price up some. [:0]

I hope to post some more info on ethanol in the next few days that will give us more info about it.





OK

I am going to start the info I promised but just have not had time to post. I have a series of questions and some answers about ethanol that are interesting. You can make your own judgement on ethanol after reading the info I will post.

Here we go.

High gas prices are making other fuels increasingly attractive, one alternative fuel that has received much attention is ethanol. Some hail ethanol, which can be derived from many plants including corn, wheat, barley and sugarcane, as a savior of American energy policy, while others see it as a fad popularized by its heavily subsidized corporate backers.

The reality is complex. Though still a tiny industry compared to gas, ethanol could become a more prominent part of the U.S. and world fuel supply in coming years.

Still, as ethanol's public profile rises, there's plenty of misinformation swirling around and a host of questions. What exactly is ethanol? How is it made and used? And is it really a viable alternative to gas? Here's what you need to know now.

I will start the questions tomorrow. [;)]

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