QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal Lotus - RE: Your statement "Only a (sadly) slender amount of the population would use a HSL" is true for passenger HSR, but we all benefit from freight transportation expediency, so a freight HSR system would have societal benefits not seen in a passenger HSR system. Murphy, I ain't eatin popcorn, I'm munching Cheez-It's. Get your own box!
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QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 How much more blasted proof do you need, a mushroom cloud over your home town? He use the gosh-darn things ten time before we invaded. All of those people could see the proof, man since those people aren't very smart you must even less smart. WARNING BIG FACT AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998. HERE IS YOUR PROOF! http://www.sundayherald.com/39252 [I] Oh, I don't know. Maybe since we've occupied the country for a few years, if we FOUND SOME.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 How much more blasted proof do you need, a mushroom cloud over your home town? He use the gosh-darn things ten time before we invaded. All of those people could see the proof, man since those people aren't very smart you must even less smart. WARNING BIG FACT AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998. HERE IS YOUR PROOF! http://www.sundayherald.com/39252 [I]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 As to a HSL being viewed similar to a road, you may be thinking along the lines of a false premise. Everyone uses roads.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 So what kind of goods can be shipped, other than mail, on HSL?
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Tom and others. What you have to understand is that James has a little problem with the concept of before and after. It seems like everybody agreed that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and so we invaded Iraq. Apparently Saddam must have seen us coming and flushed them all down the toilet, because after spending tens of millions of dollars looking all over the place we could not find any WMD's. Either that or Saddam now has his WMD's hidden somewhere in his jail cell. At any rate if we start spending government money on HSR, we will never find the WMD's and before we know it Idaho will be blown up.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Tom and others. What you have to understand is that James has a little problem with the concept of before and after. It seems like everybody agreed that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction and so we invaded Iraq. Apparently Saddam must have seen us coming and flushed them all down the toilet, because after spending tens of millions of dollars looking all over the place we could not find any WMD's. Either that or Saddam now has his WMD's hidden somewhere in his jail cell. At any rate if we start spending government money on HSR, we will never find the WMD's and before we know it Idaho will be blown up. YES. I showed plenty of proof he had them. We weren't expecting to stroll in and ask for them, he wasn’t that stupid, we looked and if you read the article, found some. We didn't known he had destroyed most of it before we invaded, so we had to look. Other reasons for going in were presented, but were forgotten. This cricket keeps telling me to stick to railroads.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 How much more blasted proof do you need, a mushroom cloud over your home town? He use the gosh-darn things ten time before we invaded. All of those people could see the proof, man since those people aren't very smart you must even less smart. WARNING BIG FACT AHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.” Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998. HERE IS YOUR PROOF! http://www.sundayherald.com/39252 [I] Since 1983? that was 22 years ago, and we invaded in 1993, he didnt use them. We go again in 2002 and they find nothing. Again all your facts are based on pre-invasion intelligence that was openly criticized for being flawed by our allies. the facts of how and why have changed now. If our fearless leader had waited two more month until Hans Blicks (my spelling) report was released I wonder how much support congress or the public would have given him. Saddam had them, used them, got his nose bloodied in 93 and dumped them. But keep up all appearances to his nieghbors and the UN to keep the apperance of a threat so he could the US and the UN off balance and remain in power. The truth of this was becoming known, so Bush had to act before they could risk a public change of opinion. If your worried about a mushroom cloud, why the hell are they not doing something about North Korea? Iran? they are MUCH greater risks. Yet we are now stuck up to our knees in Iraq with no real way out. PS ...Bin Boy is still giving us the finger every day he remains free, and thats my principle beef with Bush-Boy! Anyway this topic is going all over the place, I've stated my last post of this as the original topic is now irrelevant...there will be no HSR in this country, we wont have Amtrack for much longer. Bush and his cadre of idiots are dooming America to air-cattle and freeway schlepping. Maybe we will see some of these soon to be ex-Amtrack Genesis units hauling double-stacks or triple-crowns in the near future....[}:)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Futuremodal I understand there is a big job opening with offices in Wahington Union Station. You should apply for the job. You will fit right in.
QUOTE: Again all your facts are based on pre-invasion intelligence that was openly criticized for being flawed by our allies.
QUOTE: I've stated my last post of this as the original topic is now irrelevant.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Moving on from the windbags. I am not so sure that it would make sense to move freight on a HSL. This might make since if it ran on regular track, not a Maglev or anything. Most goods have more problems with lack of freight cars not the speed of delivery. You still are going to have freight trains slowing down passenger trains, since freight trains would have to make more stops to pick up and drop of cars. You also might have problems getting both shippers for a commodity the HSL route, or having the right type of freight car loaded. Another issue not brought up is grade crossing safety. People complain freight trains come out of nowhere, a 250mph train would come even faster. Because of the more spread out us suburbs and rural roads, we couldn’t build over passes for every crossing. If any experts are out there, I would love to here from them about the idea of freight on a HSL.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Democrats, this is your conscience. WAS IT WRONG TO OVER-THROW A DICATOR WHO MURDERED THOUSANDS OF HIS OWN PEOPLE A YEAR?!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2854019.stm Ahem, ahem. http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/01fs/14906.htm http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timeline3.htm The proof is in the pudding, these violations alone, are strong indicators he was hiding something; and reason enough o invade! Why so you suppose he wouldn’t allow inspections. SO THEY WOULDN’T FIND THE WEAPONS. Saddam implied, according to the former Presidential Secretary, that Iraq would resume WMD programs after sanctions in order to restore the “strategic balance” within the region and, particularly, against Israel. Following Husayn Kamil’s defection, Saddam took steps to better manage Iraqi industry, and with the creation of the Iraqi Industrial Committee (IIC) in September 1995, the stage was set for a renewal of Iraq’s chemical industry. The IIC coordinated a range of projects aimed at developing an indigenous chemical production capability for strategically important chemicals that were difficult to import under UN sanctions, according to reporting. Between 1996 and 2003, the IIC coordinated large and important projects for the indigenous production of chemicals. · A written order from Saddam established the National Project for Pharmaceuticals and Pesticides (NPPP). NPPP focused on the synthesis of drugs and pesticides, for which Iraq in the past relied heavily on foreign suppliers. · The IIC examined over 1,000 chemicals for initial R&D to determine the feasibility of scaled-up production. ISG notes that two chemicals on this list were compounds that are consistent with an experimental VX pathway. · The process for vetting the 1,000 chemicals for economic feasibility and large-scale production was intensive and formalized. The IIC leadership built in several layers of review, research, and justification before compounds were selected for scale-up, raising further suspicion about the three compounds, particularly dicyclocarbodiimide (DCC)—a dehydrating agent that can be used as a VX stabilizer · Dr. Ja’far Dhia Ja’far, and IIC member, could not recall which projects were accepted for scale-up but he knew that some compounds were dual-use and declarable to the UN, and that the National Monitoring Directorate (NMD) did not declare all of the chemicals. Reports of an unexplained discovery of VX traces on missile warhead fragments in April 1997 led to further tension between UNSCOM and Iraq. The uneasy relationship escalated with the discovery of the ‘Air Force Document’ (see RSI chapter) in July 1998, which indicated further Iraqi deception and obfuscation over its CW disclosures. Iraq’s anger about these two major issues was a contributing factor to Saddam’s decisions to suspend cooperation with UNSCOM and IAEA. · The lack of inspectors allowed further dual-use infrastructure to be developed. The lack of effective monitoring emboldened Saddam and his illicit procurement activities. Concurrently, Iraq continued to upgrade its indigenous manufacturing capability, pursuing glass-lining technology and manufacturing its own multipurpose controllers. Scientists from the former CW program formulated agent simulants such as concentrated Malathion, a pesticide, and locally manufactured a copy of a system to disperse the simulant in 2001 and 2002. Thionyl chloride, a controlled CW precursor that Iraq had used as a chlorinating agent in its sulfur mustard and nerve agent production processes up until 1990, was part of the program for the indigenous production of chemicals. The IIC tasked the Jaber Bin Hayan State Company between 1996 and 1998 to research the small-scale production of thionyl chloride, according to reporting. According to official reporting, thionyl chloride production was reported to Iraq’s National Monitoring Directorate. Iraq began research on VX in the 1980s but failed to declare any production or attempts to produce VX until August 1995. Excerpts from: http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5.html#sect0 Why look at what your beloved Al Gore said in 1998. “ "If you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He's already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons. He poison-gassed his own people. He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors. This man has no compunction about killing lots and lots of people." Only look here if not convinced the war is and was worth it. http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/images/ch5_img00.jpg QUOTE: Again all your facts are based on pre-invasion intelligence that was openly criticized for being flawed by our allies. A little proof please! Wasn’t it British intelligence information that helped get us started? QUOTE: I've stated my last post of this as the original topic is now irrelevant. Aren’t you proud of yourself for doing that! Well I don’t plan on having this thread derailed. Back to the subject!
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