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Posted by PBenham on Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

As long as you are not on RR property,they have NO right to tellyou to leave.
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Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:29 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Vic - I will take one popcorn and one diet Coke - but don't want to stay for the show...

Moo


You have a Dr Pepper to go with that popcorn? Large Popcorn and medium soda for me.

I noticed that there's no second entry from K.P Harrier in this post. I was hoping for some details of his "encounter" that made him vent like this.


I think he had a run-in at Devore near a public crossing. Some BNSF cop told him to kick rocks even though he was on public property.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by PBenham

The point is that there are railroad employees that do not like having railfans[:(!] around when they are at work. They hate their jobs[xx(], hate their employer[xx(], and they hate [V] you, too! They will violate your rights because they are[censored] and They will continue to do it because the authorities are represented by BULLIES-- That also hate their jobs, hate their employer, and hate ANYONE that interrupts their chowing down on a doughnut, drinking coffee,smoking, and behaves outside their sphere of understanding, which is pathetically tiny.[V] The terrorists have given these[censored][banghead][*^_^*][D)][|(]s The PERCEPTION they can STOMP ON US! Well, this is a fight that cannot be won, gang, unless there is a 100% united front that will let the major carriers know that they need to have us on their side[^] NOT fighting them. [V] A way to protest: write your member of the house and your senators and tell them that you want to have Amtrak de-funded, and have the railroads restore ALL pre-Amtrak trains, at 100% of all costs on their own! Then we'll see...
So when I get a job at a railroad do I suddenly hate railfans? Do I become the enemy? Why are you interupting them anyways?




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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:45 PM
Ok thats 12 popcorn, 8 cokes, 2 diets, 2 beers, a Butterfinger and an order of Ritilan, please pull up to the second window please.!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:50 PM
vsmith: Am I too late to order? No. Great, I'll take one diet Coca Cola, one regular Coca Cola, and two bags of buttered popcorn. And thanks.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:10 PM
The famous "French" thread now that was funny.
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:22 PM
And here, all this time I had been standing up for America......oh well....

Chief, take a memo for me.....to the Chairman, Joint Chief of Staff.....effective immediately...withdraw all US forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan and Europe. Make plans to conduct operations up to and including open warfare on the railroad companies of the United States. Report status of forces and recommended courses of action NLT 01 Nov.

We shall vaporize their un-patrotic US flag decal bearing locomotives with the plasma of our depleted uranium SABO rounds, whilst we take pictures from the edge of their property wearing un-licenced UP logo T-shirts and hats........that'll show them.....

Okay KP...done....anymore requests....

Dan

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:25 PM
Hey Harrier, put a sock in it you bone head! Rosa Parks wasn't standing up for the Bus Foamers.......Sheesh. I think that all foamers should band together and bring the RRs to their knees by implementing the grand foamer poobah's plan which entails........um...uh...well....uh....they'll figure that out later, but they will bring the RRs to their knees dammit. My suggestion is that the millitant foamers out there protest by lining up on the tracks to stop all operations. I promise that I'll stop....Really I will........
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:27 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

Hey Harrier, put a sock in it you bone head!



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Posted by selector on Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:33 PM
I'm wondering who has the guts to stand up for this....um....stance.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

And here, all this time I had been standing up for America......oh well....

Chief, take a memo for me.....to the Chairman, Joint Chief of Staff.....effective immediately...withdraw all US forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan and Europe. Make plans to conduct operations up to and including open warfare on the railroad companies of the United States. Report status of forces and recommended courses of action NLT 01 Nov.

We shall vaporize their un-patrotic US flag decal bearing locomotives with the plasma of our depleted uranium SABO rounds, whilst we take pictures from the edge of their property wearing un-licenced UP logo T-shirts and hats........that'll show them.....

Okay KP...done....anymore requests....

Dan

large Diet Coke and some Jordan Almonds for me Vic
The Marines used to move their tanks on flatcars[:D]

BTW. You mean a sabot round.
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Posted by PigFarmer1 on Thursday, October 27, 2005 5:41 PM
I think K.P. is right. He should boycott the railroads. Don't watch any more trains. Don't take any more pictures. That'll show 'em. The railroads will be begging for his mercy before he knows it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by K. P. Harrier

Who has the guts to standup for America?





Well man, you are right, it is gonna take some one with guts to be willing to stand up for their constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

But, I don't think the railroads are the villain. Our own gov't is a much bigger thug.

All this "surrender your freedoms so that it will be easier to protect you" bs, is exactly that.....BS. Yet the majority of the population are such scared little wimps, they just bend over and take it, excusing it away with such nonsense as "B'aaaa, if you're not doing anything wrong, then you should have nothing to worry about,...B'aaaa" and the sort.

Already there is gathering an abundance of information indicating that the authorities granted under the patriot act are being abused by the FBI

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/25/2fbi.surveillance/

And still the sheep among us just follow blindly and say B'aaaaa! while munching their free popcorn furnished by "the man"...

[}:)]

Sometimes it amazes me just how gullible people are willing to be in exchange for a pat on the head and an "atta boy" from their "superiors"
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:39 PM
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:46 PM
lol....holy*** that's funny
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Posted by PigFarmer1 on Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:04 PM
Hey Anti,
I love what you said about the suck-ups. I was listening to some business expert on the radio this morning who was giving advice to an obviously white collar crowd. She said that people should not kiss up to the boss, but, rather, they should MIMIC the way the boss acts. I always thought that was sucking up, but I guess I was wrong. lol
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:07 PM
Well, this thread is pointless.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by PigFarmer1

Hey Anti,
I love what you said about the suck-ups. I was listening to some business expert on the radio this morning who was giving advice to an obviously white collar crowd. She said that people should not kiss up to the boss, but, rather, they should MIMIC the way the boss acts. I always thought that was sucking up, but I guess I was wrong. lol



You raise an interesting issue.

Sure, it is easier to "get ahead" within the system by supporting those in power. I'm sure they will always have a use for dedicated psychophants.. So long as the psychophants enjoy the look of theor own shoelaces, "everybody is happy"...right? [}:)].....

But at some point any rational being has to stop and ask themselves if yielding even more control to those claiming power, simply to please THEM, is in the best interest of freedom.

my take on that is that freedom is a precious commodity. Once you give it up, the price to get it back is always way higher.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:23 PM
"WELL SINCE 911," seems to be the battle cry for certain pollitical figures and the justification of the loss of privacy. Alot of the privacies that have been removed SINCE 911, we will never see again and it is tolerated because of panic. You have a good point gates.
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Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:36 PM
..."Stand up for America...?"...I'd say quite a few members have done so on here...I know I did over 50 plus years ago....

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Posted by samfp1943 on Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:48 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

QUOTE: Originally posted by PigFarmer1

Hey Anti,
I love what you said about the suck-ups. I was listening to some business expert on the radio this morning who was giving advice to an obviously white collar crowd. She said that people should not kiss up to the boss, but, rather, they should MIMIC the way the boss acts. I always thought that was sucking up, but I guess I was wrong. lol



You raise an interesting issue.

Sure, it is easier to "get ahead" within the system by supporting those in power. I'm sure they will always have a use for dedicated psychophants.. So long as the psychophants enjoy the look of theor own shoelaces, "everybody is happy"...right? [}:)].....

But at some point any rational being has to stop and ask themselves if yielding even more control to those claiming power, simply to please THEM, is in the best interest of freedom.

my take on that is that freedom is a precious commodity. Once you give it up, the price to get it back is always way higher.


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

"WELL SINCE 911," seems to be the battle cry for certain pollitical figures and the justification of the loss of privacy. Alot of the privacies that have been removed SINCE 911, we will never see again and it is tolerated because of panic. You have a good point gates.


What i REALLY REALLY don't understand is why, when, and how it became a given that only "bad guys" would be upset about loosing their freedoms. The counter argument made by the obediant sheep among the flock stating "if you haven't done anything wrong, you shouldn't have anything to worry about"...is NUTZ!! because it makes the blind assumption that our leaders would never intentionally abuse their powers.. When haven't they?

I think it is because an oversized portion of out population has grown up brainwashed to be obediant little children, to do as they are ordered to. And I really wi***hey would just grow TFU! and take control of their lives instead of depending upon the ideologue of their choice to do their thinking for them.

But, I doubt that will happen without first having them give away so much of their freesdom that there will be a revolution necessary to take them back.

now a days it seems as though most folks are too busy being liberal or conservative "fan boys" parroting the thought and speak of their party lines,.. to just stop for a moment and think things through for themselves for a change.
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Posted by PigFarmer1 on Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

QUOTE: Originally posted by PigFarmer1

Hey Anti,
I love what you said about the suck-ups. I was listening to some business expert on the radio this morning who was giving advice to an obviously white collar crowd. She said that people should not kiss up to the boss, but, rather, they should MIMIC the way the boss acts. I always thought that was sucking up, but I guess I was wrong. lol



You raise an interesting issue.

Sure, it is easier to "get ahead" within the system by supporting those in power. I'm sure they will always have a use for dedicated psychophants.. So long as the psychophants enjoy the look of theor own shoelaces, "everybody is happy"...right? [}:)].....

But at some point any rational being has to stop and ask themselves if yielding even more control to those claiming power, simply to please THEM, is in the best interest of freedom.

my take on that is that freedom is a precious commodity. Once you give it up, the price to get it back is always way higher.


You know, once you have given up your self-respect there isn't much more you can give up...I'd rather keep my dignity than be a brown-noser.[}:)]
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Posted by TomDiehl on Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by PigFarmer1

Hey Anti,
I love what you said about the suck-ups. I was listening to some business expert on the radio this morning who was giving advice to an obviously white collar crowd. She said that people should not kiss up to the boss, but, rather, they should MIMIC the way the boss acts. I always thought that was sucking up, but I guess I was wrong. lol



Wasn't tha t the sarcastic point behind the character "Mini Me" in the Austin Powers movie? Just have a clone (mimic) of the boss.
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Posted by M636C on Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:27 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

And here, all this time I had been standing up for America......oh well....

Chief, take a memo for me.....to the Chairman, Joint Chief of Staff.....effective immediately...withdraw all US forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan and Europe. Make plans to conduct operations up to and including open warfare on the railroad companies of the United States. Report status of forces and recommended courses of action NLT 01 Nov.

We shall vaporize their un-patrotic US flag decal bearing locomotives with the plasma of our depleted uranium SABO rounds, whilst we take pictures from the edge of their property wearing un-licenced UP logo T-shirts and hats........that'll show them.....

Okay KP...done....anymore requests....

Dan

large Diet Coke and some Jordan Almonds for me Vic



Of course it isn't neccessary for me to stand up for America, since I'm Australian, but I will stand up for the US National Anthem. I was taught to do this at school on Coral Sea Day every year when we remember the 1942 sea battle, even though I wasn't around for that war.

But I always thought the great thing about being a railfan was that you could go out and photgraph trains from public property, from roadsides and bridges without upsetting anybody. Sometimes railway employees (or even passers-by) get upset even when you are doing something quite legal that doesn't affect them. In that case I normally move elsewhere, since I don't see why I should share in something that is their problem. Besides, it is more fun to watch somebody getting upset than to participate.

But Dan, I'm not quite sure what it is that you are proposing to vapourise these locomotives. The "sabot" rounds I'm familiar with are the sub-calibre projectiles used in our "Phalanx" close in weapons systems. We are only allowed to use tungsten projectiles rather than depleted uranium (although I understand Australia has about half the world's supply of non-depleted uranium so it isn't clear why!). The sabot (from the French word for "shoe") is also the source of the word "sabotage" from putting a shoe in the works. I think of this when I contemplate an FFG flight deck covered with these strange bright orange plastic banana peels after a CIWS firing. I should explain for those who don't need to worry about this that the "sabot" is a plastic cover over the CIWS projectile designed to "peel off" into four sections on firing, allowing the smaller, heavy "dart" to travel further and faster and hopefully find an incoming missile and upset it (along with a couple of hundred others)

This could make your average SD70ACe look quite a bit like a colander and fairly static after going through the engine and control equipment, but would hardly vapourise it unless you fired quite a lot of rounds.

I know the term is also used for anti tank rounds which have an armour piercing capability, and these would possibly have a more striking effect, but for vapourising, I would have thought that a five inch gun HE projectile with contact fuzing would be a simpler and cheaper option in the vapourising category.

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Posted by jeaton on Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:34 PM
Looks like Friday is going to be another busy day for Bergie.

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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:37 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

And here, all this time I had been standing up for America......oh well....

Chief, take a memo for me.....to the Chairman, Joint Chief of Staff.....effective immediately...withdraw all US forces from Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan and Europe. Make plans to conduct operations up to and including open warfare on the railroad companies of the United States. Report status of forces and recommended courses of action NLT 01 Nov.

We shall vaporize their un-patrotic US flag decal bearing locomotives with the plasma of our depleted uranium SABO rounds, whilst we take pictures from the edge of their property wearing un-licenced UP logo T-shirts and hats........that'll show them.....

Okay KP...done....anymore requests....

Dan

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Of course it isn't neccessary for me to stand up for America, since I'm Australian, but I will stand up for the US National Anthem. I was taught to do this at school on Coral Sea Day every year when we remember the 1942 sea battle, even though I wasn't around for that war.

But I always thought the great thing about being a railfan was that you could go out and photgraph trains from public property, from roadsides and bridges without upsetting anybody. Sometimes railway employees (or even passers-by) get upset even when you are doing something quite legal that doesn't affect them. In that case I normally move elsewhere, since I don't see why I should share in something that is their problem. Besides, it is more fun to watch somebody getting upset than to participate.

But Dan, I'm not quite sure what it is that you are proposing to vapourise these locomotives. The "sabot" rounds I'm familiar with are the sub-calibre projectiles used in our "Phalanx" close in weapons systems. We are only allowed to use tungsten projectiles rather than depleted uranium (although I understand Australia has about half the world's supply of non-depleted uranium so it isn't clear why!). The sabot (from the French word for "shoe") is also the source of the word "sabotage" from putting a shoe in the works. I think of this when I contemplate an FFG flight deck covered with these strange bright orange plastic banana peels after a CIWS firing. I should explain for those who don't need to worry about this that the "sabot" is a plastic cover over the CIWS projectile designed to "peel off" into four sections on firing, allowing the smaller, heavy "dart" to travel further and faster and hopefully find an incoming missile and upset it (along with a couple of hundred others)

This could make your average SD70ACe look quite a bit like a colander and fairly static after going through the engine and control equipment, but would hardly vapourise it unless you fired quite a lot of rounds.

I know the term is also used for anti tank rounds which have an armour piercing capability, and these would possibly have a more striking effect, but for vapourising, I would have thought that a five inch gun HE projectile with contact fuzing would be a simpler and cheaper option in the vapourising category.

M636C


Peter,

The misspelling was intentional, to be taken in context with another recent pointless thread. Fortunately, I've never had to rely on CIWS as being the final act of defense (or defiance [:D]), and certainly hope I don't have to either. Given the situation I'd much rather the engagement was terminated by a Standard well before then.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:21 PM
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Posted by dharmon on Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:35 PM
Gosh what do you expect from a Amtrak hatin', hypocritical rightwingnut slug.....


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:41 PM
Do you mean a right wing nut, an extreem comservative, or a right wingnut, a bolt that holds things in place?

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