QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon CP ......As an ex-gunner I ask, why, in a non-armor vs armor, urban environment would a crew have a silver bullet in the tube with minimal blast/frag capability....being a KE round, when a HEAT round would provide a better result against buildings, bunkers and personnel firing from defilade? The tankers I know wouldn't waste an expensive penetrator to punch a hole through a building when a HEAT can blow it up and collapse it on the bad guys.....
QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS Sorry Elliot, couldn't resist.
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding A similar conversation came up at our house tonight about plasma and uranium. It stopped me in my tracks, because it was my 7 year old doing the explanation![:O] Upon some discussion, it turns out his information is in reference to a Star Wars movie.[alien] It makes me wonder what your point of reference might be?[;)] "May the farce be with you Luke Skywalker" <<<my son's name is Luke! As to weather it is SABO or sabot I will have to check. But, my source is a ex-Marine tank commander. He knows his stuff. Plamsa does form on the end of our fast anti-tank round, which when fired form the M1-A1 can hit a pie plate three miles away. It is Sabot, but it is pronounced "say-bow". cpbloom......ex-Army Tank Gunner/Driver/Loader [:)] CP ......As an ex-gunner I ask, why, in a non-armor vs armor, urban environment would a crew have a silver bullet in the tube with minimal blast/frag capability....being a KE round, when a HEAT round would provide a better result against buildings, bunkers and personnel firing from defilade? The tankers I know wouldn't waste an expensive penetrator to punch a hole through a building when a HEAT can blow it up and collapse it on the bad guys.....
QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding A similar conversation came up at our house tonight about plasma and uranium. It stopped me in my tracks, because it was my 7 year old doing the explanation![:O] Upon some discussion, it turns out his information is in reference to a Star Wars movie.[alien] It makes me wonder what your point of reference might be?[;)] "May the farce be with you Luke Skywalker" <<<my son's name is Luke! As to weather it is SABO or sabot I will have to check. But, my source is a ex-Marine tank commander. He knows his stuff. Plamsa does form on the end of our fast anti-tank round, which when fired form the M1-A1 can hit a pie plate three miles away. It is Sabot, but it is pronounced "say-bow". cpbloom......ex-Army Tank Gunner/Driver/Loader [:)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding A similar conversation came up at our house tonight about plasma and uranium. It stopped me in my tracks, because it was my 7 year old doing the explanation![:O] Upon some discussion, it turns out his information is in reference to a Star Wars movie.[alien] It makes me wonder what your point of reference might be?[;)] "May the farce be with you Luke Skywalker" <<<my son's name is Luke! As to weather it is SABO or sabot I will have to check. But, my source is a ex-Marine tank commander. He knows his stuff. Plamsa does form on the end of our fast anti-tank round, which when fired form the M1-A1 can hit a pie plate three miles away.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding A similar conversation came up at our house tonight about plasma and uranium. It stopped me in my tracks, because it was my 7 year old doing the explanation![:O] Upon some discussion, it turns out his information is in reference to a Star Wars movie.[alien] It makes me wonder what your point of reference might be?[;)] "May the farce be with you Luke Skywalker" <<<my son's name is Luke!
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding A similar conversation came up at our house tonight about plasma and uranium. It stopped me in my tracks, because it was my 7 year old doing the explanation![:O] Upon some discussion, it turns out his information is in reference to a Star Wars movie.[alien] It makes me wonder what your point of reference might be?[;)] "May the farce be with you Luke Skywalker" <<<my son's name is Luke! As to weather it is SABO or sabot I will have to check. But, my source is a ex-Marine tank commander. He knows his stuff. Plamsa does form on the end of our fast anti-tank round, which when fired form the M1-A1 can hit a pie plate three miles away. This just keeps getting better all the time. This "tank commander" believes his round fire with such velocity that the friction with the air causes plasma to form at the tip. Again I have to say LMFAO.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Now if you really want to stop people you use HEP.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Leon Silverman Noise is relative. Even if the Acela made the noise of a steam engine going at the same speed, the NEC on which it travels parallels I-95 going thru Northeast Philadelphia. This highway is so noisy that the center city Philadelphia residents held up its' initial opening until sound barriers could be erected. They got what they deserved, though. The sound barriers also blocked the view of the Delaware River and replaced it with a wall. The fact is, though, unless you are in a sound boothe, there are really few outdoor areas that are totally quiet. Most modern vehicles, due to enveironment regulations, can only be heard from a distance when their horns are sounded.
QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom QUOTE: This kinda reminds me of a story from Iraq. Story goes, a M1A1 tank crew noticed an insurgent aiming a rifle at them and managed to fire a shot off . Now what happened next is . A. tank crew poopied in their pants. B. Insurgent poopied in his pants. C. insurgent ran like the coward he was. D. Tank crew returned fire with a SABO round / thus ending the problem. The answer is D. I saw the video on Military.com to comfirm this story. Moral of the story,don't be a @#%$&*# Patrick [:o)][:p]....I was an MOS 19K (M1A1 armor crewmen) when I was in the army but I was under the impression that you don't fire SABOT rounds (or any tank rounds) at personell NOT in vehicles[?][?][?]
QUOTE: This kinda reminds me of a story from Iraq. Story goes, a M1A1 tank crew noticed an insurgent aiming a rifle at them and managed to fire a shot off . Now what happened next is . A. tank crew poopied in their pants. B. Insurgent poopied in his pants. C. insurgent ran like the coward he was. D. Tank crew returned fire with a SABO round / thus ending the problem. The answer is D. I saw the video on Military.com to comfirm this story. Moral of the story,don't be a @#%$&*# Patrick
QUOTE: Originally posted by rgroeling I understand your point 100% sorry[:(]
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSXrules4eva Speaking of trains sneaking up on people. That is how many people get killed on Amtrak's high speed line, like the NEC for example. When one of those Acela units is traveling 125 mph or so your really not going to be able to hear it in time, if your walking along the tracks, it sneaks up on you and then bam, your done. Many people don't realize that, they think a train is big, and heavy it's bound to make lots of noise, sometimes it doesn't work that way.
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by rgroeling QUOTE: Originally posted by wctransfer ``If you are walking with your back to the train, you may not hear it.'' And your smoking what????? I hate it when stupid reporters ( or anyone ) pretend they know stuff about trains. Just like the BNSF story , " OMFG, IT WAS LEFT RUNNING, WE ARE GONNA DIE " Alec You are SO RIGHT- I have heard news agencies saying how trains "sneak up on people", "and catch them off gaurd."or "didn't notice" Listen Mr. Anchorman, I have been close to idling locomotives in museams, and the inside of my body was rattiling from the noise of that thing just standing there that I DIDN"T notice ANYTHIG else.... Jeez You wouldn't think a train could sneak up on you, But trust me it can. If a train is idleing downgrade in thick vegitation and you are up wind, they can be very quiet.
QUOTE: Originally posted by rgroeling QUOTE: Originally posted by wctransfer ``If you are walking with your back to the train, you may not hear it.'' And your smoking what????? I hate it when stupid reporters ( or anyone ) pretend they know stuff about trains. Just like the BNSF story , " OMFG, IT WAS LEFT RUNNING, WE ARE GONNA DIE " Alec You are SO RIGHT- I have heard news agencies saying how trains "sneak up on people", "and catch them off gaurd."or "didn't notice" Listen Mr. Anchorman, I have been close to idling locomotives in museams, and the inside of my body was rattiling from the noise of that thing just standing there that I DIDN"T notice ANYTHIG else.... Jeez
QUOTE: Originally posted by wctransfer ``If you are walking with your back to the train, you may not hear it.'' And your smoking what????? I hate it when stupid reporters ( or anyone ) pretend they know stuff about trains. Just like the BNSF story , " OMFG, IT WAS LEFT RUNNING, WE ARE GONNA DIE " Alec
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too. Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this. Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator? Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..) It is made of depleated uranium, the plasma forms because of the rounds extreemly high velocity creates friction with the air, on the tip of the round. By vacumn I mean it pulls a huge amount of air behind it, not a techinacal vacumn. Now if you really want to stop people you use HEP. I'm going to have to side with Tom on this issue.........by the way...when you start talking about munitions...and a guy says something like ...I'll talk to the guys at work...down at Picatinny....I'd stop there, when he says what I'm saying is incorrect......that would be kind of like arguing the GCOR with professional railroaders, and legal issues with lawyers.. ..oh wait..that's been done too...... Dan
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too. Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this. Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator? Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..) It is made of depleated uranium, the plasma forms because of the rounds extreemly high velocity creates friction with the air, on the tip of the round. By vacumn I mean it pulls a huge amount of air behind it, not a techinacal vacumn. Now if you really want to stop people you use HEP.
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too. Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this. Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator? Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..)
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too. Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this. Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too.
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