Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:34 AM I found this by doing a Yahoo search of Chicago Northwestern Powder River Coal http://www.delta.edu/rmmee/cnwrr.html [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,899 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05 AM The Government never "asked" the C&NW to build into the Powder River Basin. The BN was first approached by mining companies to build lines to the mines. The C&NW was approached by some utilities for coal rates from PRB to their plants. The C&NW realized the potential of the coal business and planned their own separate line into the PRB. They approached the BN about building a joint line. The BN at first refused, they didn't want the C&NW in there at all. The ICC wasn't going to approve two parallel lines and urged them to come to a joint agreement for use of a single line. This is what eventually happened. The CNWHS Summer 2004 issue of North Western Lines was devoted to the coal lines in Wyoming. Jeff Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:13 PM Thank You Jeff and spbed. That sheds some light on it for me. Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:49 PM You welcome[:D][:o)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,921 posts Posted by MP173 on Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:56 PM Dave: I thought Proviso Yard was named after being in Proviso township. Could be wrong about it tho. Local schools there are Proviso East and Proviso West...they are always basketball powerhouses. ed Reply MichaelSol Member sinceOctober 2004 3,190 posts Posted by MichaelSol on Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:06 PM From: Franzosenbush Heritage Society: "Free soil, free speech, free labor, and free men!" This historic slogan resounded throughout the nation in the 1850's. The territories acquired after the war with Mexico had raised a big issue: Slavery had been forbidden under Mexican law. What was its status under American law? Some congressman favored "Squatter Sovereignty" letting the people in each territory settle the question or themselves, but at the time, Congress was split into factions and could not agree. Pennsylvania Representative David Wilmot said, "I move money be granted only if the territory bought with it be free soil, and that slavery be forever excluded from the land." Although he was defeated, the condition he introduced -- his "Proviso" -- was heard as far away as Cook County, Illinois. About 200 inhabitants of Cook County could easily identify with the Free-Soilers because both groups were a combination of small farmers, village merchants, household and mill workers and debtors. The Free-Soilers would be absorbed by the new Republican Party in 1856. Cook County farmers cheered when an act passed in the General Assembly which allowed counties to adopt township rule in 1849. Without hesitation township organization took place and an election for officers was held on April 2, 1850. Phineas Stanton became the first moderator, and A. S. Funston, clerk for the day. Local residents felt the need for their own ordinances for a long time. Cook County had been part of Peoria County until 1831. That same year Chicago became the County Seat of Cook, but it remained difficult to reach due to poor roads. Vandalia, the state capital, was many days away. Many felt local government could best solve its local problems -- one of the biggest problems being poor roads. It was still years from the day when Marion F. Covell (a son Thomas Covell) would provide the materials for passable roads to the entire region. Fifty-two men voted on April 2, 1850, and the newly formed Township acquired a Supervisor, a Clerk, an Assessor, three Commissioners of Highways, two Constables and two Justices of the Peace. The township was named "Taylor" after General Zachary Taylor, a war hero, the current President of the United States. However, he died within a few months on July 9, 1850. Representative Wilmot's "Proviso", no doubt kept alive by the "Underground Railway" established by northern farmers who helped slaves escape from their southern masters, suggested a new name for the township. The following April, the township's name was changed from Taylor to the TOWNSHIP OF PROVISO." Interesting history. Best regards, Michael Sol Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:33 PM Yes, Proviso Township was there well before the yard. There are (or were) plenty of places in the township that carried the name as part of their titles. Portions of Proviso Yard (Yard 9, specifically) are in Leyden Township. And the western end of the yard is actually in York Township, DuPage County. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:41 PM Isn't part of in Elmhurst? If CNW had the $ to rebuild the Cowboy line would of UP Brought them up? Reply Edit fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online? Only one that I know of. It was on the Madison to LaCrosse line in Wisconsin. The tunnel was near Sparta & Elroy (somewhere in that area). The line is no longer a through route and service ends at Reedsburg. The line is now operated by Wisconsin Southern. CC There are three tunnels on the line between Elroy and Sparta. I say "are" because the "line" is still in use, as the Sparta-Elroy Bike Trail. I biked almost the entire thing about half a life ago, and there were three tunnels that I had to stop and walk through (trail rules). It was a lot of fun, and I'll have to bike it again some time! QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 The C&NW gained entry into Kansas City by aquiring the CGW. They also got rid of a competitor and gained acess to more customers. They also abandoned a lot of the CGW fairly quickly. Additionally, most of the Twin Cities-Kansas City CGW main was abandoned when C&NW won the bidding for the ex-Rock Spine Line. QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 In Illinois very little of the CGW was kept. What was kept and used by the CNW/UP is slowly fading into history. Mostly as industrial spurs, from what I have noticed in my SPV atlas. [:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by cnwrwyman It is located in Proviso township so I suppose it was named after that.I have a question about Butler Yard in Milwaukee. While the Village of Butler celebrates itself as a railroad town, the only trackage actually inside its borders consists of some very lightly-used industrial trackage, while "Butler" Yard is within the City of Milwaukee, and appears to have been within the townships of Granville and Wauwatosa. Can anyone supply any further historical information about Butler? -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:39 PM Yes, the west tip of Proviso is in Elmhurst, which is in York Township, DuPage County (as opposed to Cook County, where the rest of the yard is). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply « First«-10123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:34 AM I found this by doing a Yahoo search of Chicago Northwestern Powder River Coal http://www.delta.edu/rmmee/cnwrr.html [:o)][:p] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,899 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05 AM The Government never "asked" the C&NW to build into the Powder River Basin. The BN was first approached by mining companies to build lines to the mines. The C&NW was approached by some utilities for coal rates from PRB to their plants. The C&NW realized the potential of the coal business and planned their own separate line into the PRB. They approached the BN about building a joint line. The BN at first refused, they didn't want the C&NW in there at all. The ICC wasn't going to approve two parallel lines and urged them to come to a joint agreement for use of a single line. This is what eventually happened. The CNWHS Summer 2004 issue of North Western Lines was devoted to the coal lines in Wyoming. Jeff Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:13 PM Thank You Jeff and spbed. That sheds some light on it for me. Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:49 PM You welcome[:D][:o)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,921 posts Posted by MP173 on Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:56 PM Dave: I thought Proviso Yard was named after being in Proviso township. Could be wrong about it tho. Local schools there are Proviso East and Proviso West...they are always basketball powerhouses. ed Reply MichaelSol Member sinceOctober 2004 3,190 posts Posted by MichaelSol on Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:06 PM From: Franzosenbush Heritage Society: "Free soil, free speech, free labor, and free men!" This historic slogan resounded throughout the nation in the 1850's. The territories acquired after the war with Mexico had raised a big issue: Slavery had been forbidden under Mexican law. What was its status under American law? Some congressman favored "Squatter Sovereignty" letting the people in each territory settle the question or themselves, but at the time, Congress was split into factions and could not agree. Pennsylvania Representative David Wilmot said, "I move money be granted only if the territory bought with it be free soil, and that slavery be forever excluded from the land." Although he was defeated, the condition he introduced -- his "Proviso" -- was heard as far away as Cook County, Illinois. About 200 inhabitants of Cook County could easily identify with the Free-Soilers because both groups were a combination of small farmers, village merchants, household and mill workers and debtors. The Free-Soilers would be absorbed by the new Republican Party in 1856. Cook County farmers cheered when an act passed in the General Assembly which allowed counties to adopt township rule in 1849. Without hesitation township organization took place and an election for officers was held on April 2, 1850. Phineas Stanton became the first moderator, and A. S. Funston, clerk for the day. Local residents felt the need for their own ordinances for a long time. Cook County had been part of Peoria County until 1831. That same year Chicago became the County Seat of Cook, but it remained difficult to reach due to poor roads. Vandalia, the state capital, was many days away. Many felt local government could best solve its local problems -- one of the biggest problems being poor roads. It was still years from the day when Marion F. Covell (a son Thomas Covell) would provide the materials for passable roads to the entire region. Fifty-two men voted on April 2, 1850, and the newly formed Township acquired a Supervisor, a Clerk, an Assessor, three Commissioners of Highways, two Constables and two Justices of the Peace. The township was named "Taylor" after General Zachary Taylor, a war hero, the current President of the United States. However, he died within a few months on July 9, 1850. Representative Wilmot's "Proviso", no doubt kept alive by the "Underground Railway" established by northern farmers who helped slaves escape from their southern masters, suggested a new name for the township. The following April, the township's name was changed from Taylor to the TOWNSHIP OF PROVISO." Interesting history. Best regards, Michael Sol Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:33 PM Yes, Proviso Township was there well before the yard. There are (or were) plenty of places in the township that carried the name as part of their titles. Portions of Proviso Yard (Yard 9, specifically) are in Leyden Township. And the western end of the yard is actually in York Township, DuPage County. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:41 PM Isn't part of in Elmhurst? If CNW had the $ to rebuild the Cowboy line would of UP Brought them up? Reply Edit fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online? Only one that I know of. It was on the Madison to LaCrosse line in Wisconsin. The tunnel was near Sparta & Elroy (somewhere in that area). The line is no longer a through route and service ends at Reedsburg. The line is now operated by Wisconsin Southern. CC There are three tunnels on the line between Elroy and Sparta. I say "are" because the "line" is still in use, as the Sparta-Elroy Bike Trail. I biked almost the entire thing about half a life ago, and there were three tunnels that I had to stop and walk through (trail rules). It was a lot of fun, and I'll have to bike it again some time! QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 The C&NW gained entry into Kansas City by aquiring the CGW. They also got rid of a competitor and gained acess to more customers. They also abandoned a lot of the CGW fairly quickly. Additionally, most of the Twin Cities-Kansas City CGW main was abandoned when C&NW won the bidding for the ex-Rock Spine Line. QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 In Illinois very little of the CGW was kept. What was kept and used by the CNW/UP is slowly fading into history. Mostly as industrial spurs, from what I have noticed in my SPV atlas. [:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by cnwrwyman It is located in Proviso township so I suppose it was named after that.I have a question about Butler Yard in Milwaukee. While the Village of Butler celebrates itself as a railroad town, the only trackage actually inside its borders consists of some very lightly-used industrial trackage, while "Butler" Yard is within the City of Milwaukee, and appears to have been within the townships of Granville and Wauwatosa. Can anyone supply any further historical information about Butler? -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:39 PM Yes, the west tip of Proviso is in Elmhurst, which is in York Township, DuPage County (as opposed to Cook County, where the rest of the yard is). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply « First«-10123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by Murphy Siding Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,899 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05 AM The Government never "asked" the C&NW to build into the Powder River Basin. The BN was first approached by mining companies to build lines to the mines. The C&NW was approached by some utilities for coal rates from PRB to their plants. The C&NW realized the potential of the coal business and planned their own separate line into the PRB. They approached the BN about building a joint line. The BN at first refused, they didn't want the C&NW in there at all. The ICC wasn't going to approve two parallel lines and urged them to come to a joint agreement for use of a single line. This is what eventually happened. The CNWHS Summer 2004 issue of North Western Lines was devoted to the coal lines in Wyoming. Jeff Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:13 PM Thank You Jeff and spbed. That sheds some light on it for me. Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:49 PM You welcome[:D][:o)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,921 posts Posted by MP173 on Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:56 PM Dave: I thought Proviso Yard was named after being in Proviso township. Could be wrong about it tho. Local schools there are Proviso East and Proviso West...they are always basketball powerhouses. ed Reply MichaelSol Member sinceOctober 2004 3,190 posts Posted by MichaelSol on Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:06 PM From: Franzosenbush Heritage Society: "Free soil, free speech, free labor, and free men!" This historic slogan resounded throughout the nation in the 1850's. The territories acquired after the war with Mexico had raised a big issue: Slavery had been forbidden under Mexican law. What was its status under American law? Some congressman favored "Squatter Sovereignty" letting the people in each territory settle the question or themselves, but at the time, Congress was split into factions and could not agree. Pennsylvania Representative David Wilmot said, "I move money be granted only if the territory bought with it be free soil, and that slavery be forever excluded from the land." Although he was defeated, the condition he introduced -- his "Proviso" -- was heard as far away as Cook County, Illinois. About 200 inhabitants of Cook County could easily identify with the Free-Soilers because both groups were a combination of small farmers, village merchants, household and mill workers and debtors. The Free-Soilers would be absorbed by the new Republican Party in 1856. Cook County farmers cheered when an act passed in the General Assembly which allowed counties to adopt township rule in 1849. Without hesitation township organization took place and an election for officers was held on April 2, 1850. Phineas Stanton became the first moderator, and A. S. Funston, clerk for the day. Local residents felt the need for their own ordinances for a long time. Cook County had been part of Peoria County until 1831. That same year Chicago became the County Seat of Cook, but it remained difficult to reach due to poor roads. Vandalia, the state capital, was many days away. Many felt local government could best solve its local problems -- one of the biggest problems being poor roads. It was still years from the day when Marion F. Covell (a son Thomas Covell) would provide the materials for passable roads to the entire region. Fifty-two men voted on April 2, 1850, and the newly formed Township acquired a Supervisor, a Clerk, an Assessor, three Commissioners of Highways, two Constables and two Justices of the Peace. The township was named "Taylor" after General Zachary Taylor, a war hero, the current President of the United States. However, he died within a few months on July 9, 1850. Representative Wilmot's "Proviso", no doubt kept alive by the "Underground Railway" established by northern farmers who helped slaves escape from their southern masters, suggested a new name for the township. The following April, the township's name was changed from Taylor to the TOWNSHIP OF PROVISO." Interesting history. Best regards, Michael Sol Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:33 PM Yes, Proviso Township was there well before the yard. There are (or were) plenty of places in the township that carried the name as part of their titles. Portions of Proviso Yard (Yard 9, specifically) are in Leyden Township. And the western end of the yard is actually in York Township, DuPage County. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:41 PM Isn't part of in Elmhurst? If CNW had the $ to rebuild the Cowboy line would of UP Brought them up? Reply Edit fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online? Only one that I know of. It was on the Madison to LaCrosse line in Wisconsin. The tunnel was near Sparta & Elroy (somewhere in that area). The line is no longer a through route and service ends at Reedsburg. The line is now operated by Wisconsin Southern. CC There are three tunnels on the line between Elroy and Sparta. I say "are" because the "line" is still in use, as the Sparta-Elroy Bike Trail. I biked almost the entire thing about half a life ago, and there were three tunnels that I had to stop and walk through (trail rules). It was a lot of fun, and I'll have to bike it again some time! QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 The C&NW gained entry into Kansas City by aquiring the CGW. They also got rid of a competitor and gained acess to more customers. They also abandoned a lot of the CGW fairly quickly. Additionally, most of the Twin Cities-Kansas City CGW main was abandoned when C&NW won the bidding for the ex-Rock Spine Line. QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 In Illinois very little of the CGW was kept. What was kept and used by the CNW/UP is slowly fading into history. Mostly as industrial spurs, from what I have noticed in my SPV atlas. [:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by cnwrwyman It is located in Proviso township so I suppose it was named after that.I have a question about Butler Yard in Milwaukee. While the Village of Butler celebrates itself as a railroad town, the only trackage actually inside its borders consists of some very lightly-used industrial trackage, while "Butler" Yard is within the City of Milwaukee, and appears to have been within the townships of Granville and Wauwatosa. Can anyone supply any further historical information about Butler? -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:39 PM Yes, the west tip of Proviso is in Elmhurst, which is in York Township, DuPage County (as opposed to Cook County, where the rest of the yard is). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply « First«-10123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,899 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:05 AM The Government never "asked" the C&NW to build into the Powder River Basin. The BN was first approached by mining companies to build lines to the mines. The C&NW was approached by some utilities for coal rates from PRB to their plants. The C&NW realized the potential of the coal business and planned their own separate line into the PRB. They approached the BN about building a joint line. The BN at first refused, they didn't want the C&NW in there at all. The ICC wasn't going to approve two parallel lines and urged them to come to a joint agreement for use of a single line. This is what eventually happened. The CNWHS Summer 2004 issue of North Western Lines was devoted to the coal lines in Wyoming. Jeff Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:13 PM Thank You Jeff and spbed. That sheds some light on it for me. Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:49 PM You welcome[:D][:o)] Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,921 posts Posted by MP173 on Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:56 PM Dave: I thought Proviso Yard was named after being in Proviso township. Could be wrong about it tho. Local schools there are Proviso East and Proviso West...they are always basketball powerhouses. ed Reply MichaelSol Member sinceOctober 2004 3,190 posts Posted by MichaelSol on Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:06 PM From: Franzosenbush Heritage Society: "Free soil, free speech, free labor, and free men!" This historic slogan resounded throughout the nation in the 1850's. The territories acquired after the war with Mexico had raised a big issue: Slavery had been forbidden under Mexican law. What was its status under American law? Some congressman favored "Squatter Sovereignty" letting the people in each territory settle the question or themselves, but at the time, Congress was split into factions and could not agree. Pennsylvania Representative David Wilmot said, "I move money be granted only if the territory bought with it be free soil, and that slavery be forever excluded from the land." Although he was defeated, the condition he introduced -- his "Proviso" -- was heard as far away as Cook County, Illinois. About 200 inhabitants of Cook County could easily identify with the Free-Soilers because both groups were a combination of small farmers, village merchants, household and mill workers and debtors. The Free-Soilers would be absorbed by the new Republican Party in 1856. Cook County farmers cheered when an act passed in the General Assembly which allowed counties to adopt township rule in 1849. Without hesitation township organization took place and an election for officers was held on April 2, 1850. Phineas Stanton became the first moderator, and A. S. Funston, clerk for the day. Local residents felt the need for their own ordinances for a long time. Cook County had been part of Peoria County until 1831. That same year Chicago became the County Seat of Cook, but it remained difficult to reach due to poor roads. Vandalia, the state capital, was many days away. Many felt local government could best solve its local problems -- one of the biggest problems being poor roads. It was still years from the day when Marion F. Covell (a son Thomas Covell) would provide the materials for passable roads to the entire region. Fifty-two men voted on April 2, 1850, and the newly formed Township acquired a Supervisor, a Clerk, an Assessor, three Commissioners of Highways, two Constables and two Justices of the Peace. The township was named "Taylor" after General Zachary Taylor, a war hero, the current President of the United States. However, he died within a few months on July 9, 1850. Representative Wilmot's "Proviso", no doubt kept alive by the "Underground Railway" established by northern farmers who helped slaves escape from their southern masters, suggested a new name for the township. The following April, the township's name was changed from Taylor to the TOWNSHIP OF PROVISO." Interesting history. Best regards, Michael Sol Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:33 PM Yes, Proviso Township was there well before the yard. There are (or were) plenty of places in the township that carried the name as part of their titles. Portions of Proviso Yard (Yard 9, specifically) are in Leyden Township. And the western end of the yard is actually in York Township, DuPage County. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:41 PM Isn't part of in Elmhurst? If CNW had the $ to rebuild the Cowboy line would of UP Brought them up? Reply Edit fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online? Only one that I know of. It was on the Madison to LaCrosse line in Wisconsin. The tunnel was near Sparta & Elroy (somewhere in that area). The line is no longer a through route and service ends at Reedsburg. The line is now operated by Wisconsin Southern. CC There are three tunnels on the line between Elroy and Sparta. I say "are" because the "line" is still in use, as the Sparta-Elroy Bike Trail. I biked almost the entire thing about half a life ago, and there were three tunnels that I had to stop and walk through (trail rules). It was a lot of fun, and I'll have to bike it again some time! QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 The C&NW gained entry into Kansas City by aquiring the CGW. They also got rid of a competitor and gained acess to more customers. They also abandoned a lot of the CGW fairly quickly. Additionally, most of the Twin Cities-Kansas City CGW main was abandoned when C&NW won the bidding for the ex-Rock Spine Line. QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 In Illinois very little of the CGW was kept. What was kept and used by the CNW/UP is slowly fading into history. Mostly as industrial spurs, from what I have noticed in my SPV atlas. [:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by cnwrwyman It is located in Proviso township so I suppose it was named after that.I have a question about Butler Yard in Milwaukee. While the Village of Butler celebrates itself as a railroad town, the only trackage actually inside its borders consists of some very lightly-used industrial trackage, while "Butler" Yard is within the City of Milwaukee, and appears to have been within the townships of Granville and Wauwatosa. Can anyone supply any further historical information about Butler? -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:39 PM Yes, the west tip of Proviso is in Elmhurst, which is in York Township, DuPage County (as opposed to Cook County, where the rest of the yard is). 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Originally posted by Murphy Siding Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,921 posts Posted by MP173 on Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:56 PM Dave: I thought Proviso Yard was named after being in Proviso township. Could be wrong about it tho. Local schools there are Proviso East and Proviso West...they are always basketball powerhouses. ed Reply MichaelSol Member sinceOctober 2004 3,190 posts Posted by MichaelSol on Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:06 PM From: Franzosenbush Heritage Society: "Free soil, free speech, free labor, and free men!" This historic slogan resounded throughout the nation in the 1850's. The territories acquired after the war with Mexico had raised a big issue: Slavery had been forbidden under Mexican law. What was its status under American law? Some congressman favored "Squatter Sovereignty" letting the people in each territory settle the question or themselves, but at the time, Congress was split into factions and could not agree. Pennsylvania Representative David Wilmot said, "I move money be granted only if the territory bought with it be free soil, and that slavery be forever excluded from the land." Although he was defeated, the condition he introduced -- his "Proviso" -- was heard as far away as Cook County, Illinois. About 200 inhabitants of Cook County could easily identify with the Free-Soilers because both groups were a combination of small farmers, village merchants, household and mill workers and debtors. The Free-Soilers would be absorbed by the new Republican Party in 1856. Cook County farmers cheered when an act passed in the General Assembly which allowed counties to adopt township rule in 1849. Without hesitation township organization took place and an election for officers was held on April 2, 1850. Phineas Stanton became the first moderator, and A. S. Funston, clerk for the day. Local residents felt the need for their own ordinances for a long time. Cook County had been part of Peoria County until 1831. That same year Chicago became the County Seat of Cook, but it remained difficult to reach due to poor roads. Vandalia, the state capital, was many days away. Many felt local government could best solve its local problems -- one of the biggest problems being poor roads. It was still years from the day when Marion F. Covell (a son Thomas Covell) would provide the materials for passable roads to the entire region. Fifty-two men voted on April 2, 1850, and the newly formed Township acquired a Supervisor, a Clerk, an Assessor, three Commissioners of Highways, two Constables and two Justices of the Peace. The township was named "Taylor" after General Zachary Taylor, a war hero, the current President of the United States. However, he died within a few months on July 9, 1850. Representative Wilmot's "Proviso", no doubt kept alive by the "Underground Railway" established by northern farmers who helped slaves escape from their southern masters, suggested a new name for the township. The following April, the township's name was changed from Taylor to the TOWNSHIP OF PROVISO." Interesting history. Best regards, Michael Sol Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:33 PM Yes, Proviso Township was there well before the yard. There are (or were) plenty of places in the township that carried the name as part of their titles. Portions of Proviso Yard (Yard 9, specifically) are in Leyden Township. And the western end of the yard is actually in York Township, DuPage County. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:41 PM Isn't part of in Elmhurst? If CNW had the $ to rebuild the Cowboy line would of UP Brought them up? Reply Edit fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Sunday, January 15, 2006 1:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online? Only one that I know of. It was on the Madison to LaCrosse line in Wisconsin. The tunnel was near Sparta & Elroy (somewhere in that area). The line is no longer a through route and service ends at Reedsburg. The line is now operated by Wisconsin Southern. CC There are three tunnels on the line between Elroy and Sparta. I say "are" because the "line" is still in use, as the Sparta-Elroy Bike Trail. I biked almost the entire thing about half a life ago, and there were three tunnels that I had to stop and walk through (trail rules). It was a lot of fun, and I'll have to bike it again some time! QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 The C&NW gained entry into Kansas City by aquiring the CGW. They also got rid of a competitor and gained acess to more customers. They also abandoned a lot of the CGW fairly quickly. Additionally, most of the Twin Cities-Kansas City CGW main was abandoned when C&NW won the bidding for the ex-Rock Spine Line. QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 In Illinois very little of the CGW was kept. What was kept and used by the CNW/UP is slowly fading into history. Mostly as industrial spurs, from what I have noticed in my SPV atlas. [:(] QUOTE: Originally posted by cnwrwyman It is located in Proviso township so I suppose it was named after that.I have a question about Butler Yard in Milwaukee. While the Village of Butler celebrates itself as a railroad town, the only trackage actually inside its borders consists of some very lightly-used industrial trackage, while "Butler" Yard is within the City of Milwaukee, and appears to have been within the townships of Granville and Wauwatosa. Can anyone supply any further historical information about Butler? -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:39 PM Yes, the west tip of Proviso is in Elmhurst, which is in York Township, DuPage County (as opposed to Cook County, where the rest of the yard is). Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply « First«-10123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online? Only one that I know of. It was on the Madison to LaCrosse line in Wisconsin. The tunnel was near Sparta & Elroy (somewhere in that area). The line is no longer a through route and service ends at Reedsburg. The line is now operated by Wisconsin Southern. CC
QUOTE: By: Murphy Siding: Did CNW have any tunnels online?
QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 The C&NW gained entry into Kansas City by aquiring the CGW. They also got rid of a competitor and gained acess to more customers. They also abandoned a lot of the CGW fairly quickly.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Chris30 In Illinois very little of the CGW was kept. What was kept and used by the CNW/UP is slowly fading into history.
QUOTE: Originally posted by cnwrwyman It is located in Proviso township so I suppose it was named after that.
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