GT26CW

[Anonymous]

I can see this GM design has been exported to many countreys from Peru to Korea,
but is this an export only locomotive, or did EMD make those for US market too?

[adrianspeeder]

Never heard of it. Do you have pics?

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

well since you never heard of it, it must be an export-only design.

I'll see what I can find about those pictures

[Anonymous]

I have some pictures on my hard but I can't remember the site where I downloaded from, so I uploaded them on my space

here it is:

http://free-os.t-com.hr/redmist/2063-007-ab01.jpg

The same locomotive is used in many countreys, like Israel, Peru, Argentina, Korea, I think even Iran

The entire design is GM but it is manufactured locally.

It doesn't look like any of the american GM's, so it doesn't have a US-only double.
There are some other export locomotives that do have US doubles, I guess this one doesn't

[nanaimo73]

EMD, formerly GMD, in London, Ontario, Canada has always had separate model designations for domestics (Canada, USA and Mexico) and exports (everywhere else).

[adrianspeeder]

Nope nothin like that over here. Prolly shares prime movers and electrical gear with somthing though. Do you have any specs?

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

yea, I do

year 1972,
3300Hp, 113 metric tons, 80mph, Co-Co, 20.7m long.

[Anonymous]

Here is another shot of it

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/2063/blue/2063-007-ab08.jpg

one on the other side:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/2063/blue/2063-007-acf-02.jpg


a closer look at those trucks

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/2063/blue/2063-007-ab05.jpg

a more realistic length perspective:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/2063/blue/HZ_2063_006_Cakovec.jpg

and a cab view

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/2063/cab/2063-007-ab16.jpg

[mudchicken]

EMD had an all white unit running in circles at AAR/TTC in Pueblo last year. Saw it leave for points east on a flatcar with the trucks on a separate flatcar. (have photos of the unit and the builders plate at Avondale, CO somewhere)

[Anonymous]

The B end has a tunnel motor effect to it, are there tunnels on the line they run? Also the AC unit on the roof looks like an RV unit AC we see here on motorhomes.

[Anonymous]

are you talking about the engine I posted or the engine that mudchicken is talking about?

If you are asking about this one, I don't know for sure where this engine is being run, but since this is a small country it is likely that it has been run all over the country and there are tunels on the line. But the mountain part of the country is all electrified with AC, so they might be running freight with electrics in that part , I'm not sure.

[M636C]

This locomotive shares its main equipment with the SD40T-2 but is smaller and lighter to suit European conditions.

The model code breaks down as

G = General Purpose (Export)
T = Turbocharged

26 = 16 + 10: 16 means 16 cylinder, +10 means 645 engine

C = C-C wheel arrangement

W = wide gauge traction motors (ie D77, same as US domestic units)

A U in this position would mean narrow gauge motors, D29 or D43. These locomotives are also built for gauges as small as one metrw and as big as 5'6"

These have a 16-645E3 engine rated at 3300 HP gross, 3000 HP input to generator and an AR10 alternator. They are generally equivalent to an SD-40, Dash 2 electrics were introduced later in export units. The "tunnel motor" layout is standard for export units as it permits a lower profile to meet limited clearances.

In Australia, GT26CW units were built as SD-40 style locomotives with rooftop fans because the clearances were slightly greater than in Europe, but only a few were built (35).

M636C

[Anonymous]

great info!! I didn't realize there were only few of these.

and as for the size, yea, the extra 25cm would really stick out in Europe
[:D]

[Anonymous]

Here is one that looks a bit more like SD40 with the nose and all.

http://www.lolkebijlsma.com/661-415.jpg
http://www.lolkebijlsma.com/JZ_661-404_Klonos.jpg

this one was actually built in Canada, and not here, not sure which model is it

[adrianspeeder]

Thats a "normal" cab. Nose is different than anything over here.

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianspeeder

Thats a "normal" cab. Nose is different than anything over here.

Adrianspeeder

I know that the long nose is the normal version.
But all our engines have short noses, so from my viewpoint SD40-2 has a long nose

[M636C]

I have the details of EMD and GMD locomotives supplied to the former Jugoslavia, and now operating in Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia.

Class 661 are G16CW, with a 1950/1800 HP 16-567C or 567E engine

Most G16 had high noses, but late ones had the long low nose like 661-415
These are equivalent to an SD9 in the USA.

Class 663 are GT26CW with a 3300/3000 HP 16-645E3 engine, equivalent to an SD40

Class 664 are G26CW with a 2200/2000 HP 16-645E engine, equivalent to an SD38

Class 644 are G22U6 with a 1650/1500HP 12-645E, equivalent to a GP15-1 (but with A1A-A1A trucks).

Class 645 are GT22HW with a 2475/2300 HP 12-645E3, equivalent to a GP39, but fitted with A1A-A1A trucks and train HEP supply.

Class 666 are JT22CW with a 2475/2300 HP 12-645E3, equivalent to an SD39, but fitted with a double end cowl body (originally for President Tito's special train).

All the code letters are as used as in my previous post with 22 meaning 12+10, a twelve cylinder 645 engine, T for turbocharged, J for a full width body, W for large motors, U for small motors, H for HEP supply.

M636C

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Good sites to check out for more about export designs:
http://emdexport.railfan.net/
http://alcoworld.railfan.net/
http://www.locopage.net./ge.htm
Try this for Australian loco designs
http://locopage.railpage.org.au/

There's a lot of interesting designs running around out there beyond North America. India, with its WDM2's(broad gauge) and YDM4's(meter gauge), is the Alco capital of the world. Australian power is similar to but distinct from North America, with three different gauges to add variety. Most export designs look different but give away their North American influence.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

I have the details of EMD and GMD locomotives supplied to the former Jugoslavia, and now operating in Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia.

Class 661 are G16CW, with a 1950/1800 HP 16-567C or 567E engine

Most G16 had high noses, but late ones had the long low nose like 661-415
These are equivalent to an SD9 in the USA.

Class 663 are GT26CW with a 3300/3000 HP 16-645E3 engine, equivalent to an SD40

Class 664 are G26CW with a 2200/2000 HP 16-645E engine, equivalent to an SD38

Class 644 are G22U6 with a 1650/1500HP 12-645E, equivalent to a GP15-1 (but with A1A-A1A trucks).

Class 645 are GT22HW with a 2475/2300 HP 12-645E3, equivalent to a GP39, but fitted with A1A-A1A trucks and train HEP supply.

Class 666 are JT22CW with a 2475/2300 HP 12-645E3, equivalent to an SD39, but fitted with a double end cowl body (originally for President Tito's special train).

All the code letters are as used as in my previous post with 22 meaning 12+10, a twelve cylinder 645 engine, T for turbocharged, J for a full width body, W for large motors, U for small motors, H for HEP supply.

M636C

The engines got new class numbers after JŽ (Jugoslavense željeznice or Yugoslavenian railroads) got separated into HŽ, SŽ etc.

anyway, how do you know so much about this?

[M636C]

I was just quoting the EMD official list, which gives the models and and the original owners and their numbers. I thought only Slovenia changed all the numbers so they looked like Austrian numbers.

M636C

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

I was just quoting the EMD official list, which gives the models and and the original owners and their numbers. I thought only Slovenia changed all the numbers so they looked like Austrian numbers.

M636C

Croatia changed them too. I think Serbia kept the old ones, but I'm not sure

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

For those who are not familiar with the difference between domestic and export designs, see the attached lash-up on the meter gauge America Latina Logistica in Brazil, two retrucked C30-7's (ex-ATSF and BN) bracket a G22U.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=116426

[adrianspeeder]

Thats pretty funny lookin.

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

You are comparing the wrong models there. M636C gave you the right list of models to compare. This isn't even a EMD locomotive, it's GE

[M636C]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

I was just quoting the EMD official list, which gives the models and and the original owners and their numbers. I thought only Slovenia changed all the numbers so they looked like Austrian numbers.

M636C

Croatia changed them too. I think Serbia kept the old ones, but I'm not sure

What are the new Croatian classes for the locomotives I listed?

M636C

[M636C]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

For those who are not familiar with the difference between domestic and export designs, see the attached lash-up on the meter gauge America Latina Logistica in Brazil, two retrucked C30-7's (ex-ATSF and BN) bracket a G22U.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=116426

It looks like the C-30-7s still have six axles, unlike the CVRD units rebuilt to BB-BB, Has Henry M Posner III increased the weight of rail on the ALL in Brazil?

This sight was always possible on the broad gauge in Brazil, where both domestic and export type units were used from new.

In Australia, and in Europe, the clearances are about half way between the two sets of clearances illustrated. There is a locomotive shortage in Australia, and although some track can take the axle loads of US locomotives there would be at least some modification required to fit the clearances. The GE radiator "wings" would be a problem in Australia (outside the mining roads), but you might fit an SD40-2 with low profile fans and minimum size wheels, and horns on the side of the hood. For general use, the ballast in the frame would have to be cut out to keep the weight down.

The height comparison is the same with EMD and GE export units. The export unit illustrated is turbocharged, and they only build six axle units of that type. It is probably a GT22CU.

M636C

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Peter is right, ALL has been busy improving clearances and presumably has also upgraded the track to handle the heavier weights. The same upgrade may also be happening on FCA, as some of the DDM45's now operate there and they are also operating second-hand power from the United States retrucked as B-B-B-B (FCA is also meter gauge).

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

I was just quoting the EMD official list, which gives the models and and the original owners and their numbers. I thought only Slovenia changed all the numbers so they looked like Austrian numbers.

M636C

Croatia changed them too. I think Serbia kept the old ones, but I'm not sure

What are the new Croatian classes for the locomotives I listed?

M636C

664 is now 2062, only one left in my town, others in use in other parts of the country. It's nicknamed "James"

661 is now 2061, today only two remained in use in Croatia. Nicknamed "Kenedy"

663 is now 2063, used in mountain parts for extra pull, Its named "Karavela" (caravelle) because it's the longest diesel in Croatia

645 is now 2044, it's the most common diesel locomotive where I live, I think it doesn't have a nickname

666 is not used in Croatia, I think there were only few of these, used for the personal train of Josip Broz Tito, the "blue train"

I think 644 is not used anymore in Croatia, I'm not sure If it was used in the past, and if yes what was it's number. I'll have to check that. If it was used, I'll let you know

Then there is series 2043, which is modified 661/2061
New cab, new nose, lightened up a bit. Six of them were modified like this in 90's

[M636C]

I must have confused the Croatian renumbering for the one in Slovenia. Those Croatian numbers are basically like the numbers used in Austria! Slovenia has Italian style electric locomotives, maybe they have Italian numbers now?

Thanks for that!

M636C

[Anonymous]

I just checked on the local trail forum, I was right 644 is now used only in Serbia, Croatia didn't use it after separation.

I really don't know about Slovenia electrics, but I assume they have Croatian electrics because that is what all of Yugoslavia used.
Croatian "Kon#269;ar electroindustry" makes electric locomotives, some original design, some Italian style, and they are great for local territory. Some are even an overkill for our conditions (like 461-200 class with 6900hp)

http://www.koncar-ellok.hr/