QUOTE: Originally posted by BentnoseWillie QUOTE: And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. Uh - aren't he and the majorities of both houses all Republicans...?
QUOTE: And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Put the calculators away. When I ordered my hybrid, I wasn't looking to "save money on gasoline" because I believe the price will keep going up (with some downward fits that last a few months). What I wanted to do with my beloved hybrid is buy LESS gasoline than I do now so that someway, someday, the oil companies won't run our lives like they do now. As soon as Florida's first ethanol plant (under construction) is up and running, I'll be blending it in my hybrid to even LESS gasoline.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Put the calculators away. When I ordered my hybrid, I wasn't looking to "save money on gasoline" because I believe the price will keep going up (with some downward fits that last a few months). What I wanted to do with my beloved hybrid is buy LESS gasoline than I do now so that someway, someday, the oil companies won't run our lives like they do now. As soon as Florida's first ethanol plant (under construction) is up and running, I'll be blending it in my hybrid to even LESS gasoline. Will you be comfortable burning ethanol made from food stuff when you know there are starving people in the world?
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QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75
QUOTE: Originally posted by Tharmeni Don: The Florida plant is going to process the stalks from sugar cane, so I doubt it is of any use as a foodstuff. Last night I took delivery on my Hybrid Honda Civic. Averaged 48 mpg on the way home from the dealership. Read routing on it and it came into San Diego, traveled by rail to Jacksonville (apparently just before Katrina hit) and then rerouted (also via rail) to Tampa. Before anyone gets on me about buying "Japanese" -- I had two choices in replacing my old SUV - buy Japanese and get state-of-the-art hybrid technology or buy Ford and get last-generation hybrid technology (purchased from Toyota). With a Ford hybrid, I would purchase a lot more Middle Eastern oil over the life of the car. Where are the GM and Chrysler hybrids? Toyota and Honda have long waits for hybrids. Now GM announces a new line of full-size SUVs for 2006, but no hybrids. I just don't get it.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TharmeniWhere are the GM and Chrysler hybrids? Toyota and Honda have long waits for hybrids. Now GM announces a new line of full-size SUVs for 2006, but no hybrids. I just don't get it.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget?
Originally posted by Lotus098 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zapp Member sinceAugust 2003 From: weatherford,Tx 367 posts Posted by zapp on Friday, September 16, 2005 9:46 AM Negative! Just because they find it doesn't mean there will be a glut on the market. They are not going to cut their own throats by flooding the market. It would simply guarantee a supply/source. Saying it would lower gas prices is being simplistic.QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget? Sorry, I know economics, that will drop the price of oil by putting a glut on the market. Very simple. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Friday, September 16, 2005 11:36 AM An interesting list: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html Saudi Arabia has 1/4 of the proven reserves. Doubt they'll be dry in 7-10 years. But the big surprise to me was who was in 2nd place! -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Friday, September 16, 2005 11:56 AM Where's all that oil going? http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2174.html US uses 1/4 of all the oil consumed All of the EU (which has more people than the US, uses 75% of what the US uses. (hmmm. Do tax policies that discourage oil consumption acutally work?) China uses 1/4 of what US uses (for 4x the people) India uses 1/2 of what China uses. -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, September 16, 2005 5:31 PM .....Well gas price is lowering, but slowly.....Today, Muncie: 2.78 Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 16, 2005 6:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zapp Negative! Just because they find it doesn't mean there will be a glut on the market. They are not going to cut their own throats by flooding the market. It would simply guarantee a supply/source. Saying it would lower gas prices is being simplistic.QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget? Sorry, I know economics, that will drop the price of oil by putting a glut on the market. Very simple. I only takes a very small amount to glut the market. The oil compaies relize that selling more oil makes more money. Supply and demand this increases supply, that drops the price. Reply Edit Tharmeni Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Southwestern Florida 501 posts Posted by Tharmeni on Friday, September 16, 2005 7:18 PM oltmannd - not sure what you mean by a "mild" hybrid. Reply 7h9h_ Member sinceMarch 2005 From: in canada B.C. 49 posts Posted by 7h9h_ on Friday, September 16, 2005 7:44 PM at my home it is $1.20 a Liter (i live in canada) [br]i want to make a running model of theStevenson's Rocket but first I need the blue prints (the full scale) Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Saturday, September 17, 2005 1:21 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd An interesting list: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html Saudi Arabia has 1/4 of the proven reserves. Doubt they'll be dry in 7-10 years. But the big surprise to me was who was in 2nd place! We are # 2, but it is mostly heavy oil trapped in the Alberta Tar sands. It is very expensive to refine and billions of dollars are being spent to get more. Dale Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, September 17, 2005 7:51 AM ...Friends just returned to Florida and witnessed their lowest price of gas in Georgia...{so what else is new...}, at 2.65. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 17, 2005 1:48 PM point 1 there is a " doe-eia "crude oil price prognosis for the next time with 2 decades forward view: oficial price increase per annum 1,1%(the barrel price will stay in a 35$/bbl range. that is the "sandmann-view". then we have to remark the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce world report #53 with a nice crude oil price stimulation:50$,60$,70$ and for 2010 the 100$/bbl average. oldmannd is right;we all -worldwide- have to consume less 10% for the next five years. 10% of the total crude oil consume,not only transportation, so everybody will decides for his-/her-self,with his/her personal behaviour, about the market price and how much money more they/we have to spent. sandmann or #53 ! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:26 PM how to save the life-style ? 1.synfuel (FT-KOGASIN-process:coal/NG 2 liquid)) 2.bio-/wastefuel ( can be max. 20% alternative/substitution,under natural conditions- with GEN-OM-Design i do not know the limit ) 3.water2fuel: f.e. envirofuel,ZA or aquafuel (Paul Day,GB) 4.ROCKFUEL (Hanna Awad,Libanon) probably only with PLASMA-reformer (~ GEET) 5.hydrogen on demand system (gp2000.com,a taiwan webpage describes a water splitting cristal, effect similar chemalloy . Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 17, 2005 5:58 PM how to converse a conventional car to a 250mpg hybrid in DIY manner or as basic/secondary/high school workshop model(l): take this plans from the patentarchiv, de 4332378 kurt fritzsche hybrid-engine us 4038348 harry kompanek ultra sonic engine conversion : -50% ??? de 3713905 peter rust e-motor/generator-drive : -50% ??? combinate this : 3lt.-50%=1,5lt.-50%=0,75lt. probably + proepowersystems recuperator + us 4131171 john keyes flywheel concept so total fuel need -theoretical- <0,5lt./100 km ergo a little over 250mpg, but also nice is the idea of somebody called holger zeissler : the cyclotron-car de19522794 really easy to construct,in memoriam of the us 4318449-inventor, quantenphysician . Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 17, 2005 8:21 PM say what? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:43 PM lomero.com rqriley prismz Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 18, 2005 12:48 PM pardon,loremo.com Reply Edit Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:25 PM I welcome the higher gas prices because what will happen is that eventually, people will smarten up and quit their complaicent attitude and revolt and demand alternative fuels. This will in turn either force the oil companies to lower their prices and the governments to lower taxes or it will start a surge in bio-fuels, mass-transit and other methods to get rid of the world's dependancies on fossil fuels. It's not as if we are running out, we have more oil in the world than we know what to do with; it is simply a money-grab that will be the oil corporatation's undoing. Andrew Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:41 PM the crude oil price is quoted in "$" ,"dollar" language metamorphose of"thaler", S=silver/silber II =pari(this sign also to find by Yen,British Liberty Pound (Sterling) and in many other currency BLOCKED EXPRESSION. Karls-/or Silberthaler as "global" accepted standard currency -then our ancients changed to the Goldstandard. There is a pari-definition of GOLD and a BUSHel wheat, and there is a (Gregory) King(´S) Rule,also the "Paretto Pyramid", and last but not least a casino-tool called Roulette, a mechanical emotion voltage indicator, invented during the Mazarin/Richelieu " ABSOLUTISMUS" government by the Marquis de Laplace. So we got the neuronal fuzzy-logic system also called Monte Carlo Process. Is this all important ? Go back (virtual !!!) to the eightees- analyse with the King`s rule the savings&loan bank system disaster. Definition 1: money is a . a non corrosive metal or b. an et(h)ernal value with global acceptance and ever "mobile". Definition 2: money is never a. a (paper-)bill/note or b. a plasic-card, this are credits/avals, -in the real/barter economy-without global acceptance. the logic of the GOLDEN BANK RULE :who pays with credit can not receive honor !!! to think about oil and the price is also to think about the U:S/global society evolution and the physical sezession trends inside families/groups/organisations/estates and beginning with ourself-inside us. Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:53 PM Wow! that conjures up images of Max Headroom![(-D] Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply « First«3456789 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget? Sorry, I know economics, that will drop the price of oil by putting a glut on the market. Very simple.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by zapp Negative! Just because they find it doesn't mean there will be a glut on the market. They are not going to cut their own throats by flooding the market. It would simply guarantee a supply/source. Saying it would lower gas prices is being simplistic.QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr I'm ready for the gas because we have to have it so why complain about. And why blaim the President all of the time I mean he really can't do anything without CONGRESS. ICMR MY$2.75 That's because the opposite of PROgress is Congress. Add to that Bush's "Energy Bill" that gives big tax incentives to oil companies to look for oil, while Exxon posted the largest profit last quarter for ANY company in history. Just what they need, more tax incentives to look for oil so they can make more money. Guess who gets to make up the difference so they can balance the Federal Budget? Sorry, I know economics, that will drop the price of oil by putting a glut on the market. Very simple.
QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd An interesting list: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html Saudi Arabia has 1/4 of the proven reserves. Doubt they'll be dry in 7-10 years. But the big surprise to me was who was in 2nd place!
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