QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar Lotus98....."The recession Clinton caused"....! Talk about someone smoking.....The responsibility has long ago passed along to the present adminstration for the economy....Are you sure Jimmy Carter didn't help too....I would rather not bring these kinds of politics into it and won't any farther but just had to voice a bit of opinion on that....I believe his {Clinton's}, decade did mighty fine for the economy. Of course we're loosing {good}, high paying heavy industry jobs, along with many appliance manufactures moving out and the list goes on...and the figures showing new jobs gained contain many, many low paying replacement jobs that no one could make a decent living with them.....Some of that can be blamed on both political parties.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098 Not true! The recession had already started when Clinton left office and the media openly lied while he was in office. It wasn't as great as they said, now thanks to the Republicans in congress it didn’t get to far down hill. Now thanks to Bush we are well above were Clinton’s economy was. James[C):-)]
Quentin
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...so you take comfort in what you believe and I'll do the same...Neither will change the other...
TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3.
Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:14 AM ....$10 to 15 dollars for a gal of gasoline....!! What are you wishing on a great portion of working people in this country......In other words, ration to working folks and discount it to commerical business....We need some solutions, but not that direction. Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:42 AM You know the head of the Venezula govenment who is a follower of Castro is on record as saying that Americans can easily afford $3.00 gas Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eastside Member sinceMarch 2001 From: New York City 805 posts Posted by eastside on Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:05 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. Mark: According to ABC it's going for as low as 5¢/gal. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=1047673 You're getting ripped-off! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. There is always this big complaint in this country about high gas prices. I wounder why. This country consumes way too much oil. Their is plenty of oil,just not enough refineries to convert the oil to gas. People burn way too much oil as it is. And if you think that the high price of gas has got you all hot over the collar? Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Anyway...... The price of oil has come down to about 6% so far. If something where to happen to one of the refineres in this country you can expect prices to sky rocket even higher than they are now. Someone on the fox news channel has said that the refineres have been pushed to their limits. Drivers are burning 10 times more fuel than the refineres can produce......and that is very Dangerous. The ONLY way to try to keep prices down in this country is that drivers must learn to CUT BACK on their driving habbits. In which won't happen. Now as for the price of gas. Gas prices need to go as high as somewhere's of $10.00 to $15.00 a gallon to force people to cut back. But in the mean time give the Trucking company's and the Railroads a price cut so that our goods will be delivered to the stores on a timely manner. I hate to say this but......American drivers are to blame for the rising price of gas in this country. The more you burn gas the more it takes to restore it which costs ten times as much more. I hope for the better in this country that American drivers will try to cut back. But only time will tell. Allan. No it is not the drivers it is the environmentalist who won't let us build refineries. Reply Edit oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:36 AM What nonsense. It's pure economics that drive how many and what type of refineries we have. The consolidation of the oil industry was based in part on getting rid of excess refinery capacity. It pays them ZERO to own more than they need. And, with a product that has a highly inelastic demand curve, occasional, slight shortage situations suits them well. Environmentalists and NIMBYs only have some sway or where refineries are built, not IF they can be built. -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply petitnj Member sinceOctober 2001 From: US 591 posts Posted by petitnj on Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:53 PM Best thing that could happen to the US is to get gas prices above $4/gallon. We then will start to look seriously at mass transit and alternative modes. Local energy sources will be sought and we can get off the middle east teton. If we keep energy prices low we will just delay the inevitable and make the changes more painful later on. This run up in oil will change the balance of costs between the heavily subsidised trucks and the railroads. It will also make folks think seriously about living 50 miles from work. Watch the transit systems spring up now! Reply rf16a Member sinceMarch 2002 From: USA 165 posts Posted by rf16a on Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:54 PM A few suggestions. We need to explore for more domestic sources of oil. If there is the potential for another source of oil in Alaska, drill for it. If it's off the coast of California or the Gulf of Mexico, drill for it. Lets find and use the resources we have. Build more refineries to process fuel. Use more nuclear power. Reply Train Guy 3 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Anywhere there are trains 578 posts Posted by Train Guy 3 on Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [br Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Allan. Heating oil...one thing I'm gald I don't have to worry about. Nothing beats a good old wood stove in the dead of winter. Wood stove is easy to maintain and the fuel is pretty cheap if you cut your own wood. TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd What nonsense. It's pure economics that drive how many and what type of refineries we have. The consolidation of the oil industry was based in part on getting rid of excess refinery capacity. It pays them ZERO to own more than they need. And, with a product that has a highly inelastic demand curve, occasional, slight shortage situations suits them well. Environmentalists and NIMBYs only have some sway or where refineries are built, not IF they can be built. The higher the price of gas gets the more profitable it is to build a new refinery, the higher the demand the more you can make. It is regulations that keep companies from building them; I think someone would have tried to build one to make money in the last 25 years. Nuclear power is very clean, nuclear waste is really a myth we know how to get rid of it; we even have reactors that use the waste from the first reactor. Of course the environmentalist weenies won't let us build any of them either. Imagine being able to run cities for months on a piece of fuel the size of a large marble. No wait that makes too much sense. James[C):-)] Reply Edit oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Friday, August 19, 2005 11:20 AM Don't think the oil industry has been standing around doing nothing for 25 years. They've been closing the smaller, less flexible refineries while adding flexibility and capacity to the others. If refining capc'y was the limiting factor in gasoline supply, the cost of crude would be dropping as gasoline costs rise. That cost of crude has gone up in lock step with gasoline tells you where the problem lies! There may not be enough RESERVE refining capacity to make us happy, but that's a whole different ball game. Owing reserve capacity rarely produces a decent rate of return for the investor. Also, breeder reactors notwithstanding, nuclear waste IS a big deal. The *** stuff has a horrendously long half-life! That's why the flap over Yucca mtn. (which seems to be a good idea, despite the debate). But, the cost may be worth the risk. Any time you trivialize the thoughts of other intelligent people you're just inviting them to do the same to you. -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 3:52 PM It looks like crude is up again to $65.35 up $2.08 today. Allan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 4:03 PM Little Rock area 2.71 for Premium it works out to $40.00 for 15 gallons so far. I fully expect this to gas to break 3.00 here by end of year. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 4:24 PM Gas just went up 5c per litre 1.20 per litre for Premium . 5.40 per gallon cnd = 4.30 usd $ 150 to fill up this week Reply Edit Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, August 19, 2005 6:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed West Palm Beach FL $2.64.9 PG as of 0700 today. [:o)] Originally posted by Modelcar Crystal River FL Racetrac $2.56 as of 10 am, as of 7 am it was $2.57 . . . "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply 1234567»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eastside Member sinceMarch 2001 From: New York City 805 posts Posted by eastside on Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:05 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here. Mark: According to ABC it's going for as low as 5¢/gal. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=1047673 You're getting ripped-off! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:23 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. There is always this big complaint in this country about high gas prices. I wounder why. This country consumes way too much oil. Their is plenty of oil,just not enough refineries to convert the oil to gas. People burn way too much oil as it is. And if you think that the high price of gas has got you all hot over the collar? Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Anyway...... The price of oil has come down to about 6% so far. If something where to happen to one of the refineres in this country you can expect prices to sky rocket even higher than they are now. Someone on the fox news channel has said that the refineres have been pushed to their limits. Drivers are burning 10 times more fuel than the refineres can produce......and that is very Dangerous. The ONLY way to try to keep prices down in this country is that drivers must learn to CUT BACK on their driving habbits. In which won't happen. Now as for the price of gas. Gas prices need to go as high as somewhere's of $10.00 to $15.00 a gallon to force people to cut back. But in the mean time give the Trucking company's and the Railroads a price cut so that our goods will be delivered to the stores on a timely manner. I hate to say this but......American drivers are to blame for the rising price of gas in this country. The more you burn gas the more it takes to restore it which costs ten times as much more. I hope for the better in this country that American drivers will try to cut back. But only time will tell. Allan. No it is not the drivers it is the environmentalist who won't let us build refineries. Reply Edit oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:36 AM What nonsense. It's pure economics that drive how many and what type of refineries we have. The consolidation of the oil industry was based in part on getting rid of excess refinery capacity. It pays them ZERO to own more than they need. And, with a product that has a highly inelastic demand curve, occasional, slight shortage situations suits them well. Environmentalists and NIMBYs only have some sway or where refineries are built, not IF they can be built. -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply petitnj Member sinceOctober 2001 From: US 591 posts Posted by petitnj on Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:53 PM Best thing that could happen to the US is to get gas prices above $4/gallon. We then will start to look seriously at mass transit and alternative modes. Local energy sources will be sought and we can get off the middle east teton. If we keep energy prices low we will just delay the inevitable and make the changes more painful later on. This run up in oil will change the balance of costs between the heavily subsidised trucks and the railroads. It will also make folks think seriously about living 50 miles from work. Watch the transit systems spring up now! Reply rf16a Member sinceMarch 2002 From: USA 165 posts Posted by rf16a on Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:54 PM A few suggestions. We need to explore for more domestic sources of oil. If there is the potential for another source of oil in Alaska, drill for it. If it's off the coast of California or the Gulf of Mexico, drill for it. Lets find and use the resources we have. Build more refineries to process fuel. Use more nuclear power. Reply Train Guy 3 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Anywhere there are trains 578 posts Posted by Train Guy 3 on Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [br Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Allan. Heating oil...one thing I'm gald I don't have to worry about. Nothing beats a good old wood stove in the dead of winter. Wood stove is easy to maintain and the fuel is pretty cheap if you cut your own wood. TG3 LOOK ! LISTEN ! LIVE ! Remember the 3. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd What nonsense. It's pure economics that drive how many and what type of refineries we have. The consolidation of the oil industry was based in part on getting rid of excess refinery capacity. It pays them ZERO to own more than they need. And, with a product that has a highly inelastic demand curve, occasional, slight shortage situations suits them well. Environmentalists and NIMBYs only have some sway or where refineries are built, not IF they can be built. The higher the price of gas gets the more profitable it is to build a new refinery, the higher the demand the more you can make. It is regulations that keep companies from building them; I think someone would have tried to build one to make money in the last 25 years. Nuclear power is very clean, nuclear waste is really a myth we know how to get rid of it; we even have reactors that use the waste from the first reactor. Of course the environmentalist weenies won't let us build any of them either. Imagine being able to run cities for months on a piece of fuel the size of a large marble. No wait that makes too much sense. James[C):-)] Reply Edit oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Friday, August 19, 2005 11:20 AM Don't think the oil industry has been standing around doing nothing for 25 years. They've been closing the smaller, less flexible refineries while adding flexibility and capacity to the others. If refining capc'y was the limiting factor in gasoline supply, the cost of crude would be dropping as gasoline costs rise. That cost of crude has gone up in lock step with gasoline tells you where the problem lies! There may not be enough RESERVE refining capacity to make us happy, but that's a whole different ball game. Owing reserve capacity rarely produces a decent rate of return for the investor. Also, breeder reactors notwithstanding, nuclear waste IS a big deal. The *** stuff has a horrendously long half-life! That's why the flap over Yucca mtn. (which seems to be a good idea, despite the debate). But, the cost may be worth the risk. Any time you trivialize the thoughts of other intelligent people you're just inviting them to do the same to you. -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 3:52 PM It looks like crude is up again to $65.35 up $2.08 today. Allan. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 4:03 PM Little Rock area 2.71 for Premium it works out to $40.00 for 15 gallons so far. I fully expect this to gas to break 3.00 here by end of year. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 4:24 PM Gas just went up 5c per litre 1.20 per litre for Premium . 5.40 per gallon cnd = 4.30 usd $ 150 to fill up this week Reply Edit Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Friday, August 19, 2005 6:56 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed West Palm Beach FL $2.64.9 PG as of 0700 today. [:o)] Originally posted by Modelcar Crystal River FL Racetrac $2.56 as of 10 am, as of 7 am it was $2.57 . . . "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply 1234567»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mark_W._Hemphill $3.00 a gallon! Heck, it's only 8 cents a gallon here.
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. There is always this big complaint in this country about high gas prices. I wounder why. This country consumes way too much oil. Their is plenty of oil,just not enough refineries to convert the oil to gas. People burn way too much oil as it is. And if you think that the high price of gas has got you all hot over the collar? Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Anyway...... The price of oil has come down to about 6% so far. If something where to happen to one of the refineres in this country you can expect prices to sky rocket even higher than they are now. Someone on the fox news channel has said that the refineres have been pushed to their limits. Drivers are burning 10 times more fuel than the refineres can produce......and that is very Dangerous. The ONLY way to try to keep prices down in this country is that drivers must learn to CUT BACK on their driving habbits. In which won't happen. Now as for the price of gas. Gas prices need to go as high as somewhere's of $10.00 to $15.00 a gallon to force people to cut back. But in the mean time give the Trucking company's and the Railroads a price cut so that our goods will be delivered to the stores on a timely manner. I hate to say this but......American drivers are to blame for the rising price of gas in this country. The more you burn gas the more it takes to restore it which costs ten times as much more. I hope for the better in this country that American drivers will try to cut back. But only time will tell. Allan.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [br Just wait till winter rolls in. Home heating oil is going through the roof this year. And so is natural gas. Those two alone are going to make for a very bad year in heating bills alone. Allan.
QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd What nonsense. It's pure economics that drive how many and what type of refineries we have. The consolidation of the oil industry was based in part on getting rid of excess refinery capacity. It pays them ZERO to own more than they need. And, with a product that has a highly inelastic demand curve, occasional, slight shortage situations suits them well. Environmentalists and NIMBYs only have some sway or where refineries are built, not IF they can be built.
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed West Palm Beach FL $2.64.9 PG as of 0700 today. [:o)] Originally posted by Modelcar Crystal River FL Racetrac $2.56 as of 10 am, as of 7 am it was $2.57 . . . "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply 1234567»Last » Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Modelcar
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