War of the Worlds

[Murphy Siding]

jeaton-not only that,it would blow up three different times, from three different camera angles, in slow motion!

[jeaton]

On the other hand, if it had been left to the Hollywood SX guys, the tanks would have blown up throwing the locomotive several hundred feet in the air with it crashing back on the ground upside down and disappearing in a BLEM.

Jay

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by GP-9_Man11786

First off, the train was on the West side of the Hudson, on the CSX River Line, passenger trains haven't run on it since 1959. Second, wouldn't the locomotive's fuel tank have exploded from the heat?

no it wouldnt explode...fuel oil is not as volital as say gasoline... it would burn....unless the locomotive hit something to couse the fuel tanks to "spray" fuel into a mist..then it would couse an explotion by a heat sorce igniting the fuel mist...this was shown in test footage on in england on making safer fuel tanks for locomotives on some train wreck show on the history channel..the discovery channgel or TLC..i cant remember what channel it was... it the fuel mist from a cra***hat makes an explotion... the fuel will just burn otherwise...
csx engineer

[GP-9_Man11786]

First off, the train was on the West side of the Hudson, on the CSX River Line, passenger trains haven't run on it since 1959. Second, wouldn't the locomotive's fuel tank have exploded from the heat?

[Gluefinger]

Looked like a Metro-North P42DC to me.......

[trainster1073]

naterich89 you're right. I was creeped out by the train. It was just like you said.[V]

Dustin

[trainster1073]

QUOTE: Originally posted by naterich89


**a note of caution** I was deeply disturbed by this scene, and I want to make sure it is impossible.

I'm going to see it in an hour, I don't know if I want to see that scene now. [V]

Dustin

[Anonymous]

A Tom Cruise movie that is unrealistic and contains impossibly violent scenes?

Oh, NOOOOOoooo!

But at least they used an Amtrak trainset, and not remnants from "The Canadian" which would probably have been the case if the film came out of British Columbia.

But Tom, say it isn't soooooOOO!

Sarcasm Central
a/k/a Allen

[espeefoamer]

I was already debating on whether to see this movie, but after learning of the burning train scene, I've got to see it[:)]!

[jeaton]

Reform School Girls?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by anb740

The train in question appeared to be one of the Talgo sets used in the Pacific Northwest...the unit on the head end was an F59PHI. Exactly why they used this train for a scene set in New Jersey is yet another of example of Hollywood not knowing a thing about trains!

I knew it was an EMD![:p] Only EMD's have rumble and GE's sound like "ssdshdgsajsdjfsgsjgfjsgsddsdsdsadsa"

[anb740]

The train in question appeared to be one of the Talgo sets used in the Pacific Northwest...the unit on the head end was an F59PHI. Exactly why they used this train for a scene set in New Jersey is yet another of example of Hollywood not knowing a thing about trains!

[alcodave]

I thought it was a very good summer fun movie.The train scene was pretty cool.And I liked the way the military was represented in a positive manner in this movie unlike in the 1950's version.

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

You guys do know that this is make believe, don't you?

it is? maybe in your universe..lol
csx engineer

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

There are two issues here, can a locomotive keep running while the
locomotive and train is on fire and can a train keep going if the crew is
gone/has been vaporized?


Second part. Being a passenger engine it is probably equipped with an
"alertor" and "deadman" pedal that will stop the train if there is no crew
on the train. Some, but not all, freight engines are also equipped with
deadman's pedals and alertors.



Dave H.

Most loco's nowadays have a deadmans pedal in the cab or you dont even really need a pedal all you need to do is when the alarm goes on, quick tap the bell on and off.

the dead mans pedal is a thing of the past... although thier are a few units out thier that still have them...most are gone..replaced by the electronic alerter systems...
csx engineer

[coborn35]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dehusman

There are two issues here, can a locomotive keep running while the
locomotive and train is on fire and can a train keep going if the crew is
gone/has been vaporized?


Second part. Being a passenger engine it is probably equipped with an
"alertor" and "deadman" pedal that will stop the train if there is no crew
on the train. Some, but not all, freight engines are also equipped with
deadman's pedals and alertors.



Dave H.

Most loco's nowadays have a deadmans pedal in the cab or you dont even really need a pedal all you need to do is when the alarm goes on, quick tap the bell on and off.

[ericsp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

You guys do know that this is make believe, don't you?

Oops, I guess I should not have shot that water tower.

[Murphy Siding]

You guys do know that this is make believe, don't you?

[Anonymous]

three words guys - Drivers Vigilance Device. given that the train hadn't JUST been hit (within 30 secs- 1 minute), then at 80 or so MPH it could be plausible that at that speed, it would appear to have no martians in that area, but just up the road....
I havn't seen the movie, but the description of the scene sounds like thew video intro to the WotW PC game i got bout 5 years ago. based on the Musical adaptation, there is a shot of a Great Western express running through the darkness, the people in the carriages, the crew (all very well done) and then there is a tripod standing over the tracks and it proceeds to destroy the train. The loco boiler blows up, followed by the first 3 carriages with the rest derailing. I can only guess the gas lighting causes the carriages to blow up.
I too would like to see a true version of the novel done, but remain content to watch to 1953 version. they did it with Time Machine, twice!

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TrainFreak409

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

blaaaa.... another hollywood remake of a classic that they screwed up.....what is up with hollywood...have they finaly run out of ideas? and have to do remakes? and worse yet..totaly screw them up? someone wake me up when hollywood makes good movies agin....
csx engineer

The original movie, although good, was a screw up itself. The book portrayed the monsters as tripods, not hovering saucer-like things.

in the original movie..they where tripods... insted of haveing mechanical legs like the H.G. Wells book...they had magnetic legs that worked agisnt the earths gravity.... if you go back and watch the original movie... then the war craft are starting to rise from the crater...it shows it.. with the explination i just mentioned above..or at least something long the same lines...
csx engineer

[CSXrules4eva]

I though War of the Worlds was a darn good movie. I've never heard of it until this remake care out. I heard that HG Wells did the original and it was broadcased over the radio in the 1930s or something like that. I was also told that five people in New York commited suicided because they thought it was real since they tuned in in the middle of the broadcast. Interesting. Anyway in terms of seeing that rushing Amtrak on fire, I was pissed at that. Because, here is a perfictly good train with locomotive and cars that could of been given to me. lol j/k.
I liked the movie because it was a SCFI movie that was very serious, it wasn't funny or stupid like some of these horror movies made today. I also thought it had a good plot. Suprisingly for me I liked it. I usually don't tend to like those Mars Attacks, Star Wars, Star Treak, Godzilla, or Andaconda movies too much. I think they're stupid, but that's just my opinion.

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Railroading_Brit

I'd rather have seen a good adaptation of the original - H G Wells original setting and characters, directed by someone willing to stick to the source and not ruin it. The Jeff Wayne musical version is pretty close to the original and is also rather good - I was amused to see it climbing back up the album charts recently as I've had a copy for a few years now!

I think I may be able to say where the "flaming train" scene came from - anyone who's read the original will remember the last minutes of the Ironclad "Thunderchild" which rammed a tripod despite being hit by a heat ray and heavily damaged.

Good observation! ...though it would have been more effective if it then plowed fullspeed into a Tripod leg, knocking it over.
And I agree, Why Oh WHY cant someone, anyone, BBC?, make a faithfull adaptation of the novel, 100 years + and no ones has ever done it!

[Anonymous]

I'd rather have seen a good adaptation of the original - H G Wells original setting and characters, directed by someone willing to stick to the source and not ruin it. The Jeff Wayne musical version is pretty close to the original and is also rather good - I was amused to see it climbing back up the album charts recently as I've had a copy for a few years now!

I think I may be able to say where the "flaming train" scene came from - anyone who's read the original will remember the last minutes of the Ironclad "Thunderchild" which rammed a tripod despite being hit by a heat ray and heavily damaged.

[mudchicken]

If a P42 was on fire, the carbody would have melted pronto![:D]

(Arvada, Co fire department learned that a few years ago, including the fireman who fell through the roof of the worthless GE that burned!)

[edblysard]

I think easter has expanded a little too much!

Ed

[Anonymous]

That's what i like about this forum,. We can start on one subject & expand to diferent horizons. I luv it! Easter

[Anonymous]

That's what i like about this forum,. We can start on one subject & expand to diferent horizons. I luv it! Easter

[Anonymous]

That's what i like about this forum,. We can start on one subject & expand to diferent horizons. I luv it! Easter

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TrainFreak409



The original movie, although good, was a screw up itself. The book portrayed the monsters as tripods, not hovering saucer-like things.

Watch it again, the Martians ARE using Tripods!

The movie was set in 1953, time of Flying Saucers and Soviet Angst. George Pal wanted to update the Martians based on scientific ideas then in circulation, they came up with the idea of magnetic flux levitation via 3 emitters under the craft, you can see the legs flickering in the mist as they move early on. In the book the Heat Ray is housed inside the body of the machine and a parabolic mirror mounted on an armiture to direct it, in the movie the udpated it to the fearsome looking Cobrahead ray emitter, and Pal dispensed with the Black Smoke canisters in favor of the green Skeleton Beam emitters on each end of the Manta bodied war machine. Overall they did an outstanding job for the era's technological limits to portray an unstoppable foe.

As for Lil' Stevie's movie, OK I liked alot of parts, like the train scene which was timed perfectly ..."Nothing bad's happened here yet" the war machines looked very good, the action was tenser than expected, the effects flawless, But....

(WARNING alot of SPOILERS here!)

TOO MANY HOLES! If they aliens left machines here a million years ago why didnt they conquer the earth a million years ago? Armed Mastadon resistance?

I really hated the fact the Speilburg STOLE entire scenes and lines from the 1953 movie,
..."Once they start moving, no more news comes out of there" the basement scene right down to axing the electronic eye, and the arm coming out of the machine at the end.

Also I REALLY HATED that Speilburgs aliens looked EXACTLY like the aliens from "Independance Day" ...Did anyone else notice that? Where were the blood sucking octopus's from Well's novel? they would have been FAR scarier than those lame***aliens. Even the cyclopes martians from the '53 flick were far scarier looking.

[Anonymous]

Thank you!

After all, if we were being attacked like that, the train would probably be low on my list too. It was just the way it WAS on fire and out of control that just got to me.

thanks again